@@manoharmeka999no one can give you a real 4K surround system no 2K compression stereo is work only mixing surround no 9.2.4 nakamichi sound ber surround 🙉🙊🙈
This is the equivalent of taking a fly swatter to a gun fight. If this is all Samsung has to fight with, then the Chinese have already beaten them...and it's all over but the crying.
FOMO is basically saying that companies will go away from top-quality because top-quality doesn't sell well enough to bother. That's sad. Better hold on to your most recent generation OLEDs folks.
Every company wants to make profit margins like Apple by selling enticing consumers to buy a new more expensive gadget every year. The craze goes on and on.
Samsung can't compete with TCL and Hisense, so they just start making up gimmicky marketing terms (native 8K art, RGB MicroLED, crappy anti-glare, etc) to sell their TV's. It may please the fanboys but it won't win new customers.
So what is the thing Samsung is doing to please the “fanboys”? Seems like everything in this video is about what Samsung is doing for Samsung and not the consumer. Are we getting Dolby Vision? Better pricing? Better software? Glossy screens with better black levels? Also this microLED, is it just pretty much a miniLED tv rebranded like they did with LED TV and QLED to confuse consumers with OLEDs? I mean I hold this “microLED” is great and competitive but feels like a tactic to confuse consumers and increase pricing?
Them calling that model a MicroLED TV when they sell produce self-emissive MicroLED panels is just shady. They’re trying to obfuscate the fact that it is an LCD panel with RGB backlight and capitalize on the MicroLED name.
Samsung has always done that. Led backlight LCD are called led now since Samsung was straight up deceiving people by refusing to say that they were an lcd at all. Samsung was calling 1024x768 sets hd. Samsung was selling 1080p sets with overscan forced on. That was not a missing setting, it was them selling roughly 1782x900 panels as 1080 so they could not display a 1920x1080 image. We even have uhd 2160p (3840x2160) being called 4k (4096x2160$ even though it is not the aspect ratio and the width being larger on actual 4k means you cannot display native 4k content on a UHD tv.
At best it's borderline unethical. At worst it's flat-out consumer manipulation through misrepresentation. This reeks of Samsung getting more and more desperate and grabbing at straws because they know they are losing more and more of their ability to compete every year. The Chinese are eating their lunch for them now - and they know it.
What is to stop someone loading up a USB stick with 1000's of images and letting the TV display those on rotation for no cost ? They are rely on people being technologically inept ?
Do you know people can pick up food directly from a restaurant and not use doordash??? End of the day people are getting lazier and lazier by the day and will pay for comfort! 👎🏽☹️
Is work on your TH-cam near your house 🏠🏡 it's only buffering buffering buffering 🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵 compression the video and sound stereo 2K is not surround is bullshit big bulshit no 4K
Here's what is being overlooked in this video: Samsung doesn't sell enough Frame TVs in a year for this to have any shot at saving them in the TV market against the Chinese. And, of the few Frames that they do sell, almost no one actually pays that subscription feel for those images of famous paintings. They just run family photos on there instead. Moving that same functionality over to their LCD TVs will only help marginally. It won't be anywhere even NEAR enough to save Samsung from the Chinese brands that are eating into more and more of their global market share with each passing day. If Samsung thinks doing this will buy them even one more day in that battle, they are fooling themselves. It won't.
@@90lancaster most of the TV expensive TV is not really USB is USB 2 no 3 time old version is not used to be free is not work like a ghost the TV can recognize your speed like this 10000 is only 100 🤢🤮
I don’t understand why happiness comes from Samsung wordsmithing for more profit. This channel should be about what the consumer wants, and if Samsung BSs people to make more money, it turns me off. The invention of the term QLED was the beginning of the obscuration and Samsung is going to obscurate LCD again with RGB microLED and videos like seem to celebrate this behavior.
What mega corp doesn't do it. Apple showed the way in the last 15 years with it's new marketing terms. But this -**** has been around like forever. Mega corps also love subscription models - be interesting to see AI , processing features in future behind paywalls. I don't trust Sony will all their anti consumer nonsense in last 30 years. Panasonic one of the better companies got into bed with Amazon to bring us cheaper TVs Plus naming has to be elegant eg quantum dot RG and Blue Oled Tvs is a bit of a mouthful Redbull doesn't give you wings , drinking coke and wearing pads with whisper wings does mean you can do cartwheels down the beach with the "beautiful young and ready people? FOMOs right big screen QD-OLEDS may be phased out and just for monitors and reference monitors for grading . These companies can't afford to panda too much to 1% of market - for most people QD-OLED and WOLED are exactly the same . We are not the buyers of small production run , money no object buyers we like to thing we are . If if a G6 83" costs $4000 and S95G costs $60000 do you think those raving how it trounces WOLED will actually buy it - when for 99% of content you won't actually see a difference . People aren't that silly to buy what they can't see for $2000 more, when they know in another 5 years TVs will be better again.- hell most people happy with big LCD and now big miniLCD , plus these frame TVs Get used to it only true oleds can compete for next 10 years as costs come down, in the smaller sizes eg up to 83" They won't be as vibrant as these new techs , but they will have still excellent PQ from 1000 upto 4000 Nits for OK money
QD-OLED is an old technology and is very outdated at this point. MLA didnt even make 2 years, thats how horrible that tech was. QD-OLED is a dead duck......
@@michael-4k4000qd OLED is old?? Its 3 years old on the market this year... Also they sold the factories to LG Display so it will probably be used in LG C series oleds and samsung TVs a few more years, and the LG will still sell their evo panels and their new tandem panels for 5 - 10 more years. By then qdel and might take over along with micro led. Remember that micro leds are still 30 to 70 times the price of a high end tv. Its a long way to go.
@michael-4k4000 weird take. WOLED is far older, as is LCD. QD-OLED is better than the others in almost every way, which is why i buy it after several side by sides.
And who are you to tell Samsung what they can charge? As enthusiasts it's not a tv that appeals to us but among the general public people do find value in them.
It's absolutely foolish is what it is. The Frame is a terrible TV (relatively speaking) at just about every level. The fact that people are willing to pay the prices that Samsung is asking for it is a testament to human insanity within the context of consumer behavior.
i can care less, I got a second fridge and freezer, the power bill gets paid first no matter what, I don't know if it's 105 or 185, I don't care I'm payin what ever my power bill is cause I like what electricity does
Samsung gets a 🏅 for being the best company at obfuscating their technology, while spitting in the consumer’s face. Basically sitting there selling you a mule, while advertising it as a horse….guaranteed a HORSE! 🐴
After this piece, I can safely just focus on LG and SONY,while keep an eye on Hisense and TCL for their breakthroughs. That's about what I got from this piece.
RGB miniLED though is very impressive but will physically NEVER reproduce crisp micro constrasts and low light scenes as good as self-emitting OLED. I don't think Samsung Display should give up on OLED yet.
FOMO please make a video about Applied Material's upcoming new oled manufacturing machines. It's a way bigger game changer for oled than Phosphorescent blue. Samsung have early dibs on the machines after Japan Display and Visionox, so we could see consumer displays made with it in ~2 years.
I too would like to see more coverage of this as Taco is suggesting this has something to do with addressing major pitfalls in Oled such as burn-in issues.
They're both dead, along with WOLED, if MAX OLED (RGB OLED) pans out. Samsung Display is already running tests, so we'll likely know if it's everything promised within a few years.
Question for FOMO: Since you saw these TVs live at CES. how are the viewing angles in the Samsung RGB mini LED and the Hisense UX 116"? What type of LCD panel were they using ? was it a VA panel? Were they using some special layer for wide viewing angles ? I'm very pumped by the technology and can't wait until you guys get a review sample. I feel like MicroLED RGB TVs can come at almost the same price as current miniLED TVs. Because the backlight can have a "resolution" of let's say 480p (probably lower) which is still a pretty big number of zones (409,920) and from a tooling perspective spreading that amount of microLEDs (as backlight) on 75 or 83" is way easier and the yield probably way higher than doing it for "full" microLED TV in 4k (millions of microLEDs very, very close to each other)
I really thought TV tech was going to plateau, once QD oled/MLA came out, but every year we have seen decent improvements in TV tech and looks like that is going to continue for several years. Just when you think they hit the limit, some new breakthrough/tech comes into play, very exciting! Let hope content starts catching up now, to push these new TVs!
