MSI PLAYER TIERLIST ALL ROLES FROM MAJOR REGIONS - CAEDREL
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:05 - Top
00:14:45 - Jungle
00:36:08 - Mid
00:53:31 - ADC
01:07:00 - Support
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re watched this today and have been watching VODs of geng all day - i take it back, i think Kiin is the best top in the world and I put him over 369 - i disagree with some of my own takes from yesterday doing this live - his champ pool is not an issue at all, reksai nerfs help him , also re watched his lane phase POVs that I did with irrelevant and yeah this guy is just unreal - will no long do tierlists live again, arguments arent strong enough because i cant draw exact examples of the ideas i have of players in my head without putting enough time into it - im disappointed that i have to backtrack on one of my opinions
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Getting influenced by rats xdd 😂
Respect! hope he doesn't choke at msi
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Now we wait for Doublelift to review this tier list.
And then Dom to review the review of Doublelift.
Then we wait for Doublelift to review the review of Dom of Doublelifts review of this tier list.
Juicy stuff
then pedro review the review of them
absolute content
WAYTOODANK
I can feel that Doublelift will get triggered when he sees Caedrel put Busio C tier
@@desertreindeer Admittedly, Doublelift would know better than anyone how good Busio is.
The problem is, that he has no idea how good the others are compared. So I could understand DL defending Busio, but he can't, afterwards, claim Busio is better than Meiko since he didn't see Meiko play in years.
I swear if he put mikyx over keria
Just want Chovy to be recognized as he’s always been as the best. He doesn’t have inting peanut and dorunning-it-down-0-mercy
He put Mikyx in the same tier as Keria, which I still think is insane lmao. But at least he explains his points, even if I don't agree with some of them.
@@fanwee5048 kekw cant wait for geng to not win yet another international. wonder whats the excuse gonna be next. geng botlane sucks? or maybe kin and canyon inted him? who knows we can only wait and see.
to be fair, at the time mikyx was better than keria because mikyx was peaking and keria was choking
I swear people never take into account the players CURRENT performance, like MikyX was a better support than Keria AT THE TIME, is this so hard for people to understand? Go watch Kerias Camille games
I actually find it so sad Caedrel has to preface this video with "don't be toxic and flame each other in the comments". People need to seriously get out of this funk in the online sphere of arbitrarily being toxic to people just because they can't physically do anything back. It is so evident it is taking a toll on him because you see in his videos how much he wants to avoid all this drama and unnecessary toxicity but people just can't help themselves.
People just need to stop giving a shit about toxicity, stripping it of power.
@@Dickless that too, but easier said than done
I agree and disagree. People should be able to say whatever they want, and the internet being that barrier between people makes it so you can really put your opinion out there without consequence. But I’m just like everyone else, these commenters piss me the fuck off
Seeing Toxic comments are part of the fun tho 😂
"It is so evident it is taking a toll on him"
Holy parasocial. Bro is just trying to protect his image and distance himself from any potential drama or arguments. Caedrel knows how this community works better than any of us and he definitely understands that the toxicity/flaming are just a fact of life as an esports fan.
In Tian’s defense he did have to play against MilkyGoat all split.
I'll never forgive Tian for blowing up FPX, that was my favorite lineup of all time.
That disclaimer at the end Lmaoooo. He is tired of Doublelift drama
I think hes tired of drama in general. After T1 lose to HLE he was misquoted on what he said/read on-stream
He is tired that he is being used by two people(DL and Dom) to earn views
Doublelift is just a reaction channel now. He won't pass the opportunity.
There is no drama. IWD just tried really hard to make it into one. Absolute grifter.
Agreed with Guma, very much unappreciated or undervalued maybe because people don't like his arrogance or JKL playstyle but this guy has put 10/10 performances at 3 worlds in a row. Put some respect on his name
And he really does completely carry many games and completely destroys his opponent
yeah 3 worlds in a row he is a beast
Problem with basing performances purely on a short tournament is hard. He hit, and performed incredible but he could absolutely just miss... as he has in most lck splits.
