The Four Color Map Theorem - Numberphile

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  • @jimthompson3053
    @jimthompson3053 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2594

    It's not just useful for drawing maps, either: the same principle allows cell towers from interfering with each other, by using four sets of frequencies. Using four sets of frequencies, no adjacent cells have to use the same frequencies.

    • @jimthompson3053
      @jimthompson3053 7 ปีที่แล้ว +229

      er.. prevents, not allows.

    • @edaedaedaedaeda-u2g
      @edaedaedaedaeda-u2g 7 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Interesting, never thought of that.

    • @iycgtptyarvg
      @iycgtptyarvg 7 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      Fantastic example of applied math.
      Personally, I like explaining people how the principle of GPS works (in simple terms with as little actual complicated math as possible).

    • @a24396
      @a24396 7 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      That's such a terrific example! You just blew my mind!

    • @IONATVS
      @IONATVS 7 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      Fester Blats And because real countries can have exclaves and enclaves--regions that are legally part of a country while not being connected to that country by any actual land. Such things violate the premise of the 4 color map theorem (regions are required to be contiguous in the theorem), and allowing them is the same as allowing intersecting edges in the equivalent networks--a map could be made to need as many colors as you arbitrarily want by using such territories

  • @proxy1035
    @proxy1035 6 ปีที่แล้ว +529

    I love how all this started with some guy filling out a map with colors and noticing that he only needed 4

    • @amaanali9525
      @amaanali9525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Some maps ACTUALLY don't work with this

    • @user-zz3sn8ky7z
      @user-zz3sn8ky7z 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@amaanali9525 example?

    • @amaanali9525
      @amaanali9525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@user-zz3sn8ky7z the ones made by Susan Goldstein.

    • @user-zz3sn8ky7z
      @user-zz3sn8ky7z 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@amaanali9525 that was interesting, thanks for sharing! Although I'm not sure if it counts as a "map"

    • @amaanali9525
      @amaanali9525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@user-zz3sn8ky7z oh okay your welcome

  • @timsullivan4566
    @timsullivan4566 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I never thought I would say this of a mathematician, but I don't believe I could ever tire of listening to James Grime. I actually find myself smiling far more often than was likely ever the case back in my school days. Thank you Dr Grime.

  • @a025822369
    @a025822369 4 ปีที่แล้ว +281

    omg watched this mindlessly 3 years ago when i was in high school then here i am studying graph theory in college coming back to see how it actually works like an hour before midterm

    • @PrivateSi
      @PrivateSi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The graph solution is much more complicated than mine... In 2D, the maximum number of nodes that can be connected to each other (each to each) without connectors crossing is 4.

  • @davidyoung6331
    @davidyoung6331 6 ปีที่แล้ว +613

    I recall an issue of Scientific American back in about 1974 (more or less) that had an article that purported to show 7 amazing recent discoveries. One was that the best first move in chess was shown to be h4, another was a logical way to disprove special relativity, another was that Di Vinci invented the toilet and another was that someone came up with a map that required five colors. I can't recall the year of the publication, but I can recall the month. The magazine came out on April first......

    • @edsanville
      @edsanville 6 ปีที่แล้ว +90

      @@error.418 April 1st. Think about it.

    • @galactica58
      @galactica58 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I like this comment.

    • @willyantowilly7165
      @willyantowilly7165 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      h4 is the best first move in chess? This has to be a joke.

    • @XenophonSoulis
      @XenophonSoulis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      @@willyantowilly7165 April 1st

    • @expertoflizardcorrugation3967
      @expertoflizardcorrugation3967 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I enjoy stork theory of reproduction papers

  • @iancopple5649
    @iancopple5649 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    11:06 I'm currently studying Actuarial Science at the University of Illinois (same awesome school as Appel and Haken). You wouldn't think the Four Color Map Theorem would show up in an insurance internship, but I showed this theorem to a few of my coworkers and they made a colorblind-friendly map of the U.S. for me to use in a project. Thank you Numberphile!

    • @coleabrahams9331
      @coleabrahams9331 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Ian Copple OMG!! Actuarial science. I’m 17 and I would also like to study actuarial science as I’m tremendously interested in maths. Please tell me about it. I couldn’t do job shadowing during the school holidays (vacations) due to the coronavirus pandemic, but I would really like to know what it’s all about. People have been telling me that I should study actuarial science, but I don’t really know what it’s about. Please provide me with some idea of how it is like, etc.

  • @bentleystorlie8073
    @bentleystorlie8073 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I learned this in a book called "betcha can't" (which actually has a lot of the problems I've seen on Numberphile). But the story was that the father died and his five sons inherit his land. In the will it says they can divide it up however they want, but each plot needs to be all one piece and must share a border with all four other sons' plots.

  • @mazingzongdingdong
    @mazingzongdingdong 7 ปีที่แล้ว +256

    everytime i take a test i imagine that he's looking over me and kinda guiding my way to success lol

    • @klaud7311
      @klaud7311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sounds like you envy him more than you admire him.

    • @solarean
      @solarean 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@klaud7311 for me sounds like he just likes the attitude of this guy idk lel

    • @nosuchthing8
      @nosuchthing8 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wouldn't that be great. His IQ must be off the charts.

  • @thepip3599
    @thepip3599 7 ปีที่แล้ว +332

    What if it was in 3d? like, with colouring 3d spaces instead of 2d shapes. Maybe filling hollow glass chambers with coloured liquid. How many colours would that take? Would there be a limit?

    • @thepip3599
      @thepip3599 7 ปีที่แล้ว +116

      On second thought, I've realized it would almost certainly not have a limit. In 3D, you can have tunnels going through stuff to other stuff. That doesn't really work in 2D.