@Mike-jm5wt TVs plateaued fromike the C7-CX. Those years saw very little improvements and some actually went backwards. At some point there are diminishing returns. At this point, content needs to catch up, to take advantage of the new tvs. Nothing has 10k nits or most not even 2k.
@micker9830 TV's have gotten brighter, bigger, better image processing, cheaper, more advanced inputs and refresh rates, and in the case of LCD colors and contrast have never been so good. So nothing has stagnated as far as I can tell
Samsung will be toast. They are desperate to find a niche. The same people who would want an art tv. Don't want to waste electricity and make more carbon. Oops never thought of that samsung. TCL and Hisense will compete for less.
An art tv has it's place in limited areas plus the image changes over time so you don't get tired of the same thing. What's nuts is how much people are spending on these simple devices.
Desperate... that's the word I was looking for. Samsung can't win the war so they just invent a reason, native 8K art 🤣, to say their TV is better. It may work with the fanboys but it won't win new customers.
If this is what they are betting their TV division on, then their TV division is clearly lost. The Chinese have beaten them - and they are already defeated.
Not sure why the frame is referred to as a terrible TV...it's not. I have two 43 inch frames as secondary displays to a 120 inch projector for football. The picture is fine. It's a mid level tv. Doesn't make any sense to pay $126 a year for tv art and a waste of energy leaving your TV on 24/7
But, with each passing year, more and more TV companies decide that they DON'T want to provide you with any stats or technical specs. Why? Because they are afraid that if you compare their specs to the competition you'll pick the competition instead. And, to a large degree they are actually right on that. Many will. But the specs only tell PART of the story. Any wise consumer knows that. However, there are literally MILLIONS of incredibly unwise consumers out there today that DON'T do any actually research or homework before making a TV purchase. All they need to see is a few bigger specs (nits of brightness, local dimming zones, channels of audio, etc.) and a lower price and they are sold. Chinese companies have long-since figured this out and understood it - and they are playing directly into it. Update: It's working like a charm!
I will never buy samsung TV or appliances. They are unreliable crap. You can ask any professional mechanic and they will say not to buy this brand. People gets attracted to features on their appliances but regret after using them for more than an year.
I literally have bought only Samsung tv’s and appliances for almost 7 years and have maybe had 1 problem total combined for all of them in that time. They are the definition of quality in my experience.
Wow, this is very shady of Samsung. Thank you for calling this out. I was already avoiding Samsung because they don't support Dolby Vision, but they do make the best OLED panels used by other manufacturers that do support Dolby Vision with their implementations. I hope this continues or other OLED manufacturers can match or outperform Samsung's OLED tech before they discontinue it.
The 3 worst most useless features in a TV. 8K, Art Store, Anti Glare. Any one of those is reason enough to instantly not buy it. All 3 together, terrible. This guy is a major Samsung fanboy. He has great content but Samsung has some big flaws he insists are good things.
I think you are missing the point. He's not a fanboy. He's simply excited to share what he perceives to be Samsung's new direction in tv's. Doesn't mean he actually approves.
Right, but for this particular application, it's utterly useless. Essentially just one more bit of meaningless marketing fluff to try and dazzle the consumer with.
Yup. We're still putting up with 32" OLED monitors, and people that want a more optimal 4k size, still have to buy the LG C4 42", because there's nothing else out there. Those marketing departments are full of it.
I have a Meural frame, which I like and which is a vastly overpriced art frame. I still don't care about the art store on my TV. My TV needs to be OLED, and hell no am I using an expensive OLED to display static images. Also, an art frame needs to be 3:2 or perhaps better yet 4:3. Also, electricity is expensive. Wasting it this way seems a bit rich and wasteful.
I'm getting a tv in March. I know I want QD oled screen. I only have 1600 to spend. I would like to try to get 65 inches and have Dolby vision. What do you recommend?? Please help!
AFAIK, you are screwed because Samsung sells their QD-OLED's cheaper but omit Dolby Vision. Sony has it but costs a mint. I think you are better off forgetting about Dolby Vision and just getting the largest QD-OLED you can afford. Also waiting until Black Friday will pay dividends as well.
@@JorgeGonzalez-nz7hdi think with the higher brightness of the s95d etc dolby vision is less required but if you have content that specifically needs that to look it's best then I would instead look at lg and go woled with mla with the g4
What nonsense. QD - OLED TV just started. That RGB micro LED is not micro LED as everyone knows, it is just a RGB mini LEDTV and Samsung hasn’t invented this because Hisense also bringing it out but they are calling it as it is. This is another LCD TV so it’s not a threat to QD - OLED technology.
You didn’t see Samsung minimizing OLED at CES with the LEAST floor space? You didn’t see Samsung pushing art features on everything except OLED? Follow the money or you’ll end up with a large Betamax movie collection
@@stopthefomo If Samsung thinks for even one second that adding the Art TV feature to other TVs is going to have ANY shot at boosting their profitability they are in for one hell of a big disappointment there on that. Relatively speaking, Samsung only sells a VERY small number of Frame TVs every year. And, of those few that they do sell, only a very small fraction of those actually use that Art TV subscription feature at all. Most consumers buy those to display either family photos or JPEG files of art images that they either created themselves or source elsewhere. Adding that feature to their other TVs isn't going to move the needle for them one bit. If that's the tool they think they can use to fight back against the Chinese brands, then they have already lost that battle.
OK what would "I" be actually looking for in a TV in say 2027 ? Refresh rate increase 240hz minimum (it gets rid of a lot of the issues with (bad) image persistence) and totally removes the need for things like Black Frame insertion. A new standard in connections.. Putting PC display port on would be a start, but a whole new HDMI standard is needed the current one is lousy. Decent speakers would be nice - TV sound quality is all over the place. Efficiency.. there is some much cheaper to run tech out there so don't make YOUR TV energy guzzling if someone else's isn't. Good ideally "great" gaming performance. Also the TV should still work fine with no loud pop ups screaming at you if it doesn't have an internet connection. You don't want boxes showing up on screen when you turned your router off and are watching a TV boxed set off of discs or a Media drive. Will - I get any of that... likely not. a TV that is perfect as a Gaming PC display for the living room isn't easy to find. Yet PC is leaping ahead as a gaming format.. some of us don't want to be playing no games at a desk when they have a perfectly good sofa.
If somehow blue OLED (from UDC or others) arrives with a sustainable duration(lifespan), will oled burn-in go away? Does the lack of a viable Oled blue have anything to do with burn-in issues?
With Applied Material's new oled manufacturing machines, burn in could be effectively eliminated today. The new manufacturing can double the aperature ratio of oled pixels vs vapor deposition method(used currently). This could improve lifetime 5X at current brightness OR 3X brightness at current lifetime.
@@FrowningTaco does it apply the subpixels in a normal RGB arrangement? If so, then that would make QDOLED the winning display technology for many years to come. Would be awesome to see computer monitors like that.
@@SpykerSpeed I agree. I don't know the technical reason why Samsung Display arrange their QD-Oled RGB pixels in a triangular pattern, so I don't know if this new manufacturing method would allow them to change it to RGB stripe or not. However, with a 3X brightness improvement they could reduce the amount of blue and green layers of oled material in the panel. Also, if they use blue quantum dots instead of using the scattering layer over the blue oled they could eliminate the ambient light raising black levels issue.
Taco, I'm curious about the timing of these improvements. Is it too late for these improvements to be introduced? Does Samsung need something new for marketing reasons that would cause it to abandon OLED even if burn-in and other main issues are resolved? I hate to use the phrase "too little, too late" as the part about "too little'' is not really applicable to resolving burn-in but it it too late to adapt AMAT's solution in a market that might be starving for a new new thing from a branding perspective? Anyway I hope the best for OLED. That said I'm no expert in what causes burn-in, not even close in fact - consider me the village idiot in that regard. With that in mind, how would you explain to the layman how AMAT's manufacturing solution solves burn-in? What caused burn-in to begin with and how did AMAT address this concern. That said, if you just want to provide a google search term or keywords we can use to find the answers ourselves we'd appreciate it. Not everyone is anyway close to your level of expertise based upon your feedback. Help the average consumer out if you can but I don't want to waste too much of your time. thanks!
