The King except HE WON. Losers always make execuses. "Well Lebron only lost 6 finals because he doesnt have 4 all stars bla bla" He lost. Period. Couldn't getting it done. Couldnt close. Even with Kyrie and Love he only 1
Well, he's breaking down why HE doesn't think Kobe is in the conversation, because most people do. I certainly think Kobe belongs in the conversation. But Nick isn't wrong in his thinking when he puts down the facts. Kobe has had a lot of bad games.
Nick: "And of course Kobe, who has no business in the discussion..." Stephen J: "Wow" I bet he wanted to punch him in the mouth right then and there. lol
Haha. Watching this, even I wanted to punch him. Never heard of this guy named Nick. No idea who this clown is. He's either high on something or needs a thorough psych evaluation, likely both.
So Nick results to bringing up MJ's and Kobe's bad games to prove that it was ok for LeBron to give up. Then goes on to say that Kobe is not in the GOAT discussion but you are using him as an example. Nick be quiet. You are contradicting yourself.
Safeena Choud they always compare MJ and LeBron on this show. What's up with bringing Kobe in it? He needs to do his normal comparisons since he feels like Kobe isn't in the GOAT discussion. You are contradicting yourself for cosigning with him.
Sevey Lee I'm telling you, step Jax face said it all. Swear this dude gonna say for a long time at that. Kobe closer and Tim Duncan too. 5-6 for Timmy D and 5-7 for Kobe. Smh disrespect is real
DRAMAFLS PRODUCTION that’s all he can do. That’s all his arguments ever are 😂 he’s the definition of a bum. He’s the guy that goes looking for the scary sound in the night.
He was literally the only player to average over 20 points. Kevin love was the only other player in double figures. He didn't have enough help to beat the warriors.
Cslling him inferior to lbj and mj is not an insult.....its just the truth and the truth is kryptonite to the legion of kobetards who continue to highly overrate their inefficient hero
Kobe Bryant made made it to the “Big Game” the NBA Finals from 2008-2010 (lost one, won 2 back to back), LBJ failed to do so (even with the motivation of being swept in the finals prior in 2007). Both players were in their prime (even though LBJ had the advantage with his physicality). The common denominators were that Kobe Bryant won playoff series against teams that knocked LBJ out of the Playoffs. If you speaking facts and statics, why are these facts neglected by Nick Wright. My point is that both players are different and Great in they’re own right, but why does Nick Wright need to tear someone’s legacy down to build another’s? Jordan was the Blueprint, Kobe continued & LBJ was the future... which is the present. Kobe & MJ is the comparison because they’re very similar... Why isn’t LBJ compared with Magic?.... #foodforthought #hatingismorePRIMEtimethanTRUTH STATS don’t measure heart❤️
@@jermainemccloud6918 LeBron is 4-6 in the finals and has been swept twice, and gentlemen's swept twice. Surely that has to disqualify him from being in the GOAT debate too?
Trey Parlin kobe kills lebron. Bron is an actress bro. Has little heart. He is a better all around player, but kobe is a killer, can't say that about lebron.
Kenneth Erickson Well then Bill Russell is the unanimous GOAT. Way better than that poser named Jordan who got bounced out of the first round like a bum.
@@shreyaschoubey8538 Jordan is a Poser? 8th seed Jordan Led Bulls losing in the Playoffs against eventual '86 Champions Larry Bird with 3 HOF led Celtics is better than Prime Lebron led SUPERTEAM MIAMI with Prime WADE and Bosh plus HOF Allen DEFEATED by 37-year-old TIM DUNCAN with 36-year-old MANU as a teammate. No HOF teammate Jordan led Bulls being swept in the playoffs is better than Role player Jason Terry defeating a Prime Lebron led Superteam Miami with Prime Wade and Bosh. Nobody OWNED JORDAN in the FINALS. LEBRON was the WHIPPING BOY of Tim Duncan. Duncan swept Lebron in 2007. Defeated him in 2014. 3/3 if not for the Ray Allen 3 "because Lebron chokes in the Finals". Lebron is the GOAT POSER and PRETENDER.
lol it gets frustrating hearing the disrespect... but for his style of play thats low key dead in todays game and have 3-4 season ending injuries and a vetoed trade that would've gave kobe more longevity he made the best out of his career
He bashes Kobe to try to get LeBron a free pass past being compared to Kobe cause he knows that if that conversation is had LeBron might not even get passed 3rd place.
Me too man. This idiot probably hasn't touched a ball before a day in his life and have the audacity to speak reckless about the great Kobe Bryant aka Black Mamba, aka 2 greatest player to ever play the game, GOAT 2.
BRUH. THIS IS THE MONDAY AFTER THE WARRIORS WERE CROWNED THE 2018 CHAMPIONS AND FOX SPORTS IS SHOVING LEBRON TOPICS DOWN OUR THROATS.. WTH. THIS IS SAD... SHOW THEM THE RESPECT THEY DESERVE. BCUZ IF LEBRON WON THESE FINALS WE WOULD HEAR ABOUT HIS IMPOSSIBLE RUN TO GREATNESS ALL MF'N SUMMER. SMH.
That's adorable but since you want to the noble fox sports representative congrats to u LOL.. But i am assuming you are smart enough to understand my point about a Major broadcast station barely covering a NBA championship team. But ok.
you know the reason why. Nick is sad that LeBron lost again in the finals.... at the end there I almost thought he was going to cry because no one wants to be on his side of the fence on the LeBron is the GOAT subject lol
I think that the biggest difference between MJ/kobe vs LeBron is that during game prep and game practices, they focused on perfection and pushed their teammates harder more than other teams so that when game time started, their teams were ready to play. So the few times MJ or Kobe had a bad game their teams pick up the slack; MJ preparing more than Kobe as we saw the Laker playoff drought before gasol got there. LeBron pushes his teammates but they feed off of him as a ball distributor (with plays drawn up for him to do so) so when he has a bad game, his teammates couldn't function without him.
@@franknice187 lebron needs 2 all-stars to win. Kobe just needs 1. Kobe has won more titles with less help in a much stronger conference. Lebron struggled to get 3 with teams built specifically around him with good talent
Kobe was great but he can't carry a team like LeBron. Also there has already been a 6-6 great isolation player with all time great killer mentality that is Michael jeffery Jordan who is a way better kobe and MJ nor lebron had a teammate near the skill of shaq you can bring up 2011 for LeBron but kobe had melt downs as well.
@@zoomdoof6107 idk about you, but I saw Kobe carry two sub-par Lakers teams to the playoffs in 06 and 07 in a much tougher conference. And ironically, in 2011 LeBron was beaten by the only man in a long time, besides Kawhi last year, that can say he carried his team to a championship.
@@megaslice23 Dirk didn't "carry" his team to a Championship. He had other role player who were extremely important and the load Dirk carried in 2011 is nowhere close to what LeBron carried in 2012, 2013, 2015 finals, LeBron 2016 finals, and LeBron in the 2017 finals and the whole 2018 playoffs. Just because you have another all star on your team does not mean your load is any lighter - Dirk had a way deeper Mavs team than LeBron ever had. LeBron and Wade combined to carry close to 2 third of the load in the 2012 playoffs, especially when Chris Bosh went out with injury. Dirk had a great run but he his 28 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, and subpar defense aren't anywhere close to so many other playoff runs. Dirk wasn't very good in most of the 2011 finals games. And Kawhi only carried Toronto in the series vs Philly... and he still had Siakam averaging 19 in that series. Every other series Kawhi had a lot of help. But Kawhi's run is significantly better than Dirk because of Kawhi's defense compared to Dirk's mediocre impact on that end of the floor. Dirk 2011 playoff run ain't even an all time playoff run. You can't have an all time playoff run if another player (Wade) was much better than you in the finals and if you didn't contribute in any massive way besides scoring, and that was still at only 28 points which is below average among the all time playoff runs. Dirk had 3.7 win shares in that postseason in 21 games. LeBron had 5.8 win shares in 23 games in the 2012 postseason, 5.2 win shares in in 23 games in the 2013 postseason, 4.7 win shares in 21 games in the 2016 postseason - and one of the best defensive performances in any finals regardless of position, 4.3 win shares in just 18 games in the 2017 playoffs, and he had the best individual postseason since MJ in '91 - regardless of winning the title - in the 2018 playoffs, where LeBron amassed 5.2 win shares in just 22 games - and he had 49% of his team's win shares - 5.2 out of 10.6 - which is the largest percentage by far of any player to ever make the finals. The load LeBron carried in the 2018 playoffs is the biggest load any player who has made the finals has ever carried since the NBA merger. Dirk's playoff run is hella overrated because everyone - KD, Russ, Kobe and the whole Lakers team, and LeBron all had to play trash for Dirk to win. Honestly, I give Dirk a ton of credit. But I see 4 - 5 players who play at the same level Dirk did in the 2011 playoffs every year in the postseason. Last year Durant before he got injured, Jokic, Steph, James Harden, and Giannis all played at the same or higher level as Dirk. Dirk was very clutch in 2011, but an all time great postseason is one where you actually play at a level that you don't see often - like Dirk in 2006, who was way better than Dirk in the 2011 playoffs, but 2006 Dirk simply couldn't close the deal in the 2006 finals. Instead of LeBron choking Dirk was the one who choked after game 2 in the 2006 finals - although it wasn't as bad as LeBron's choke. I've never seen anyone play at the level LeBron did in the 2018 playoffs cuz I wasn't alive to see MJ. And, Kobe had three teammates averaging double digits in the series against the Suns in 2006 - compared LeBron having one in the two series vs the Pacers and Celtics in 2018. If you put 2018 LeBron on the Lakers in 2006 they would've beat the Suns and the Clippers and likely lost in 6 or 7 games in the conference finals to the Mavs. Of course LeBron can do more with less - he's proven it. As good as Kobe is, his best postseason - 2009 - is still worse than LeBron's postseasons in 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017 and 2018, and arguably worse than LeBron in 2009, but LeBron faced two mediocre teams in the first two rounds in 2009.
Lebron got Swept once in the finals and he was carryin hard fatigue hit him hard bruh. And yh in 2007 samething. Cleveland front office is an embarrassment bruh u got a player who single handly get u to the finals but put no pieces around him especially in 2007 that that like his 4 th year and he got his trash team to the finals. Only Dwight can relate. Maybe Hakeem but he had decent team
ryanestabrooke12 You're right and Jordan had 11 assists, 8 boards, 2 blks & 2 stls in game 3 against the '93 Knicks. If his shot was bad on a particular night, he would still find other ways to contribute more and also get points from the free throw line. Nick "Wrong" has no idea what's he's talking about.
Devlin M. Bron went 2-2in Miami with the most stacked roster in the league ....had a stacked roster in Cleveland for that championship team as well . Kobe won just one other star and role players ... same as mj
Devlin M. The teams Kobe had without shaq were not stacked. LeBron has no competition in the east. All the teams he played in the east would not make it out of the first round with the exception of Boston who most likely lose in the second had they played in the west. Just stop
when someone speaks facts you guys say he is disrespectful, i'm a Lakers fan and though it hurt everything Nick Wright said was absolute FACTS. Kobe is nothing close to Lebron and the "mamba mentality" is kind of a farce. Lebron is better in every statistical category except FT%.
But the thing is my G Lebron gets u to having the game on the line without him there is no contest. Honestly look at the team Lebron brought to the finals? They had 0 and i mean Zero business in the finals. They had 0 business getting past the eastern semis but Lebron is the key to all that. Honestly i will take Lebron on my team anyday over both Jordan and especially Kobe.