    • @MikeRosoftJH
      @MikeRosoftJH 6 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      It's even worse: even when we require that each region of space is a rectangular box and the boxes are orthogonally arranged, it's still possible to create a division which requires arbitrarily many colors.

    • @sergey1519
      @sergey1519 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      no because you just can take map, then get line going from first country to every other country at next z(if map is at level(z coordinate) 0 just connect first country to every else country on level 1) then connect second map to any other at level 2, then connect third map to any other at level 3 etc.
      You have infinite plane so you can connect every country to any other country if your lines are are small enough(so you can just say that they are have width of 0).
      I hope you understanded what i writen there cuz i don't really know this language.

    • @ethendixon4612
      @ethendixon4612 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I'm gonna assume it would be 8. I can't back this up . . . but I think it's related by 2^dimension.

    • @greysquirrel404
      @greysquirrel404 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Or in the other direction let's consider the problem in 1d. If you had a series of connected line segments and a line segment had to be a different colour to the one(s) connected to it. How many colours would you need?

  • @ontario2164
    @ontario2164 5 ปีที่แล้ว +276

    6:03 careful dude you're gonna summon the devil

    • @capy9846
      @capy9846 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Michael Darrow
      Nah I just watch video’s upside down for fun

    • @dondeestaCarter
      @dondeestaCarter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      JuliasJulian. Cool!! So "Ontario" reads "JuliasJulian" when upside down? Wouldn't have expected that!!

    • @ValkyRiver
      @ValkyRiver 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      6:14 Exclaves: am I a joke to you?

  • @TheOfficialCzex
    @TheOfficialCzex 6 ปีที่แล้ว +185

    Enclaves and exclaves can not be considered as the theorem requires *contiguous* regions. The term "map" in the theorem refers to a physical map as opposed to a political map. This could be confusing to grasp after watching this video as they refer to real-world examples as well as abstractions.

    • @error.418
      @error.418 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yes, this video has a restricted problem space. But it's still interesting to then talk about an extended problem space and consider what the solution is to that new problem space. The four color theorem doesn't work in the new problem space because the country and its disconnected exclave must be the same color. Because you now have two areas that don't share a border that must be the same color, you've added a rule which can require more than four colors.

    • @error.418
      @error.418 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@carnap355 No, it doesn't work because the country and its disconnected exclave now must be the same color. Because you now have two areas that don't share a border that must be the same color, you've added a rule which can require more than four colors.

    • @TruthNerds
      @TruthNerds 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      ​@@carnap355 That's not what *exclave* means, you are confusing it with a specific type of *enclave* I guess. Exclave is an *additional* territory politically belonging to one country but completely surrounded by foreign territory. Enclave, on the other hand, is any country territory completely surrounded by another country. The theorem allows for any enclave that is not an exclave, otherwise you'd run into the problem mentioned by Anonymous User.
      Here are some real-life examples for all cases:
      US mainland - neither an enclave nor an exclave
      Vatican city - an enclave (of Italy) that is not an exclave (because it is the sole sovereign territory of this state)
      Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic - an exclave of Azerbaijan that is not an enclave of any state (i.e. not completely surrounded by any other state).
      Karki - an Armenian exclave *within* the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic, so it's both an exclave of Armenia *and* an enclave of Azerbaijan. Featured in the movie "exclaveception". ;-) (West Berlin is another. historic, example of an exclave that was also an enclave, because it was an additional territory of the FRG aka West Germany, but was completely surrounded by the GDR aka East Germany.)
      The latter two would impose additional constraints (i.e. if Nakhchivan and Azerbaijan, or Karki and Armenia, rsp., have to have the same color) and therefore might "break" the four-color-theorem.

    • @AK-dp8uy
      @AK-dp8uy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What about water?
      Why is water, the "background color" of a world map, not considered a color that counts?

    • @Rannos22
      @Rannos22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a cheap cop out given the first examples were political maps

  • @abidhossain8074
    @abidhossain8074 4 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    0:04
    "It's easy to state"
    I see what you did there..XD

  • @aurelia65536
    @aurelia65536 7 ปีที่แล้ว +659

    "Let's try making a map that requires five colors"
    *second map drawn only has four sections*

    • @o76923
      @o76923 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Technically the space outside counts as a region as well (and can include lines that continue for eternity).

    • @dancrane3807
      @dancrane3807 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ikr

    • @lilyfm7152
      @lilyfm7152 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That was drawn to illustrate the network.

  • @p.mil.1147
    @p.mil.1147 7 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    14:14 look above the o there are 2 yellows

    • @brokenwave6125
      @brokenwave6125 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      There are six colors on that "map" so its not really meant to be an accurate example.

    • @Joe-qm9cp
      @Joe-qm9cp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gasp

    • @uxleumas
      @uxleumas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      culd have been pink

    • @IHaveaPinkBeard
      @IHaveaPinkBeard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's pretty bothersome given the video topic

    • @janprevratil1015
      @janprevratil1015 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brokenwave6125 I think he wanted to be colored with 4, but he gave up :D

  • @FreshBeatles
    @FreshBeatles 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I love this mans enthusiasm

  • @zombiedude347
    @zombiedude347 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Back in the windows xp days, I'd make images in paint by making one arbitrary continuous path both ends on an edge of the image. The curve would intersect itself at many points, but never intersect itself multiple times at the same point. I found that you could always cover the "map" created using these restrictions with exactly 2 colors.

    • @tfae
      @tfae 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think this is the "even-odd rule" in computer graphics.