You are so incredibly utterly wrong. 65" QD-OLED panels cost 700€ and sell for over 2000€ so I'd argue there's quite some margin. The issue is that the volume is too low and they attract to much attention (away from the QLEDs). That's why they shift attention to QLED again that sells in volume but not to trick people but to market what consumers want not what enthusiasts want. Videos like these show why you're an influencer and not an analyst.
They are not back in the game. They are licensing HINSENCE tech by next year they will be overtaking by HINSENCE the rgb tv they are using is made by HINSENCE
Just wow. I don't think most people who want a good TV are thinking they can't do without "art functionality." I'm guessing that in addition to specs Samsung doesn't want to discuss the industry standards they refuse to observe that bargain brands such as Hisense respect. Such as DTS and Dolby Vision. I don't WANT 10K nits! My lowly A80CL sometimes gets uncomfortably bright. I suggest Panasonic or LG for someone who wants the best overall image in a 2025 TV. Or even a two year old A95L. I hope we don't get a repeat of the Kuro years where 10 year old TVs outperformed anything that was currently available new.
Soooo, art gimmicks, more subscription borrocks, matt screens killing oleds main usp (black levels) and buying LCD tech from someone else for your flagships. Wow, times are bad lol
It's only on the peak specular highlights, not the entire panel. But, we are unquestionably in the "Brightness Wars" now in the TV space. Why? Because bigger numbers on the spec sheet is what sells TVs to uninformed consumers. That's why.
So does this mean that within a year or two, a $2,000 85-inch LCD could top the performance of that $7,000 83-inch QD-OLED dream which never came true?
I think things will move more and more to MiniLED. Samsung never managed to sell enough QDOLED panels to make it viable. If the rumours are true Sony isn't even buying any and going with Tandem OLED of MLA (can't see MLA since LG stopped them). Sony in the leak placed miniLED as their top flagship product. Samsung still going with the 8K and now RGB MicroLED (MiniLED if we're real). There is constant advancement and profit margin is so much bigger and so much easier to produce anything from 55-130" in the future.
Wait.....are you using empty glasses frames without any lens in them? Why? Am I just blind, because it really looks like those don't have any lens in them.
@@bearclaw5115 Yeah, when you only use the bare frames you don't get any glare. So if he uses contact lenses plus the glasses frames, he get both the wearing glasses look but without any downside of using high powered lenses. Still though.....it looks kind of goofy. Is it just a style reason or is it something I don't get here. I remember that was a thing for a very brief period for 2 decades ago. But since then I haven't seen anyone use bare frames like that.
I don't see the point in 8K at all. Every test I have seen is that at the optimal viewing distance you can't see the difference between 4K and 8K. We have very little content even made for 4K at this point. 8K looks completely pointless.
Every tv reviewer out there was saying the same thing about 4k back in 2014. I assure you, your eyes are better than 4k my friend. And the content issue is a red-herring because upscaling 4k content to 8k displays is bound to look great.
@@bearclaw5115its a bit more complicated than that as many would take 4k oled over 8k qled and so on. 8k vs 4k on the same panel whilst will probably look better if you look hard enough you are talking about minimal returns and many would pick 4k for the cheaper price. Imo 8k will only get popular if higher sizes such as 83 inch plus become more normal or alternatively the 8k panels get to a price where it's barely any more than 4k to buy with many versions available to flood the market. It also need casual things like console and cable/on demand tv to start getting 8k for popular content and games
@@bearclaw5115 what I mean is that many reviewers have tested 4K vs 8K and found that people could not tell the difference at normal viewing distance. If you are showing art and you plan to walk up very close to the TV and inspect it closely then I could see a point but you don't watch TV and movies that way.
For skin tones out of the box, I prefer Sony Panasonic but gaming I like Samsung while LG OLED is a great balance of everything not necessarily the best in any one thing while for 98”+ immersion best value performance I’d start with Hisense TCL
Unless the other OEM beats them at their pricing game, Samsung will survive with almost any move it makes. The average consumer wants a TV with a great picture at the cheapest Price. Display type comes second, and Price comes first. I've seen it with my own eyes. When I was picking up my A90j, a guy who bought two TCLs asked me why I paid so much when I could get two of the models he has. He didn't like my response when I asked him why he bought a Range Rover when he could buy two Honda SUVs. LOL. I think he got my point.
Personally, I thought this entire piece was fluff. really, when your looking for a TV , think art, right! then you said 8K are you kidding me, 98% of broadcast not even 1080P, then you said micro led, its the same scenario, TCL , Hisesne better picture half the cost. FoMo, have substance when you take up our time.
@@erichagele 8k is a waste of time for everyone outside of specific professional applications. The difference from 4k to 5k/6k can be perceived in non-anti-aliased games, but the performance hit would rarely be worth it, while the jump to 8k would be imperceivable at any reasonable viewing distance.
I wish more of the influencers and journalist would call out when Samsung does some of their deceptive naming/maketing. Calling it MicroLED is slimy. I feel like they did that with their QLED since it looks really close to OLED when you glance at the lettering, especially for the normal consumer.
I had the s90c, s90d and s95d all were nothing but headaches with the s95d being the worst when it came to gaming with my 4090 with drop out due to Nvidia using DSC for high refresh rates. You need a perfect source or content looks as bas as on old projection tv. Im excited to get the new z95b or g5 4 stack oled or if sony will be releasing a new oled this year.
That won’t be in the retail units. They will only get to 2400 nits at best and they still don’t have great full screen brightness due to ABL in SDR and HDR.
I have a C3 OLED, and for the thousandth time, I literally don't need it to be any brighter and it literally can be viewed with all my blinds open in the middle of the day. This obsession of brightness output / nits, is ridiculous and literally debunked. OLED shouldn't go out because it's a near-perfect technology that can go full black down to the pixel.
Everything Samsung is doing here sounds like complete BS. I cannot imagine ever paying a subscription for art on a TV, and 8k TVs are not going to be a mainstream thing anytime in the next 10 years. Image quality, performance, reliability and hardware features are the only thing that matter.
Mark my words. OLED will see 10,000 nits FOMO. It already has…. Just not on the consumer sides of things. For Samsung, they can do whatever. They burned me, and I don’t think I’ll ever go back. I’m feeling fine riding with LG for a bit longer.
Fomo: Please find out the costs to the consumer of the art work and once you buy it is it yours to keep in your TV and is it transferrable to another later Samsung.
Who in the F is paying for art on your tv . Lmao what a joke . It’s always business first, customer last . It’s sad , I just want a really good tv that has everything I want . 3D passive, 4k , 4 hdmi 2.1 , anti glare , 3k nits, no burn in , 98% sdr and hdr color gamut, no side viewing degradation or color loss and a super fast responsive hardware cpu for internal performance and app and menu navigation and a fully customizable and calibrated tv setting options .
FOMO, I see where you are going there with all of this (and where you assert that Samsung is trying to go) but understand that almost NO ONE actually buys that Frame TV. Oh, it sells, but in incredibly LOW volume. And, most that do buy it, never end up even using that Art Store feature at all - and they certainly don't pay extra for a monthly subscription for it. If anything, they use that feature to display photos they took themselves of family members and friends, like a massive photo frame. If THAT'S the strategy that Samsung thinks is going to fend off the ever-increasing assault from the Chinese brands (Hisense and TCL) then they are in for a VERY rude awakening. It won't. Recall here that both of those companies now offer their own version of The Frame TV as well, at a fraction of the price that Samsung charges. If THAT'S their only real defense against them, then Samsung HAS no defense against them - and they are essentially finished in the TV space, or likely very soon will be.
Samsung might not care about specs, I do. If they don't give me the numbers, how am I knowing what I am buying? I just won't. The only reason why I own a Samsung is QD OLED. All the rest, I don't care about. I need a screen. It does not need to do anything else. No sound, no smarts. Also, I hate how Samsung is constantly trying to confuse customers with their marketing. I hated working with them in the past, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with their BS anymore.
Remember when Samsung pushed edge lit as far superior to Fald. And then they pushed everything into a curved panel. always trying to find a niche and control the market
Sorry fomo Samsung isnt increasing 8k for art subscription. They see the market shift to 100” screens and 4k looks like 1080p at that size. I bet they are working on ai upscaling algorithms that will make all streaming content go to close to 8k rez and look great to the general consumer
my interior design mother would likely love this art store thing. That and she watches news/stock news channels that have always blocked an OLED screen from being considered. For the last part that is true for me as well but I would add subtitles for Netflix as a reason we have avoided OLED burn-in issues. My wife is hooked on South Korean dramas. Go figure.
