Tong Bei Kungfu Overwhelms Boxer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มิ.ย. 2024
- We have a Tong Bei Quan practitioner sparring a boxer. Let's see what the kungfu guy does well and what the boxer does wrong. Let us know what Tongbei moves you see! Please keep sending me Tongbei kungfu to analyze! Also, stay tuned to see me without braces!!
Original video that we analyzed is on Bilibili from this creator: 炎黄大汉猛士兮
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Timecodes:
0:00 Initial analysis
2:08 Slow motion analysis
3:35 First video without braces
3:54 Surprise serenade - กีฬา
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But but but but, it's never the real style represented EVER!! That's 30% of the comments on every video....
No but you and they misrepresented the style🤷🏽♂️it’s definitely tong bi. White ape and bi as in shou bi the whipping action… tong bei is thru the back.
i feel you dude
"My heckin science, there's no real boxin-ACK!!!"
It's never their art when It gets beaten down.
@@M-dv1yjTongbi is just the name of one Shaolin form, there is no style called Tongbi. There are several different styles called Tongbei, like the White Ape style you mentioned, Tongbei, not Tongbi.
@@Livingtree32 🫠🙃 wherever you learned that needs to stop teaching that as fact or you need to go back and study more. Either way 🤷🏽♂️
There is very much a tongbiquan that mimics the ape… the very movements in the video… it is not an internal art as shaolin is not internal. Tong bei quan however is internal and has relation to taiji.
Both are separate from each other and any shaolin.
Look up the white ape tong bei stuff and that is tongbi. Look up WomaoGui that is the only tongbei quan you will find on TH-cam . My credibility is as a generation disciple in that art. 🙏
I do plan on going around and having those tongbi guys stop stealing our good name.
There is a video on TH-cam in Chinese with me translating to English explaining that. Look up wumaogui tongbei and look for a video where is is talking with a mic and a big dude next to him (me).
He says it in Chinese and I translate to English it was at a big martial arts seminar. He was telling them that info cause there were tongbi dudes there and he was making it clear to everyone in front of them 😂 love that guy
@@Livingtree32 they deleted my reply 😂.
Tongbi is tong bi look up bai yuan tongbei and that is tongbi it is not shaolin but like shaolin it is an external martial art that copies animals. There is only 1 tong bei it is called HEYI TONGBEI quan which is internal.
The names are significant HEYI means unified tongbei thru the BACK refers to the pathway of power and the body structure to realize the dantien. It is very connected to taiji and from stories I have heard influenced the origins of Chen taiji. Tong bi (shou bi de bi) thru arms which refers to the whipping motion penetrating thru the target.
My credentials are as a HEYI tongbei disciple one of the few. Disciple of WumaoGui out of Shanghai who is himself the representative of the art.
I hope this one does not get erased. Look up Wumaogui that is tongbei anything else on TH-cam saying tongbei is just tongbi trying to take the name.
Really interesting. There's no denying those wide swings are biomechanically suboptimal, yet the advantage of hitting from unexpected angles seem to be almost worth it! Just as suffering with the braces is almost worth a new perfect smile😁
My impression is, it's a decent mechanism for coping with adrenaline dumping. If you're stressed or scared, it can be hard to apply fine motor skills, but wide looping movements like this can still be easier to pull off. It might be a decent training method if you aren't expecting to fight in an elite competitive environment, and just want to reach a point of being "good enough" to defend yourself in a stressful fight scenario. Outside the confines of a competitive environment, even pro fighters often become too scared to apply their best strategy (one pro fighter for example said that by far his scariest fight was against a smaller, untrained home invader.) So depending on what the purpose of your training is, it might be worthwhile to focus on techniques you can apply in those sorts of situations.
Tongbei training seems to have some ways to make that kind of flailing strike hurt very, very much, I recall it's something about unusually flexible scapula that Tongbei practitioners specifically train for. They also condition their forearms for both the flailing strikes and to defend against the same flailing strikes, and this may catch others by surprise when they attempt to block the flailing strike without the same conditioning.
@@user-lu6hp8nx1jDo you have any Tong Bei sparring footage? This video is the only one I was able to find.