It frustrates me to no end when analysts like Nick Wright spit out half stats to try and prove a point. In that 1993 Series against the Knicks when the Bulls were down 0 - 2, Mike went 3 for 18 because the Bulls blew them out. His jump shot was off combined with how the Knicks were guarding him. Don't bring up that he stayed aggressive while he was in the game and went to the freethrow line 17 times. He was 16 of 17 from the freethrow line. Mike NEVER stopped being aggressive and attacking. Same with the Orlando game, it was a blowout. Nobody will ever complain about Lebron shooting 13 times when his team is hot and they're blowing a team out.
LuisTH-cam so you missed the entire part where Jordan shot 17 free throws lol so even if he made 3 shots of 18 he had over 20. Everybody has a weak shooting performance. But what were Jordan’s rebounds assists steals blocks and turnovers looking like compared to Lebrons? Same with Kobe? How often did they get to the foul line and make buckets. Y’all let this mane spout off 1 stat like it’s golden and ignore everything else. Meanwhile he’ll say well Lebron might have shot 0 for 4 from the 3 and finished 3 for 18 but he had 7 assists and 12 rebounds and 10 for 10 from the foul and 6 blocks and 4 steals and blah blah blah.
LuisTH-cam also they would have no chance because Lebron can’t get to the line and when he does he can’t shoot. And he isn’t playing defense, nobody told him to play the point.
Okay so Jordan was 3-18 and 16-17 ft. 22 points. Cavs still couldn't win a playoff game if LeBron played that badly. He legit needed to score close to or over 40 for them to even be in games lol. Also, don't bring up rebounds and assists, coz LeBron beats Jordan in those.
All Nick Wright is bringing up is stats. Kobe and Jordan's IMPACT on the court was more than their stats.. that's why they won even when they had bad games.. not because they had some incredible supporting cast
Jermaine exactly. That fool doesn't understand the eye test. It's like having Randy Moss running go routes. He's not getting the ball everytime but you scared he might so you double him. Nick wants to marry Bron
That's the main disconnect between media/stats guys and players. Stats nerds are so smart but don't realize *you can't compare stats accumulated under different conditions*. That's a basic rule of statistics.
All Team San Diego. 30-52 making the playoffs...same year MJ missed 64 games, good one Smalls. There were 23 teams in the league back then, 16 made the playoffs. You could make the playoffs with a bad record. And the East was the Beast back then. The lowly Bulls had to play the best teams in the league 6 times a year. The Celtics, Pistons, Hawks, Bucks, etc. You dumb bro.
Raymond Vankenie Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg and most missed shots all time and 3x sidekick for first 3 Rings Kobe Bryant is not in the Goat conversation 😂 To be in goat conversation you have to be best player at yo position Michael Jordan 🐐Goat and best SG ever To be in goat conversation you have to be best player to ever play for yo franchise Both Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Magic Johnson better players than Kobe Bryant
GurrenAce facts. No one ever talks about how kobe had to take over games when shaq fouled out and couldn't hit free throws. Or even whe. He hit the important shots to win the game
The disrespect to Kobe is astounding. Nick looks at the numbers, but when Lebron is stat padding, the numbers will always look inflated. I never saw Kobe or Jordan throw tantrums the way Lebron does.
You are mostly right. Best player Lebron played this year was a rookie. In 2001 playoffs alone, Kobe and the Lakers had to beat Shawn Kemp, Rasheed Wallace, Scottie Pippen, Mike Bibby, Vlade Divac, Tim Duncan, David Robinson in the West playoffs. Kobe averaged 22, 7, 6 at 82% from the line. And the Lakers swept ALL of them before going 4-1 against Allen Iverson's Sixers. 2010 alone...Kobe had to go through Kevin Durant, James Harden, Serge Ibaka, Westbrook, Barbosa, Grant Hill, Channing Frye, Goran Dragic, before beating the big three in Boston -> Paul Pierece, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo.
so what more should lebron have done they all saying the same thing and Stephen Jackson dont think lebron is the goat just like they saying when it come to lebron the scrutiny will always be worse than any other player
@@SmokeRichBiggs They are forced to play in the Lebron system. In game 3 Hood was ballin but they quit giving him the ball because the lebron system is not made to let role players have good games.
@@controversialmann5345 was lakers really as impressive as their fans want to believe. They beat the clippers, Celtics, and Boston but yall erases how they played against those teams earlier in the season. The clippers would have beat the lakers in the postseason
Numbers rarely tell the whole story. I get Nick's point but the reason Jordan only went 5-14 is because the Bulls blew out the Magic. I think the point Stacks was making was about Bron not going out on his sword and just checking out of games. And the Kobe game 7 disrespect is crazy. Kobe went to the free throw line a ton that game against the same Boston Celtics that held Bron to 15 points in one game in that playoffs. That was one of the most defensive game 7's ever. And he did it with a messed up finger and sprained ankle. Crazy how the media tears down one player to big another one up. Brons post season run this year was legendary.
that should say even more ! they blew out another team when jordan was having an bad night imagine the cavs blowing out the celtics or pacers this playoffs and lebron shoots 5-14 XD
A Tribe Called Quest Cavs can't do anything without LeBron because they barely practice. Nobody has a defined role. They all just have to play off of LeBron. LeBron basically does what he wants and everyone else just needs to try to keep up with him. Also If LeBron is having a hard time on offense he checks out defensively as well.
rodneyford8 Kobe went for the ride with Shaq and Phil. Shaq at least got to a finals and the other time he went. Kobe played 12 years without Phil Jackson
rodneyford8 yea bc Jordan n Kobe DID NOT HAVE PLAY ALL TIME GREAT TEAMS EVERY YEAR, IN FINALS.. AND IF BRON HAD THE REAL SHAQ, How many Rings would he have? Kyrie and Wade were always Hurt w Bron except 2011(Wade was Healthy) and 2016 (Kyrie was Healthy/ helped Bron Win a Ring)
darkskin you say Kobe played 12 years w/o Phil right? Could u tell the people at Home lol, how many Rings or MVPS or Playoff Series did Kobe Win w/o Phil Jackson? The Answer is 0 Rings 0 MVPS and 4 Playoff Series Wins in 12 Tries with No Phil equals 33% Winning Percentage aka NOT GOOD.. Bt Bron WON RINGS with Rookie Coaches/Barely experienced Coaches and Won COUNTLESS PLAYOFF SERIES w/ Terrible Coaching.. Bron is wayyyyyy better than Kobe, B. #Bron2ndBestEver
Kalvin Baber calm down buddy, LeBron isn’t paying you to defend him or be his fan boy. Titles are titles all that other nonsense is irrelevant. And if you think the bulls or the lakers didn’t face great teams every year you either starting watching basketball yesterday or don’t know much about the sport. Have a good day sir
rodneyford8 bruh, the 97 98 Jazz had 1 dominant player (Stockon couldn't guard anyone and was solid on offense, not great tho) compared to the Bulls 3 in Jordan Pip and Rodman for Rebs n Defense.. and the Lakers played 2 good teams in Finals in Kobe 7 years in Finals.. 04 Pistons Kobe Lost and 08 Celtics Kobe Lost lol.. Kobe won rings vs inferior competition like 09 magic lol, 02 Nets lol 2000 Pacers lol.. c Mon . Did Kobe play anybody as good as 16 Warriors 17 Warriors 18 Warriors? No... what bout 07 Spurs 14 Spurs? Stop it slime..#Bron2ndEver
I'm so sick of Nick Wright..get him off TV please already..so u Gon down play MJ n Kobe because LeBron failed.like Jones (Lebron)ain't been playing in the weak East conference..n u think MJ n Kobe couldn't get pass Oladipo.. Toronto sec round..n Boston Rookies conference finals..u a lie..Kobe has been playing the hard West..OKC had three superstars..Spurs had three allstars.. Houston had Mcgrady n Yao..Steve Francis.. Sacramento Webber..Bibby..Phoenix had Nash n Stoudimire. N came out the west with 5 rings..2 without Shaq..beat Boston big 4 and Dwight Howard..all when LeBron couldn't..n he is not on the Goat list..N Magic.. Shaq.. Kareem are on the Goat list..n Kobe career was better than theirs..all them got sweep..in the finals..But MJ n Kobe haven't..3 on the all time pts list..2 finals MVPs..3 or 4 scoring titles.. multiple allstar Champion..slam dunk champion.. league MVP..second in the most 40 pts games in a row..81 pts comeback win..n a 60 pts retirement game..has scored over 40 pts or more on every team in the NBA.. and he not on the Goat list..the devil is a lair..sounds like to me..If 1.MJ the Goat..2.Kobe next in line..then 3.Kareem..then 4.Magic..5.Shaq.6.Wilt .7.Russell.8.Durant 9.Steph..10.Duncan..11.Lebron..12.Bird..13.Hakeem..14..Oscar..15..Pippen.16.Wade
"kobe and jordan couldnt have got this cavs team to the finals" yeah cause beating oladipo, the pathetic raptors and a celtics team without their 2 best players sounds oh so hard.
Kijana Evans I remember watching the Suns come back on Kobe Lakers 3-1 down in the 1st round he choked that series away and didnt bother showing up in game 7. I saw him get bounced by the same team the next season 4-1 should of been a sweep, Kobe wouldn't of dragged this roster past the Raptors maybe the Pacers but not too the finals. When Kobe doesn't have certain talent around him he can't win.
davidcici11Evolution we talking eastern vs western conference here .. an 8th seed in the West is equivalent to a 3rd or 4th seed in the east .. competition was definitely different ... that suns team was title contenders
Maurice Moon back then yes, but now the East is no doubt a weaker and inferior conference but back in that time an 8th seed could sniff the playoffs with a 42 or 43 record, that is the equivalent of an 8th seed in the East now. The East back then had 2 teams maybe 2.5 now the East has 4 quality teams so it is much more balance now. The difference is LeBron would of made it too the playoffs and at least the second round if not the Western Conference finals with that same Laker team that Kobe couldn't do anything with, because LeBron has been dragging bum teams for years during his first stint in Cleveland and during the last two seasons.
Argument mute look at kobe team those three years... They got smush off the street and the biggest bust in NBA history at center. That team is worst in the league without Kobe in the west compared to the east... So just stop.
Getting you Triggered cool, well you go head and enjoy getting eliminated in da 1st rnd or just not making the playoffs when u cant get any good free agents... I'll pick lebron and never know how it feels to get eliminated in the 1st round
I think this is more on Lebron's attitude towards the game. Your team mates feed of your energy and presence and when you lose your confidence and give up, your whole team gives up. Kobe and Jordan no matter what never gave up even on their bad shooting nights, they look for ways to help their team. In the finals against Celtics Kobe played amazing defense and grabbed 15 rebounds, which is helping out your team and never giving up even on your bad shooting night.
Kobe's not in the discussion for the GOAT are you kidding me. When Magic retried without Kobe the Lakers would have never won another championship. Kobe won five championships from 2000 to 2010 including a threepeat cmon man.
talking about the 3 peat obviously mate. You stating him winning a 3 peat without context can make it seem like the man was single handedly great between that time period
Kobe won 2 rings with Pau Gasol. Everyone talkin' like Kevin Love is a scrub. Back when he was still with the wolves he was a legitimate MVP candidate. Simply put: Kobe made Pau better but Lebron made Klove worse.
What I'm saying is if Lebron was put in Kobe's shoes he would not have won those titles with the lakers. Kobe pushed Pau to his absolutely limit whereas Lebron wouldve turned him into a scrub.
who said anything about Shaq? Ofc Lebron wouldve won a ring with him, but not with Pau, Bynum etc. Lol at even including Bynum. What has he done since that run with Kobe? Nothing. Come to think of it, Pau has done nothing since Kobe as well. Look what Kyrie has done without Lebron? MVP Candidate lol. Face it, Lebron just makes his team mates worse.
X Kobe that is a lie that Laker roster that won back to back titles was way superior, Pau impact on the game is far greater than that of Love and the collection of pieces is far superior.