Never for ne any samsung tv after buying the s95b qd oled tv new. After just 3 weeks of use tv apps started crashing frequently also tv would freeze then must perform hard power on restart crap,when i called samsung customer support 👏 was told this is normal operation because tv is a smart tv 😮😅
Yo FOMO my guy..... I respect you man but this has got to be some BS eilte troll level video samsung is finished if they think subscription to some art store is what's gonna help topple TCL and Hisense and its crazy you're here hyping that up NO ONE is buying a samsung over the others if dangling an art subscription is what they think will be the difference maker
I really doubt so many people will buy an expensive tv based on the ability to show art. This sounds like a desperate strategy to impress people, just like the AI craziness. For me, as I really want to buy a new tv this year, it matters like 0% if it has AI or art as marketing choice. The only thing that matters for a tv is picture quality and that is it. As for gaming features, me being a light gamer also, some 144 VRR and two HDMI 2.1 ports are more than enough. Rest is just dust in the eyes, 5000 nits and all kind of picture settings and noise reduction, have always been just gimmicks to play with for a day. I agree that miniLED is the go to technology. I have high hopes from Sony this year and I hope the more conservative Japanese will not let themselves dragged in this mess, although, traditionally, their TV's are the most expensive on the market but this year, seems to be worth it. As far as the Chinese brands, TCL and Hisense go, I really hope they will give a run for their money to the rest of the brands.
Every brand has winners and losers. The world isn't as simple as you make it out to be. After all, the panels themselves are often made by a different company.
In reality all these Gallery, Lifestyle TV from Samsung and LG are all bullshit for me, i can` t be so stupid to use my tv as a framed painting or anything possible crap like this!
What is the specific brightness that will check all the boxes. I personally do not understand. At the same time, these manufacturers release brighter and brighter and brighter TVs. But why? What is the end goal on brightness? No one ever talks about this. Almost all HDR content is mastered at 1,000 nits. So my question is, why do we care about the brightness exceeding 1,000 nits? Who is having trouble seeing 1,000 nits? It's buying a race car that can go 800mph when you can only drive 75mph. Sony has TVs now that all do over 1,000 nits oled and LCD, so whats the problem? How bright will a tv need to go in order for us all to say we are there. Or do we just keep moving the goal post every time we get close? The irony is that almost ALL programming has gotten darker, and trying to tell someone that HDR is a brighter format may think you are insane for saying something that is so obviously not true. We were just watching SILO on Apple TV in HDR, this show is probably using about 60 nits max. Many film directors state they only need 100nits to light their movie properly. So which is it? do we need an unlimited amount of nits or is there a number that a TV should be able to produce that we all can agree that is acceptable (and we wont complain the following years that we need more brightness). I would like to suggest a display able to go to 1,000 nits in a 100% window is where we want to get to, and not many displays can do these. The apple iPad Pro can do 1,000 nits full screen 1,600 nits in a 10% window. Think these are good specs to use as a standard. What does everyone else think?
Some errors in your thinking there. First, a tv can use dynamic tone-mapping to allow for brighter highlights even if the content is mastered at a lower level. Second 1,000 nits on a 100% window is searing. Even 200 seems bright in a dark room. The purpose of a tv going beyond 1,000 nits is to create better highlights. Sunlight, fireworks, headlights, these things are all much brighter IRL than any tv can presently do. And until they can the quest for more is on!
If I get 8 million dimming zones, I will consider a LCD screen. If not, I don't care. At all. It is irrelevant. The image quality isn't there. My laptop is OLED, for crying out loud. My next monitor will be OLED. Anything below OLED or QED is irrelevant. Also, 8K is irrelevant. I also hate that they don't communicate what you get. RGB microLED is worse than OLED. 10.000 nits... who cares? I have 1.200 and it is too bright. I need perfect black right next to 1.000 nits pixels. Not going to happen with LCD. Ever.
To be clear, Samsungs new RGB Micro-TV is NOT a Micro LED tv? Does that make sense to anyone on earth?????? Why dont they just call their new LCD TV "RGB Laser Quantum LED Pro Elite TV"? If you are going to straight up and lie, lie big at least...
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Which TVs in or below 55 inches have best 4k
upscale for satellite television?
@@manoharmeka999Biggggg LOL 8K RESOLUTION ON TH-cam IS 2K stereo compression no really 4K 😢 🤔👎🏻
@@manoharmeka999no one can give you a real 4K surround system no 2K compression stereo is work only mixing surround no 9.2.4 nakamichi sound ber surround 🙉🙊🙈
will TV ever get to a response time on par or very close to the best gaming Pc monitor?
If these are Samsung strategies to fight against Hisense and TCL, Samsung is doomed.
didn't even see your comment until after I just wrote mine...... good to know someone else feels the same way I do
This is the equivalent of taking a fly swatter to a gun fight. If this is all Samsung has to fight with, then the Chinese have already beaten them...and it's all over but the crying.
FOMO is basically saying that companies will go away from top-quality because top-quality doesn't sell well enough to bother. That's sad. Better hold on to your most recent generation OLEDs folks.
Every company wants to make profit margins like Apple by selling enticing consumers to buy a new more expensive gadget every year. The craze goes on and on.
So they are calling a tv Micro LED that is really not ''Micro LED'' . Well Thats not confusing at all.
Samsung can't compete with TCL and Hisense, so they just start making up gimmicky marketing terms (native 8K art, RGB MicroLED, crappy anti-glare, etc) to sell their TV's. It may please the fanboys but it won't win new customers.
They are completely dishonest.
WOW! HOLY SHIITE!!! Someone just deleted my comment. Did it hit close to home?
They are RGB MICRO LED but from what I’ve seen it’s going to be more like RGB MINI LED
🎯 lies, lies, lies. Samsungs way. Obfuscating the tech, is always their way.
So what is the thing Samsung is doing to please the “fanboys”? Seems like everything in this video is about what Samsung is doing for Samsung and not the consumer. Are we getting Dolby Vision? Better pricing? Better software? Glossy screens with better black levels?
Also this microLED, is it just pretty much a miniLED tv rebranded like they did with LED TV and QLED to confuse consumers with OLEDs?
I mean I hold this “microLED” is great and competitive but feels like a tactic to confuse consumers and increase pricing?
Them calling that model a MicroLED TV when they sell produce self-emissive MicroLED panels is just shady. They’re trying to obfuscate the fact that it is an LCD panel with RGB backlight and capitalize on the MicroLED name.
Samsung has always done that. Led backlight LCD are called led now since Samsung was straight up deceiving people by refusing to say that they were an lcd at all. Samsung was calling 1024x768 sets hd. Samsung was selling 1080p sets with overscan forced on. That was not a missing setting, it was them selling roughly 1782x900 panels as 1080 so they could not display a 1920x1080 image. We even have uhd 2160p (3840x2160) being called 4k (4096x2160$ even though it is not the aspect ratio and the width being larger on actual 4k means you cannot display native 4k content on a UHD tv.
True.
At best it's borderline unethical. At worst it's flat-out consumer manipulation through misrepresentation. This reeks of Samsung getting more and more desperate and grabbing at straws because they know they are losing more and more of their ability to compete every year. The Chinese are eating their lunch for them now - and they know it.
What is to stop someone loading up a USB stick with 1000's of images and letting the TV display those on rotation for no cost ?
They are rely on people being technologically inept ?
Lot of them are or Not and just Stupid enough to pay the money..
Do you know people can pick up food directly from a restaurant and not use doordash??? End of the day people are getting lazier and lazier by the day and will pay for comfort! 👎🏽☹️
Is work on your TH-cam near your house 🏠🏡 it's only buffering buffering buffering 🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵 compression the video and sound stereo 2K is not surround is bullshit big bulshit no 4K
Here's what is being overlooked in this video: Samsung doesn't sell enough Frame TVs in a year for this to have any shot at saving them in the TV market against the Chinese. And, of the few Frames that they do sell, almost no one actually pays that subscription feel for those images of famous paintings. They just run family photos on there instead. Moving that same functionality over to their LCD TVs will only help marginally. It won't be anywhere even NEAR enough to save Samsung from the Chinese brands that are eating into more and more of their global market share with each passing day. If Samsung thinks doing this will buy them even one more day in that battle, they are fooling themselves. It won't.
