Overnight after this video was published, Limit got Sylvanas down to 45.4% and then when Echo retuyrned fro their final session before the NA reset, they finally took Sylvanas out! An incredible race, huge credit to Echo and Limit for playing out of their skins and also Blizz for the amazingly tuned final fight... amazing scenes. I'm a husk.
Hey! Current GM of Umbra Immortalis - Argent Dawn EU here. You know.. last tier's ultimate winners B) Yeah we disbanded :C Just wanted to say good luck with the race, rooting for you Tali! Be the Argent Dawners we couldn't!
"Do you really think I would not recognize Durotan's eyes?" That line got me. This was the kind of reunion we were hoping for in Shadowlands. As for the new cosmic chart, it doesn't necessarily have to be a retcon. It's basically just how the brokers view the universe.
Yeah, people don’t get that weird anima merchants who have explored worlds and planes we can’t even comprehend would maybe see the universe in a different way than people who exist purely in the living plane
@NoChance WithoutPasta It's not a retcon, as it doesn't invalidate the previous cosmology chart. The broker saying that was wrong is just that broker with his particular theory of creation. I think it's gonna be interesting to contrast and compare those visions, because it furthers our understanding of the game universe.
@@Hoztyle619 It's not much different from the Azerothian cosmology chart either. Sure, the main powers have switched places, but are still polar opposites: Life-Death, Light-Shadow, Order-Disorder. The key difference is Reality, the Emerald Dream, and the Shadowlands have been rolled into one "Great Cycle", which makes sense for the brokers who know more about it than us mortals. But this also shows even the brokers don't know everything. Even the mortal plain is completely alien to them.
Blizzard: "We want nothing to do with the race to world first raiding" Also Blizzard: "We're going to buff a fight while it's happening because we're heavily invested in this race"
That was my answer to my raid lead every week. Yeah I watched it but didn’t learn much. Maybe if I watch it 50 times but I’m trying to play the game not watch it.
Hey Fam. Just want to say thanks for the content. I was making a video t other day, messed up some auctions. Had to re-record the end. Then re-recorded it with the mute button on my mic. Had to record it again. Even that was brutal. I’ve been doing editing to learn to teach students and ya e a new found appreciation for the content I’ve been enjoying for years. Thanks for the WoW love and some inspiration team. Cheers.
It was a douche move by the devs but that alone's not a problem. Devs and players can benefit from some light mechanical banter like that. The real problem is Sylvanas wasn't really spoiling for reasons for folks to loathe her as it is and if Blizz were really intent on screwing with players on Mythic difficult it would have probably been better suited to Kel'thuzad because whilst Blizz retconned a bunch of the actually interesting stuff out of his character he's still the only boss in the raid with a personality and a track record of pulling BS on folks, especially surrounding when people expect him to stay dead.
Real tho cheers to you Mr tali in your dedication to make your videos as awesome as can be. Real act of love to go over your work 3 times and crunch to deliver!
I literally watched this video to catch up on what was going on, while having the current Echo stream on my second monitor. 14minutes into the video they killed Sylvanas, what a great time for me to catch up on everything, cya next video
This is how I got my hand mount: I've done all the rares for the Conquering Korthia achievement, one of which dropped this key for a Domination Lock and one just straight up a ring, Didn't think much of it until the Necrolord Assault started and I found some fun little chests, one of which contained a Quarteter Stone Ring. Also during the Assault, someone opened a portal to Exos, so I got 3 rings checked. Then I went to Wowhead to see where the other 2 are and boom 2 hours later I had my mount.
I feel like an at least ok solution to the US reset advantage for RWF could be, that the kills could be measured in "time since launch/reset", so if a US guild clears mythic sylvanas in 30 h after their reset and a EU guild clears her in 29 h after their reset, the EU guild would win, even though they got their kill after the US guild. But i don't know, if that would even be possible to measure or if all guilds would agree to it.
I want more twists! I hope we find out Sylvanas on mythic cant be defeated unless they had to do something in each mythic boss fight to trigger the sylvanas kill. Raid buidling limit break if you will.
"Ooooh no. This means I have got to re-do the entire weekly reset after raid" Tali, during our progression raid. Also happy with our 3rd place! I feel like we can still get 2nd!
If a week ago someone had said their strategy was to die on a boss to despawn adds - we would have called it an exploit. When it was found in PTR, it was reported as a bug. If blizzard had stopped them mid-pull no one one have been shocked. The reason you feel gross about it now...is because it was an exploit. Echo's job is to kill bosses, not perform to Blizzards liking; but lets not pretend it wasn't something that it was.