I disagree Strongly with that statement. Wats the difference between a coach never playing and Nick? You'll praise players for awards that the media determine. I think people hate the Truth
Malik Davis because media is mostly opinion and favouritism and coaches are living the game every day. Also name a coach from college to NBA that has not played to a certain level where they can actually know the game.
Adz B dude players will tell you there’s plenty of nba players that don’t “know” the game. Not everyone has the god given talent to play high level ball. Doesn’t mean they can’t learn the game.
Blake O'Toole but will still not be as knowledgable as they have not played the game at any decent level. So just shush and listen when told otherwise by a tail NBA players full stop.
"And the numbers don't mean as much as Nick is making it sound..." ---Stephen Jackson. He is spot on. Nick gave a bunch of numbers out of context, it's weak argumentation.
@@eboncurry423 that’s the problem with how the game is covered by the current media. Basketball is not baseball, it can’t be reduced solely to numbers. There are so many aspects of the game that exceed numbers and numbers aren’t facts on their face but need contextual interpretation. Plus, numbers vary from generation to generation because rules and style of play are different.
@@eboncurry423 we probably shouldn’t argue different eras in the ways that we do. And you are right, for now, that won’t happen because there are ratings in favor of this type of coverage. But in creating a shallow media for the game, it may in the meantime expand its base, but the coverage of the game itself becomes watered down.
The disrespect to kobe is real. It needs to stop. The dude was something else. I used to hate him because he was so good. But I respect the help out of his game especially now. But we can't keep looking at bron finals resume as the deciding factor. The guy took 2 teams there that had no buisiness being there. And you want him to be a spurs team, and a golden state team with that squad? Everybody know that ain't happening. And I didn't even mention when Kevin love and kyrie got injured and wasn't available for one of the finals trips.
Injuries happen, losses happen deal with it. LeBron is the only guy who if he loses he needs to get a pass. No one excuses Steph, KD, or any other player who loses in the finals...but the bronsexual army will literally tell you Bring lost because the lights in the arena were too bright....not because he choked or didn't take the game over. That 51 point game they are referring to..dude you have 5 overtime minutes to go out there and slit their throats and watch them bleed out, that's what you do...don't complain, don't explain get it done.
You know what is sad and honestly disrespectful, this is the third video from these guys and it has all been lebron. Nothing about the Finals Champs... Smh...
Yeah, everybody knew they'd win before the season started. People are getting really tired of em, it's getting stale. News flash NBA, this Warriors team winning every year is BORING and very bad for the leage, period.
Linda Thompson I absolutely agree that other guys on the Cavs CAN shoot. However when your season is on the line as the star of the NBA much less your team, the expectation is to do all you can to fight off elimination. Shooting 13 shots when you came in averaging 26.6 shots does not meet that expectation
Yeah Nick you do know the LeBron system which relegates most of his teammates to being spot up shooters destroys the ball movement of the team and it doesn't allow his teammates to be their best versions. Jordan, Kobe played off ball and that allowed their teammates to get the best of themselves
MJ still carried the load offensively and played hella defense. Oh, Nick saying MJ went 3 for 18 made up for it by driving to the rim to get to the FT line. Something LBJ needs to do more of when his shots not falling.
Tayfun Cavus Pippen 6 Rings > Kobe 5 Rings If having more team awards rings means greater player than Pippen better😂😂😂 Pippen 6-0 > Kobe 5-2 Kobe Bryant 2 Finals Mvps and best player on only 2 Rings he won Shaquille O'Neal 3 Finals Mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe sidekick 😂 First Ring Kobe 15.6 ppg and 36.7% fg Carried by Shaq 38 ppg and 61% fg 😂 Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg and most missed shots all time isn't top 8 all time player Kobe Bryant ranks 9-12 range
also Kobe was a 2x scoring champ to Lebrons 0. Kobe has made All-defensive team (both 1st and 2nd) 12 times to Lebrons 6. Kobe has achieved higher peak scoring averages than Lebron, and has had higher free throw percentages. Kobe also almost 3-peated twice, and never had to jump ship to form a super team. Lebron may be ahead in regular season and finals MVPs, but i'd take Kobe any day
.You smoking some of that good stuff..gtfoh swept by the warriors?..now thats funny..it must be comedy night....Lebron would have dropped out of the league playing against the piston and those other teams jordan played..if you wanna get real
Teammate killers!?? Lebron makes his teammates better? Jr smith still sucks after all these years. Clarkson, who was in the running for 6th man got woeful. Rodney Hood got woeful! Lebron does not make his teammates better as they claim. We need to end this discussion. Lebron makes his teammates become spot up shooters. And if theyre not good enough he goes to join already better players. Get off it!
Listen to Stephen Jackson.... Don’t just HEAR him but LISTEN to him!!!! He is a player that actually played the game, against KOBE and he knows, witnessed and was defeated, depleated going against the “BLACK MAMBA”!!!! He truly knows the mentality you need to have in the NBA FINALS!!! Respect to S. Jackson who will always support and give so much credit to the “BLACK MAMBA”!!!! 🙏🏼🙌🏼🤘🏼
DyinBreed Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg and most missed shots all time and 3x sidekick for first 3 Rings Kobe Bryant is not in the Goat conversation 😂 To be in goat conversation you have to be best player at yo position Michael Jordan 🐐Goat and best SG ever To be in goat conversation you have to be best player to ever play for yo franchise Both Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Magic Johnson better players than Kobe Bryant
Tony Davis - u right. Michael Jordan is the goat. This is basically a convo about next greatest. I think everybody who knows basketball knows it's too late for Bron to eclipse Jordan. My thing is if LeBron is in the top 5 conversation u gotta put Kobe in it. Say what u want about Kobe numbers, but he was a killer. The last 2 rings he was the leader. Let's not leave those out. He was way more competitive than Bron and had way more heart. Gimme Kobe over LB any day. Just a matter of preference. Bron is too passive for my taste.
you'll take nba player over talking head ok isiah thomas two time champion one of the best points guard ever said lebron is better then mj but but but......... isaiah hates mj shellup
This happens to Lebron, because he simply does not make his teammates better. He transforms his teammates into jump shooters... Kevin love was a nightly 20-10 player in his old team before being traded to Cleveland. That's why Kyrie demanded for a trade. To win, Lebron needs a tenacious and fearless saviour in his team (Wade, Allen & Kyrie) especially when the game is on the line... In contrast to Jordan and Durant, they were those players in their team.
I notice he didn't mention that Jordan scored 17 free throws and hit 16 in that game. Which of course would lead to explaining why Jordan wound up at the line so often that game. The Knicks were physically attacking him in a manner that current NBA players don't need to worry about. Talk about cherry picking something and having no one with a brain standing there to counter his disingenuous point. Jordan was a beast, his stats in the playoffs are ridiculous. I've seen other people post them in these comments sections before. It's absolutely amazing to see those stats in comparison to Lebron and think anyone could still say Jordan isn't the GOAT.
I am a lifelong Celtics fan that hates Kobe Bryant for two reasons. Those reasons are 2010 and the fact that he plays for the Lakers. But I can not believe the hate and disrespect that Nick Wright just gave to this man. To say he is not even in the conversation is crazy. Kobe has won 2 rings by himself, LeBron has none. These LeBum fans are really starting to get out of control.
Courtney Haynes Jordan and Kobe would’ve gotten at least one game. If you don’t see the difference after he being in the league for so long, then you’re blind and ignorant. You are the basic bronsexual
tiger22 you have no arguments. Jordan has gotten swept. Kobe has gotten swept. So your statement is demonstrably false. All you have as an "argument" is third-grade name calling.
JUSTIN WALLACE Nah, The narrative is about MJ or Lebron...Kobe isn't in the discussion... LeBron is more efficient than Kobe..Has a better regular season record playing against Kobe too..LeBron has never been ousted in the First Round..Or missed the playoffs since 2005...
The reason lebron can’t afford to Have a bad game & his team win is because the entire offensive scheme relies on him having a good game. He dominates the ball & runs the offense. He determines everything. So when he has a bad game, everyone generally has a bad game or, they don’t have a game well enough to account for his bad game. Lebron’s teams have no offensive system. He is the system. I wish someone would bring that up.
I mean, if rings is your only or preferred measurement, then that is how you reach your conclusion. But a ball player can do more than just either win or lose championships.
I think the crazy thing is is when the media always said that Kobe was the reason that Shaq left, but actually Shaq was the main reason why. Shaq even admitted it in their interview. Kobe didn’t care that they lied because he knew that truth. You can’t believe everything you hear from the media.
ShowtimeWARRIOR Not always. It's still a team sport and nobody can win alone. Wilt Chamberlain is still considered one of the most dominant players ever and he's 2-4 in the finals. Most dominant player of his generation and only got 2 titles because, follow me now, his teams were inferior to the competition. You can still be one of the greatest ever and not win every year. Lots of people still have Wilt in their top 5 all-time, despite the losing record.
How come Nick didn’t bring up any “flaws” about MJ in the finals? Oh yea that’s right he can’t with that record. Dude brings up bad shooting games as if that excuses LBJ getting swept while playing passive in most of those games. Shooting bad isn’t the same as playing passive point blank. One guy is still taking shots to win despite them not falling in whereas the other guy is playing disengaged and mentally checked out...there’s a difference but these L3-6ron stans won’t know that bc they’re busying trying to find new ways to excuse Mr. 3-6.
All Team San Diego Finals my guy? You’re bringing up yrs he didn’t even reach the finals, how can you lose a finals if you’re not in the finals in the first place? Like I said before, lay off that Nick logic, finals is what matters and MJ is 6 for 6, while LBJ is 3-6.
Nick looks so devastated & I love it lmao im a LeBron fan but the media makes it easy to sometimes not even care about rooting for lbj since they like to make so many excuses and just blame his teammates all the time
The problem with Nick is he sure is keen on finding and stating others bad games and mistakes and only sees LBJs "great games" and guest didn't do that on him.
@Kenneth Erickson name any of those coaches who going to the hall of fame. Nobody can do wat LeBron did and does. Period! Never had a coach and come straight out of highschool? From a ruff upbringing finals 4 year. King
LeBron quit in GM 4... went to locker room earlier than rest of team.. He heard Charles Barkley saying he had no heart and the goat conversation was over... so LeBron and his people did damage control by using the injury... all he had to do was give a 100% for 48 mins and this all could have been avoided... smh...no excuses...
Maurice Terrell they NEVER quit in the finals or playoffs tho. I can recall multiple time Lebron has done just that. Lebron quit and tried to control the narrative with this broken hand bs. And people need to stop saying this man didn’t have any help. Lebron makes everyone on his squad a spot up shooter and not everyone is a spot shooter on that squad. No one gets used correctly when playing with Lebron
I remember a certain MJ retiring for 2 years because he was exhausted after only his third final in a row... And you clowns think he could have went 8 had he not. If he could have. He would have.
That's the thing Nick. He was playing the same way like in highschool. MJ and Kobe evolved. You just have to do what is necessary to win. There is a mentality you need to win.
The title of the video, Lebron nba finals, vs Mj and Kobe.. Nick Wright talks about the eastern conference and western conference games were Jordan and Michael have lost games to make his stretched out point... we are talking about the finals!!!... talking about revisionist history, and you're revising the present lol
Azad Madhu but kobe didn't say anaything about injury..right?..and lebroom after geeting swept "i played the last three games with a broken hand/finger" big LOL 😂😂😂
Jerome Marshall that same team Bron had to go to Miami to beat lol ....Kobe did it with just Pau and injured lol . Bron had to team up with 2 career all stars in there prime .....with the role players
They act like Lebron wasn’t the reason Kyrie wanted out. He had enough of LeDrama. Jordan went 3-18 who won the series. Jordan was a great leader LeBron is only a leader when he’s front running.