@@90lancaster most of the TV expensive TV is not really USB is USB 2 no 3 time old version is not used to be free is not work like a ghost the TV can recognize your speed like this 10000 is only 100 🤢🤮
I don’t understand why happiness comes from Samsung wordsmithing for more profit. This channel should be about what the consumer wants, and if Samsung BSs people to make more money, it turns me off. The invention of the term QLED was the beginning of the obscuration and Samsung is going to obscurate LCD again with RGB microLED and videos like seem to celebrate this behavior.
If I didn't know any better, and I don't actually, I would swear FOMO was being paid directly by Samsung to sell this crap.
What mega corp doesn't do it. Apple showed the way in the last 15 years with it's new marketing terms. But this -**** has been around like forever.
Mega corps also love subscription models - be interesting to see AI , processing features in future behind paywalls.
I don't trust Sony will all their anti consumer nonsense in last 30 years.
Panasonic one of the better companies got into bed with Amazon to bring us cheaper TVs
Plus naming has to be elegant eg quantum dot RG and Blue Oled Tvs is a bit of a mouthful
Redbull doesn't give you wings , drinking coke and wearing pads with whisper wings does mean you can do cartwheels down the beach with the "beautiful young and ready people?
FOMOs right big screen QD-OLEDS may be phased out and just for monitors and reference monitors for grading .
These companies can't afford to panda too much to 1% of market - for most people QD-OLED and WOLED are exactly the same . We are not the buyers of small production run , money no object buyers we like to thing we are .
If if a G6 83" costs $4000 and S95G costs $60000 do you think those raving how it trounces WOLED will actually buy it - when for 99% of content you won't actually see a difference . People aren't that silly to buy what they can't see for $2000 more, when they know in another 5 years TVs will be better again.- hell most people happy with big LCD and now big miniLCD , plus these frame TVs
Get used to it only true oleds can compete for next 10 years as costs come down, in the smaller sizes eg up to 83"
They won't be as vibrant as these new techs , but they will have still excellent PQ from 1000 upto 4000 Nits for OK money
I love this comment 🫡
These are the tvs what customers want!
They want tvs that looks nice in the wall!
@@sunarfand this one 😝
I hope Samsung sells their QD-OLED tech to another manufacturer instead of just eliminating it
QD-OLED is an old technology and is very outdated at this point. MLA didnt even make 2 years, thats how horrible that tech was. QD-OLED is a dead duck......
@@michael-4k4000qd OLED is old?? Its 3 years old on the market this year... Also they sold the factories to LG Display so it will probably be used in LG C series oleds and samsung TVs a few more years, and the LG will still sell their evo panels and their new tandem panels for 5 - 10 more years. By then qdel and might take over along with micro led. Remember that micro leds are still 30 to 70 times the price of a high end tv. Its a long way to go.
@@michael-4k4000LCD is the old technology. However you backlight, it's still very old.
@michael-4k4000 weird take. WOLED is far older, as is LCD.
QD-OLED is better than the others in almost every way, which is why i buy it after several side by sides.
@@santiagocostales6530he is talking non sense!
A "TV" that is used to just display artwork shouldn't cost more than a few hundred dollars. It's insane that people are spending thousands on them.
Should give it away What a waste of hard earned money
And who are you to tell Samsung what they can charge?
As enthusiasts it's not a tv that appeals to us but among the general public people do find value in them.
It's absolutely foolish is what it is. The Frame is a terrible TV (relatively speaking) at just about every level. The fact that people are willing to pay the prices that Samsung is asking for it is a testament to human insanity within the context of consumer behavior.
Having a home TV on 24/7 is stupid on so many levels. For me the most egregious thing is the waste of energy, it's simply stupid.
i can care less, I got a second fridge and freezer, the power bill gets paid first no matter what, I don't know if it's 105 or 185, I don't care I'm payin what ever my power bill is cause I like what electricity does
I'm sure the tv is optimized for long hours and low consumption.
@@trauma50disaster1he’s probably European
Samsung gets a 🏅 for being the best company at obfuscating their technology, while spitting in the consumer’s face. Basically sitting there selling you a mule, while advertising it as a horse….guaranteed a HORSE! 🐴
After this piece, I can safely just focus on LG and SONY,while keep an eye on Hisense and TCL for their breakthroughs. That's about what I got from this piece.
RGB miniLED though is very impressive but will physically NEVER reproduce crisp micro constrasts and low light scenes as good as self-emitting OLED. I don't think Samsung Display should give up on OLED yet.
Will Samsung Displays still source QD-OLED to desktop monitor makers like Asus, MSI, Gigabyte etc. after 2027?
FOMO please make a video about Applied Material's upcoming new oled manufacturing machines. It's a way bigger game changer for oled than Phosphorescent blue. Samsung have early dibs on the machines after Japan Display and Visionox, so we could see consumer displays made with it in ~2 years.
I too would like to see more coverage of this as Taco is suggesting this has something to do with addressing major pitfalls in Oled such as burn-in issues.
Fantastic Intro 🙂 Of course the whole video is fantastic ! 😊
As long as there's no Dolby Vision, they aren't even on my radar
Same here, no dolby no dts = no Samsung for me.
False advertising? Using MicroLED when it's a MiniLED should not be allowed
Here's a scenario: If we thought LCD was dead, and now we think QD-OLED is dead, could we be wrong about both being dead?
That’s been my position for years. Both have their place in the market & have headroom to grow.
They're both dead, along with WOLED, if MAX OLED (RGB OLED) pans out. Samsung Display is already running tests, so we'll likely know if it's everything promised within a few years.
That's a shame it's not really micro led it's an lcd tv smh.
It’s very misleading and dishonest and the YT TV reviewers should be calling Samsung out on this!
Nothing said about black level and contrast also is a 8 k mini LED essentially a micro led due to the increased pixel density
Question for FOMO:
Since you saw these TVs live at CES.
how are the viewing angles in the Samsung RGB mini LED and the Hisense UX 116"?
What type of LCD panel were they using ? was it a VA panel?
Were they using some special layer for wide viewing angles ?
I'm very pumped by the technology and can't wait until you guys get a review sample. I feel like MicroLED RGB TVs can come at almost the same price as current miniLED TVs. Because the backlight can have a "resolution" of let's say 480p (probably lower) which is still a pretty big number of zones (409,920) and from a tooling perspective spreading that amount of microLEDs (as backlight) on 75 or 83" is way easier and the yield probably way higher than doing it for "full" microLED TV in 4k (millions of microLEDs very, very close to each other)
Ill wait and see. I'm guessing Hisense and TCL will have more affordable options using the same tech.
I really thought TV tech was going to plateau, once QD oled/MLA came out, but every year we have seen decent improvements in TV tech and looks like that is going to continue for several years. Just when you think they hit the limit, some new breakthrough/tech comes into play, very exciting! Let hope content starts catching up now, to push these new TVs!
Next is microled which will replace oled then multilayer 3d tvs using lasers.
What come on man nothing plateaus, there are technology road maps showing all kinds of annual bumps in performance we can expect like clockwork
@Mike-jm5wt TVs plateaued fromike the C7-CX. Those years saw very little improvements and some actually went backwards. At some point there are diminishing returns. At this point, content needs to catch up, to take advantage of the new tvs. Nothing has 10k nits or most not even 2k.
@micker9830 TV's have gotten brighter, bigger, better image processing, cheaper, more advanced inputs and refresh rates, and in the case of LCD colors and contrast have never been so good. So nothing has stagnated as far as I can tell
Samsung will be toast. They are desperate to find a niche. The same people who would want an art tv. Don't want to waste electricity and make more carbon. Oops never thought of that samsung. TCL and Hisense will compete for less.
You underestimate Samsung Marketing. They are the still the no.1 global tv maker for a reason
@@FrowningTaco They underestimate real competition. We will see.
An art tv has it's place in limited areas plus the image changes over time so you don't get tired of the same thing. What's nuts is how much people are spending on these simple devices.
@ztuber7763 So an overpriced digital picture frame? 🤣
Desperate... that's the word I was looking for. Samsung can't win the war so they just invent a reason, native 8K art 🤣, to say their TV is better. It may work with the fanboys but it won't win new customers.