  • @XiaoyongWu
    @XiaoyongWu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    While watching this, I thought at 3:23, you could leave the last quarter circle border unclosed and make a bigger circle around everything. With the existing coloring, it looks like that would need a fifth color. But, after more thinking, it's doable by some shifting on the colors used earlier

  • @Lockjaw_Larry
    @Lockjaw_Larry 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Four Color Theorem: Exists
    Enclaves and Exclaves: I'm about to end this man's whole career

    • @montanafisher8996
      @montanafisher8996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exclaves and non-contiguous countries might throw a wrench into the cogs, but I think you might just have to shift the colours used to make it work in four

    • @williamchaney448
      @williamchaney448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@montanafisher8996 But you could certainly conceive of a map rich in exclaves and enclaves such that you'd need more than 4 colors...
      If a map includes 5 countries, and each country has an enclave in literally every other country, they'd all need to be different colors.

    • @williamjones3313
      @williamjones3313 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@williamchaney448 Would the dual graph be planar?

  • @Robertlavigne1
    @Robertlavigne1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thanks for the nerd snipe numberphile. Every time I see this theorem stated I always end up taking a stab at finding a weird case to disprove it. Today I was so close to calling a math friend to show him my counter example, before realizing I had a colour wrong.

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Real maps can require more than four colours, if there are exclaves that need to be coloured the same as the main part of the country.

  • @patrickhodson8715
    @patrickhodson8715 7 ปีที่แล้ว +564

    0:16 Dang foreigners colored Michigan two different colors lolol

    • @feli-the-sunfairy
      @feli-the-sunfairy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@yesno1498 that is true, but has nothing to do with the fact that Michigan is to large.

    • @tandemrecruit
      @tandemrecruit 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      but then at 1:47 they have it right XD

    • @theblackwidower
      @theblackwidower 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@yesno1498 So when factoring in enclaves and exclaves, how many do you need?

    • @leonhostnik9516
      @leonhostnik9516 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@feli-the-sunfairy Take up all complaints with the state of Ohio on that one, regarding the Toledo War

    • @the_real_ch3
      @the_real_ch3 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yoopers gettin no respect

  • @shivpatel8288
    @shivpatel8288 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Conjecture: Every video of Numberphile requires extensive recursion.

  • @branflakes2600
    @branflakes2600 7 ปีที่แล้ว +397

    Yes! James Grime!

  • @homopoly
    @homopoly 7 ปีที่แล้ว +217

    0:15 Did they just colour Michigan wrong?

    • @jakec904
      @jakec904 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      what?

    • @hjorth3387
      @hjorth3387 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The purple and blue state?

    • @homopoly
      @homopoly 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah.

    • @optimist2301
      @optimist2301 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unchi what?

    • @lyndonhanzpernites5860
      @lyndonhanzpernites5860 7 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Michigan was filled with two colors. (Being separated by the Great Lakes.)

  • @richarddeese1991
    @richarddeese1991 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Really interesting video; great job! I myself spent a lot of 'doodling' time back in the 80s trying to find a counter example. I also don't like the computer proof for the same reason you stated: it doesn't teach us anything but that some result is true. We don't know WHY it's true. But to me it boils down to a topology problem, not a color problem. I state it thus: The greatest number of closed figures which can be drawn on any 2D surface such as a map or globe in such a way that every figure touches every other figure along a side, is four. You'd literally have to put another figure into the third dimension, making it go above or below the 'plane' to connect it to other figures, thus forcing a 5th color. You simply can't do it any other way. That is what makes the 4 color conjecture true... but, of course, that is not a proof in itself. But I can tell you that I'm done doodling with it. I'm satisfied that eventually, someone will prove it with geometry or more likely topology. Rikki Tikki

  • @sophieeula
    @sophieeula 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i don’t know why i’m watching these math videos at 3 am bc i truly don’t understand them but everyone in the vids seem to so i keep on comin back

  • @carsonianthegreat4672
    @carsonianthegreat4672 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The problem with this is that not all countries are contiguous, and so enclaves can force a hypothetical map to use more than four colors.

    • @MichaelDarrow-tr1mn
      @MichaelDarrow-tr1mn ปีที่แล้ว

      do you mean exclaves

    • @tylerbird9301
      @tylerbird9301 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MichaelDarrow-tr1mn an enclave is just an exclave of a different country.

    • @MichaelDarrow-tr1mn
      @MichaelDarrow-tr1mn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tylerbird9301 no it's not. an enclave is a country entirely surrounded by a different country

    • @tylerbird9301
      @tylerbird9301 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MichaelDarrow-tr1mn
      enclave
      noun
      a portion of territory within or surrounded by a larger territory whose inhabitants are culturally or ethnically distinct.

    • @MichaelDarrow-tr1mn
      @MichaelDarrow-tr1mn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tylerbird9301 a portion can be 100%

  • @Wolfsspinne
    @Wolfsspinne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The system doesn't work for exclaves.
    In an infinitely complex map each country would have infinitely many exclaves, connecting it to each other country.
    1) Make a map that has 7 countries, put them wherever you want on your map.
    2) For each country create 6 exclaves, being enclaves to each of the other countries.
    3) Color the map using only one colors for all territories each country.

    • @juanignaciolopeztellechea9401
      @juanignaciolopeztellechea9401 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The theorem only couts CONTIGUOUS countrys.

    • @LuKaSGLL
      @LuKaSGLL ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought about that too, when I noticed on every map Greenland and French Guyana were coloured differently than Denmark and France, respectively. But another comment on here asked about three dimensional "maps" and the answers were obviously you could make objects on 3D touch infinitely more than on a 2D plane, and I came to the conclusion that exclaves essentially make the map "3D", since an exclave would basically mean a tunnel outside of the plane is joining two or more objects. This theorem only applies in 2D.