he’s somehow underrated, i remember how hype i was for him when he first started playing with the main team and seeing his solo q clips from back then. he’s still insane, just players like viper and ruler overshadow him, Elk has been insane too
@@slendian the thing is you'd rather have your players peak for that short time. It is incredible that Chovy is on a 4 peat but we all remember the MSI/Worlds more than the domestic dominance. Whereas Canyon and guma might not always be the best during domestic play but is just a freaking monster come international tourneys
I agree about Gumayusi. People tend to under-evaluated Gumayusi because maybe like he doesnt carry enough etc BUT THEY FORGOT T1 TOTALLY DONT PLAY AROUND THEIR ADC. Gumayusi mostly consistent on his game lets be real. Who's consistent enough in those 5 games spring finals? Its Gumayusi. People criticize him so hard when he played bad once, but once T1 lost because of other lanes r making mistake, they forgot that Guma held the core hard. Such an under appreciated ADC.
i agree. Every important tournament or playoff bracket Guma will perform. Even in losing game, Gumayusi is stable af
Exactly, I've seen so many people saying that keria could be a better adc blah blah, but at the end of the day keria can only take those picks bc guma can manage on his on
Guma owns and steals Baron on redside all the time that it changes the tempo in favor of T1! Guma's living up to his ADC hype fr.
Exactly! People talking trash about Guma saying he has no impact at all, But if you watch closely, the reason Zeus and Keria can play whatever they want is because Guma can manage all the shits.
Omg based individuals agreeing here. Also think Guma has just been that stable rock/pillar throughout different series' the ZOFGK team played together
KERIA OVER MIKYX AINTNOWAY
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Keria in form the best supp ever
@@freakinboost7941 meme from last year bc he put mikyx over keria
Aside from memes, putting MikyX in the same tier as Keria, Meiko and Lehends feels kinda wrong. Although he’s the best support from lec, internacionally he’s kinda invisible (Agaisnt Lck and Lpl). Idk
@@NPCJordan I would put Keria and Lehends too together; the rest can fall off bracket A.
tian is my favorite jungler just because he represents the coinflip aspect of the game so well on one hand he literaly carries top esports through games and other times he solo loses the game in the span of 10 mins
Still 10x better than any EU jungler. Put him in EU and he’d 1v9 every game. Put Razork or Yike in LPL and they get hard gapped every game.
@@DanielDurham121 no doubt, the reason tian was so good at internationals is because of this high risk high reward plays that no one else in pro play does and chinese players have just studied tian as he is a world champ which is why theyknow how to play against his style
@@DanielDurham121 Delusional
@@DanielDurham121 Tian in EU would lose unless u put him in G2 then he always wins
Dude, the saddest thing for me is that Milkyway's plot armor couldn't get FPX to MSI. I wish Caedrel would've had to go back and analyze his gameplay
But Milkyway do need better teammates if he or fpx wants go to the worlds in summer
@@neko-otaku2935 Just imagine FPX have TheShy 😳
@@minhthang6789 milkygoat and theshy would be insane
Regarding your point around 34:00, I think your tier lists should be relative to the strength of the players within it (i.e. worst player in lowest tier, best player in highest). It doesn't really make sense to rank MSI attendees against each other while you're mostly comparing them to players that aren't even in the competition. Putting Umti in C or D tier doesn't mean he's garbage, but he's obviously not on the same level as someone like Tian. Ranking them relative only to other MSI players helps fill out the tiers and avoids these top-heavy tier lists where half the players are in one tier.
Exactly this. This is how tier lists should be done
Ranked 4 out of 5 BLG roles as S tier players with the exception of Bin. Yet, still rated the team as S+. So based, lmfao. There's a lot of clutch players in T1, don't ever count them out. I'll take the deal/bet: GenG doesn't get in top 2 in MSI they are never going to hyped by the rat kingdom domestically or internationally.
Food just finished then come to sit down to a hour caedrel video. Pure bliss..the shys sons should have been a tier
I’ve only just sort of discovered Caedrel’s channel/commentary/analysis and I love it.
I’d be interested to know if Caedrel would review how his tier list holds up after MSI and how his thoughts played out or how people surprise him in the international stages.
Seeing On go from being Swortarts replacement in Suning in 2021 to be considered the best support in the world now is quite a journey
Same with Elk man. I’m so proud of these two, I love players like this that struggled and had to climb their way up to the top. What a showing they had last year.
Canyon is just another class monster. When he plays international he always has a part of the series where it is all about him. Last year those graves and Rhaast game. This year was K6.