Players just don't understand that Warcraft is told from multiple PoVs and each story told is a truth to their own PoV. The Cosmology Chart we know from Chronicles is the truth of the Titans while the new one is the truth of the Brokers. And before Chronicles we had the truth of word from the people of Azeroth, Draenor and Argus. All believe that their view of the cosmos is the truth; without talking ill about the view of the others.
@@CartmanRobin I stopped playing WoW around the time the original BC xpac was finishing up and only returned around the end of BfA. World firsts wasnt really a thing for me back then but I'm really enjoying (for the most part) discovering all the wider community that opened up around the game in all that time! I'll keep this in mind the next time a new raid begins, thanks
The reason people were upset with the discovery of 45% instead of 50% was that both guilds had essentially perfected every mechanic in every phase at that point. It looked like it wasn't a "oh we can't do it cuz of mechanics with current gear" and more of "we survived everything the way the fight is intended to play out, FLAWLESSLY, but not enough throughput possible to kill it either way", which would've highlighted how riddiculous the reset difference is to the supreme. But even through that, Echo kept finding strategies to squeeze boss damage, one of which got hotfixed 30-40 minutes into them testing it, and then finally managed to squeeze out 5% more damage (which is more akin to 10% on a normal boss), by playing like flawless machines the entire fight.
Non-RWF question, Is Sylvanus in a unique raid boss scenario where she wasn't really defeated by us? We barely hurt her, it was a whole bunch of people and she wasn't really trying to kill us either (kinda not really) but was humbled by her boss? I think it's different to Garrosh as we defeated him at least
Can't wait to hear what you think about Blizz totally bitch slapping Echo by changing the fight mid pulls to nerf the strat that they had come up with to try and beat that last 5% since you didn't mention it in this video. XD
What's the big deal about an extra 5%? I assume there's some kind of cumulative damage increase or debuff that makes the fight harder? Or did Echo run into an enrage timer? Because if there were so many indications that the Mythic fight *could* go to 45%, how were people not preparing for it?
To further expand on the increasing Sylvanas' health thing, since I've seen that floating around a lot: It would do more than make the phases longer. If they increased her health to the point that the the total damage required is the same, but the kill happens at 50% instead of 45%, then it would make the P2+P3 damage check strictly EASIER by about 6%: Suppose she had 100M health and dies at 45%: Total damage required to to kill: 55M She pushes to P2 at about 80% (which would be 80M health) and dies at 45M health. Total P2+P3 damage required: 35M Suppose instead that she had 110M health but dies at 50% Total damage required to kill: 55M She still pushes at 80% (88M health) and died at 55M health. Total P2+P3 damage required: 33M It's a difference of 2M damage, which is lowering the dps check by about 6%
Echo is so good at circling around what is exploiting and what is 5Head strats. Plagureboarers, KT trinket, and now Sylv tank solo tanking mini-boss causing Blizz to hotfix a change.
Blizz patching the trink shows they consider it an exploit. The only reason they did not revoke the kill is because Blizzard is desperate to limit any bad PR at this point.
Me with my big brain energy, some smart cliff traversal, and a wonderful invention helped me get my way to the raid entrance, will I tell, fraid not otherwise Blizz might try to "Patch" that wonderful method as well. Good luck all.
The fact people getting pissed about the cosmology chart is dumb, didn't they remember Blizzard said the one we 'knew' was written from the view of the Titans??
People are upset, because Metzen (the creator of WoW lore up to Legion), wrote it into Chronicle as the definitive lore, with no writing in the book, indicating it was from the perspective of anyone. Then the people that took over, retconned and ruined all those potential storylines that he had set up for them.
Mythic Sylvanas doesn't die at 50%? Cool! . . . Mythic Sylvanas dies at 45% and does nothing new? Is that it? Da fuq?! I fall into the camp that only an extra 5% with nothing new is a rather lame change. Make it 40% at least. And/or throw us on that middle platform for a final phase.
Those extra 5% are the current problem tho. Both echo and limit notice that they reached the max amount of dps they can do. Right now the only way of winning is doing a perfect Boss run. No deaths only pure dps spam.
I can wait to watch your video next week defending Blizzard against everything that is happening. Because, you know, that's what PR is there for, right? A little bit of mud in the waters, a little bit of why we shouldnt be worried because it has happened in other companies too, a little bit of "it wasnt everyone", a pinch of "we all love Warcraft". You need to defend your close friends now. That special invitation to Blizzcon is not gonna write itself. It's gonna be good, I know it.