I think the boxer was either unexperienced sparring or didn't use head gear before because he had bad range, had to readjust his equipment, and sometimes led with the face instead of his hands. Tong Bei looked right at home.
The cross arm guard was a pretty strange choice. I'm surprised anyone gets taught that at a regular boxing gym
E: I'm aware it's in boxing repertoire, but it's advanced stuff relying on much better reads and timing than a novice has. Here it's used as a crutch for not having good distance sense to complement a normal guard
Dude never throws a punch with his feet set. Kung pow guy is slap fighting at best. 😅
@@patrickblake4376 to your point I don't consider either player good here lol
'Why do birds suddenly appear?', I carry breadcrumbs.
I will do a serenade in every video from now on.
Hopefully, we can make a joke out of the lyrics, bear that in mind.
Congrats on the braces removal! I had a feeling this happened because your voice was much clearer. 🙏
i fw tongbei. they hit really hard when they have the right conditioning, and they understand the mechanisms of their techniques. i love the odd whip and hammer strike techniques.
That is tong bi in the video. Not tong bei.
He looks like a fighting cat
Kung fu be like this
It's awkward but it connects I think that's why the boxer feel overwhelmed
1:09 that's the pek that xu xiao dong's iron palm guest didn't train to generate power for. the boxer looks like intermediate or beginner level at sparring, but I've been saying beginner boxers would get destroyed like fake kung fu guys so this is just showing that. the kung fu guy here also looks to be in between intermediate to advanced level sparring, just higher than the boxer. Neither are pro level (not considering taxi driver pros ofc).
I used the tong bei strikes as a bouncer they work very well . Also when you go to court the video footage and witnesses show you slapped the assailant it does not look as bad as if you punched his lights out and you don't break your knuckles. Very street effective.
Thats very interesting!
The boxer doesn't seem to be much of a boxer
Now you know how people feel when it's the other way around
@@godhandninjacause that boxer really sucks put a pro boxer and a traditional kung fu master, boxer wins always
@@flowrepins6663because there’s no such thing as a pro traditional kung fu practitioner.
🤡
@@flowrepins6663the standard of kung fu has degraded rapidly, so your statement is “mostly” true, but usually more so in regards to self-proclaimed “masters”. As recently as the turn of the last century there were many kung fu master who defeated western boxers who wanted to prove boxing was superior when they came to China by testing her martial arts. Despite the kung fu masters being at a huge disadvantage, fighting either under “boxing rule” or “fists only” they still defeated their opponents despite this huge handicap, what’s more, their opponents were convincingly defeated by a wide margin, despite challenging and goading kung fu master to fight them at their own game. You probably don’t care about all of the political and socioeconomic reasons that kung fu has degraded so rapidly so I will spare you and won’t bore you with the details. And you may have possibly already made up your mind, but for anybody else reading this who is a kung fu practitioner or enthusiast; flowrepins6663’s statement only holds true in the last couple decades or so, and typically only if we believe whole heartedly that all self-proclaimed kung fu “masters” are indeed masters. You see the trend continue; anyone else with an axe to grind will post a fight or a sparring session video to TH-cam with a kung fu guy verses any other kind of martial arts practitioner, and guaranteed that as long as the kung fu guy loses, they are posting to TH-cam as fast as possible and making doubly sure to refer to the the kung fu guy as a “master” in the title of their video.
I watched a video once that explained that tongbei's advantage is its primarily a movement principle, with specific conditionings for moving in that manner. They dont bog themselves with chained choreographed techniques that, as ppl would argue nowadays, dont work in a ring. So when a tong bei person starts to learn boxing, they learn with an open mind while also bringing their unusual striking patterns to the table. U can c him doing a lot of movements that many would consider suboptimal yet he's able to do it FAST, which is down to their specific shoulder conditioning
What’s the link to that video? This is good stuff.
Where was the boxing. Smh
The doggo likes the new looks of you 😄 Nice result of the ortho!
Nice video, by the way! 😄
If you check out 2.18 - the slow mo replay reveals the boxer getting assaulted by the little girl in the background. No wonder he didn't perform better than he did!
appears Tong Bei leaves his midsection very open & the "boxer" is head hunting.
Yep
Tong Bei reminds me of Bolivian and Peruvian women fights. You going to preview those fights?