I completely agree with Keria he felt unbannable and unstoppable during worlds, the meta was very free.
now it feels like Delight over Keria right now. Keria also has the papa faker buff. for some reason it is a buff and no one can change my mind on it.
Time for the real Tier List, Vediussssssssssssssssssss
i will be waiting for the Prophet Vedius
Meiko is the all time underrated player. Bro is still here after 10 years and he can still play ranged very good, his duo with jackeylove feels like throwback to the Viper era. Last year he was very bad but EDG was collapsing and Uzi was giga washed. People don't rate him as high because he is rarely the best support in the world at X moment but he has been top 4/5 support for almost 10 years straight and there is only a handful of player who can say that about themselves in their position(basically only Faker and maybe Ruler)
Meiko was inting super hard in 2022 as well (with Viper). He has been playing much better this year, but he had 2 really terrible years.
Putting Zeus in A list is crazy and mark my word he will stomp every top laner like the last tournament.
probably, but this is current form and Zeus did not look extremely good in the final
Zeus choked got utterly gapped by Kiin
If you watched lck finals you’d understand it’s clear you didn’t
He is s tier, people only salty cause kinn played better.
if you watched the video he literally explains skill wise zeus would be S if he was more consistent
I would love if you did a number based rating based on a few factors like lane phase, team-fights, etc. That way it’s a lot easier to separate them into different tiers based on their score
25:00 Bo is the best example for that.
when he had a good team (+that spoke his native language so no coms issue) and a very good mid that plays around jungle he looked complete 1v9 in lpl.
but then in EU on mid/bad teams with coms issues he crumbles.
Drink a shot everytime Pedro says merchant
That idea of giving each player ratings (referenced early in the video) can be done in Excel/Spreadsheets. Put their info/photo with the given metrics for each role. Then you can give them a number value, and if you want, give them the tier value also w/o having to make arbitrary tiers (B, A+, S+, etc.) You can also aggregate all the numbered values to decide which players are ahead of each other in raw criteria.
go ahead, no ones stopping you
Yea i agree with the comments here, biggest miss is calling Kiin K'sante OTP when he was the only meta champ available after bans. Other than that solid list
I agree Guma is the best player on T1 right now
i think Zeus has the higher Highs but Guma delivers every important Game, is selfless in draft and his baseline gameplay is simply insane
GUMA 🙌
I can't wait for the doublelift response followed up by the iwd response!
What made keria a contender for best in the world at some point when he started playing ranged support is that his meta picks like nautilus were also completly insane. you had to pick your poison now he's kindoff a weird pick merchant.
Because you have respect for Gumayusi so I have subscribed to your channel. Thank you so much!!
42:00 chovy said himself that he found out that the match up was decent in soloq if corki just uses w to dodge orianna's q w
isn't corki W's cd much higher?
@@rayaqin ori q is like 6 secs early, ori w is just barely shorter than corki w
@@rayaqin I guess you’re right, if the ori knows this she can try to bait out his w, but if she doesn’t I guess the q w angles are pretty obvious for the corki. Dodging 2 q w’s is probably enough to change the dynamic of the lane, at least a little bit
I actually completely agree with ur list and arguments.
I really enjoyed this free form process and hearing your thoughts. If you dont want to do this live for tier lists, just a "my thoughts on each team" live would be sick. Love your content🎉
This tierlist is.. absolutely amazing. I really really like it, I think it's literally perfect.
There is no way there is a chinese equivalent of Caedrel is there? Someone who brings this much analysis and details to their league statistics content. It's so good for us interested, I bet people from all regions watch the rat king.
So happy Caedral watched LCS this year. I've always been a big fan of Caedral, but only watch LCS during the regular split. Appreciate the content
I agree with the Noah take tho might be biased. Fnc topside has struggled this split. Razork looked off it at times. Huma did regular season huma things. And oscar had a rough split. So Noah and Jun picked the team up and brought them msi. Noah still has things to work on. But he is improving. His mechanics are really good and his synergy with Jun looks incredible
You gotta give Jensen credit, he's been playing out of his mind recently. Definitely edges out APA if not Humanoid too. His baseline is lower than both, but he's been playing like someone else recently, kinda like Impact.
Watching you think these through outloud really shows why people tune into your stream over the official one
Not sure if you will see this, but would love to know if you have plans of casting, re- entering pro play, or coaching at all. Maybe a video about whats going on with the rat king!!