This RWF has been absolutely outstanding! Not only because of how close Echo and limit have been but also because of how close method and bdgg have been on their heels. That said, Go NA :D
They need to have mythic difficulty open at a set time worldwide. They should inform the players what that time will be ahead of time and they can plan their sleep schedule accordingly.
There aren't enough quotation marks in the world to properly express """"""""""""""""best"""""""""""""""" in that context but the least we can do is try.
While I have no love for Sylvanas, she has always been one of the very top beloved/hated/talked about staples of Warcraft. One of the franchise's mainest of main characters.
Mhh one error. The 45% change makes only phase 1 stop at the same time. Cause Phase 2 is time capped. Meaning more damage in Phase 2 makes Phase 3 easier.
I don't think it was meant to be exciting tbf. It was meant to make the dps check harder. The 'exciting' thing here was the drama of an expected kill not being one and the race continuing,
@@Elendrial The DPS check is already harder, that is a given when you go from normal - heroic - mythic. The arbitrary nature of having 5% feels real cheap. It does have the sense of something Blizzard have just done to cause some sort of stir and get people talking. I doubt for a second the raiders from Echo appreciated it. Personally I feel it adds nothing to the fight.
So isn't that just bad leadership on the Echo side? If the data-mined 45% was already out there, shouldn't they have been prepared for the possibility? The idea that they'd be shocked by it seems naive.
I think the biggest shock is that she actuallydisappears for a few seconds once she falls below 50% then reappears and since she disappeared they thought it was over with
I am really hyped about the race, shame KT and fatescribe have shown less of a challenge to them. But sylvannas seems like awesome fight for them. The intermission with chains seems less bad than they thought initially
Apply Aura: Triggers Spell Based On Health % (1) Value: 50% Value: 45% - Mythic I'm no number scientist but I would have thought that that was a clue, Shaggy.
All competing guilds should have a speedrun style timer up from the moment the first player is loaded into to instance. The timer stops when the kill cinematic from the final fight begins. Lowest time wins. Easy.
I just don't understand how you can say having the fight end on such an arbitrary figure is a good thing. The only purpose to have the fight end at an arbitrary number like 45% is for RP reasons, (or perhaps to avoid using execute abilities which this fight isn't). But for such a hard fight, it's not a good gameplay mechanic to essentially fuck over the player by misleading them and pulling the rug from underneath them. It's more of a sadistic troll than a funny troll.
It's not even a troll, echo players like to stoke the flames but they knew about the 45% aura string beforehand. They just didn't know if it was right or not. There's no reason to be mad at a boss for it literally just being what it is
@@TheSilverwing999 easy to say that after the fact. No-one knew it was 45%, that's a lie. Everyone thought it was 50% because why wouldn't it be, that's what was established in the other difficulties. That 45% could have been for anything, and we still don't actually know if that is the bosses health, though it likely is. There is every right to be annoyed because it was purposefully misleading. Although thank you bringing this up though, because expecting the player to rely on data mining to work out crucial things on a boss, such as what HP does it die at, is in itself bad game design too so that's added another point to my argument.
While the drama was fun and will go down in history as an epic moment, I was disappointed in the RWF troll to Echo. Not disappointed that the Queen didn't die at 50%, but at the lack of creativeness involved in arbitrarily moving the goalpost. A hidden phase to go along with it would've been much more exciting and fun than just, "kill her more." Whereas if at 50% she transitioned to a new hidden phase for another 5% or more, it would've been a much more exciting twist.
Or transition to a new phase, not only for 5% more, but for like 10-25% more... you need to drop Sylvy to 25% on mythic, THAT would be awesome too see, thus you do need more gear and new learning tactics to defeat her. Not just... big D dmg boooiiiissss
Take the portal to beastwarrens from Venaris refuge. From there go UP THE ROAD slightly and to the left you can just ride the rocks into the sky and goblin glider straight to the WQ boss/raid entrance. You're welcome lol.
It felt like Blizzard wanted the Sylvanas fight to feel a little more epic, conveying the mesaage "Did you think it would be that easy?" They could have really sold it if they had her make a quip at the 50% health mark.
They could have had Anduin surprise 5%-heal Sylvanas when she reached 51% or something, that would have been a little less awkward than the 45% and would still have been a surprise. But was a very fun and intense tier, GG to the RWF guilds!
Thanks for bringing up the point that any criticism is on blizzard, not on any players. Too many people hating on the people who have no control over how blizzard might implement something like this like the players of Limit.