Samsung is paying someone to hype up an “art store”. Lg has it free bro. Stop shilling for Samsung FOMO. Total rip off js
What about the lager sizes and lower prices that Hisense and TCL can offer? Can Samsung even keep up?
FOMO is there any information on the Samsung QN95F Series?
8K art, maybe in a museum. Wouldn't count on it being a selling point for financial health.
8k is easy to capture; Photoshoots today use Full format 50~100Mpx; scanners can go beyond
If this is what they are betting their TV division on, then their TV division is clearly lost. The Chinese have beaten them - and they are already defeated.
That RGB microLED tech sounds good to me! I would consider buying an 8k one if I wasn't forced to pay for a silly subscription for an art store.
Bullshit misleading marketing. It is NOT MicroLED tech! Crooks!
Not sure why the frame is referred to as a terrible TV...it's not. I have two 43 inch frames as secondary displays to a 120 inch projector for football. The picture is fine. It's a mid level tv. Doesn't make any sense to pay $126 a year for tv art and a waste of energy leaving your TV on 24/7
But won't RGB micro LED be worse at handling motion compared to OLED?
Slapping "AI" on a product don't mean crap to me. I need to know the specifics as to what exactly this AI is doing?
It's data mining everything on your home network and building a consumer profile they can sell
But, with each passing year, more and more TV companies decide that they DON'T want to provide you with any stats or technical specs. Why? Because they are afraid that if you compare their specs to the competition you'll pick the competition instead. And, to a large degree they are actually right on that. Many will. But the specs only tell PART of the story. Any wise consumer knows that. However, there are literally MILLIONS of incredibly unwise consumers out there today that DON'T do any actually research or homework before making a TV purchase. All they need to see is a few bigger specs (nits of brightness, local dimming zones, channels of audio, etc.) and a lower price and they are sold. Chinese companies have long-since figured this out and understood it - and they are playing directly into it. Update: It's working like a charm!
Man these TV manufacturers are playing one hell of a game.
I will never buy samsung TV or appliances. They are unreliable crap. You can ask any professional mechanic and they will say not to buy this brand. People gets attracted to features on their appliances but regret after using them for more than an year.
Samsung fanboys are gonna come for you
Yuh troll
Their sound systems are great value for the money
I literally have bought only Samsung tv’s and appliances for almost 7 years and have maybe had 1 problem total combined for all of them in that time. They are the definition of quality in my experience.
I agree every Samsung TV I had was straight garbage, get replacement from them then something else breaks .
Wow, this is very shady of Samsung. Thank you for calling this out. I was already avoiding Samsung because they don't support Dolby Vision, but they do make the best OLED panels used by other manufacturers that do support Dolby Vision with their implementations. I hope this continues or other OLED manufacturers can match or outperform Samsung's OLED tech before they discontinue it.
The 3 worst most useless features in a TV. 8K, Art Store, Anti Glare. Any one of those is reason enough to instantly not buy it. All 3 together, terrible.
This guy is a major Samsung fanboy. He has great content but Samsung has some big flaws he insists are good things.
I think you are missing the point. He's not a fanboy. He's simply excited to share what he perceives to be Samsung's new direction in tv's. Doesn't mean he actually approves.
@@bearclaw5115He is a fanboy!
Those 3 features are trash, plus Samsung doesn't want to adopt Dolby Vision and they ditched DTS support in 2019, sahme on them
8k for static high res pictures is easy to capture or scan the original artwork
Right, but for this particular application, it's utterly useless. Essentially just one more bit of meaningless marketing fluff to try and dazzle the consumer with.
Flagship TV? Gamers are still waiting for a flagship computer monitor, 4k, high refresh rate, HDR, high color accuracy, low response time
Yup. We're still putting up with 32" OLED monitors, and people that want a more optimal 4k size, still have to buy the LG C4 42", because there's nothing else out there. Those marketing departments are full of it.
Morning FOMO. Do you think RGB will come to the next iteration or successor to the Bravia 9.
Nobody cares about the art on Samsung TVs wtf, is that for real?
You've never heard of the Frame? They absolutely have their fans.
I have a Meural frame, which I like and which is a vastly overpriced art frame. I still don't care about the art store on my TV. My TV needs to be OLED, and hell no am I using an expensive OLED to display static images. Also, an art frame needs to be 3:2 or perhaps better yet 4:3. Also, electricity is expensive. Wasting it this way seems a bit rich and wasteful.
I'm getting a tv in March. I know I want QD oled screen. I only have 1600 to spend. I would like to try to get 65 inches and have Dolby vision. What do you recommend?? Please help!
AFAIK, you are screwed because Samsung sells their QD-OLED's cheaper but omit Dolby Vision. Sony has it but costs a mint.
I think you are better off forgetting about Dolby Vision and just getting the largest QD-OLED you can afford. Also waiting until Black Friday will pay dividends as well.
@bearclaw5115 So you think hdr 10+ is good? I was thinking of the s90D.
@@JorgeGonzalez-nz7hdi think with the higher brightness of the s95d etc dolby vision is less required but if you have content that specifically needs that to look it's best then I would instead look at lg and go woled with mla with the g4
LG C3 OLED 65" just went back to it's Black Friday Sale at $1199. You're welcome. Just saved you $400 .
@rho008 I want a qd oled display. So still looking.
What nonsense.
QD - OLED TV just started. That RGB micro LED is not micro LED as everyone knows, it is just a RGB mini LEDTV and Samsung hasn’t invented this because Hisense also bringing it out but they are calling it as it is. This is another LCD TV so it’s not a threat to QD - OLED technology.
You didn’t see Samsung minimizing OLED at CES with the LEAST floor space? You didn’t see Samsung pushing art features on everything except OLED? Follow the money or you’ll end up with a large Betamax movie collection
@@stopthefomo If Samsung thinks for even one second that adding the Art TV feature to other TVs is going to have ANY shot at boosting their profitability they are in for one hell of a big disappointment there on that. Relatively speaking, Samsung only sells a VERY small number of Frame TVs every year. And, of those few that they do sell, only a very small fraction of those actually use that Art TV subscription feature at all. Most consumers buy those to display either family photos or JPEG files of art images that they either created themselves or source elsewhere. Adding that feature to their other TVs isn't going to move the needle for them one bit. If that's the tool they think they can use to fight back against the Chinese brands, then they have already lost that battle.
Is Samsung caving and including DV? If not,I don’t really care. I’m shocked they have market share anymore
OK what would "I" be actually looking for in a TV in say 2027 ?
Refresh rate increase 240hz minimum
(it gets rid of a lot of the issues with (bad) image persistence) and totally removes the need for things like Black Frame insertion.
A new standard in connections.. Putting PC display port on would be a start, but a whole new HDMI standard is needed the current one is lousy.
Decent speakers would be nice - TV sound quality is all over the place.
Efficiency.. there is some much cheaper to run tech out there so don't make YOUR TV energy guzzling if someone else's isn't.
Good ideally "great" gaming performance.
Also the TV should still work fine with no loud pop ups screaming at you if it doesn't have an internet connection.
You don't want boxes showing up on screen when you turned your router off and are watching a TV boxed set off of discs or a Media drive.
Will - I get any of that... likely not. a TV that is perfect as a Gaming PC display for the living room isn't easy to find.
Yet PC is leaping ahead as a gaming format.. some of us don't want to be playing no games at a desk when they have a perfectly good sofa.
If somehow blue OLED (from UDC or others) arrives with a sustainable duration(lifespan), will oled burn-in go away? Does the lack of a viable Oled blue have anything to do with burn-in issues?
With Applied Material's new oled manufacturing machines, burn in could be effectively eliminated today. The new manufacturing can double the aperature ratio of oled pixels vs vapor deposition method(used currently). This could improve lifetime 5X at current brightness OR 3X brightness at current lifetime.
BTW this is without using PHOLED blue or any better oled materials.
@@FrowningTaco does it apply the subpixels in a normal RGB arrangement? If so, then that would make QDOLED the winning display technology for many years to come. Would be awesome to see computer monitors like that.
@@SpykerSpeed I agree. I don't know the technical reason why Samsung Display arrange their QD-Oled RGB pixels in a triangular pattern, so I don't know if this new manufacturing method would allow them to change it to RGB stripe or not. However, with a 3X brightness improvement they could reduce the amount of blue and green layers of oled material in the panel. Also, if they use blue quantum dots instead of using the scattering layer over the blue oled they could eliminate the ambient light raising black levels issue.