  • @teh1tronner
    @teh1tronner 7 ปีที่แล้ว +187

    What really bothers me is that countries exist on a spherical surface, but the four color map theorem only works in a Euclidean space. Theoretically if a country stretched around the planet, planar graphs that include k5 and k3,3 subgraphs become possible.

    • @vangildermichael1767
      @vangildermichael1767 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Awesome point. I hadn't thought on the 3 dimension thing. I like the brain treat. yum.

    • @ZayulRasco
      @ZayulRasco 7 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      /dev/zero You can map a sphere to a 2d surface and preserve the properties we care about regarding the 4 color theorem.

    • @andreashofmann4556
      @andreashofmann4556 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      But you lose the looping around bit, which i think is what he's going for?

    • @rubenras1399
      @rubenras1399 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      /dev/zero ii

    • @Korcalius
      @Korcalius 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      And what if a country has a colony or more? Its technically still the same country.

  • @AlbySilly
    @AlbySilly 7 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    3:40
    Aww I was hoping for the Chrome logo

  • @douira
    @douira 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "I don't know why, but he was" seems to be true for a lot of math

  • @GreRe9
    @GreRe9 7 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Is there a reason why James says "network" instead of "graph"?

    • @lucashenry2556
      @lucashenry2556 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I think it's because he's focusing on the importance of the vertices, not the edges. That's just my guess though. I would have though he'd have called them graphs too because they would all have Euler characteristic 2

    • @JM-us3fr
      @JM-us3fr 7 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Green Red The average person recognizes the word "network".

    • @1990rockefeller
      @1990rockefeller 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      gwuaph. Just kidding. He is awesome!

    • @EMETRL
      @EMETRL 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      because real life applications of this idea often come in the form of actual networking

    • @cheesebusiness
      @cheesebusiness 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because he speaks the British language

  • @RalphDratman
    @RalphDratman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is an excellent, clear presentation by Dr. Grime.

  • @noide1837
    @noide1837 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you. I'm writing a paper that involves this, and I was really struggling to explain it. This video will be added to my citations.

  • @malik_alharb
    @malik_alharb 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    i love how hes always so happy

  • @azimjaved3243
    @azimjaved3243 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "So, Let's talk about the Four Colour Theorem!". James Grime video, After all this time!

  • @earth11116
    @earth11116 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I always thought of this when looking at maps of me in class. Like "hmmm i wonder if i could force two of the same color to be beside each other with only 4 colors"

  • @mathtexas968
    @mathtexas968 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Congratulations on 2,000,000 subscribers!!!

  • @martinwood744
    @martinwood744 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I thought I'd broken this when I first heard of it. I imagined two concentric circles with the inner one being split into quarters using a line going from top to bottom (the whole diameter of the inner circle) and another line going from right to left across the circle(again, the whole diameter), forming a cross. The inner circle then resembles a cake cut into four roughly triangular sectors. My (erroneous) thinking was that all four quadrants of the inner circle touched at the centre and so would require four colours, and then you'd need a fifth one for the outer circle! BUT......although it may look as though the four quarters touch in the middle, they don't. They can't. If two diagonally opposite triangles touch, then they sever the connection between the other two diagonal areas.

  • @toonoobie
    @toonoobie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    I found a map which requires 5
    But the comment threads are too small to hold the answer!

  • @riccardopratesi7943
    @riccardopratesi7943 7 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    What is the least number of different texts for students at an exam, so that two nearby students don't have the same text? Obvious: 4. It's an application of this theorem.

    • @irrelevant_noob
      @irrelevant_noob 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Depends on what you mean by "nearby"... if it were to only apply to orthogonally adjacent, the answer would be 2. :-B

    • @relaxnation1773
      @relaxnation1773 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      And if they are in a star formation this is even more wrong. Students don't have borders like counties do, so it is how you decide what their "borders" are.

    • @DheerajAgarwalD
      @DheerajAgarwalD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@relaxnation1773 I think the statement holds. It's the same as map coloring. You can fill star formation or any planar formation with less than four colors, so "at most" you'd need 4, no matter how you choose your seating arrangement.

  • @irrelevant_noob
    @irrelevant_noob 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    11:51 paper shows 1936... Reading it out loud: "one thousand nine hundred and thirty _eight_ ". Eh well, close enough. :-p

  • @saabrinaadan3110
    @saabrinaadan3110 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    But what if you have 5 different counties/countries meeting at one point?

    • @man-qw2xj
      @man-qw2xj 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Saabrina Adan points have no area. While a convergence, the fact that the convergence has no area invalidates it.

    • @o76923
      @o76923 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Those 5 countries cannot all share a side with each other one; only a point.

    • @CalifornianMapping
      @CalifornianMapping 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Though such things are possible in the world, here they are simply not considered to be borders.

    • @zahidhussain251
      @zahidhussain251 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Actually this leads to the answer. In whatever way you draw four areas where each one is touching all the three, there is no way you can draw a fifth one which touches all four.

    • @ProfessorX
      @ProfessorX 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Zahid Hussain are you sure? What about a circle with four divisions nested inside a larger circle (like a ring)?
      Edit: I redact the above. I just learned about enclaves and enclaves.

  • @damamdragon73
    @damamdragon73 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Easy to... “state.” *brings up and starts coloring map of US*

  • @ajpdeschenes
    @ajpdeschenes 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I love the fact that this was a problem that I loved to do in my school books since the age of 9 maybe, not knowing that it was a well known mathematical problem!
    Reaching 30... I realise that I had deep questions about many things in science, like the prime numbers sequence, the problem of perception vs. attention in psychology, the philosophical question of time and other type of questions that if I had spend time on it... who knows what I would have found!