The solution is simple, no need to change reset times, simply disable mythic until all region resets are done and disable again when Na gets into the next week’s reset until again all resets are done
I'm not sure I agree with Helya being the most "baddie" of recent WoW villains, considering we have the Jailer himself and half-Sylvanas's genocide campaign, but Helya's definitely the most one-dimensional in terms of personality if that's what Tali meant. She has the same generic, uninteresting rage that Sargeras did. At least she's justified to be so angry, Odyn sucks, but man does she need to either grow as a character or disappear from the plot forever, I've been sick of her garden variety rage quotes since she was introduced in Legion.
The drama got even better when they hotfixed echos big brain strategy of skipping one of the big p2 adds, so they could use more cds on boss and got an extra 3% worth of damage, which couldve gotten them the push in dmg they needed to kill sylvanas
Honestly the new lore drops are HUGE. Anyone saying the story sucks or is cliche/fanservice are 100% not even remotely paying attention. Super pumped for the new cosmology as it seems to lead towards my theory that the Shadowlands & the Emerald Dream are actually connected.
Overnight after this video was published, Limit got Sylvanas down to 45.4% and then when Echo retuyrned fro their final session before the NA reset, they finally took Sylvanas out! An incredible race, huge credit to Echo and Limit for playing out of their skins and also Blizz for the amazingly tuned final fight... amazing scenes. I'm a husk.
It is good to see them get the win.. :)
Technically, the Age of Ultron turned out to be among the peak Avengers films, if misunderstood at its time.
Yo, taliesin, our boy mr. gm got his wish, he casted echo's sylvanas world first kill :D
I woke up to the Echo win, so I didn't miss it!.. it was great :) both guilds did amazing, but I feel Echo deserved this win.
Thank you for being you. Love your videos and your hot takes! Thank you very much!
Gm of Norsca Immortalis. I will have you know we do infact tip our delivery drivers! Best of Luck Tali we love you guys.
Hmm, doubtful but we'll accept it, for now...
Huh.... You must be the 9th or 10th GM. Nice try though.
@@Trainwheel_Time We just downed painsmith tonight.
Actually is the GM, can confirm, hard carry him every raid night :D I'm Daemonhunt in guild if ye need to confirm.
@@DaemonEU O the abuse...
Hey! Current GM of Umbra Immortalis - Argent Dawn EU here. You know.. last tier's ultimate winners B) Yeah we disbanded :C
Just wanted to say good luck with the race, rooting for you Tali! Be the Argent Dawners we couldn't!
Oh noooooo sorry to see you go, fam! You were the Immortalis we could only dream of being
Thats what happens when you make a meme guild purely for attention on an obscure TH-cam channel.....
@@TaliesinEvitel
@Shadowforge Yeah that wasn't what happened, but good of you to assume you know our story (:
@@DangerousDerp I think he was being "funny" ..hence the "obscure utube channel ref....and I'm going to look a right plum if he/she/they weren't! >.>
"Do you really think I would not recognize Durotan's eyes?" That line got me. This was the kind of reunion we were hoping for in Shadowlands.
As for the new cosmic chart, it doesn't necessarily have to be a retcon. It's basically just how the brokers view the universe.
Yeah, people don’t get that weird anima merchants who have explored worlds and planes we can’t even comprehend would maybe see the universe in a different way than people who exist purely in the living plane
Props to Draka's voice actor. She did a phenomenal job.
@NoChance WithoutPasta It's not a retcon, as it doesn't invalidate the previous cosmology chart. The broker saying that was wrong is just that broker with his particular theory of creation. I think it's gonna be interesting to contrast and compare those visions, because it furthers our understanding of the game universe.
@@Hoztyle619 It's not much different from the Azerothian cosmology chart either. Sure, the main powers have switched places, but are still polar opposites: Life-Death, Light-Shadow, Order-Disorder. The key difference is Reality, the Emerald Dream, and the Shadowlands have been rolled into one "Great Cycle", which makes sense for the brokers who know more about it than us mortals. But this also shows even the brokers don't know everything. Even the mortal plain is completely alien to them.
I will never get tired of "no, it was a shitshow!"
My wife dosent even watch and she knows that line. its the best.
Obviously :D
The carrot background will never not be funny
Ikr its fun highlighting the stupidity
obviously
"More balls please." -Tali 2021
with spikes
17:46 "And Thrall was there tooooooo" was my exact reaction during this quest!
"can't i?" She said and can't i she delivered.