Notice they also skipped the part where Jordan went 16 of 17 from the line because he was being physically hammered by the Knick's in that game. M.J. Still had 22 points that game. These fools aren't just cherry picking, they are completely misrepresenting the game they are talking about. Jordan still found a way to score 22 that game. He still found a way to snag 8 rebounds, had 11 assists, 2 blocks & 2 steals that game. They also seem to forget to mention that Jordan top of the line defense is a major factor as to why the Knicks only scored 83 points that game. These guys are delusional with half the stuff they evoke to prop up James.
Don’t ever mention Mr. 3-6 next to MJ, got swept twice in the finals and lost in 5 games in 2 other finals and choked in another one. Could’ve easily been 1-8 in the finals had it not been for those shots by Allen and Kyrie. Where was all those clutch shots in the finals? Those fadeaways he was doing in the weak East? Oh he faded oh right, faded in most games by playing passive. Mention this dude with Wilt and West, can’t be the goat with 6 losses.
All Team San Diego Do you play to get to the finals only to lose? You need to lay off that Nick Wright and Shannon mentality. You play to win the game. MJ is 6 for 6 when he got there, overall he won 6 titles in 15 yrs. L3-6ron is 3-6 when he got there, overall he won 3 titles in 15 yrs. Even with your logic MJ still beats him.
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Nick needs to get fired
First Things First: Cris Carter and Nick Wright.. Why isn't LeBron considered a ball hog? How can his teammates progress if he's doing "everything".?
Shameful.... He went out with a whimper.
Nick is mad AF lebron caught the L, face it man, Lebron is always going to be second best to MJ
The disrespect Nick gives to Kobe is crazy
Just a hater kobe is 5-7 n the finals
Next year bron gon lose again LOL n be 3-7 n the finals
Trey Slaton it’s actually, 5/7 for kobe and 3/9 for lebron
Trey Slaton 5-2 in the finals. Only lost twice 04' Pistons 08' Celtics winning 5 of them thangs.
Kobe 5-2 finals get it right
Kobe is trash tho. The greatest brick layer of all time
Nick says Kobe is not even in this conversation. Then proceeds to talk about Kobe for half of the video.
Yea examples of how bad he was in the finals
The King The point is why is he talking about him at all
The King except HE WON. Losers always make execuses. "Well Lebron only lost 6 finals because he doesnt have 4 all stars bla bla" He lost. Period. Couldn't getting it done. Couldnt close. Even with Kyrie and Love he only 1
SmithN' Wesson I agree. Also LeBron had more all star teammates in his career than MJ. So LeBron got more help than MJ
Well, he's breaking down why HE doesn't think Kobe is in the conversation, because most people do. I certainly think Kobe belongs in the conversation. But Nick isn't wrong in his thinking when he puts down the facts. Kobe has had a lot of bad games.
Nick: "And of course Kobe, who has no business in the discussion..."
Stephen J: "Wow"
I bet he wanted to punch him in the mouth right then and there. lol
Haha. Watching this, even I wanted to punch him. Never heard of this guy named Nick. No idea who this clown is. He's either high on something or needs a thorough psych evaluation, likely both.
It's true, kobe is 10 max.
@@d.00.m.s_d4y so you agree with Squidward instead of Stack? Okay, your opinion. Lol
@@d.00.m.s_d4y
How can the player that is the closest to Mike in GREATNESS be 10th 🤔
That mean Lebron must be at 20th then....
@@nextdoc87
Can u imagine that Nick "aka Tom Green" Right got one of them sisters.
It's such a disgrace!
So Nick results to bringing up MJ's and Kobe's bad games to prove that it was ok for LeBron to give up. Then goes on to say that Kobe is not in the GOAT discussion but you are using him as an example. Nick be quiet. You are contradicting yourself.
RayMo nah he just saying everyone as bad games bruh coz you saying both players are better than bron come on now bruh
It would be interesting how often MJ and Kobe got fouled compared to Lebron.
Safeena Choud they always compare MJ and LeBron on this show. What's up with bringing Kobe in it? He needs to do his normal comparisons since he feels like Kobe isn't in the GOAT discussion. You are contradicting yourself for cosigning with him.
Nick just stupid...he talks and does not listen to himself
RicRugerFlare I would think pretty often. What's your point in bringing up fouls?
I dare Nick to say this to Kobe's face. I'm a Laker hater, but I respect Kobe and his greatness. Don't you dare do that to the Black Mamba!
Sevey Lee not a Kobe fan but this man nick is hella disrespectful Kobe got 5 rings and you gonna say that
They're trying to shade Kobe now since LeBron is not in Jordan's level
They are trying to now compare Kobe and LeBron
Sevey Lee agree
Sevey Lee I'm telling you, step Jax face said it all. Swear this dude gonna say for a long time at that. Kobe closer and Tim Duncan too. 5-6 for Timmy D and 5-7 for Kobe. Smh disrespect is real
What would Kobe even do? 😂 It’s the truth, people created this false narrative around Kobe.
Nick a dunbass...he just look at the numbers ...
Numbers don't account for the multitude of variables. To think numbers are everything is just ignorance.
DRAMAFLS PRODUCTION that’s all he can do. That’s all his arguments ever are 😂 he’s the definition of a bum. He’s the guy that goes looking for the scary sound in the night.
Hip Hop Fanatic facts
DRAMAFLS PRODUCTION The female is the smartest of the 4
and to think rings is a valid argument when its a Team vs Team to win a championship not a 1 v 15 is ignorance as well
Stephen Jackson needs how own show cause he's the only one that doesn't have a narrative. He literally tells it like it is.
Exactly he's not biased like all these other bronsexuals
Hes got his own poscast... it's called All The Smoke. On youtube also
@@Mj-uz1ng i guess ur a jordan fan the worst fans in the nba well the hardcore ones e.g u
bronphobics are worse than bronsexuals. I'll take love over hate any-day.
@Kenneth Erickson ya lebron and mj
This guy attacked Kobe non-stop in this segment smh the disrespect
Khurram Sohail ikr. I felt that was unnecessary especially since he doesn't think Kobe is in the GOAT discussion then why bring him up.
He hates kobe u say he’s not n da convo yet u keep attacking kobe
I mean I was shocked. The disrespect was out of place and straight up foul.
He gave facts, not really criticism about Kobe
He have just stating facts
He picks his player's on every team and always says he has no help lol
He was literally the only player to average over 20 points. Kevin love was the only other player in double figures. He didn't have enough help to beat the warriors.
Stephen looked like this dude is a clown when said kobe not in the discussion. Lol
Curtis Barlow kobe isn’t he’s just not efficient enough
Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 "kObE wAs CaRRiEd bY ShAq"
Curtis Barlow that comment was absolute blasphemy. Kobe will always be in that discussion LeBron just can't do with Kobe could do at all
Jamarcus Guzman this has nothing to do with efficient. He didn't play in the analytics era.
Jamarcus Guzman how old are you? 😂😂😋
Calling Kobe inferior is absolute disrespect some former player or analyst needs to put Nick Wright in his place
IKR.......inferior player would be a Harnes Barnes, or a Wiggins not Kobe Bryant
Cslling him inferior to lbj and mj is not an insult.....its just the truth and the truth is kryptonite to the legion of kobetards who continue to highly overrate their inefficient hero
He has no dignity so there's nothing you can say to convince him
@@moha9559Andrew Wiggins is a champion and so is Harrison Barnes
It's a fact. Look at the stats and tell me LBJ isn't better then Kobe
Kobe Bryant made made it to the “Big Game” the NBA Finals from 2008-2010 (lost one, won 2 back to back), LBJ failed to do so (even with the motivation of being swept in the finals prior in 2007). Both players were in their prime (even though LBJ had the advantage with his physicality). The common denominators were that Kobe Bryant won playoff series against teams that knocked LBJ out of the Playoffs. If you speaking facts and statics, why are these facts neglected by Nick Wright. My point is that both players are different and Great in they’re own right, but why does Nick Wright need to tear someone’s legacy down to build another’s? Jordan was the Blueprint, Kobe continued & LBJ was the future... which is the present. Kobe & MJ is the comparison because they’re very similar... Why isn’t LBJ compared with Magic?.... #foodforthought #hatingismorePRIMEtimethanTRUTH STATS don’t measure heart❤️
But the team that beat Kobe and took him to a game 7 was playing vs bron and mo Williams lol come on now
@@shanerobinson925 but also the team that beat LBJ (ORL Magic) lost to Mamba. So what we really talking about if u wanna play that game
Your logic is stupid Kobe had a better team go compare there numbers & actually see who performed better
Kobe had Shaq simple end of discuss the has five rings but he wasn’t the best player for three of them that disqualifies him from being the goat
@@jermainemccloud6918 LeBron is 4-6 in the finals and has been swept twice, and gentlemen's swept twice. Surely that has to disqualify him from being in the GOAT debate too?
LeBron has absolutely nothing on Kobe so to say that he's no longer in that conversation is absolutely ridiculous and straight-up blasphemy
Jeremy Obese Your lord Kobe is not better than lebron...try aggain
Trey Parlin kobe kills lebron. Bron is an actress bro. Has little heart. He is a better all around player, but kobe is a killer, can't say that about lebron.
Kobe won championships with shaq who was better than him
J Day you didn’t have to do him like that😂😂😂😂
Much respect to Kobe, but Lebron is better in almost every category of the game except ft shooting
Stephen wasn't buying anything Nick was saying when he said Kobe isn't in the discussion. The look he kept giving him was funny.
I dont take Jackson serious. Ever heard him talk about Westbrook? Fake realness
Yeah we should all listen to a History graduate in a no-name school than a professional basketball player. Sounds about right!
Nick Wright getting paid to make excuses for Bron he makes me dislike Bron more
so you dislike someone for the love and affection of another; what does that say about you?
Kenneth Erickson Well then Bill Russell is the unanimous GOAT. Way better than that poser named Jordan who got bounced out of the first round like a bum.
if were talkin bout championship, why are we inserting someone with lesser rings (3) ?
lebron fans disrespecting Jordan. jeez.
@@azrazeell6649 how many rings?
@@shreyaschoubey8538 Jordan is a Poser? 8th seed Jordan Led Bulls losing in the Playoffs against eventual '86 Champions Larry Bird with 3 HOF led Celtics is better than Prime Lebron led SUPERTEAM MIAMI with Prime WADE and Bosh plus HOF Allen DEFEATED by 37-year-old TIM DUNCAN with 36-year-old MANU as a teammate. No HOF teammate Jordan led Bulls being swept in the playoffs is better than Role player Jason Terry defeating a Prime Lebron led Superteam Miami with Prime Wade and Bosh. Nobody OWNED JORDAN in the FINALS. LEBRON was the WHIPPING BOY of Tim Duncan. Duncan swept Lebron in 2007. Defeated him in 2014. 3/3 if not for the Ray Allen 3 "because Lebron chokes in the Finals". Lebron is the GOAT POSER and PRETENDER.
Media hates on Kobe. But as Basketball fans, we all know what Kobe Mamba represents. Fk these haters and media. Kobe > LeExcuses
respect the honesty. Wish we had dirk when shaq left lol
lol it gets frustrating hearing the disrespect... but for his style of play thats low key dead in todays game and have 3-4 season ending injuries and a vetoed trade that would've gave kobe more longevity he made the best out of his career
No he wanted out L.a rememeber
Why is Nick Wright constantly bashing Kobe? Im sick of this dude and that short chin of his.
😂😂😂
He bashes Kobe to try to get LeBron a free pass past being compared to Kobe cause he knows that if that conversation is had LeBron might not even get passed 3rd place.
Me too man. This idiot probably hasn't touched a ball before a day in his life and have the audacity to speak reckless about the great Kobe Bryant aka Black Mamba, aka 2 greatest player to ever play the game, GOAT 2.
Yep agreed
i never seen this show but who invited this ps4 nerd?
Kobe must've done something to Nick, I swear 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kobe plays defense and tires the defense by forcing them to defend him.