You had the right idea with Inspired initially. He has a strong pathing sense that is similar to how KR junglers operate. Mistakes are minimized, reads the game flow, and keeps progressing. He is definitely above the other Western junglers and honestly above Tian. If Inspired had what some of these others guys had? Ya, it would be incredible.
Humanoid gets too many benefits of the doubt after his countless errors. The only individuals from FNC who truly stand out are Razork and Jun. Noah did horrible in many fight situations.
Peyz teamfighting is not great in terms of taking ownership to win over pressure. He can clean up, make less mistakes. Overall though? Not that great and pretty much similar levels to Hans. Chovy helps bail him out in early game. Kiin helps out a lot in mid-late. Without those players he would never be considered there.
Really liked the listings still though. The support pool is strong. AD's a bit weak. And the comment to reverse Kiin's placement is good. He excels in so many aspects while requiring bans vs him. He deserves the top spot.
Is Kiin a K'sante merchant? Are you kidding me? T1 banned his Rumble, Twisted Fate, and Jayce at LCK final.
T1 is known for not banning the enemy top onetrick champ. Just look at 2022 Worlds Finals😂
K'sante merchant.
His rumble is mid, they banned tf and jayce because they still think range support is strong. His Ksante is ice cold, scary good. But not on the same level as his other champs
They banned his rumble because it was good against Zeus's champs not because Kiin is amazing on that pick. Also he can farm and use his ult wisely around dragon fights and it makes the game unplayable automatically.
you guys so foolish. Kiin is better than zeus.
I wish Oner's pathing would improve, his pathing gets in his way . Only exception was last worlds, my word his pathing and that Poppy vs Sej.
Hard to really vary your playstyle when you cant practice, so you just usualy stick to the more basic safest stuff
Hey Marc. Somehow only under your yt videos i cant adjust the quality of it. It is you, who's adjusting it? Cuz its kinda bad to watch in in 360/480.
Agreed with everything besides Keria analysis. How do we forget his melee support performances? Dude is a legendary Tahm Kench, Thresh, Alistar player. He has straight up carried countless games on these picks
Bro really keeps putting zeus in lower then S and zeus keeps proving he is the best top in the world, t1 just won worlds and he is still A mad.
For God's sake this is "MSI" tier list, based on their performance in Spring
@@slanderingyourfav2755 not completely he literally said he takes into account last years performance for some players (somebody didnt listen! ) absolute autismo.
@@slanderingyourfav2755 also a worlds champion is a champion untill he gets dethroned so womp womp
i hope you watched zeus getting omega gapped by bin
@@guilhermeamaral4602 didnt get mega gapped u high?
That 369 evolved is just a wrong description, because he was a carry player before playing with ruler.
I think he means that right now 369 is the most complete top laner in the world. He's in the top lane GOAT conversation, for sure. He was originally an incredible carry player, then played on a tank duty for the entire year and was the rock of JDG, now he's back with carry picks and still destroying everyone. He can play absolutely anything his team can possibly ask him on an insanely high level. If BLG win Worlds this year, 369 will be the GOAT top laner for me, because Worlds title is the only thing 369 needs.
HUH ? HE WAS Renek orn malphite otp in 2022 .
@@namfingerstyle8403 Most played 2022 are jayce and kennen. At least have some fucking clue before you start typing
no he wasnt, he used to only play tanks
It would be so fucking easy for you guys to research this.
2022 his most played champs were kennen and jayce.
Thx for beeing completely clueless but still give your opinion xD you guys belong to Reddit
Broken blade is probably really good at figuring out Player vs Player matchups, which would explain domestic success, as he doesn't have enough input data for international success
I really like your tierlist, especially the viper take on the adcs :D (big viper fan)
Can’t wait for Bb and Miky to prove you wrong for opposite reasons
They'll be smashed by asian teams lol
@@kaihyua6666 Least NPC comment, typical Asian bootlicker glory hunter.
BB gets embarassed everytime he plays against asian teams, to the point it becomes a 4 v 5 for G2
@@nassimnassim9214 'BB' gets embarassed everytime 🤡😂🤣🫵
The Creme analysis was really thin. Game one BLG had an entire comp to shut down Creme, and despite that he still performed very well. His game 2 he was the only person on his team doing damage despite 369 going 333 mode. Game 3 he was hard carrying and game 4 he saved the team so many fucking times.