She "enoughed" them xd
Blizzard: "We want nothing to do with the race to world first raiding"
Also Blizzard: "We're going to buff a fight while it's happening because we're heavily invested in this race"
Definitely looking forward to Tali's analysis of the brokers' cosmology chart.
"Will it die at 50%?"
I've never seen Sylvanas talked about with such disregard, lol.
you basicly trolled my amazon echo for this entire episode
"Sylvanas killed hope." Frantic golf claps.
thanks for the "i watched the video" joke, that one got a laugh out of me lol
That was my answer to my raid lead every week. Yeah I watched it but didn’t learn much. Maybe if I watch it 50 times but I’m trying to play the game not watch it.
Intro got me. I lol’d
Tbh if they made an easier path to the raid entrance I think Blizz would finally find a new addition the forums wouldn’t complain about
"To reach the raid entrance" 🤣🤣🤣
Hey Fam. Just want to say thanks for the content. I was making a video t other day, messed up some auctions. Had to re-record the end. Then re-recorded it with the mute button on my mic. Had to record it again. Even that was brutal. I’ve been doing editing to learn to teach students and ya e a new found appreciation for the content I’ve been enjoying for years. Thanks for the WoW love and some inspiration team. Cheers.
I live for secret mythic only phases. Give me more surprises.
4:32 Sounded like he said " Shout out to this racist breakout star" Im still not 100% certain he didnt... LOL
same LOL
I am so glad I'm not the only one wondering about that. I was like did he just save racist?
If anybody knows what Tali was referencing please comment
"Go and get me a boy"
I quoted the most PG part of that. 💀💀💀
I so recognize Evitel's look... I get it so often from my GF when I go off on awkward tangents. lol
I KNEW this would be high on the comments agenda, what a riff 😂
I was there for the 49.6% wipe and I have to say I loved the reaction by everyone when it didn’t die it was amazing!
It feels weird that they can include this thrall draka story but none of the other huge relationships such as the one between sylvanas and Kel thuzad
It was a douche move by the devs but that alone's not a problem. Devs and players can benefit from some light mechanical banter like that.
The real problem is Sylvanas wasn't really spoiling for reasons for folks to loathe her as it is and if Blizz were really intent on screwing with players on Mythic difficult it would have probably been better suited to Kel'thuzad because whilst Blizz retconned a bunch of the actually interesting stuff out of his character he's still the only boss in the raid with a personality and a track record of pulling BS on folks, especially surrounding when people expect him to stay dead.
It wasn't a douchy move. Blizzars always hotfixes unintended strats if it is unintended. This is nothing out of the ordinary and echo fans know it
Real tho cheers to you Mr tali in your dedication to make your videos as awesome as can be. Real act of love to go over your work 3 times and crunch to deliver!
I enjoyed the dialogue between Thrall and Draka so much that - HAD - to machinimate it. So good!
I will absolutely never watch it but good for you.
"Sylvanas killed hope" brilliant tali
Here’s a thought, maybe blizzard can start making WORLD of Warcraft, instead of raid of Warcraft: world first edition
I literally watched this video to catch up on what was going on, while having the current Echo stream on my second monitor. 14minutes into the video they killed Sylvanas, what a great time for me to catch up on everything, cya next video
I always look forward to the reekly reset
This is how I got my hand mount: I've done all the rares for the Conquering Korthia achievement, one of which dropped this key for a Domination Lock and one just straight up a ring, Didn't think much of it until the Necrolord Assault started and I found some fun little chests, one of which contained a Quarteter Stone Ring. Also during the Assault, someone opened a portal to Exos, so I got 3 rings checked. Then I went to Wowhead to see where the other 2 are and boom 2 hours later I had my mount.
I feel like an at least ok solution to the US reset advantage for RWF could be, that the kills could be measured in "time since launch/reset", so if a US guild clears mythic sylvanas in 30 h after their reset and a EU guild clears her in 29 h after their reset, the EU guild would win, even though they got their kill after the US guild. But i don't know, if that would even be possible to measure or if all guilds would agree to it.
I want more twists! I hope we find out Sylvanas on mythic cant be defeated unless they had to do something in each mythic boss fight to trigger the sylvanas kill. Raid buidling limit break if you will.
"Ooooh no. This means I have got to re-do the entire weekly reset after raid" Tali, during our progression raid.
Also happy with our 3rd place! I feel like we can still get 2nd!
This might have been your best intro yet.
If a week ago someone had said their strategy was to die on a boss to despawn adds - we would have called it an exploit. When it was found in PTR, it was reported as a bug. If blizzard had stopped them mid-pull no one one have been shocked. The reason you feel gross about it now...is because it was an exploit.