If Kobe ever met Lebron in the finals, he'd lock Lebron up. Kobe is relentless on defense
LargeJuicyLips 6-16 against lebron numbers don't lie
Lakersoul really at the end of the that W is what it matter in those matches lebron had more point,assist and rebounds.
rafael Rojas Sosa at the end of the day 5 rings
Binh Nguyen at 33 still playing like 24 4 MVP
BRUH. THIS IS THE MONDAY AFTER THE WARRIORS WERE CROWNED THE 2018 CHAMPIONS AND FOX SPORTS IS SHOVING LEBRON TOPICS DOWN OUR THROATS.. WTH. THIS IS SAD... SHOW THEM THE RESPECT THEY DESERVE. BCUZ IF LEBRON WON THESE FINALS WE WOULD HEAR ABOUT HIS IMPOSSIBLE RUN TO GREATNESS ALL MF'N SUMMER. SMH.
Jose Cann facts
Jose Cann I mean nobody is forcing you to watch. If you don't like the content fox sports is providing you then, go watch something else.
That's adorable but since you want to the noble fox sports representative congrats to u LOL.. But i am assuming you are smart enough to understand my point about a Major broadcast station barely covering a NBA championship team. But ok.
you know the reason why. Nick is sad that LeBron lost again in the finals.... at the end there I almost thought he was going to cry because no one wants to be on his side of the fence on the LeBron is the GOAT subject lol
Jose Cann facts this is why Stephen A didn’t want cavs in tha finals cause lebron would be tha topic throughout
I think that the biggest difference between MJ/kobe vs LeBron is that during game prep and game practices, they focused on perfection and pushed their teammates harder more than other teams so that when game time started, their teams were ready to play. So the few times MJ or Kobe had a bad game their teams pick up the slack; MJ preparing more than Kobe as we saw the Laker playoff drought before gasol got there. LeBron pushes his teammates but they feed off of him as a ball distributor (with plays drawn up for him to do so) so when he has a bad game, his teammates couldn't function without him.
If kobe is not in the GOAT discussion, neither should bron be
Neither one of them are.
1. Jordan
2.Kareem
3.Russell
PERIOD.
Xavier Vega 1) Magic 2) Kareem 3) Jordan.
@@xaviervega468 I can respect that
Lebron is superior to Kobe in every facet of the game.........kobe was a sidekick
@@franknice187 lebron needs 2 all-stars to win. Kobe just needs 1. Kobe has won more titles with less help in a much stronger conference. Lebron struggled to get 3 with teams built specifically around him with good talent
Why is Nick bring in up Kobe now? Hey Nick! I will go with Kobe any day than Lebron...Respect the Mamba bro!
Because Kobe brought himself to the GOAT discussion. And he is not in the discussion as Nick said
well done, you're an idiot J.T
Kobe was great but he can't carry a team like LeBron. Also there has already been a 6-6 great isolation player with all time great killer mentality that is Michael jeffery Jordan who is a way better kobe and MJ nor lebron had a teammate near the skill of shaq you can bring up 2011 for LeBron but kobe had melt downs as well.
@@zoomdoof6107 idk about you, but I saw Kobe carry two sub-par Lakers teams to the playoffs in 06 and 07 in a much tougher conference. And ironically, in 2011 LeBron was beaten by the only man in a long time, besides Kawhi last year, that can say he carried his team to a championship.
@@megaslice23 Dirk didn't "carry" his team to a Championship. He had other role player who were extremely important and the load Dirk carried in 2011 is nowhere close to what LeBron carried in 2012, 2013, 2015 finals, LeBron 2016 finals, and LeBron in the 2017 finals and the whole 2018 playoffs. Just because you have another all star on your team does not mean your load is any lighter - Dirk had a way deeper Mavs team than LeBron ever had. LeBron and Wade combined to carry close to 2 third of the load in the 2012 playoffs, especially when Chris Bosh went out with injury. Dirk had a great run but he his 28 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, and subpar defense aren't anywhere close to so many other playoff runs. Dirk wasn't very good in most of the 2011 finals games. And Kawhi only carried Toronto in the series vs Philly... and he still had Siakam averaging 19 in that series. Every other series Kawhi had a lot of help. But Kawhi's run is significantly better than Dirk because of Kawhi's defense compared to Dirk's mediocre impact on that end of the floor. Dirk 2011 playoff run ain't even an all time playoff run. You can't have an all time playoff run if another player (Wade) was much better than you in the finals and if you didn't contribute in any massive way besides scoring, and that was still at only 28 points which is below average among the all time playoff runs. Dirk had 3.7 win shares in that postseason in 21 games. LeBron had 5.8 win shares in 23 games in the 2012 postseason, 5.2 win shares in in 23 games in the 2013 postseason, 4.7 win shares in 21 games in the 2016 postseason - and one of the best defensive performances in any finals regardless of position, 4.3 win shares in just 18 games in the 2017 playoffs, and he had the best individual postseason since MJ in '91 - regardless of winning the title - in the 2018 playoffs, where LeBron amassed 5.2 win shares in just 22 games - and he had 49% of his team's win shares - 5.2 out of 10.6 - which is the largest percentage by far of any player to ever make the finals. The load LeBron carried in the 2018 playoffs is the biggest load any player who has made the finals has ever carried since the NBA merger. Dirk's playoff run is hella overrated because everyone - KD, Russ, Kobe and the whole Lakers team, and LeBron all had to play trash for Dirk to win. Honestly, I give Dirk a ton of credit. But I see 4 - 5 players who play at the same level Dirk did in the 2011 playoffs every year in the postseason. Last year Durant before he got injured, Jokic, Steph, James Harden, and Giannis all played at the same or higher level as Dirk. Dirk was very clutch in 2011, but an all time great postseason is one where you actually play at a level that you don't see often - like Dirk in 2006, who was way better than Dirk in the 2011 playoffs, but 2006 Dirk simply couldn't close the deal in the 2006 finals. Instead of LeBron choking Dirk was the one who choked after game 2 in the 2006 finals - although it wasn't as bad as LeBron's choke. I've never seen anyone play at the level LeBron did in the 2018 playoffs cuz I wasn't alive to see MJ. And, Kobe had three teammates averaging double digits in the series against the Suns in 2006 - compared LeBron having one in the two series vs the Pacers and Celtics in 2018. If you put 2018 LeBron on the Lakers in 2006 they would've beat the Suns and the Clippers and likely lost in 6 or 7 games in the conference finals to the Mavs. Of course LeBron can do more with less - he's proven it. As good as Kobe is, his best postseason - 2009 - is still worse than LeBron's postseasons in 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017 and 2018, and arguably worse than LeBron in 2009, but LeBron faced two mediocre teams in the first two rounds in 2009.
I love how nick tries to diminish everyome elses legacy when lebron got swept twice
Put Kobe or me on those teams & they get swept two
@@cirilocampos9909 put Allen Iverson on that team, bet they dont get swept!
@@michaelkirschner6009 They might not. Iverson managed to take a game from Shaq and Kobe.
@@xaviervega468 that against Shaq and Kobe. This is against KD, Steph, Iggy, Klay and Dray
Lebron got Swept once in the finals and he was carryin hard fatigue hit him hard bruh. And yh in 2007 samething. Cleveland front office is an embarrassment bruh u got a player who single handly get u to the finals but put no pieces around him especially in 2007 that that like his 4 th year and he got his trash team to the finals. Only Dwight can relate. Maybe Hakeem but he had decent team
Kobe had 15 boards against the Celtics in that game 7 js
ryanestabrooke12 You're right and Jordan had 11 assists, 8 boards, 2 blks & 2 stls in game 3 against the '93 Knicks. If his shot was bad on a particular night, he would still find other ways to contribute more and also get points from the free throw line. Nick "Wrong" has no idea what's he's talking about.
How many times either MJ or kobe got to the finals without a stacked team and hof coach and how many times were they the underdogs in the finals?
Devlin M. Bron went 2-2in Miami with the most stacked roster in the league ....had a stacked roster in Cleveland for that championship team as well . Kobe won just one other star and role players ... same as mj
On a torn Achilles lol
Devlin M. The teams Kobe had without shaq were not stacked.
LeBron has no competition in the east. All the teams he played in the east would not make it out of the first round with the exception of Boston who most likely lose in the second had they played in the west. Just stop
dude is so disrespectful with his comment about Kobe
SO DISREPECTFUL....kobe constantly gets overlooked..and Nick's blind support of LBJ is ridiculous...its sad...
when someone speaks facts you guys say he is disrespectful, i'm a Lakers fan and though it hurt everything Nick Wright said was absolute FACTS. Kobe is nothing close to Lebron and the "mamba mentality" is kind of a farce. Lebron is better in every statistical category except FT%.
with the game on the line....who are you gonna pick? Lebron right...who is lacking in the very area that's needed most at the end of a game.
But the thing is my G Lebron gets u to having the game on the line without him there is no contest. Honestly look at the team Lebron brought to the finals? They had 0 and i mean Zero business in the finals. They had 0 business getting past the eastern semis but Lebron is the key to all that. Honestly i will take Lebron on my team anyday over both Jordan and especially Kobe.
oh and by the way the stats prove that Lebron is more clutch than Kobe and Jordan
Kobe beat the celtics without leaving his team..
shaq
neither Kobe nor MJ left their teams to win.
Neither kobe or jordsn were isolated like bron
Kobe and Jordan demanded a trade when they were losing
@@Soldier979 3 finals, 3 rings, 2 years of pro am baseball, 3 finals, 3 rings. 1 team. Nickname: Air.
Nick Wright so disrespectful to kobe smh
Joshua Woodard he ain’t got no business speaking on Kobe‼️
He’s right about Kobe... y’all kobe fans are like Dallas cowboy fans completely delusional
Frankie L stupid comment
L
Joshua Woodard cuz he a lequeen stan
I'm not a Kobe fan, but yeah, that was a bit much for him to say.
Wow. Flat out disrespect to my guy Kobe coming from Nick Wright
HATER NEEDS 2 TELL HIS FAVOURITE PLAYER 2 GET HIS RINGS UP........ FACTS
6:10 "Last time Lebron have 11 pts was like 2009" No Chris 2017 ECF game 3 against Boston.... 11 pts 6 rb 6 ast and 6 TurOvers
@Luca Reyes 💯
Nick Wright is a Kobe Hater
nah just a realist lmao
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It frustrates me to no end when analysts like Nick Wright spit out half stats to try and prove a point. In that 1993 Series against the Knicks when the Bulls were down 0 - 2, Mike went 3 for 18 because the Bulls blew them out. His jump shot was off combined with how the Knicks were guarding him. Don't bring up that he stayed aggressive while he was in the game and went to the freethrow line 17 times. He was 16 of 17 from the freethrow line. Mike NEVER stopped being aggressive and attacking. Same with the Orlando game, it was a blowout. Nobody will ever complain about Lebron shooting 13 times when his team is hot and they're blowing a team out.
mjohnsonjr23 this Cavs roster would have no chance of blowing anyone out if Lebron went 3-18
LuisTH-cam so you missed the entire part where Jordan shot 17 free throws lol so even if he made 3 shots of 18 he had over 20. Everybody has a weak shooting performance. But what were Jordan’s rebounds assists steals blocks and turnovers looking like compared to Lebrons? Same with Kobe? How often did they get to the foul line and make buckets.
Y’all let this mane spout off 1 stat like it’s golden and ignore everything else. Meanwhile he’ll say well Lebron might have shot 0 for 4 from the 3 and finished 3 for 18 but he had 7 assists and 12 rebounds and 10 for 10 from the foul and 6 blocks and 4 steals and blah blah blah.
LuisTH-cam also they would have no chance because Lebron can’t get to the line and when he does he can’t shoot. And he isn’t playing defense, nobody told him to play the point.