  • @thommunistmanifesto
    @thommunistmanifesto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The picture of the map at 1:40 is actually in correct, you can see that both the netherlands and france are colored green but on the island of saint martin they border. The island is split between them both.

    • @MistahPhone
      @MistahPhone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But here we are talking about mainland Europe

    • @manioqqqq
      @manioqqqq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1. The islands are (i think) not a part of the countries
      2. That is clearly yellow

    • @thommunistmanifesto
      @thommunistmanifesto ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@manioqqqq neither france nor the netherlands are yellow, and saint martin is considerd thier territories

    • @manioqqqq
      @manioqqqq ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thommunistmanifesto either i am colorblind or you are, but they're clearly yellow.
      And, in the problem ignore the island border.

    • @isavenewspapers8890
      @isavenewspapers8890 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're allowed to color a country in two separate colors. It's just that each region individually has to be a single color.

  • @filipman
    @filipman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    At the end those *yellows touching* in the top right are annoying me

    • @danielsantos3254
      @danielsantos3254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And the single purple section on the left

  • @9thfromthestar
    @9thfromthestar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    6:19 it makes sense if you have exclaves/enclaves. Right?

    • @manioqqqq
      @manioqqqq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are off in the quadracolor theorem
      And,
      🟥🟦
      🟦🟥
      Is valid.

    • @isavenewspapers8890
      @isavenewspapers8890 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In the real world, yeah, but not in the context of this problem.

  • @richm6633
    @richm6633 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This one took me nearly the whole video to wrap my mind around. Just trouble visualizing. But it just shows how amazing these videos are that before the end they got me there ;)

  • @foomark21
    @foomark21 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Small point: Dr. Kenneth Appel is pronounced Dr. Ah-pel not Dr. Apple. (Source: he was my independent study teacher in high school - he had retired by that point)

  • @Pseudo___
    @Pseudo___ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    so this is assuming maps cant have non contiguous sections? Some coutries/gerrymandered districs/ect can get weird and have breaks .

  • @jimmyfitz-etc7031
    @jimmyfitz-etc7031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i tried coming up with a counterexample with some very strange shapes and i found that no matter how you shift around the shapes and borders, every door you shut will open another. it reminds me of that impossible puzzle where you have three houses and a source of oil, electricity, and water and you have to try and connect all three sources to each house without interesting pipes

  • @tiffanie5012
    @tiffanie5012 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for the video this was really interesting, especially about the first case wich has used computer assistance as a proof, and just as a remark the guy in the video seems very passionate that gave more value to the video

  • @DrSnap23
    @DrSnap23 7 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    Summoning Satan at 6:06, I see what you did there.

    • @Squideey
      @Squideey 7 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      This is Numberphile. They were summoning Pythagoras.

    • @JimSteinbrecher
      @JimSteinbrecher 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      surely, 5474N

    • @CH3LS3A
      @CH3LS3A 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They were summoning Fermat's "I have a proof of this..." proofs.

    • @gyrfalcon23
      @gyrfalcon23 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      this shape is a pentagram, but not inverted as in satanism

    • @unity303
      @unity303 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it had to work @11:06 where it's actually 666 seconds, what did he do there...

  • @fladmus
    @fladmus 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This one guy, on this channel. Is making me care about more interesting aspects of math. Seems his name is James Grime. Man I hope he's a teacher.

  • @lagcom
    @lagcom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What about exclaves? Shouldn’t they be the same color with their mainland?

    • @piguy9225
      @piguy9225 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was just thinking about that. If you color enclaves the same as the mainland, you could forces a situation where you would need more than 2 colors. I don't think there is any case a something like that happening on real life, but it is possible.

    • @piguy9225
      @piguy9225 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      *4 colors, not 2.

    • @jako0981
      @jako0981 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@piguy9225 Yes there is you mongoloid

    • @RazvanMaioru
      @RazvanMaioru 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jako0981 I'm sure I don't need to tell you how racist using "mongoloid" as an insult is...
      you're lucky more people didn't see that

  • @lolsluls995
    @lolsluls995 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yeayy james grime! james grime! james grime! Forget about Terence Tao, James Grime is the sexy mathmatician celebrity we need.

  • @adamhannath1417
    @adamhannath1417 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about portions of land held by a country to which the portion is not connected, or exclaves.
    For example, 3:25 say there is a small country between pink yellow and blue but the country also owns a small sliver of land between yellow blue and purple. Both portions of this country would have to be the same colour to show dominion but together touch all four colour of the wheel, it must therefore be colour five. There are real instances a country being separated by other land masses (eg. Nakhchivan).
    I realise this is pedantic as the problem is supposed to only work with solid land masses.

  • @emilyp7362
    @emilyp7362 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hmm wow it really is impossible. I tried it for a while, and after a minute, I realized that once you get to the fourth color, no matter how you draw the last section, it either cuts across one section(which means that the cut off section can be changed) or it doesn't touch all other sections, meaning I still use four colors.

  • @TheThunderSpirit
    @TheThunderSpirit 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this problem is all about 'graph' theory in particular colouring of 'planar' graphs but u never mentioned any of these terms and the Euler's famous formula
    R=e-v+2

    • @marios1861
      @marios1861 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      its an example showing how connected graph theory is to topology.

  • @trexaz19
    @trexaz19 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Am I missing something here? The example he gave for a network that couldn't be a map very much could exist. What if you had a map of say 65different countries separated like a pie? All 5 countries would be touching every other country; therefore, you would need 5 colors. A situation like this exists between Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Utah (only with 4, all states are touching each other). So this would be a similar situation just with 5 states (or countries). Like @10:47 Fig 6 only where b and e are touching as well.