He looked extremely good even if he wasn't on his champs.
I respect your choice. So don’t be intimidated and make a bold choice. your argument with DL is setting MSI on fire. Those processes are attracting attention. That's a positive effect.
Let's goooo! this is gonna be a banger, I know it! ❤
Botlanes should be rated together
We must ensure caedrel holds up his agreement; if GenG choke this msi, never trust them in internationals ever again.
Yeah i agree, if they choke with Canyon on the team then geng is just cursed internationally.
Faker is called Goat, but he is losing the final four times in a row to an overrated player
This is a comedy😂
Taking the Rat King's wager (I love bets) but not only internationally but also in LCK. No hyping them up if they choke again. They left T1 to 1 v LPL both in MSI and Worlds last year.
I love Keria, I really do. But I always get the impression that he as a player is really emotional and rhat he performs incredible when T1 wins, and struggles a bit when theyre behind or losing or lost the previous game hard. He always manages to step up though so well see at MSI. Hype 🎉
yeah, him and zeus can be like that sometimes but they are also crazy carry players that are willing to flank or flash at very crucial moments. keria is often emotional, but he also seems like the type of person that is willing to put his team on his shoulder. and t1 fans can by very toxic
with Jensen too I also think it depends on what the team wants from him. having him on Annie is so troll man, I miss 2019 Jensen :/
Kiins rumble was “ok”? Bruh. Did he not watch lck spring finals? His ults won them like 4-5 team fights back to back.
In order I got
Top : Bin Kiin 369 zeus bb oscar
Jgl : canyon xun oner razork tian yike
Mid : knight chovy faker caps creme humanoid
Adc : elk guma peyz jkl hans noah
Supp : on keria lehends mikyx meiko jun
not even rating NA players is crazy XD
Chek urself
if you pick any player above chovy you are just out of your mind... he is the best in the world right now
Thanks for your irrelevant opinion 😅
@@bladesd3v1l37 you dont watch lpl
Serious attempt to start a civilised discussion about Tian: let’s say he is a coin flip jungler, either he wins his team the game or he loses it with 50% probability. This is clearly not true since his teams has always had good win rates in lpl. It is a bit extreme to think that he completely determines the outcome of a game. Therefore we say tian decides 30% of games by himself instead.
he has some of the best teammates in the lpl, if hypothetically we would let his team play 1000 matches with caedrel jungle vs all other teams in lpl with caedrel as their jung. I think the win rate of the fpx line up would be 75%. Now we place back tian in the team. since tian decides 30 percent of games we remove them first evenly from the wins and losses( 225 wins and 75losses) resulting in 700 games remaining. This leaves 525 wins and 175 losses(still 75% wr of course). The 300 remaining games are decided by tian with 50 % win chance. This would bring the win/lose ratio 150 wins 150 loses and added makes 675 wins and 325 loses. Which is a decrease in win rate from 75 to 67,5. BUT if your team play vs better team(skt , blg , geng ) it will actually bring up your winrate. Let’s say fpx players excluding tian have 25 % win rate vs blg skt geng. You will have 32.5 % wr (525l, 175w +{150,150} -> 675l, 325w)with tian vs when you have identical jungle! Therefore, if tian is playing, their average end result may be worse, but in the scenario they reach top 4, you prefer to have tian over almost any other jungler
only major thing id change is zeus to B, sure his potential is high but man hes been running it ever since he stopped otping aatrox, solo lost t1 playoff games and finals
I mean, I could understand this tier list if I were on some kind of hard drugs or something
😂
I understand this list perfectly.
(I'm not hired by CCP)
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Bin benefits from Camille buffs the most out of all toplaners. Not only he is the best pro Camille player but he is also amazing at countering her with his champ pool. He is also historically good at blinding her into counters. However, I have a feeling Camille is super overrated and won't even be a meta pick at all and more be in a similar place like Syndra usually is in mid - aka more of a borderline meta/niche sometimes viable pick.
I still think 369 is better tho even if Camille is meta. He might be better then kinn in my opinion I am sold to idea that Kinn is just a ksante merchant and he will get exposed so hard in this msi.
Good tierlist. Only thing I think is gonna be pretty contentious is jungle.