Taco, I'm curious about the timing of these improvements. Is it too late for these improvements to be introduced? Does Samsung need something new for marketing reasons that would cause it to abandon OLED even if burn-in and other main issues are resolved? I hate to use the phrase "too little, too late" as the part about "too little'' is not really applicable to resolving burn-in but it it too late to adapt AMAT's solution in a market that might be starving for a new new thing from a branding perspective? Anyway I hope the best for OLED. That said I'm no expert in what causes burn-in, not even close in fact - consider me the village idiot in that regard. With that in mind, how would you explain to the layman how AMAT's manufacturing solution solves burn-in? What caused burn-in to begin with and how did AMAT address this concern. That said, if you just want to provide a google search term or keywords we can use to find the answers ourselves we'd appreciate it. Not everyone is anyway close to your level of expertise based upon your feedback. Help the average consumer out if you can but I don't want to waste too much of your time. thanks!
You are so incredibly utterly wrong. 65" QD-OLED panels cost 700€ and sell for over 2000€ so I'd argue there's quite some margin. The issue is that the volume is too low and they attract to much attention (away from the QLEDs). That's why they shift attention to QLED again that sells in volume but not to trick people but to market what consumers want not what enthusiasts want.
Videos like these show why you're an influencer and not an analyst.
They are not back in the game. They are licensing HINSENCE tech by next year they will be overtaking by HINSENCE the rgb tv they are using is made by HINSENCE
Just wow. I don't think most people who want a good TV are thinking they can't do without "art functionality." I'm guessing that in addition to specs Samsung doesn't want to discuss the industry standards they refuse to observe that bargain brands such as Hisense respect. Such as DTS and Dolby Vision. I don't WANT 10K nits! My lowly A80CL sometimes gets uncomfortably bright. I suggest Panasonic or LG for someone who wants the best overall image in a 2025 TV. Or even a two year old A95L. I hope we don't get a repeat of the Kuro years where 10 year old TVs outperformed anything that was currently available new.
Ok I love art work...Definitely going to buy the Samsung 85 inch 8K RGB Where and when can I buy it.
Soooo, art gimmicks, more subscription borrocks, matt screens killing oleds main usp (black levels) and buying LCD tech from someone else for your flagships. Wow, times are bad lol
Not sure why brightness is the benchmark for development. 10,000 nits? No way I could cope with that.
It's only on the peak specular highlights, not the entire panel. But, we are unquestionably in the "Brightness Wars" now in the TV space. Why? Because bigger numbers on the spec sheet is what sells TVs to uninformed consumers. That's why.
So does this mean that within a year or two, a $2,000 85-inch LCD could top the performance of that $7,000 83-inch QD-OLED dream which never came true?
I think things will move more and more to MiniLED.
Samsung never managed to sell enough QDOLED panels to make it viable. If the rumours are true Sony isn't even buying any and going with Tandem OLED of MLA (can't see MLA since LG stopped them).
Sony in the leak placed miniLED as their top flagship product. Samsung still going with the 8K and now RGB MicroLED (MiniLED if we're real).
There is constant advancement and profit margin is so much bigger and so much easier to produce anything from 55-130" in the future.
As many people have already said in the comments Samsung referring to that TV as "Micro LED" is just shameful!
No one has ever accused Samsung of being a highly moral or ethical company, especially when it comes to their marketing and promotional efforts.
Wait.....are you using empty glasses frames without any lens in them? Why?
Am I just blind, because it really looks like those don't have any lens in them.
He's got anti-glare technology!
@@bearclaw5115 Yeah, when you only use the bare frames you don't get any glare.
So if he uses contact lenses plus the glasses frames, he get both the wearing glasses look but without any downside of using high powered lenses.
Still though.....it looks kind of goofy.
Is it just a style reason or is it something I don't get here. I remember that was a thing for a very brief period for 2 decades ago. But since then I haven't seen anyone use bare frames like that.
I don't see the point in 8K at all. Every test I have seen is that at the optimal viewing distance you can't see the difference between 4K and 8K. We have very little content even made for 4K at this point. 8K looks completely pointless.
about 1500 8k games in my steam library, another few thousand I haven't bought that do 8k.
Every tv reviewer out there was saying the same thing about 4k back in 2014.
I assure you, your eyes are better than 4k my friend. And the content issue is a red-herring because upscaling 4k content to 8k displays is bound to look great.
@@bearclaw5115Your full of it
@@bearclaw5115its a bit more complicated than that as many would take 4k oled over 8k qled and so on. 8k vs 4k on the same panel whilst will probably look better if you look hard enough you are talking about minimal returns and many would pick 4k for the cheaper price. Imo 8k will only get popular if higher sizes such as 83 inch plus become more normal or alternatively the 8k panels get to a price where it's barely any more than 4k to buy with many versions available to flood the market. It also need casual things like console and cable/on demand tv to start getting 8k for popular content and games
@@bearclaw5115 what I mean is that many reviewers have tested 4K vs 8K and found that people could not tell the difference at normal viewing distance. If you are showing art and you plan to walk up very close to the TV and inspect it closely then I could see a point but you don't watch TV and movies that way.
Your opinion which is better, Samsung, Sony, TLC or Hense?
For skin tones out of the box, I prefer Sony Panasonic but gaming I like Samsung while LG OLED is a great balance of everything not necessarily the best in any one thing while for 98”+ immersion best value performance I’d start with Hisense TCL
Unless the other OEM beats them at their pricing game, Samsung will survive with almost any move it makes.
The average consumer wants a TV with a great picture at the cheapest Price. Display type comes second, and Price comes first. I've seen it with my own eyes.
When I was picking up my A90j, a guy who bought two TCLs asked me why I paid so much when I could get two of the models he has. He didn't like my response when I asked him why he bought a Range Rover when he could buy two Honda SUVs. LOL. I think he got my point.
I'm running the Apple TV Snoopy stuff.
Personally, I thought this entire piece was fluff. really, when your looking for a TV , think art, right! then you said 8K are you kidding me, 98% of broadcast not even 1080P, then you said micro led, its the same scenario, TCL , Hisesne better picture half the cost. FoMo, have substance when you take up our time.
He's not endorsing Samsung's new direction, simply reporting. Don't shoot the messenger.
@@bearclaw5115 Perhaps you should watch it again! He's not just reporting he's framing everything.
@@pds4184 100% agree with everything you just said. 8K and art are a waste of time for TV enthusiasts.
@@erichagele 8k is a waste of time for everyone outside of specific professional applications. The difference from 4k to 5k/6k can be perceived in non-anti-aliased games, but the performance hit would rarely be worth it, while the jump to 8k would be imperceivable at any reasonable viewing distance.
I wish more of the influencers and journalist would call out when Samsung does some of their deceptive naming/maketing. Calling it MicroLED is slimy. I feel like they did that with their QLED since it looks really close to OLED when you glance at the lettering, especially for the normal consumer.
Influencers? 🤣
@ haha yea for better or worse that seems to be the common term nowadays 🤣
I had the s90c, s90d and s95d all were nothing but headaches with the s95d being the worst when it came to gaming with my 4090 with drop out due to Nvidia using DSC for high refresh rates. You need a perfect source or content looks as bas as on old projection tv. Im excited to get the new z95b or g5 4 stack oled or if sony will be releasing a new oled this year.
Damn, you're deep into the hobby! 5090 has your back with the new Display Port tech. No DSC needed.
They could make netflix 2:1 Aspect ratio tvs. Could be a big hype
LG 25 TV lineup will release a 4000 nit using a Primary RGB Tandem OLED technology as tested by HDTVTest
That won’t be in the retail units. They will only get to 2400 nits at best and they still don’t have great full screen brightness due to ABL in SDR and HDR.
I have a C3 OLED, and for the thousandth time, I literally don't need it to be any brighter and it literally can be viewed with all my blinds open in the middle of the day. This obsession of brightness output / nits, is ridiculous and literally debunked. OLED shouldn't go out because it's a near-perfect technology that can go full black down to the pixel.
Cool. I will enjoy my Sony Bravia 8 until 2027 and then switch to RGB Mini/MicroLED.