Echo's job is to kill bosses, not perform to Blizzards liking; but lets not pretend it wasn't something that it was.
I disagree that it's an exploit. If anything, it's just bad encounter design.
Players just don't understand that Warcraft is told from multiple PoVs and each story told is a truth to their own PoV. The Cosmology Chart we know from Chronicles is the truth of the Titans while the new one is the truth of the Brokers. And before Chronicles we had the truth of word from the people of Azeroth, Draenor and Argus.
All believe that their view of the cosmos is the truth; without talking ill about the view of the others.
Ahh that was a great video! I might actually care about RWF next time you made it seem really exciting haha
I watch the RWF since a few raids now.
It’s so enjoyable and fun to watch.
@@CartmanRobin I stopped playing WoW around the time the original BC xpac was finishing up and only returned around the end of BfA. World firsts wasnt really a thing for me back then but I'm really enjoying (for the most part) discovering all the wider community that opened up around the game in all that time! I'll keep this in mind the next time a new raid begins, thanks
If it gets too hot the next time you record, may I suggest topless reset, but with censor blur to keep it all within TOS.
Imagine being able to play a game, and all the lore of it is inside of the game, not needing a book to understand the basis
Sorry WoW says "can't relate".
The reason people were upset with the discovery of 45% instead of 50% was that both guilds had essentially perfected every mechanic in every phase at that point. It looked like it wasn't a "oh we can't do it cuz of mechanics with current gear" and more of "we survived everything the way the fight is intended to play out, FLAWLESSLY, but not enough throughput possible to kill it either way", which would've highlighted how riddiculous the reset difference is to the supreme. But even through that, Echo kept finding strategies to squeeze boss damage, one of which got hotfixed 30-40 minutes into them testing it, and then finally managed to squeeze out 5% more damage (which is more akin to 10% on a normal boss), by playing like flawless machines the entire fight.
It's the first time I've ever followed RWF and it's been great fun!
Non-RWF question, Is Sylvanus in a unique raid boss scenario where she wasn't really defeated by us? We barely hurt her, it was a whole bunch of people and she wasn't really trying to kill us either (kinda not really) but was humbled by her boss? I think it's different to Garrosh as we defeated him at least
Can't wait to hear what you think about Blizz totally bitch slapping Echo by changing the fight mid pulls to nerf the strat that they had come up with to try and beat that last 5% since you didn't mention it in this video. XD
I’d love to see the reply to that, instead of this “Yay Blizz is great” when there’s very clearly issues.
I can see the rogerbrown memes coming thick and fast 🤣
I feel like being asked "are you gemmed?" Is a missed opportunity to not answer "I sparkle so hard" or something similar.
If ya look into taliesens eyes you see that he isnt BLINKING
It’s a sad day when even these videos dont give me any motivation to log on to retail
Easily my favorite wow Channel! ❤ love you guys!
What's the big deal about an extra 5%? I assume there's some kind of cumulative damage increase or debuff that makes the fight harder? Or did Echo run into an enrage timer? Because if there were so many indications that the Mythic fight *could* go to 45%, how were people not preparing for it?
Perfect timing. Love the content!
To further expand on the increasing Sylvanas' health thing, since I've seen that floating around a lot: It would do more than make the phases longer. If they increased her health to the point that the the total damage required is the same, but the kill happens at 50% instead of 45%, then it would make the P2+P3 damage check strictly EASIER by about 6%:
Suppose she had 100M health and dies at 45%:
Total damage required to to kill: 55M
She pushes to P2 at about 80% (which would be 80M health) and dies at 45M health.
Total P2+P3 damage required: 35M
Suppose instead that she had 110M health but dies at 50%
Total damage required to kill: 55M
She still pushes at 80% (88M health) and died at 55M health.
Total P2+P3 damage required: 33M
It's a difference of 2M damage, which is lowering the dps check by about 6%
Echo is so good at circling around what is exploiting and what is 5Head strats. Plagureboarers, KT trinket, and now Sylv tank solo tanking mini-boss causing Blizz to hotfix a change.
Blizz patching the trink shows they consider it an exploit. The only reason they did not revoke the kill is because Blizzard is desperate to limit any bad PR at this point.
Me with my big brain energy, some smart cliff traversal, and a wonderful invention helped me get my way to the raid entrance, will I tell, fraid not otherwise Blizz might try to "Patch" that wonderful method as well. Good luck all.
