Great video. It really helped me designing my second vpin. I chose to order a 3070ti and Gigabyte 144hz 43" monitor. It should be here soon and cant wait to test it out.
Very helpful. I had no idea about bottlenecking. I was planning on buying the best graphics card possible without thought about my CPU and how it could limit my GPU. Its a waste to go beyond 5-10%.
I think you convinced me to upgrade my processor. Right now I have a very similar set up 4k 60 Hz I7: 2600 16 gigs of RAM with a RTX 2060 super card, and will experience minor stutter throughout tables.
Travis Parrett, I've been pulling my hairs out and now it's stutter free... but will see for how long... VPE is coming, and all the newest VPX tables are getting more perf hungry... But I think that it is easier to change GPU in the future than CPU again ;)
Did changing the motherboard and processor mess up any setting? Because right now even though I’m experiencing stutter everything runs pretty much perfectly.
Travis Parrett, to my surprise, I swapped motherboard with cpu and ram and windows 10 in 3 minutes it was doing some device changing and it just did everything. I was shocked, it did not mess anything.
Nice benchmark! I originally put a i7 7700k with a 1060 3g in my 4k cabinet, it was a bit too slow, but very playable (with some tweaking and experimenting with different Geforce drivers). Then I upgraded to an i5 10400 with 3060 and that was perfect. But this week I upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5700g with 3060ti, i will try to make some benchmarks using Indiana Jones on VPX with max settings.
I'm running i7 7700 with a gtx1070. Frame rates average at 115-130 yet my 4k TV is only 60hz so I'm sure a 1060 would be fine as long as it exceeds 60fps.
Always keep in mind that the author of the table (or perhaps yourself) may have introduced tweaks in the table settings that are overriding the global values. Always good to check them when you do a system upgrade to make sure the table settings are what you think they are.
Another great video! Did you use the LG C2 OLED for these tests? If so, did you do anything in particular in setting it up? Thanks again for this content!
Although I understand your findings regarding CPU bottleneck, your fps numbers seem pretty good for all 4 setups. I imagine a lot of this comes down to the vpx configuration. I'm running a i5-11600 @ 3.9GHz with a GTX 1660ti with a 4K 40" tv (60 MHz), a 30" hp monitor and pindmd. Big difference for me is in the settings for VPX: Anti-alias sharpening is on Bilateral CAS, update in-game and screen space reflections both off (I find these last two items affect performance quite a bit, but didn't see a recognize difference in game play look or feel). Lastly, I have Vsync set to 1 (this seems to have helped some games where there was a recognize lag). While I may see a lag if I switched to a 120MHz monitor, this existing set-up seems to look and work fairly well.
@TexasEdge, IMHO AA is not needed at all in 4k setup (but some use it), the screen space reflections are performance have and cause a lot of problems in many tables. I've have switched to a 120Hz screen and it's a game changer to be true in term of lag. I though that 60Hz was lag free for me, but after playing real pinball machine I've always struggled for a day or two to get used to vpin again. Now with 120Hz it's gone.
@@AllPinballFanatic The first battle for me would be finding a 4K 120Hz monitor that's 40". The Vizio was difficult enough. Assuming I could find it, I'm afraid I might end up having to upgrade my 1660ti to be able to effectively use it.
You can also check my vid about upgrading my CPU and gains I got by doing it: th-cam.com/video/yrHyrcIqVKk/w-d-xo.html I wanted to be sure 120Hz will be without any stuttering.
@@AllPinballFanatic that is a pretty high refresh rate, maybe pc doesnt run above 120hz mostly? 60hz is easy to maintain so vsync works like a dream :D
In my opinion, the difference in graphical quality between 1440p and 4k is marginal, whereas the difference in gameplay between 60 hz and 120 or higher hz with variable refresh rate is large. Almost flawlessly smooth with zero perceptible flipper lag. 1440p is also much less demanding on CPU and GPU. With your setup, you should be able to get 400 or more fps at 1440p.
@@AllPinballFanatic Understandable. I was just mentioning it if you were thinking of upgrades in the future. A 120 hz g-sync monitor would probably provide more of a performance boost for you than a 3090 with the fastest processor available.
Nice benchmark. I am wondering whether different Windows versions (Windows 10 vs Windows 11) affect the performance of VPX. Do you know if VPX is running with Windows Tiny11?
Interesting that your 1070 didn't do the trick. I'm running a 1st Gen i7 970, 6GB ram and GTX 1070, with 4k at 60hz and every game is butter smooth. I tried that bottle neck calculator and for a score of 2.1%
Most thorough explanation I've ever seen
Mike Libidinsky, thanks for kind words, glad You liked it.
Thank you for taking the time to share this. Very cool
Glad you enjoyed it!
This might be the only source of information on this topic in the world! Nice job. You are doing GOD's work. lol
Thank You for Your kind works.
Great video. It really helped me designing my second vpin. I chose to order a 3070ti and Gigabyte 144hz 43" monitor. It should be here soon and cant wait to test it out.
Great, let me know your thoughts on this monitor
Any thoughts on the monitor choice??? Did it work out for you??
Great video. I was thinking about what I needed. Thanks!
Thanks Mike B.
Very helpful. I had no idea about bottlenecking. I was planning on buying the best graphics card possible without thought about my CPU and how it could limit my GPU. Its a waste to go beyond 5-10%.
Glad I could help!
I think you convinced me to upgrade my processor. Right now I have a very similar set up 4k 60 Hz I7: 2600 16 gigs of RAM with a RTX 2060 super card, and will experience minor stutter throughout tables.