Okay so Jordan was 3-18 and 16-17 ft. 22 points. Cavs still couldn't win a playoff game if LeBron played that badly. He legit needed to score close to or over 40 for them to even be in games lol. Also, don't bring up rebounds and assists, coz LeBron beats Jordan in those.
Its embarrassing that this is allowed to be a sports show. None of these people know anything about the game
I'm pretty sure the NBA championship that Steven has disproves that
Except Stephen Jackson
then dont watch
All Nick Wright is bringing up is stats. Kobe and Jordan's IMPACT on the court was more than their stats.. that's why they won even when they had bad games.. not because they had some incredible supporting cast
Jermaine exactly. That fool doesn't understand the eye test. It's like having Randy Moss running go routes. He's not getting the ball everytime but you scared he might so you double him. Nick wants to marry Bron
Exactly.
That's the main disconnect between media/stats guys and players. Stats nerds are so smart but don't realize *you can't compare stats accumulated under different conditions*. That's a basic rule of statistics.
Not sure what your point is but thank you for that information
All Team San Diego. 30-52 making the playoffs...same year MJ missed 64 games, good one Smalls.
There were 23 teams in the league back then, 16 made the playoffs. You could make the playoffs with a bad record.
And the East was the Beast back then. The lowly Bulls had to play the best teams in the league 6 times a year. The Celtics, Pistons, Hawks, Bucks, etc. You dumb bro.
Stephen Malcolm X Jackson
lmao
Black Jesus I thought he looked familiar 😂
He looked like he about ready to smack nick 😂
Black Jesus he got the A-R looking out the window lol
Nick the "anti-Kobe" preacher. LeBron has three rings, Kobe has five and LeBron is running out of time!
Meh... LBJ is great but like myself and a lot more people and NBA players would consider Kobe's skills and history will be better than LBJ's.
Facts
Kobe always been better then lebum blames
@J Day 5 rings
@globalicon2012 5 rings
@@Wave33221 robert horry 7 rings my boy
Bruh Stephen Jackson's face when he said Kobe isn't in the discussion of greatest of all time says it all
Raymond Vankenie
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg and most missed shots all time and 3x sidekick for first 3 Rings
Kobe Bryant is not in the Goat conversation 😂
To be in goat conversation you have to be best player at yo position
Michael Jordan 🐐Goat and best SG ever
To be in goat conversation you have to be best player to ever play for yo franchise
Both Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Magic Johnson better players than Kobe Bryant
Funny how you can average 28, 6ans 5 in the playoffs and still be considered a sidekick lol best side kick I ever seen
GurrenAce facts. No one ever talks about how kobe had to take over games when shaq fouled out and couldn't hit free throws. Or even whe. He hit the important shots to win the game
Raymond Vankenie who is Stephen Jackson how many playoff games he won rings he got
@@redhead7305 he got a rimg with gs
The disrespect to Kobe is astounding. Nick looks at the numbers, but when Lebron is stat padding, the numbers will always look inflated. I never saw Kobe or Jordan throw tantrums the way Lebron does.
royaltree1204
Kobe Bryant quit in a game 7 vs Suns and lost 121-90
Before Pippen and Phil Jackson, he quit in the 1st-2nd round.
royaltree1204 that's because you never even watched
You are mostly right.
Best player Lebron played this year was a rookie.
In 2001 playoffs alone, Kobe and the Lakers had to beat Shawn Kemp, Rasheed Wallace, Scottie Pippen, Mike Bibby, Vlade Divac, Tim Duncan, David Robinson in the West playoffs.
Kobe averaged 22, 7, 6 at 82% from the line.
And the Lakers swept ALL of them before going 4-1 against Allen Iverson's Sixers.
2010 alone...Kobe had to go through Kevin Durant, James Harden, Serge Ibaka, Westbrook, Barbosa, Grant Hill, Channing Frye, Goran Dragic, before beating the big three in Boston -> Paul Pierece, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo.
Then you didn't watch Jordan or Kobe play.
Everybody’s fault except for Lebron.
Yep, it's pathetic how they just supplicate LeBron.
so what more should lebron have done they all saying the same thing and Stephen Jackson dont think lebron is the goat just like they saying when it come to lebron the scrutiny will always be worse than any other player
@@SmokeRichBiggs They are forced to play in the Lebron system. In game 3 Hood was ballin but they quit giving him the ball because the lebron system is not made to let role players have good games.
SC Challenger 2020 Lakers teammates would like to have a word wit u. If anything his system makes them better
@@controversialmann5345 was lakers really as impressive as their fans want to believe. They beat the clippers, Celtics, and Boston but yall erases how they played against those teams earlier in the season. The clippers would have beat the lakers in the postseason
Numbers rarely tell the whole story. I get Nick's point but the reason Jordan only went 5-14 is because the Bulls blew out the Magic.
I think the point Stacks was making was about Bron not going out on his sword and just checking out of games.
And the Kobe game 7 disrespect is crazy. Kobe went to the free throw line a ton that game against the same Boston Celtics that held Bron to 15 points in one game in that playoffs. That was one of the most defensive game 7's ever. And he did it with a messed up finger and sprained ankle.
Crazy how the media tears down one player to big another one up. Brons post season run this year was legendary.
Kobe shot 15 free throws and 15 rebounds which 4 was offensive and you right now one shot good but KG in game 7.
Goodness, thank you for intelligent, fair, and measured input. The fanboy, one dimensional responses are like smog.
that should say even more ! they blew out another team when jordan was having an bad night imagine the cavs blowing out the celtics or pacers this playoffs and lebron shoots 5-14 XD
A Tribe Called Quest shoot! I wish that could've happened.
A Tribe Called Quest
Cavs can't do anything without LeBron because they barely practice. Nobody has a defined role. They all just have to play off of LeBron.
LeBron basically does what he wants and everyone else just needs to try to keep up with him. Also If LeBron is having a hard time on offense he checks out defensively as well.
Nick wright is a clown, using other players to excuse LeBron failing again. Point blank Jordan is 6-0 and Kobe is 5-2 foh
rodneyford8 Kobe went for the ride with Shaq and Phil.
Shaq at least got to a finals and the other time he went.
Kobe played 12 years without Phil Jackson
rodneyford8 yea bc Jordan n Kobe DID NOT HAVE PLAY ALL TIME GREAT TEAMS EVERY YEAR, IN FINALS.. AND IF BRON HAD THE REAL SHAQ, How many Rings would he have? Kyrie and Wade were always Hurt w Bron except 2011(Wade was Healthy) and 2016 (Kyrie was Healthy/ helped Bron Win a Ring)
darkskin you say Kobe played 12 years w/o Phil right? Could u tell the people at Home lol, how many Rings or MVPS or Playoff Series did Kobe Win w/o Phil Jackson? The Answer is 0 Rings 0 MVPS and 4 Playoff Series Wins in 12 Tries with No Phil equals 33% Winning Percentage aka NOT GOOD.. Bt Bron WON RINGS with Rookie Coaches/Barely experienced Coaches and Won COUNTLESS PLAYOFF SERIES w/ Terrible Coaching.. Bron is wayyyyyy better than Kobe, B. #Bron2ndBestEver
Kalvin Baber calm down buddy, LeBron isn’t paying you to defend him or be his fan boy. Titles are titles all that other nonsense is irrelevant. And if you think the bulls or the lakers didn’t face great teams every year you either starting watching basketball yesterday or don’t know much about the sport. Have a good day sir
rodneyford8 bruh, the 97 98 Jazz had 1 dominant player (Stockon couldn't guard anyone and was solid on offense, not great tho) compared to the Bulls 3 in Jordan Pip and Rodman for Rebs n Defense.. and the Lakers played 2 good teams in Finals in Kobe 7 years in Finals..
04 Pistons Kobe Lost and 08 Celtics Kobe Lost lol.. Kobe won rings vs inferior competition like 09 magic lol, 02 Nets lol 2000 Pacers lol.. c Mon . Did Kobe play anybody as good as 16 Warriors 17 Warriors 18 Warriors? No... what bout 07 Spurs 14 Spurs? Stop it slime..#Bron2ndEver
I'm so sick of Nick Wright..get him off TV please already..so u Gon down play MJ n Kobe because LeBron failed.like Jones (Lebron)ain't been playing in the weak East conference..n u think MJ n Kobe couldn't get pass Oladipo.. Toronto sec round..n Boston Rookies conference finals..u a lie..Kobe has been playing the hard West..OKC had three superstars..Spurs had three allstars.. Houston had Mcgrady n Yao..Steve Francis.. Sacramento Webber..Bibby..Phoenix had Nash n Stoudimire. N came out the west with 5 rings..2 without Shaq..beat Boston big 4 and Dwight Howard..all when LeBron couldn't..n he is not on the Goat list..N Magic.. Shaq.. Kareem are on the Goat list..n Kobe career was better than theirs..all them got sweep..in the finals..But MJ n Kobe haven't..3 on the all time pts list..2 finals MVPs..3 or 4 scoring titles.. multiple allstar Champion..slam dunk champion.. league MVP..second in the most 40 pts games in a row..81 pts comeback win..n a 60 pts retirement game..has scored over 40 pts or more on every team in the NBA.. and he not on the Goat list..the devil is a lair..sounds like to me..If 1.MJ the Goat..2.Kobe next in line..then 3.Kareem..then 4.Magic..5.Shaq.6.Wilt .7.Russell.8.Durant 9.Steph..10.Duncan..11.Lebron..12.Bird..13.Hakeem..14..Oscar..15..Pippen.16.Wade
"kobe and jordan couldnt have got this cavs team to the finals" yeah cause beating oladipo, the pathetic raptors and a celtics team without their 2 best players sounds oh so hard.
Bron Matthews exactly
Kijana Evans I remember watching the Suns come back on Kobe Lakers 3-1 down in the 1st round he choked that series away and didnt bother showing up in game 7.
I saw him get bounced by the same team the next season 4-1 should of been a sweep, Kobe wouldn't of dragged this roster past the Raptors maybe the Pacers but not too the finals. When Kobe doesn't have certain talent around him he can't win.
davidcici11Evolution we talking eastern vs western conference here .. an 8th seed in the West is equivalent to a 3rd or 4th seed in the east .. competition was definitely different ... that suns team was title contenders
Maurice Moon back then yes, but now the East is no doubt a weaker and inferior conference but back in that time an 8th seed could sniff the playoffs with a 42 or 43 record, that is the equivalent of an 8th seed in the East now. The East back then had 2 teams maybe 2.5 now the East has 4 quality teams so it is much more balance now. The difference is LeBron would of made it too the playoffs and at least the second round if not the Western Conference finals with that same Laker team that Kobe couldn't do anything with, because LeBron has been dragging bum teams for years during his first stint in Cleveland and during the last two seasons.
Argument mute look at kobe team those three years... They got smush off the street and the biggest bust in NBA history at center. That team is worst in the league without Kobe in the west compared to the east... So just stop.
Still would take kobe 10/10
Getting you Triggered I agree.
Getting you Triggered can we be real about something how do you view kobe has so good when he's not even top 3 laker all time?????
Getting you Triggered.
If you take Kobe 10/10 history says u better have Phil.
Without Phil his career is not good.
Getting you Triggered cool, well you go head and enjoy getting eliminated in da 1st rnd or just not making the playoffs when u cant get any good free agents... I'll pick lebron and never know how it feels to get eliminated in the 1st round
Man these stat driven cheese balls forgot.
I think this is more on Lebron's attitude towards the game. Your team mates feed of your energy and presence and when you lose your confidence and give up, your whole team gives up. Kobe and Jordan no matter what never gave up even on their bad shooting nights, they look for ways to help their team. In the finals against Celtics Kobe played amazing defense and grabbed 15 rebounds, which is helping out your team and never giving up even on your bad shooting night.