Great list man. Honestly really in depth info. Man NA teams idk. xD
Canyon the 🐐
kiin is k'sante merchant? 'merchant' mean OTP am i right? tf?
last year msi bb was hard carrying g2 bro he aint invisible
I think it would be hilarious if ON OVER KERIA comes out of this tournament.
As a g2 fan I have no idea how you are putting miky over jun, what does jun have to do more to go above a guy who runs down more than half the games he plays. Also i dont see why you dont apply to miky the same mentality you apply to tian, when half his ganes he's as bad as it gets and the only reason he doesn't solo lose like tian is because of the role he plays.
Thats the thing. Jun is performing the best he can. But i believe both Mikyx & Jun are equally providing what their teams needs even tho Mikyx is running it some games. Mikyx & Caps are the fundation of G2's success while Jun is just a really good support. Iknow it sounds harsh on Jun, but Mikyx's gameplay can change a game that should be lost to a win. With Jun's current team/gameplay, he can't do that.
Cause mikyx s better and he plays better xd
Mikyx has more champion pool , playes better , roams better and has more mapa sense , un eu terms mikyx s 10 but jun is 9
@@RodrigodelatorreTorre😂 no way you said that when Mikyx int the season looking like a bronzie in some games, G2 bias hits hard always
Yeah his support list is awful to put it bluntly, even with him contextualizing it, Keria smurfs on bottom tier LCK teams that are still stronger than the entirety of LEC. Like if Keria is able to do the wacky off-meta against teams that are far above G2's competition in the LEC, and Keria can play meta and win against top LCK teams, how can Mikyx even compare when every finals and international performance Ive seen of him is running it down. I can understand that Keria is overhyped because of his style, but he is still a support vying for best in the world, and Mikyx ints every international.
But he put Keria and Miky in same tier, and Busio, a support who runs down less than Mikyx, is 2 entire tiers below Mikyx. I dont disagree that Busio should be at the bottom, young new player from LCS definitely belongs at the bottom, but Mikyx doesnt belong within a tier of any LCK support. Final note, while generally the leagues are LPL > LCK > LEC > LCS, I don't think every player ranking from Caedrel needed to be the same. It just made his bias extremely blatant as two supports who both had good regular seasons and inted finals are separated by two entire tiers, one of them completely empty.
Glad to see the guma rating bc so many people flame Guma for being the worst player in T1 and its annoying me a bit. Maybe I should just get off twitter
thanks for the content :)
its fair to be recency biased and base the tier on recent performance im a T1 fan and i do think T1 fell off a little bit in terms of their performance due to major circumstances but i wont go that far that assuming they won't work harder and ramp up going to MSI.
Hey there Caedrel, just wondering if u r gonna be fine with me translate this clip to Chinese and post it on Bilibili. Would be great to share your insight to some of the more isolated place on the internet and see how Chinese community would react.
I can't believe he put mikyx over chovy mid, and mikyx over faker in the all time GOAT list. Rat king 🐀
jackeylove vs noah would be insane
Caedrel basically said that Yike is the Ringo Starr of G2: good enough to roll with everyone on his team, always overshadowed by the teammates
Ur worried abt Kiin's champ pool? Lmao
WHERE'S JOSEDEODO MY MAN?
Son sólo major regions, no entramos las regiones wildcard
Él solo vio las regiones que aparecen en la lista, dijo que si hubiera visto las otras regiones obvio las clasificaría pero ya que no las vio pues no
I think GenG is unbeatable if Peyz can perform on MSI. He ist one of the best mechanical players in the world. Hope GenG botside will avoid their small mistakes and can show up on stage. Would love to see Peyz perform as he did on his debut year 🤩
My stocks are on yike in the future, he is realy young and its only his secound year in the lec and he is still one of the best if not the best jungler in eu. And i think he will grow alot and on some point he will be the best western player i believe.
If camille is op, then Bin is op. He was at one point, the absolute best camille player in the world.
add fiora irelia gwen and gangplank to the list also. basically if carry top becomes meta bin's gonna thrive
@@tehmastawow he was never the best fiora gwen irelia gangplank.
He was known as the 2000 lp camille onetrick, not 2000 lp fiora onetrick
@@gold9994 that was meant for the first part of your message. not that he's the best at everything i listed
@@tehmastawow Jax as well
@@gold9994 Best out of all the pros at least
remove healing BS tanks like reksai udyr in the meta, and bring back camille and carry tops, and zeus just smokes everyone again
Bro you realize Camille is one of the most giga annoying HEALING tops you're bitching about.