Travis Parrett, I've been pulling my hairs out and now it's stutter free... but will see for how long... VPE is coming, and all the newest VPX tables are getting more perf hungry... But I think that it is easier to change GPU in the future than CPU again ;)
Did changing the motherboard and processor mess up any setting? Because right now even though I’m experiencing stutter everything runs pretty much perfectly.
Travis Parrett, to my surprise, I swapped motherboard with cpu and ram and windows 10 in 3 minutes it was doing some device changing and it just did everything. I was shocked, it did not mess anything.
Nice benchmark! I originally put a i7 7700k with a 1060 3g in my 4k cabinet, it was a bit too slow, but very playable (with some tweaking and experimenting with different Geforce drivers). Then I upgraded to an i5 10400 with 3060 and that was perfect. But this week I upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5700g with 3060ti, i will try to make some benchmarks using Indiana Jones on VPX with max settings.
Thanks Digital Retro, let me know what will be Your results.
@@AllPinballFanatic maxed out I got 112fps on average after 3 minutes gameplay, with some drops to low 100's.
Digital Retro, it's nice score (~100fps) with max VPX settings (is it with AA MSAA enabled?)
I'm running i7 7700 with a gtx1070. Frame rates average at 115-130 yet my 4k TV is only 60hz so I'm sure a 1060 would be fine as long as it exceeds 60fps.
Always keep in mind that the author of the table (or perhaps yourself) may have introduced tweaks in the table settings that are overriding the global values. Always good to check them when you do a system upgrade to make sure the table settings are what you think they are.
Yeah, I always check those.
Another great video! Did you use the LG C2 OLED for these tests? If so, did you do anything in particular in setting it up? Thanks again for this content!
Hi, no I didn't have the c2 yet back then. In You're interested in my C2 settings check my vid about it: th-cam.com/video/3Dhi33uPCxw/w-d-xo.html
Although I understand your findings regarding CPU bottleneck, your fps numbers seem pretty good for all 4 setups. I imagine a lot of this comes down to the vpx configuration. I'm running a i5-11600 @ 3.9GHz with a GTX 1660ti with a 4K 40" tv (60 MHz), a 30" hp monitor and pindmd. Big difference for me is in the settings for VPX: Anti-alias sharpening is on Bilateral CAS, update in-game and screen space reflections both off (I find these last two items affect performance quite a bit, but didn't see a recognize difference in game play look or feel). Lastly, I have Vsync set to 1 (this seems to have helped some games where there was a recognize lag). While I may see a lag if I switched to a 120MHz monitor, this existing set-up seems to look and work fairly well.
@TexasEdge, IMHO AA is not needed at all in 4k setup (but some use it), the screen space reflections are performance have and cause a lot of problems in many tables. I've have switched to a 120Hz screen and it's a game changer to be true in term of lag. I though that 60Hz was lag free for me, but after playing real pinball machine I've always struggled for a day or two to get used to vpin again. Now with 120Hz it's gone.
@@AllPinballFanatic The first battle for me would be finding a 4K 120Hz monitor that's 40". The Vizio was difficult enough. Assuming I could find it, I'm afraid I might end up having to upgrade my 1660ti to be able to effectively use it.
You can also check my vid about upgrading my CPU and gains I got by doing it: th-cam.com/video/yrHyrcIqVKk/w-d-xo.html I wanted to be sure 120Hz will be without any stuttering.
I have the same cpu and it's actually pretty good. Put an overkill cougar cpu cooler and it runs at 4ghz+ all day without getting hot
Yeah, good cooling is important to run it at high clock speeds.
Vsync always on then ball is smooth. i have a 1080 8gb with intel 4770k locked 60 4k as a build im doing.
I have Vsync on too, but I'm not using the GSync on my LG C2 120Hz screen at the moment as I find it better without it (just static framerate)
@@AllPinballFanatic that is a pretty high refresh rate, maybe pc doesnt run above 120hz mostly? 60hz is easy to maintain so vsync works like a dream :D
My fps is ~200-300fps so it's not the case of fps being too low.
do you have a link to the bottleneck calculator?
Sure Jim Kramer, here it is: pc-builds.com/calculator/
In my opinion, the difference in graphical quality between 1440p and 4k is marginal, whereas the difference in gameplay between 60 hz and 120 or higher hz with variable refresh rate is large. Almost flawlessly smooth with zero perceptible flipper lag. 1440p is also much less demanding on CPU and GPU. With your setup, you should be able to get 400 or more fps at 1440p.
At this point I use a tv so I can't switch it to 1440p.
@@AllPinballFanatic Understandable. I was just mentioning it if you were thinking of upgrades in the future. A 120 hz g-sync monitor would probably provide more of a performance boost for you than a 3090 with the fastest processor available.
I'm thinking about both... a 120/144Hz monitor and GFX Card... But not all at once ;)
I could not agree more. I would much rather play vpin in 2k with 120hz than at 4K with 60hz
Great informative video. Do you see the same results in the internal vpx fps counter (pressing F11)?
Hi Kenneth Svensson, I didn't record the vpx fps when benchmarking because it was showing the same values as the MSI afterburner.
10.7 rev 310 is best version for me. everything above that tables run with 10 to 20 frames lower and i dont know why. tested 10.7 final and 10.7.1
I am on rev 367, no problems at all
Nice benchmark.
I am wondering whether different Windows versions (Windows 10 vs Windows 11) affect the performance of VPX.
Do you know if VPX is running with Windows Tiny11?
Interesting that your 1070 didn't do the trick.
I'm running a 1st Gen i7 970, 6GB ram and GTX 1070, with 4k at 60hz and every game is butter smooth.
I tried that bottle neck calculator and for a score of 2.1%
Hmm, the machine is not only CPU and GFX card so maybe something different got me into problems too, hard to tackle.