Head movement, overhands, and attacking right after parrying seems to be Tong Bei Quan used a lot.
Good stuff. And congrats on surviving your braces!
Thank you!
The apelike up and down motion is also done by ufc fighter Jiri Prozazcha. At 2:42 he got in a good left.
Yeah maybe the boxer was amateur but that doesn't necesarily make him bad . those slap type hits from tongbeoquan really hurts cause those are also present in CLF which is one of the most effective stylw of kung fu even thai kickboxers sometimes get hit by those strikes
He’s not even amateur lvl lol you can legit tell by his footwork and punch placements that he doesn’t have fights on him and doesn’t spar
Try this against Terrence Crawford 😭
1:07 The weakness of those大開大合招數- easy to get counter by a straight punch
the Tong Bei guy did better than most 'masters' just one movement we can see - he kept protecting his head
Cool stuff
Boxing fans crying in the comments section
bro u got ur braces removed? whoaa that was quick
time to spar again i see :3
He swings punches, up down, like that
Not the face catch with the punch throws
2:17 The girl Harassing the Fake Boxer.
I swear I thought the title read Toph Bei Fong.
I would say that the boxer is a lower mid level at best. His skills were fairly remedial. I dont know enough about tong bei to speak on its use here, but it did look like he could be somewhat effective in this situation.
Congrats on the braces.
its hard to understand your range, if you arent familiar with / cant understand your *opponents* timing.
tong bei has strikes that start behind them, and travel far, but their techniques speed/time to execution isnt linear, so its hard to gauge when youre safe or when youre in danger. theres so many beats in the rhythm where you could be in danger, it doesnt feel safe to stay in your range. you feel like youve got to find openings into your range to attack. but when you do, you get pushed out because you cant time your blocks to their strikes.
looks really stressful lol.
I don't think the boxer was that highly skilled thus the Tong Bei guy was able to get away with his hands flailing all over the place.
Mr slappy slap, slaps Mr cant boxy box.
I don't think that's a gym and just some kind of commercial building lobby
Boxer with NO undercuts? NO face/ body combinations? ONLY overhand jabs? …strange…
Tong Bei guy had fast hands but he had smaller gloves and those strikes by Tong Bei is palm like strikes, wondering if that is allowed in UFC
Oh yeah, definitely people overestimate the speed an overhead can take. And it is painful no matter where it lands.
Limb conditioning is a must.
Congrats on getting your braces off, you also have a great singing voice
Thank you so much!!
Also, he's got work. Keeps crossing his feet over.
I meam, the tong bei guy understood range, meanwhile the boxing was a bit underwhelming in terms of decent skill. Either way seeing unorthadox styles are always interesting
Tong Bei guy is wearing significantly smaller gloves. I've been in that situation before, where I have small gloves and the other guy has big gloves. The speed advantage, plus having hands that can fit through narrower gaps, is unreal. I'm not disqualifying Tong Bei guy, but the unequal gear is a problem.
EDIT: Congratulations on finishing with the braces! Teeth are looking good!
If boxer just covered up more and held his guard, then advantage would be his, but he fell into the small gloved game.
@@FightCommentarythis “boxer” has 0 footwork or punch placement lol he has 0 fights amateur and doesn’t spar. Not a boxer. He’s a dude who goes to a fitness boxing gym 🤣
Homie got a voice
The 12yr old boys and girls club heavyweight champion
Nice tong bei
Get the permanent wire retainer on the inside of your teeth. Regular retainers are a pain and if you stop using it, your teeth will float back to crooked.
The best part about the fight was you removed your braces, must be great
You think this guy would get blown up after one round with all that swinging?
nah
Those are hammer fists and not strikes or punches. Congratulations on your braces removal, now you have a million dollar smile …
That's not a boxer. That's a kung-fu guy just using "boxing."
How about the Blake Griffin fights? Was his opponent not doing Muay Thai?
Jimmy neutron Head
Anyone who knows anything about boxing, knows thats not a boxer!
People have no idea how strong those whipping attacks are. They penetrate deep. You can’t block them, only evade.
Just imagine Tong bei. guy the damage he could do in the streets!