    • @arnouth5260
      @arnouth5260 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Corners don’t count as borders

    • @richarddeese1991
      @richarddeese1991 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A 'network' can be drawn such that more than 4 colors are needed. But it doesn't correspond to a real-world map. I tried this for years, just doodling to amuse myself. You can't draw more than 4 closed shapes that all touch each other along a side! You'd literally have to veer into the 3rd dimension to do it. But I still think that computer proof is pretty rotten. What did it teach us, except "Beep. Here's your answer. Beep." tavi.

  • @archiehellshire1081
    @archiehellshire1081 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This wouldn't work in Terry Pratchett's Discworld (completely flat planet sitting on the backs of 4 elephants, standing on top of the giant turtle, A'tuin), in which borders also have height and depth. The Dwarf Kingdom is entirely subterranean and runs underneath Ahnk-Morpork, Sto-Lat, Borogravia, Uberwald, Lancre, et al. Because their map is three dimensional (four dimensions if you count the Fair Folk, let's not) you couldn't swing it with just 4 colors.

    • @TheOfficialCzex
      @TheOfficialCzex 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol

    • @hevgamer6087
      @hevgamer6087 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      the 4 colors theorem is only for 2D maps, if you go to 3D, you can make maps that require infinite colors

  • @alex_meli
    @alex_meli 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What about enclaves and exclaves? This could create some of the situations you presented as "impossible"

    • @OleTange
      @OleTange 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes. And they should have mentioned this.

  • @macaroni9496
    @macaroni9496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:15 did he count the U.P. of Michigan a state? Or is it just every separate landmass with borders?

  • @coling1258
    @coling1258 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I know I'm late to this conversation, but it got me thinking. I think it can be put more simply, actually, although mathematicians might not like it as much. Here goes...
    With all of the parameters already set (contiguous borders and the like), the question becomes, can you:
    1. Create a theoretical map that requires 1 color? Yes, duh.
    2. Create a map with 2 colors? Yes, you just need 2 touching areas.
    3. Create a map with 3 colors? Yes, like a pie cut into 3 slices, each piece touches both of the others, so 3 colors required.
    4. Create a map with 4 colors? Yes, take the pie from before and make the center its own area that touches all 3 of the original slices.
    5. Create a map with 5 colors? No. Here's why. Imagine 5 squares arranged into a cross or +. One in the middle, and one each on the top, bottom, left, and right. Right now, you only need 2 colors, as the outside squares don't actually touch. So, let the outside shapes bulge a little and touch their neighbors (top now touches left, right, and center, left touches top, bottom, and center, and so on). Now, you need 3 colors. Why not 4? because right now, the shapes on opposite sides of the center square don't touch and can be the same color. Let's try to fix that! Take the top shape now, and stretch it around to touch the bottom shape. Awesome, now we need 4 colors, since the top and bottom cannot share anymore! Now, let's go for 5! Currently, the only shapes still sharing colors are the left and right shapes, so we need to get them to touch. But wait, to get the top and bottom to touch, we had to go around either the left side or right side (we'll say left, but it doesn't matter). The right shape has no way of getting to the left now! Well, what if we cut under the top? Oops, the top and center are not touching anymore! Well, what if we slice through the arm connecting top and bottom? Well, then we're back to where we just were with top and bottom not touching. Feel free to play with it and make the shapes weirder, but you cannot get all 5 shapes to touch every one of the other shapes without breaking a connection that you had previously made. Even if you add a sixth shape wrapping around the outside of the whole mess, it will still be separated from the center square and will be allowed to use that color, unless you break one of your earlier connections (at which point, what have you accomplished?).
    All of the nightmare with proofs and computers and whatnot may be needed for mathematical certainty, but if you cannot get a mere 5 or 6 shapes to need 5 colors, then adding additional shapes just aggravates the issue of fighting for connections.
    I tried to keep that whole thing simple enough to sketch along if anyone cannot follow in their head. My apologies, and thank you for coming to my talk.

  • @TheWeepingCorpse
    @TheWeepingCorpse 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    im writing a compiler and this reminds me of cpu register coloring.
    @QVear for some reason I cant reply to your comment, I've created a language that mixes together parts of C++ with BASIC.

  • @TXKurt
    @TXKurt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:50, if there must be a country connected to five or fewer others, that means we must be excluding infinite maps, right? Does the four-color theorem also hold for those? What about maps on a sphere or torus or... ?
    Edit: Lots of information on these cases on Wikipedia.

  • @lockrime
    @lockrime 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Numberphile: It's possible to paint a map with only four colours.
    Exclaves: *I am gonna end this man's entire career*

    • @EricTheRea
      @EricTheRea 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You don't understand the problem.

    • @OleTange
      @OleTange 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EricTheRea @Lockrime understands the problem that Numberphile stated. You can blame Numberphile for not stating the problem they look at correctly. (Hint: They are not looking at political maps).

  • @CoolExcite
    @CoolExcite 7 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    Anyone else try to draw a counterexample is ms paint and miserably fail?

    • @erichiguera
      @erichiguera 7 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      the network at 6:08 can actually be drawn as 5 countries. just make a
      circle and divide the circle into 5 parts. since all 5 touch in the
      middle, you need more than 4 colors

    • @orionmartoridouriet6834
      @orionmartoridouriet6834 7 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Throbbin So Hard Frontiers cannot be made only by one point, so the center of the circle doesn't count as a valid frontier

    • @skyr8449
      @skyr8449 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yeah, I have basically shown to myself how things need to warp to do it, and as I knew it would be impossible, I have found something so sadly close that it kept cutting off the strands of color of other things.