Kobe gave up vs PHO, blew a 3-1 lead and refuse to shoot the ball in game 7
Kobe's not in the discussion for the GOAT are you kidding me. When Magic retried without Kobe the Lakers would have never won another championship. Kobe won five championships from 2000 to 2010 including a threepeat cmon man.
Kelvin Sanders he jst a dicker!
Err i think having Shaq as the leader of your team and finals MVP of all those finals has a LITTLE to do with it
s3lzy and what about the 2009 ang 2010 season? Did shaq the reason why they won that championship?
s3lzy how old are you?😂😂😂
talking about the 3 peat obviously mate. You stating him winning a 3 peat without context can make it seem like the man was single handedly great between that time period
Nick, Nick, Nick.. that Kobe comment bruh 🤦
Nick Wright is the most garbage analyst ever he needs to be fired
Nick Wright is so disrespectful. How dare u insult the Mamba? Disgusting! Kobe over Lebron all day boy
Lets not be dumb ok.
Ashley Aimable so wat you dies lebron too no problem. They diss Christ too
Ashley Aimable This dude is LeBron fanboy.
Ur just uneducated or dumb sorry..no disrespect just facts
All Day!!
Nick Wright you are so disrespectful to Kobe. Kobe is better in my eyes.
Have we ever seen MJ or Kobe quit on his team like Lebron has? I don’t think so.
Kobe quit against the suns
@@solidsnake8331 no he didn't, nice try tho
@@Von.NorthEnd look up that 3-1 series he choked against the suns young buck
Lol Mj quit for seasons !
How you gonna return end of the season to lose to shaq with the magic in the ecf!! Yeah the media doesn’t talk about that Mj quit for seasons
Kobe won 2 rings with Pau Gasol. Everyone talkin' like Kevin Love is a scrub. Back when he was still with the wolves he was a legitimate MVP candidate. Simply put: Kobe made Pau better but Lebron made Klove worse.
What I'm saying is if Lebron was put in Kobe's shoes he would not have won those titles with the lakers. Kobe pushed Pau to his absolutely limit whereas Lebron wouldve turned him into a scrub.
You’re stupid if you don’t think lebron would’ve won rings with shaq, Odom, Paul gasoline, Bynum etc. how many of those seasons were the lakers trash?
who said anything about Shaq? Ofc Lebron wouldve won a ring with him, but not with Pau, Bynum etc. Lol at even including Bynum. What has he done since that run with Kobe? Nothing. Come to think of it, Pau has done nothing since Kobe as well. Look what Kyrie has done without Lebron? MVP Candidate lol. Face it, Lebron just makes his team mates worse.
Exactly 💯and lebron fans think we Jst hating when really if you pay attention to the game it’s right in your face
X Kobe that is a lie that Laker roster that won back to back titles was way superior, Pau impact on the game is far greater than that of Love and the collection of pieces is far superior.
Nick Wright has probably never made a high-level ball team in his LIFE and has the audacity to call Kobe inferior sir.... have several seats
I disagree Strongly with that statement. Wats the difference between a coach never playing and Nick? You'll praise players for awards that the media determine. I think people hate the Truth
Malik Davis because media is mostly opinion and favouritism and coaches are living the game every day. Also name a coach from college to NBA that has not played to a certain level where they can actually know the game.
Adz B dude players will tell you there’s plenty of nba players that don’t “know” the game. Not everyone has the god given talent to play high level ball. Doesn’t mean they can’t learn the game.
Blake O'Toole but will still not be as knowledgable as they have not played the game at any decent level. So just shush and listen when told otherwise by a tail NBA players full stop.
Adz B you’re wrong
Stephen Jackson hasn't been back on this show since lmao
He should have slapped fire out Nick Wright about kobe remark!! So disrespectful
"And the numbers don't mean as much as Nick is making it sound..." ---Stephen Jackson.
He is spot on. Nick gave a bunch of numbers out of context, it's weak argumentation.
Dude numbers literally canoot lie unless the math is wrong lol. Almost Everything a player can do on the court can be put into a stat.
@@eboncurry423 that’s the problem with how the game is covered by the current media. Basketball is not baseball, it can’t be reduced solely to numbers. There are so many aspects of the game that exceed numbers and numbers aren’t facts on their face but need contextual interpretation. Plus, numbers vary from generation to generation because rules and style of play are different.
@@lancejacobsen8372 In this case we shouldn’t argue different eras at all then, but we both know that’s not gonna stop happening.
@@eboncurry423 we probably shouldn’t argue different eras in the ways that we do. And you are right, for now, that won’t happen because there are ratings in favor of this type of coverage. But in creating a shallow media for the game, it may in the meantime expand its base, but the coverage of the game itself becomes watered down.
What do you think it is about people not understanding this?
The disrespect to kobe is real. It needs to stop. The dude was something else. I used to hate him because he was so good. But I respect the help out of his game especially now. But we can't keep looking at bron finals resume as the deciding factor. The guy took 2 teams there that had no buisiness being there. And you want him to be a spurs team, and a golden state team with that squad? Everybody know that ain't happening. And I didn't even mention when Kevin love and kyrie got injured and wasn't available for one of the finals trips.
Injuries happen, losses happen deal with it. LeBron is the only guy who if he loses he needs to get a pass. No one excuses Steph, KD, or any other player who loses in the finals...but the bronsexual army will literally tell you Bring lost because the lights in the arena were too bright....not because he choked or didn't take the game over. That 51 point game they are referring to..dude you have 5 overtime minutes to go out there and slit their throats and watch them bleed out, that's what you do...don't complain, don't explain get it done.
You know what is sad and honestly disrespectful, this is the third video from these guys and it has all been lebron. Nothing about the Finals Champs... Smh...
Ray MyeyesRopen1150 everyone expected them to win please stop they have 4 allstars
Everybody knew they were going to win. Nothing to talk about that wasn't said last year besides Klay struggled but they won so nobody cares 🤷
You realize these videos aren't the entire show right
Yeah, everybody knew they'd win before the season started. People are getting really tired of em, it's getting stale. News flash NBA, this Warriors team winning every year is BORING and very bad for the leage, period.
Truth is people don't have much respect for the GSWs Championship wins, too easy.
Not shooting in a game 2 is not the same as not shooting in your elimination game. Nick always looking for an excuse
Linda Thompson I absolutely agree that other guys on the Cavs CAN shoot. However when your season is on the line as the star of the NBA much less your team, the expectation is to do all you can to fight off elimination. Shooting 13 shots when you came in averaging 26.6 shots does not meet that expectation
Yeah Nick you do know the LeBron system which relegates most of his teammates to being spot up shooters destroys the ball movement of the team and it doesn't allow his teammates to be their best versions. Jordan, Kobe played off ball and that allowed their teammates to get the best of themselves
When Jordan doesn't do well on offense, he more than makes up for it to help the team by playing defense.
Except they won by 19 that game. In the close games that series Jordan had 35 and 45.
Maybe the offensive load he has to carry has something to do with that?
MJ still carried the load offensively and played hella defense. Oh, Nick saying MJ went 3 for 18 made up for it by driving to the rim to get to the FT line. Something LBJ needs to do more of when his shots not falling.
Nick and Cris are crying like two big babies....LBJ needs help blah, blah blah! This is why he pouts so much!
Same with Kobe 9 time 1st team all defense
It’s ok he can hate on kobe cause kobe ain’t apart of 3-6 mafia 😂😂
DizzyDaGodTelevision lol exactly nick stay tip ridin jus like shannon sharpp
Lol! 3-6 Mafia!!!!!!
Lmaoo
He can thank Shaq for that lol.
Instead he just blows 3-1 and gets swept with shaq
9:37 look at step jack reaction on his face😂😂😂
"these two bronsexual dont know basketball"😂😂😂
He's holding himself not to slap Nick
Kobe is greater then LBJ
5-2 beats 3-6
Nick Accept the reality!!! and come back to Earth from Bron balls !!!!
Tayfun Cavus your the type of person he's talking about. Idiots like you. 3-6 derr derrrr 3-6
Tayfun Cavus
Pippen 6 Rings > Kobe 5 Rings
If having more team awards rings means greater player than Pippen better😂😂😂
Pippen 6-0 > Kobe 5-2
Kobe Bryant 2 Finals Mvps and best player on only 2 Rings he won
Shaquille O'Neal 3 Finals Mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe sidekick 😂
First Ring
Kobe 15.6 ppg and 36.7% fg
Carried by
Shaq 38 ppg and 61% fg 😂
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg and most missed shots all time isn't top 8 all time player
Kobe Bryant ranks 9-12 range
Tayfun Cavus Finals MVPS?
also Kobe was a 2x scoring champ to Lebrons 0. Kobe has made All-defensive team (both 1st and 2nd) 12 times to Lebrons 6. Kobe has achieved higher peak scoring averages than Lebron, and has had higher free throw percentages. Kobe also almost 3-peated twice, and never had to jump ship to form a super team. Lebron may be ahead in regular season and finals MVPs, but i'd take Kobe any day
Don't feel sorry for Lebron. He built that team and ran Kyrie out of town.
MrBlaq how did he run him out
Gary Ridgeway don't worry they believe everything the media tells them .. Not to mention its so many lebron haters in the comments
They lost with Kyrie in 5 games last year so how much would he have helped this year realistically
Johnny Coop lmfao!! Well that's a catch 22 and a great rebuttal lol
Did you not watch the video?
Jordan won when he had an off night because he could play elite defense. GOAT
Nick... Stop. Take the L. Why is he bringing up Jordans faults when bron just got swept. Hes NOT JORDAN. Its been proven.
Jordan would have got swept by 2018 warriors
@@slimshady5088 lol clown
.You smoking some of that good stuff..gtfoh swept by the warriors?..now thats funny..it must be comedy night....Lebron would have dropped out of the league playing against the piston and those other teams jordan played..if you wanna get real
Teammate killers!?? Lebron makes his teammates better? Jr smith still sucks after all these years. Clarkson, who was in the running for 6th man got woeful. Rodney Hood got woeful! Lebron does not make his teammates better as they claim. We need to end this discussion. Lebron makes his teammates become spot up shooters. And if theyre not good enough he goes to join already better players. Get off it!
LMFAO What happened to Kyle Korver?? That boy ain't make a three pointer in 2 straight playoffs.
Taking bums to the final is making them better. Ppg is not the only thing in basketball.
Project Baby Explain Jr smith
Ashley Aimable he was never a great all star player as far as i know he was always a volume shooter. Consistently inconsistent
Ashley Aimable exactly
Listen to Stephen Jackson.... Don’t just HEAR him but LISTEN to him!!!! He is a player that actually played the game, against KOBE and he knows, witnessed and was defeated, depleated going against the “BLACK MAMBA”!!!! He truly knows the mentality you need to have in the NBA FINALS!!! Respect to S. Jackson who will always support and give so much credit to the “BLACK MAMBA”!!!! 🙏🏼🙌🏼🤘🏼
Nick If Lebron is so superior why didn't he ever make the finals to face Kobe 2008-2010?
Gamerman-10
Why didn't Kobe Bryant make it to nba finals from 2011-2016 when LeBron James was there 😂
Davion Rison because Kobe was older and out his prime 🤔
TruthSeeker 86 as if LeBron isn't old😂
Clearly LeBron is not out of his prime yet genius
Davion Rison its was Jason Terrys turn to outplay him
Kobe not in the discussion?? SJ reaction says it all lol. Talking head or former NBA player. I'll take former NBA player 10x outta 10
DyinBreed
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg and most missed shots all time and 3x sidekick for first 3 Rings
Kobe Bryant is not in the Goat conversation 😂
To be in goat conversation you have to be best player at yo position
Michael Jordan 🐐Goat and best SG ever
To be in goat conversation you have to be best player to ever play for yo franchise
Both Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Magic Johnson better players than Kobe Bryant
Tony Davis - u right. Michael Jordan is the goat. This is basically a convo about next greatest. I think everybody who knows basketball knows it's too late for Bron to eclipse Jordan. My thing is if LeBron is in the top 5 conversation u gotta put Kobe in it. Say what u want about Kobe numbers, but he was a killer. The last 2 rings he was the leader. Let's not leave those out. He was way more competitive than Bron and had way more heart. Gimme Kobe over LB any day. Just a matter of preference. Bron is too passive for my taste.
you'll take nba player over talking head ok isiah thomas two time champion one of the best points guard ever said lebron is better then mj but but but......... isaiah hates mj shellup
Tony Davis both Kareem and magic have said that kobe is the greatest laker
This happens to Lebron, because he simply does not make his teammates better.