The fact people getting pissed about the cosmology chart is dumb, didn't they remember Blizzard said the one we 'knew' was written from the view of the Titans??
Years later. It was originally advertised as definitive lore.
People are upset, because Metzen (the creator of WoW lore up to Legion), wrote it into Chronicle as the definitive lore, with no writing in the book, indicating it was from the perspective of anyone. Then the people that took over, retconned and ruined all those potential storylines that he had set up for them.
Mythic Sylvanas doesn't die at 50%? Cool! . . . Mythic Sylvanas dies at 45% and does nothing new? Is that it? Da fuq?!
I fall into the camp that only an extra 5% with nothing new is a rather lame change. Make it 40% at least. And/or throw us on that middle platform for a final phase.
Those extra 5% are the current problem tho. Both echo and limit notice that they reached the max amount of dps they can do.
Right now the only way of winning is doing a perfect Boss run. No deaths only pure dps spam.
My comment on the intro: *laughs in tank*
Also in before it's not a mythic phase but Nathanos being a proper raid boss trying to rescue sylvanas.
I can wait to watch your video next week defending Blizzard against everything that is happening. Because, you know, that's what PR is there for, right? A little bit of mud in the waters, a little bit of why we shouldnt be worried because it has happened in other companies too, a little bit of "it wasnt everyone", a pinch of "we all love Warcraft".
You need to defend your close friends now. That special invitation to Blizzcon is not gonna write itself.
It's gonna be good, I know it.
Wait....what was the 'set' she was talking about picking up around Korthia?!?!
This RWF has been absolutely outstanding! Not only because of how close Echo and limit have been but also because of how close method and bdgg have been on their heels.
That said, Go NA :D
They need to have mythic difficulty open at a set time worldwide. They should inform the players what that time will be ahead of time and they can plan their sleep schedule accordingly.
As a female player AND Alliance...WHO in their right mind would think blizz would make their best protaganist DIE AT ALL???
There aren't enough quotation marks in the world to properly express """"""""""""""""best"""""""""""""""" in that context but the least we can do is try.
While I have no love for Sylvanas, she has always been one of the very top beloved/hated/talked about staples of Warcraft. One of the franchise's mainest of main characters.
Mhh one error. The 45% change makes only phase 1 stop at the same time. Cause Phase 2 is time capped. Meaning more damage in Phase 2 makes Phase 3 easier.
When Sylvanis is like, “feeling pretty good about yourself? Excuse me while I whip this out.”
Thank you so much for the video :)
The hotfix on echos blood DK cheese was savage. Imo they should have been given till the reset to get the kill with it, but they didn't need it anyway
An extra phase is exciting, 5% more hp is just lame and lazy.
I mean it's just what the boss is, nothing to be mad about
@@TheSilverwing999 I'm not mad, I'm not excited, it's just - meh.
I don't think it was meant to be exciting tbf. It was meant to make the dps check harder. The 'exciting' thing here was the drama of an expected kill not being one and the race continuing,
@@Elendrial The DPS check is already harder, that is a given when you go from normal - heroic - mythic. The arbitrary nature of having 5% feels real cheap. It does have the sense of something Blizzard have just done to cause some sort of stir and get people talking. I doubt for a second the raiders from Echo appreciated it. Personally I feel it adds nothing to the fight.
"Go and get me a boy"
-Talicles 390 BCE
So isn't that just bad leadership on the Echo side? If the data-mined 45% was already out there, shouldn't they have been prepared for the possibility? The idea that they'd be shocked by it seems naive.
I think the biggest shock is that she actuallydisappears for a few seconds once she falls below 50% then reappears and since she disappeared they thought it was over with
Should has suspected something was up when it was announced way ahead of time that Sylvanas didn't have a mythic only phase
just reaching the raid entrance..thats the funniest most truest shit I've ever heard!! spit coke out my nose all over keyboard..thank you!
I am really hyped about the race, shame KT and fatescribe have shown less of a challenge to them. But sylvannas seems like awesome fight for them. The intermission with chains seems less bad than they thought initially
You play until the whistle is blown not when you think the whistle or want the whistle to be blown.
So proud of my co-worker, Hulahoops!
Apply Aura: Triggers Spell Based On Health % (1)
Value: 50%
Value: 45% - Mythic
I'm no number scientist but I would have thought that that was a clue, Shaggy.
I don't even play wow anymore and i still like watching these videos. You guys rock.
Whoever kills it in the shortest amount of time after reset should win.
All competing guilds should have a speedrun style timer up from the moment the first player is loaded into to instance. The timer stops when the kill cinematic from the final fight begins. Lowest time wins. Easy.