@@goozilla123 since when was camille a healing top ? im preetyy sure its her passive shield
@@kaysaiah3000 Camille W heals quite a lot and it's unmissable.
Jo, can you redo the tier list after MSI? How did the players actually perform?
Putting Faker on the same tier as Knight and Chovy is some crazy glaze.
dw boys if you dont like this tier list just remember hes the guy who put mikyx over keria so take his list with a grain of salt.
great vid, i only disagree with saying that jungle meta isnt great for t1. you named the jungle champs that are good right now like xin zhao, lee sin, viego, poppy and oner is ridiculous at all of those champs. i think oner and t1 in general really thrive when he can pick scrappy champs and fight the enemy for camps or crabs and get leads that way. thats why the game where canyon played kha he looked bad because kha counters xin and nullifies that scrappy playstyle. rell is the only champ oner is really good at thats out of the meta, but you could say that for almost any jungler. if anything i think not being assigned to rell duty will free oner up to showcase that scrappy playstyle
Good Content. Keep it up!"
Actually pretty solid tier list, good job rat king
theshy > all
Akali toplane make it happen
I mean, I don't know why you have to write the obvious here
my man couldn't hide his G2/Fnatic biais...
u should do a tierlist of all commentary from diff regions too
Great but Would be better if u put 1 in each role on top like the sup one
Elk and Chovy should really be in a tier of their own
Not at all. Elk gets gapped by ruler every time they play.
@@spurscoys7385 Can't find JDG in MSI this year
@@spurscoys7385 what does ruler even have to do with this video or conversation bro what 😭
@@quinnbrekker9467 chovy doesn't get gapped by anyone while elk does so they can't be in the same tier
@@quinnbrekker9467 shows elk ain't that guy
Kiin champion pool take is completely fried. Champion pool is one of his pros.
He dropped the „there is two types of jungler“ bomb again 😂
i feel like with T1 its always hard to rank their players because domestically they always lose to Gen.g recently, but internationals always stomps LPL. Zeus hardly loses to 369 or Bin in laning phase during internationals but gets shut down by Kiin in Spring finals😅😢 I think based on recent Spring events, this tierlist should be somewhat accurate but overall wise T1 should have their own tier "Unknown"
that was 369 on tank duty... 369 is back on form on his carry champ...Bin dismantled Zeus on game 2 of worlds though... Zeus did well on game 1 but if we include MSI Bin has the edge against Zeus
If T1 bans Kiin's ksante, they win one of those two games. CRAZY they didn't. CRAZY they banned Jayce lmao. Kkoma dropped the ball hard on that draft phase.
they were too afraid of Jayce they decided to perma ban it instead of just trying to see if Kiin will perform on his Jayce again like how Gen G drop the perma ban on Orianna and let Faker get it on game 5... they lack flexibility on this kind of tight match
You think that if Zeus said “let TF and Jayce through”, Kkoma would say no? 😂
Chovy is so fcking overrated. Dude consistently chokes in internationals and plays complete mediocre League of Legends but we always talk about how he's "best in the world". I'm sorry but no. I can see it this year I guess since they have Canyon (who I think is the ACTUAL best player in the world) but the problem with Chovy himself is that he is not aggressive early game, and is very susceptible to getting rolled by a team like BLG who choke you out early. He has no early game picks in his champ pool, he always prioritizes late game scalers like Corki, Azir and Aurelion Sol.
by your logic only faker is the 'not so overrated' mid laner in this list since only he is good at internationals out of all of them ? the list here is current form , not who has more international titles.. and also by your logic elk is not better than deft right?
@@bladesd3v1l37 the others don't have as much of a track record of consistently underperforming as Chovy does.
@@bladesd3v1l37 i get what you're trying to do here but nah no dice !! chovy has consistently sucked internationally for years now its tiring with the same narrative he is not the " best anything in the world" until he beat the best and win and dont get me wrong not a single measly msi will change that instantly but its a start
Why does Faker, called Goat, lose the trophy to a domestic champion for the fourth time in a row?
Many sports goats I know never lost trophies to domestic champions four times in a row
Thank you for what you said about Yike, he deserves a lot more credit imo ! There are a lot of games were he carried
I really wish the editor would also put chat in these videos