He transforms his teammates into jump shooters...
Kevin love was a nightly 20-10 player in his old team before being traded to Cleveland. That's why Kyrie demanded for a trade.
To win, Lebron needs a tenacious and fearless saviour in his team (Wade, Allen & Kyrie) especially when the game is on the line...
In contrast to Jordan and Durant, they were those players in their team.
Al Joevid Mirasol Talking about saviours, MJ would have been 0-6 without Pip. Let that sink in...
That's why Kyrie wanted out! Blame the coach, blame the owner, blame the players, blame the refs, but never blame Lebron!
Lebron gets blamed all-the time my boy.....
How is kyrie doing?
So how kyrie been doing lol ?
Surprised Jackson didnt slap tf outta Nick when he said "Kobe has been out of the goat talk for a long time" lol
why he hatin on Kobe?
Prince Kishan he always hatin on Kobe
Im getting real tired of the Kobe hate...
Rich Jackson Kobe a scrub Phil is the reason Kobe wins no one wins with Kobe
darkskin last time I checked phil wasn’t the one out there playing
Not hate just facts
@@tovikashikhu7176 nah Is hate delusional Kobe is top 3 is fact
Lost me when you said Kobe is eliminated from the greatness conversation. If anything, he’s the only one who truly measures up to MJ.
I notice he didn't mention that Jordan scored 17 free throws and hit 16 in that game. Which of course would lead to explaining why Jordan wound up at the line so often that game. The Knicks were physically attacking him in a manner that current NBA players don't need to worry about. Talk about cherry picking something and having no one with a brain standing there to counter his disingenuous point. Jordan was a beast, his stats in the playoffs are ridiculous. I've seen other people post them in these comments sections before. It's absolutely amazing to see those stats in comparison to Lebron and think anyone could still say Jordan isn't the GOAT.
look at the fouls wasnt rough
wtf nick talkin about? Charles Barkley come slap this man.
I am a lifelong Celtics fan that hates Kobe Bryant for two reasons. Those reasons are 2010 and the fact that he plays for the Lakers. But I can not believe the hate and disrespect that Nick Wright just gave to this man. To say he is not even in the conversation is crazy. Kobe has won 2 rings by himself, LeBron has none. These LeBum fans are really starting to get out of control.
More apologies for lebron.. Jackson is right lebron PubMed out.. He is not the killer that M.J. or Kobe were..
Nick showed that MJ and Kobe did the EXACT SAME THING. He gave you STATS and the precise situations. Game. Set. Match. Nick.
Courtney Haynes shut up Nick. You really believe LeBron has the same mentality as Jordan and Kobe? Le-Soft
tiger22, you got no stats. Only emotions. You feel Lebron doesn't have the Jordan or Kobe mentality. Can't convince you to change your feelings.
Courtney Haynes Jordan and Kobe would’ve gotten at least one game. If you don’t see the difference after he being in the league for so long, then you’re blind and ignorant. You are the basic bronsexual
tiger22 you have no arguments. Jordan has gotten swept. Kobe has gotten swept. So your statement is demonstrably false. All you have as an "argument" is third-grade name calling.
Seems like nick really doesn’t like Kobe 🤔
JUSTIN WALLACE because most NBA players pick Kobe and respect Mamba more than his hero LeBron
Joe Rents has Kobe not earned that respect?
JUSTIN WALLACE he sure did. That is what makes Nick Calling Kobe inferior is mental.
Joe Rents yeah Nick’s disregard for Kobe’s greatness is cringeworthy!
JUSTIN WALLACE Nah, The narrative is about MJ or Lebron...Kobe isn't in the discussion... LeBron is more efficient than Kobe..Has a better regular season record playing against Kobe too..LeBron has never been ousted in the First Round..Or missed the playoffs since 2005...
The reason lebron can’t afford to
Have a bad game & his team win is because the entire offensive scheme relies on him having a good game. He dominates the ball & runs the offense. He determines everything. So when he has a bad game, everyone generally has a bad game or, they don’t have a game well enough to account for his bad game. Lebron’s teams have no offensive system. He is the system. I wish someone would bring that up.
MJ GOT 6 RINGS ON 1 TEAM, NOT GOING TO ANOTHER TEAM. STOP SAYING LEBRON BETTER
After he begged to get rodman in pipen not to mention that 6-0 is very overrated and I'm not even a bronsexual
Jordan never beg for Rodman lol
lil.dripptv Pippen was drafted and Rodman was on his way out of the league if the Bulls didnt want him.
lil.dripptv how old are you? 😂😂😂
I mean, if rings is your only or preferred measurement, then that is how you reach your conclusion. But a ball player can do more than just either win or lose championships.
Nick Wright underestimates Leadership and having your team ready to play...
Steel Will so so so true
But he is saying, MJ/Kobe were not good leader; they were terrible leaders who belittled their teammates.
I think the crazy thing is is when the media always said that Kobe was the reason that Shaq left, but actually Shaq was the main reason why. Shaq even admitted it in their interview. Kobe didn’t care that they lied because he knew that truth. You can’t believe everything you hear from the media.
Nick.. 3-6 matters more than STATS!! Championships matter more than stats.
ShowtimeWARRIOR nicks an idiot #36mafia
True but if that’s the case then bill Russell is the greatest of all time
ShowtimeWARRIOR so bill russel is better than mj?
ShowtimeWARRIOR yah tell em!!! Bill Russell the goat
ShowtimeWARRIOR Not always. It's still a team sport and nobody can win alone. Wilt Chamberlain is still considered one of the most dominant players ever and he's 2-4 in the finals. Most dominant player of his generation and only got 2 titles because, follow me now, his teams were inferior to the competition. You can still be one of the greatest ever and not win every year. Lots of people still have Wilt in their top 5 all-time, despite the losing record.
How come Nick didn’t bring up any “flaws” about MJ in the finals? Oh yea that’s right he can’t with that record. Dude brings up bad shooting games as if that excuses LBJ getting swept while playing passive in most of those games. Shooting bad isn’t the same as playing passive point blank. One guy is still taking shots to win despite them not falling in whereas the other guy is playing disengaged and mentally checked out...there’s a difference but these L3-6ron stans won’t know that bc they’re busying trying to find new ways to excuse Mr. 3-6.
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Finals my guy?
You’re bringing up yrs he didn’t even reach the finals, how can you lose a finals if you’re not in the finals in the first place?
Like I said before, lay off that Nick logic, finals is what matters and MJ is 6 for 6, while LBJ is 3-6.
Nick looks so devastated & I love it lmao im a LeBron fan but the media makes it easy to sometimes not even care about rooting for lbj since they like to make so many excuses and just blame his teammates all the time
The excuses they make for this man is crazy lol. He wanted all of this n still blame everyone else
Listening to Nick makes me sick!! Its so blatantly bias .dam do he sleep with LBJ!? Just be honest and subjective sheesh!!!
acluv2338 if a lebron lead team gets swept again next year what will nick Wright say
Lets not be dumb ok. I know you guys all hate Lebron; but he is the best. That is fact.
The problem with Nick is he sure is keen on finding and stating others bad games and mistakes and only sees LBJs "great games" and guest didn't do that on him.
@Kenneth Erickson name any of those coaches who going to the hall of fame. Nobody can do wat LeBron did and does. Period! Never had a coach and come straight out of highschool? From a ruff upbringing finals 4 year. King
@@MalrickEQ2 The best doesn't get swept
Nick will never realise that numbers is not everything. KOBE over Lebron any day.
LeBron quit in GM 4... went to locker room earlier than rest of team.. He heard Charles Barkley saying he had no heart and the goat conversation was over... so LeBron and his people did damage control by using the injury... all he had to do was give a 100% for 48 mins and this all could have been avoided... smh...no excuses...
MrSpliffstarz just don't choke in the finals while 50 million are watching like lebron
Lebron quit and his squad followed
It's not quitting necessarily they are down 0-3 and they don't want to go back to Oakland i would have folded too
Yeezy Dude people can’t be calling this dude the “GOAT” if he’s gonna “fold” because he’s losing
Point blank Period.
Maurice Terrell they NEVER quit in the finals or playoffs tho. I can recall multiple time Lebron has done just that. Lebron quit and tried to control the narrative with this broken hand bs. And people need to stop saying this man didn’t have any help. Lebron makes everyone on his squad a spot up shooter and not everyone is a spot shooter on that squad. No one gets used correctly when playing with Lebron
I remember a certain MJ retiring for 2 years because he was exhausted after only his third final in a row... And you clowns think he could have went 8 had he not.
If he could have. He would have.
That's the thing Nick. He was playing the same way like in highschool. MJ and Kobe evolved. You just have to do what is necessary to win. There is a mentality you need to win.
LOL WHAT?
The title of the video, Lebron nba finals, vs Mj and Kobe.. Nick Wright talks about the eastern conference and western conference games were Jordan and Michael have lost games to make his stretched out point... we are talking about the finals!!!... talking about revisionist history, and you're revising the present lol
MicroFiber Only 6-24 in Game 7. Lucky his team showed up or Kobe would have been destroyed
Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 I like it how you said no excuses after making excuses for kobe
Azad Madhu but kobe didn't say anaything about injury..right?..and lebroom after geeting swept "i played the last three games with a broken hand/finger" big LOL 😂😂😂
Jerome Marshall that same team Bron had to go to Miami to beat lol ....Kobe did it with just Pau and injured lol . Bron had to team up with 2 career all stars in there prime .....with the role players
Mason Hucks He went to Miami to beat Boston though😂😂😂
They act like Lebron wasn’t the reason Kyrie wanted out. He had enough of LeDrama. Jordan went 3-18 who won the series. Jordan was a great leader LeBron is only a leader when he’s front running.
Notice they also skipped the part where Jordan went 16 of 17 from the line because he was being physically hammered by the Knick's in that game. M.J. Still had 22 points that game. These fools aren't just cherry picking, they are completely misrepresenting the game they are talking about. Jordan still found a way to score 22 that game. He still found a way to snag 8 rebounds, had 11 assists, 2 blocks & 2 steals that game. They also seem to forget to mention that Jordan top of the line defense is a major factor as to why the Knicks only scored 83 points that game. These guys are delusional with half the stuff they evoke to prop up James.
S. Jackson : "Lebron's the smartest player I've ever seen."
Magic : I'm right here.
Bird : Death Stare.
Bill Russell : Let me get my Rings.
Don’t ever mention Mr. 3-6 next to MJ, got swept twice in the finals and lost in 5 games in 2 other finals and choked in another one. Could’ve easily been 1-8 in the finals had it not been for those shots by Allen and Kyrie.
Where was all those clutch shots in the finals? Those fadeaways he was doing in the weak East? Oh he faded oh right, faded in most games by playing passive. Mention this dude with Wilt and West, can’t be the goat with 6 losses.
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Do you play to get to the finals only to lose?
You need to lay off that Nick Wright and Shannon mentality.
You play to win the game.
MJ is 6 for 6 when he got there, overall he won 6 titles in 15 yrs.
L3-6ron is 3-6 when he got there, overall he won 3 titles in 15 yrs.
Even with your logic MJ still beats him.