This is the first RWF I've followed and its sorta been a rollercoaster. Big Limit fan but best of luck to Echo and the rest.
i love how Sylvanas actually wins in real life lmao XD
I love the hand Tali owned 😂
I just don't understand how you can say having the fight end on such an arbitrary figure is a good thing. The only purpose to have the fight end at an arbitrary number like 45% is for RP reasons, (or perhaps to avoid using execute abilities which this fight isn't). But for such a hard fight, it's not a good gameplay mechanic to essentially fuck over the player by misleading them and pulling the rug from underneath them. It's more of a sadistic troll than a funny troll.
It's not even a troll, echo players like to stoke the flames but they knew about the 45% aura string beforehand. They just didn't know if it was right or not. There's no reason to be mad at a boss for it literally just being what it is
@@TheSilverwing999 easy to say that after the fact. No-one knew it was 45%, that's a lie. Everyone thought it was 50% because why wouldn't it be, that's what was established in the other difficulties. That 45% could have been for anything, and we still don't actually know if that is the bosses health, though it likely is.
There is every right to be annoyed because it was purposefully misleading.
Although thank you bringing this up though, because expecting the player to rely on data mining to work out crucial things on a boss, such as what HP does it die at, is in itself bad game design too so that's added another point to my argument.
While the drama was fun and will go down in history as an epic moment, I was disappointed in the RWF troll to Echo. Not disappointed that the Queen didn't die at 50%, but at the lack of creativeness involved in arbitrarily moving the goalpost. A hidden phase to go along with it would've been much more exciting and fun than just, "kill her more." Whereas if at 50% she transitioned to a new hidden phase for another 5% or more, it would've been a much more exciting twist.
Or transition to a new phase, not only for 5% more, but for like 10-25% more... you need to drop Sylvy to 25% on mythic, THAT would be awesome too see, thus you do need more gear and new learning tactics to defeat her. Not just... big D dmg boooiiiissss
Take the portal to beastwarrens from Venaris refuge. From there go UP THE ROAD slightly and to the left you can just ride the rocks into the sky and goblin glider straight to the WQ boss/raid entrance. You're welcome lol.
It felt like Blizzard wanted the Sylvanas fight to feel a little more epic, conveying the mesaage "Did you think it would be that easy?" They could have really sold it if they had her make a quip at the 50% health mark.
Did they explain why they were both so sweaty in their home?
Hey!!... Age of Ultron was a great movie!
They could have had Anduin surprise 5%-heal Sylvanas when she reached 51% or something, that would have been a little less awkward than the 45% and would still have been a surprise. But was a very fun and intense tier, GG to the RWF guilds!
So the grimoire retcons the retcon? Good stuff...
I love that intro. So much I'm not even two minutes into the video but nonetheless had to dive into the comments and tell you this.
I absolutely love your videos! Thank you!!
Thanks for bringing up the point that any criticism is on blizzard, not on any players. Too many people hating on the people who have no control over how blizzard might implement something like this like the players of Limit.
The solution is simple, no need to change reset times, simply disable mythic until all region resets are done and disable again when Na gets into the next week’s reset until again all resets are done
I love T&E videos, so fun, smart and sweet. The best thing you can watch first in the morning.
does anybody know the name of the OST played at 6:12 ?.
Evitel is losing her American accent! :-) those 'R's' are starting to soften... and t's are sounding more like d's... Love it.
I'm not sure I agree with Helya being the most "baddie" of recent WoW villains, considering we have the Jailer himself and half-Sylvanas's genocide campaign, but Helya's definitely the most one-dimensional in terms of personality if that's what Tali meant. She has the same generic, uninteresting rage that Sargeras did. At least she's justified to be so angry, Odyn sucks, but man does she need to either grow as a character or disappear from the plot forever, I've been sick of her garden variety rage quotes since she was introduced in Legion.
Rogerbrown looks like a more skilled Taliesin from an alternate universe
The drama got even better when they hotfixed echos big brain strategy of skipping one of the big p2 adds, so they could use more cds on boss and got an extra 3% worth of damage, which couldve gotten them the push in dmg they needed to kill sylvanas
Me: What's the name of Taliesin & Evitel's baby again?
Tali: 24:46
More surprises please, love them
Honestly the new lore drops are HUGE. Anyone saying the story sucks or is cliche/fanservice are 100% not even remotely paying attention. Super pumped for the new cosmology as it seems to lead towards my theory that the Shadowlands & the Emerald Dream are actually connected.