Nice teeth bro. Time to get back into the gym
…and no foot movement? …strange…
He's fighting like an angry girl in the 6th grade 😂
He is chopper those are chops that hurt
This boxer is obviously average level or lower, but may it be that he's not used to haymakers because he only spars with other boxers that use the "correct" boxing techniques?
And kudos for your great teeth, singing ability and beautiful loving doggo.
A boxer that's a chump
Not sure that boxer has really been trained. It looks like he's never learned head movement and he's not holding his hands like a real boxer.
Guy on black shirt not really a legit boxer
Not tong bei. It’s tong bi. VERY DIFFERENT.
This IS NOT a boxer.
I'm just going to point out the obvious: the boxer is not good and could probably be similarly overwhelmed by anyone aggressively entering his space and flinging hands.
He's not a boxer.
Stop trying to put two different styles together man boxing is boxing kung fu is kung fu
This boxer keeps dropping his lead hand down after a jab, crossing his legs, leaning forward with his head, im sure there is more im missing. He looks horrible.
THIS IS A FIRST CLASS JOKE, THE FAKE BOXER IS A JOKER, HE SPENT MORE TIME HOLDING HIS OVER LARGE HEAD GEAR, THE KUNG-FU MAN WAS FIGHTING LIKE A GIRL WITH WILD SWINGS.THE BOTH OF THEM LOOKED SO RIDICULOUS, MY 9 YEAR OLD SON COULD BEAT THESE TWO GUYS TOGETHER WITH ONE ARM BEHIND HIS BACK.
Bro has zero idea what he’s saying
@@mee2ube PUT THESE KUNG-FU NONSENSE FIGHTERS IN A BOXING RING OR MMA GUYS, THESE BS FAKE FIGHTERS WOULDN'T LAST ONE SECOND.
Neather of these 2 guys are Kung Fu or Boxing experts. All I see is 2 beginners who don't know how to throw punches correctly. The Boxer is flat footed and keeps crossing his leg stance and the Kung Fu guy I don't see any Wing Chung trapping techniques, all I see is a bunch of slapping like a girl would do in a fight. 😅
Tong bi and tong bei are very different th-cam.com/video/OD0WETfpmNA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=GggygpZ82sIT_8VE
Not a boxer hes so flat footed stance is wrong
This Sir. Is not a boxer. Head hunts, can't gauge range, changes stance and zero head movement.
That's not a "boxer" in the western sense. We don't cross our arms the way he did.
I don't see any real boxing techniques. He's a "kung fu boxer"
Why not a Karate boxer or a Taekwondo boxer? Why specifically Kung Fu boxer?
@@SirPlusOfCamelot sure, why not. That's why I specified "western style"
I see neither kung fu nor boxing skills...
Paid actor? kekw
He is not a boxer.
This a joke?
Maybe just me but they both look bad fighters
More flash than smash.
not really, tongbei punches are very heavy and smash the guard of a boxer with ease
Atrocious footwork from the “boxer”
Boxer can't box
Both were horrible at their craft
Boring, excuse me,...zzzzz
Not much of a boxer
Looks lame
.....boxer is wearing real boxing gloves(12 to 14 oz), tong bei is wearing mma gloves(4 to 6oz)with open fingers.
what gives?? Fixed exhibition
Shit comment section
Tong Bei guys forearms are too skinny. Whip-like strikes non existent.Boxer is pretending to be overwhelmed. Load of BS
Boxer??? Where?
This is cap. Body was open too much. Would have been crushed with a real puncher.
I love the word “cap.” I learned to use it last year!
what a joke.
whats this, slap-boxing?
clearly you've never been punched by tongbei guys
@@Purwapada ooo im shaking.
thats why theyve never been in any credible MMA?
lemme guess: the style and strikes are "too deadly".
lmao, gimme a break.
they could always call up xu xiaodong.
@@thekaizer666 are u stupid? You have no way of knowing its it been used by anyone who does mma.
What are you talking about being too deadly? Honestly your idiotic comment is actually so childish and irritating.
Im sorry, but the Kung Fu guy looks like that skinny bearded middle aged guy who fights wildly. I don’t think Kung Fu guy has much power in those strikes, lol.
Boxer aint even a boxer.
Not much of a boxer