    • @CraftQueenJr
      @CraftQueenJr 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I succeeded in makng one on my channel..

    • @JohanBregler
      @JohanBregler 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I found one, but I don't know where to submit it

  • @ThankNephew
    @ThankNephew 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a computer science student currently learning Boolean algebra, de Morgan’s name sends me into a fiery rage

    • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
      @lawrencedoliveiro9104 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t know why. His theorems are so straightforward. It’s like basic knowledge that every programmer should have absorbed into their DNA.

  • @nextlevelnick9339
    @nextlevelnick9339 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I tried to draw a counterexample for ten minutes then decided, I’ll take his word for it 😂

    • @dancrane3807
      @dancrane3807 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Umm, originally it took 120 years. So, get back in there!

    • @permafrost0136
      @permafrost0136 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try using enclaves or exclaves you can easily get a map that needs 5 colors

    • @permafrost0136
      @permafrost0136 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Michael Darrow no but they may cause two countries that border each other the be the same color

  • @SashaPersonXYZ
    @SashaPersonXYZ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    so sad he had to use 5 colors to color the square space map.

    • @parad0x448
      @parad0x448 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Sashamanxyz 6

  • @philipphaselwarter2287
    @philipphaselwarter2287 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a regrettable choice not to mention Gonthier and Werner's work on establishing the correctness (and improving) of the proof.

  • @luck3949
    @luck3949 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    What about maps on other surfaces, like torus?

    • @ffggddss
      @ffggddss 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      The question had been long-settled on all the other 2D topologies, which was another thing that made the 4-color problem so galling.
      For the torus, the maximum number of required colors is 7.
      For the Möbius strip, the Klein bottle and the projective plane, the number is 6.
      And for other, more complicated surfaces, the problem was solved long ago.
      But for the plane/sphere (which are topologically equivalent), it remained unsolved for ages.

    • @JohnnyDoeDoeDoe
      @JohnnyDoeDoeDoe 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ffggddss Links?

    • @ffggddss
      @ffggddss 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem#Generalizations
      goes into the case of the torus, e.g.

    • @JohnnyDoeDoeDoe
      @JohnnyDoeDoeDoe 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks!

    • @Necroskull388
      @Necroskull388 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      IIRC, the plane and sphere are technically only homeomorphic if you remove a singular point from the sphere.

  • @fornkly
    @fornkly 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    4:29 The Deathly Hallows... J.K. Rowling was secretly a mathematician
    "After all this time?"
    Always.

    • @Irondragon1945
      @Irondragon1945 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a fake quote! He never said that

    • @Feuerpfeil369
      @Feuerpfeil369 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Irondragon1945 the actor didn't say it but Snape did if I remember correctly

    • @Irondragon1945
      @Irondragon1945 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Feuerpfeil369 I think a fan on tumblr said it about himself, and some people then attributed it to the Snape/actor persona.
      I am 80% sure, but I wouldnt know what to quote.

    • @Feuerpfeil369
      @Feuerpfeil369 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Irondragon1945 at least in the German Version it is like that. When Harry watches Snape's Memory's in DH. After Dumbledore tells him Harry has to die

    • @JG-ld6cf
      @JG-ld6cf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Irondragon1945 it definitely says it in deathly hallows

  • @jankisi
    @jankisi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I was in middle school (Year five or six) I thought it was the three colour theorem and proved on a map in the back of my exercise book that it wasn't possible to colour it with only three colour

  • @איתןגרינזייד
    @איתןגרינזייד 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I found a map that needs five colors but it's only in my mind, the map is too big for the observable universe.

  • @schonerwissen2013
    @schonerwissen2013 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This video and the problem were quite interesting! But the end was...somewhat unsatisfactory! :(

  • @baileymendel2979
    @baileymendel2979 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    at 6:03: you can draw a map of the five countries if you imagine the polyhedron from the top. It would be a bit weird, but the countries could theoretically intersect at a single point

  • @shinjinobrave
    @shinjinobrave 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    11:00 The final solution was done by significantly more than two guys :s

  • @laurencewilson6163
    @laurencewilson6163 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What if u have a country that is split ip

  • @thomasmiller8289
    @thomasmiller8289 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do spherical maps have a different color theorem? Or do they still count?

  • @timsolnze7300
    @timsolnze7300 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Hi, I want to make friends. I am interested in math, especially in geometry. I found myself alone. No one want to talk with me about math. And I interested not only in math but also in education system and science.
    That was vague, I have nothing to say more. I'm just a little bit sad now.

    • @MOHAMMADALAHDAB
      @MOHAMMADALAHDAB 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There are a lot of people who like to talk about math :D
      Check the facebook group:
      >implying we can discuss mathematics
      and the group:
      Mathematical Mathematics Memes
      for some quality grad level mathematical memes :3

  • @Vjdkgaming
    @Vjdkgaming 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    WOw i think someone has made a mistake 14:14 look between the first letters S and Q

    • @janmalek9794
      @janmalek9794 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Actually he used 6 colors ;)

    • @Vjdkgaming
      @Vjdkgaming 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow i'm colorblind :D

    • @otlat
      @otlat 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also there is a yellow connected with yellow under the letter "O".

    • @redbeam_
      @redbeam_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      you mean above the letter "O"

    • @Kourindouinc
      @Kourindouinc 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's a Parker Coloring Session.

  • @heimdall1973
    @heimdall1973 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If the map is such that in any point where more than 2 countries meet an even number of countries meet, you can always colour it with 2 colours.

  • @iotashift
    @iotashift 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    0:16. Michigan is two different colors.

    • @manioqqqq
      @manioqqqq ปีที่แล้ว

      In the map, the disconnected are disallowed. So, Michigan is 2 countries.

    • @microwave856
      @microwave856 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@manioqqqqthey both can be blue while still following rules

    • @diegomo1413
      @diegomo1413 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same with Maryland and Virginia. The part under Delaware, which contains a portion of Maryland _and_ Virginia, is colored blue, while Maryland and Virginia are colored yellow and purple respectively.

  • @therealdave06
    @therealdave06 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The key to breaking this:
    Enclaves and exclaves

    • @seanleith5312
      @seanleith5312 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      and draw three lines that intersect at one point, his law is broken.

  • @michaelgoddard1435
    @michaelgoddard1435 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what about at 1:48 where the 4 corner states touch point in the USA specifically Colorado and Arizona are the same color green and touch... seems off a bit doesn't it?

    • @TomasAragorn
      @TomasAragorn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We don't consider areas that only border in a single point to be neighbors. Otherwise, you can let a 100 areas border each other and you would need 100 colours

  • @mihailazar2487
    @mihailazar2487 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would imagine that if you wanted to make a map that requires 5 colors you might wanna try drawing it on a donut because of the specific priorities that the toroidal shape has this making it possible to make said map

  • @madlad255
    @madlad255 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    0:05 'It's very easy to state'
    *shows a map of the United States*

  • @Nilslos
    @Nilslos 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would say I'm also a bit numberphile (that's why I study computer science), but I'm far from being as numberphile as you are. When I watch you're videos I get more numberphile, but I can't keep up that level. If I could get near to being as numberphile it would really help me at university, but although I can't I really enjoy watching you're videos :-).

  • @DemianNuur
    @DemianNuur 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    13:11 Wow! New haircut!

  • @NoriMori1992
    @NoriMori1992 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A lot of commenters think they've found a counterexample, when what's really happened is they either didn't examine what the theorem considers "adjacent" ("What about five countries that meet at a point?"), or they tricked themselves into thinking their map needs more than four colours when it doesn't ("What about one country surrounded by four countries?").

  • @whywelovefilm7079
    @whywelovefilm7079 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn’t think it was possible.
    Congratulations, you have made coloring complicated...

  • @missingno-xk7kp
    @missingno-xk7kp 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "so the final solution..." 10:59

    • @Reeceeboy
      @Reeceeboy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You deserve to wake up at 3am then fall asleep all warm in bed.

  • @hadhave7961
    @hadhave7961 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    11:02 Imagine being named WolfGang, what a badass

  • @gaberockmain
    @gaberockmain 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m slightly confused about this one here. We’re there certain parameters I missed that limited what countries could look like on maps?
    If you have a circle with a cross in the middle, evenly splitting the area of the circle into four sections, then have a country surrounding the entire circle that looked like a ring, would you not need 5 colors for that?

    • @genericusername4206
      @genericusername4206 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      all simply connected maps can be coloured with 4 colours or less
      also i think your example cannot be made into a graph/network
      you have not discovered a new discovery or something, 5 colour theorem has been a thing for a while

    • @genericusername4206
      @genericusername4206 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      i think i figured out how your example can be solved using 4 colours or less
      the hint is that the countries can be the same colour if they shâre a corner but not if they share an edge

  • @danielboland6578
    @danielboland6578 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0d maps use 1 colour, 1d maps use 2 colours, 2d maps use 4, 3D uses 8. 2 to the power of n?

  • @manta894
    @manta894 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    what if the map is on a globe and goes around?

    • @bluerizlagirl
      @bluerizlagirl 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Then you have a three-dimensional shape, and the rules are different in three dimensions .....

    • @gencshehu
      @gencshehu 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The surface of is a two-manifold, that is, it is two dimensional. If the 'surface' was three dimensional the rules would be different.
      But this really points to the thing itself: what's the relation between dimensions and is there a continuous translation between dimensions?
      Fractals, for example, can be described as non-discrete dimensional objects. They would be the answer to the question of what does it mean for something to be 1.5834... dimensional, that is, non-discrete.

    • @manta894
      @manta894 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yea thats why i asked.. if earth had no sea you would ned more than 4 colors, im I right?

    • @Deadfunk-Music
      @Deadfunk-Music 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Actually no, as long as you stay in 2D (even on a globe's surface) it can all be done with 4 colours.

    • @sk8rdman
      @sk8rdman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You could color all of the oceans as one blue section, and no country adjacent to the ocean would need to be blue.
      One thing to note about coloring something like countries, specifically, is the fact that a single country might sometimes be divided by other countries or a body of water. In this case, it won't always be possible to color all isolated sections of a country the same color. This is purely a topology problem, and sometimes political dynamics can break the rules.

  • @jsax4heart
    @jsax4heart 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do other countries math courses prefer the term graph or the term network? Its interesting how he mentions the petersen graph and planar graphs.

  • @jmkbartsch
    @jmkbartsch 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Yes, and then someone said: "Hey, what about exclaves?" - And the theorem was rendered useless.

    • @brianbethea3069
      @brianbethea3069 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And then someone reminded that person that this theorem is about mappings of contiguous spaces, not political ones. And then the theorem worked again.

    • @TheJaredtheJaredlong
      @TheJaredtheJaredlong 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@brianbethea3069 But the gensis of the problem was a real world application. But I guess it is easier to solve a completely different question than the one actually asked.

    • @rednecktash
      @rednecktash 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheJaredtheJaredlong but it happens to work for all countries on earth, so again it's fine :)