Everything Samsung is doing here sounds like complete BS. I cannot imagine ever paying a subscription for art on a TV, and 8k TVs are not going to be a mainstream thing anytime in the next 10 years. Image quality, performance, reliability and hardware features are the only thing that matter.
Mark my words. OLED will see 10,000 nits FOMO. It already has…. Just not on the consumer sides of things.
For Samsung, they can do whatever. They burned me, and I don’t think I’ll ever go back. I’m feeling fine riding with LG for a bit longer.
Fomo: Please find out the costs to the consumer of the art work and once you buy it is it yours to keep in your TV and is it transferrable to another later Samsung.
Who in the F is paying for art on your tv . Lmao what a joke . It’s always business first, customer last . It’s sad , I just want a really good tv that has everything I want . 3D passive, 4k , 4 hdmi 2.1 , anti glare , 3k nits, no burn in , 98% sdr and hdr color gamut, no side viewing degradation or color loss and a super fast responsive hardware cpu for internal performance and app and menu navigation and a fully customizable and calibrated tv setting options .
FOMO, I see where you are going there with all of this (and where you assert that Samsung is trying to go) but understand that almost NO ONE actually buys that Frame TV. Oh, it sells, but in incredibly LOW volume. And, most that do buy it, never end up even using that Art Store feature at all - and they certainly don't pay extra for a monthly subscription for it. If anything, they use that feature to display photos they took themselves of family members and friends, like a massive photo frame. If THAT'S the strategy that Samsung thinks is going to fend off the ever-increasing assault from the Chinese brands (Hisense and TCL) then they are in for a VERY rude awakening. It won't. Recall here that both of those companies now offer their own version of The Frame TV as well, at a fraction of the price that Samsung charges. If THAT'S their only real defense against them, then Samsung HAS no defense against them - and they are essentially finished in the TV space, or likely very soon will be.
Samsung might not care about specs, I do. If they don't give me the numbers, how am I knowing what I am buying? I just won't. The only reason why I own a Samsung is QD OLED. All the rest, I don't care about. I need a screen. It does not need to do anything else. No sound, no smarts.
Also, I hate how Samsung is constantly trying to confuse customers with their marketing. I hated working with them in the past, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with their BS anymore.
Remember when Samsung pushed edge lit as far superior to Fald. And then they pushed everything into a curved panel. always trying to find a niche and control the market
Sorry fomo Samsung isnt increasing 8k for art subscription. They see the market shift to 100” screens and 4k looks like 1080p at that size. I bet they are working on ai upscaling algorithms that will make all streaming content go to close to 8k rez and look great to the general consumer
If their living rooms aren't growing, I don't see this kind of size in the average living room
@@tobiasbauer198 Average? Average garages don't contain Ferrari's either but that doesn't mean they aren't worth producing!
my interior design mother would likely love this art store thing. That and she watches news/stock news channels that have always blocked an OLED screen from being considered. For the last part that is true for me as well but I would add subtitles for Netflix as a reason we have avoided OLED burn-in issues. My wife is hooked on South Korean dramas. Go figure.
stock ticker, sure, but subtitles? Subtitles won't burn in an oled full stop.
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Hmm, if these can hit like 10K nits with QD oled color gamut or higher and cheaper than Oled?? Sign me up!!
Yes, but what about blooming? What until you see a unit with your own eyes before signing up!
the raw image is probably 100 mega pixels 8k is 33 mega pixels. no need to upres.
Samsung is trying to take the easy road here.
I think they will ultimately learn that you must compete.
only if samsung rbg microed was in 65 inch also not everybody trying go up to 75 inch ugh lol
Still no Dolby Vision... smh...
LCDs wont replace OLEDs never, whatever they are lit by miniLEDs or microLEDs
Never for ne any samsung tv after buying the s95b qd oled tv new. After just 3 weeks of use tv apps started crashing frequently also tv would freeze then must perform hard power on restart crap,when i called samsung customer support 👏 was told this is normal operation because tv is a smart tv 😮😅
Call it what you want, its all about the look and price.
The price is too high, that’s the problem
samsung invest tones of money in quantum dots, so I bet the QDEL will replace QD-OLEDs
They all have quantum dots.
Yo FOMO my guy..... I respect you man
but this has got to be some BS eilte troll level video
samsung is finished if they think subscription to some art store is what's gonna help topple TCL and Hisense and its crazy you're here hyping that up
NO ONE is buying a samsung over the others if dangling an art subscription is what they think will be the difference maker
I really doubt so many people will buy an expensive tv based on the ability to show art. This sounds like a desperate strategy to impress people, just like the AI craziness. For me, as I really want to buy a new tv this year, it matters like 0% if it has AI or art as marketing choice. The only thing that matters for a tv is picture quality and that is it. As for gaming features, me being a light gamer also, some 144 VRR and two HDMI 2.1 ports are more than enough. Rest is just dust in the eyes, 5000 nits and all kind of picture settings and noise reduction, have always been just gimmicks to play with for a day. I agree that miniLED is the go to technology. I have high hopes from Sony this year and I hope the more conservative Japanese will not let themselves dragged in this mess, although, traditionally, their TV's are the most expensive on the market but this year, seems to be worth it. As far as the Chinese brands, TCL and Hisense go, I really hope they will give a run for their money to the rest of the brands.
I've bought from every tv brand. Samsung and TCL are the best I've owned.
Every brand has winners and losers. The world isn't as simple as you make it out to be. After all, the panels themselves are often made by a different company.
RGB mini-led isn't micro-led...
In reality all these Gallery, Lifestyle TV from Samsung and LG are all bullshit for me, i can` t be so stupid to use my tv as a framed painting or anything possible crap like this!
What is the specific brightness that will check all the boxes. I personally do not understand. At the same time, these manufacturers release brighter and brighter and brighter TVs. But why? What is the end goal on brightness? No one ever talks about this. Almost all HDR content is mastered at 1,000 nits. So my question is, why do we care about the brightness exceeding 1,000 nits? Who is having trouble seeing 1,000 nits? It's buying a race car that can go 800mph when you can only drive 75mph. Sony has TVs now that all do over 1,000 nits oled and LCD, so whats the problem? How bright will a tv need to go in order for us all to say we are there. Or do we just keep moving the goal post every time we get close? The irony is that almost ALL programming has gotten darker, and trying to tell someone that HDR is a brighter format may think you are insane for saying something that is so obviously not true. We were just watching SILO on Apple TV in HDR, this show is probably using about 60 nits max. Many film directors state they only need 100nits to light their movie properly. So which is it? do we need an unlimited amount of nits or is there a number that a TV should be able to produce that we all can agree that is acceptable (and we wont complain the following years that we need more brightness). I would like to suggest a display able to go to 1,000 nits in a 100% window is where we want to get to, and not many displays can do these. The apple iPad Pro can do 1,000 nits full screen 1,600 nits in a 10% window. Think these are good specs to use as a standard. What does everyone else think?
Some errors in your thinking there.
First, a tv can use dynamic tone-mapping to allow for brighter highlights even if the content is mastered at a lower level.
Second 1,000 nits on a 100% window is searing. Even 200 seems bright in a dark room.
The purpose of a tv going beyond 1,000 nits is to create better highlights. Sunlight, fireworks, headlights, these things are all much brighter IRL than any tv can presently do.
And until they can the quest for more is on!
Nobody keyrs...
If I get 8 million dimming zones, I will consider a LCD screen. If not, I don't care. At all. It is irrelevant. The image quality isn't there. My laptop is OLED, for crying out loud. My next monitor will be OLED. Anything below OLED or QED is irrelevant. Also, 8K is irrelevant. I also hate that they don't communicate what you get.
RGB microLED is worse than OLED. 10.000 nits... who cares? I have 1.200 and it is too bright. I need perfect black right next to 1.000 nits pixels. Not going to happen with LCD. Ever.
This is stupid. Displaying art through an app is not an edge. Anyone can do it and for free too
To be clear, Samsungs new RGB Micro-TV is NOT a Micro LED tv? Does that make sense to anyone on earth?????? Why dont they just call their new LCD TV "RGB Laser Quantum LED Pro Elite TV"? If you are going to straight up and lie, lie big at least...
I will give my money to Samsung the day they update manual of their Tv accessory on their site in english
There is accessory vg-arac43 1 year old, not documented and sold nowhere it's a motor for Tv
....yes, and this lies of samsung degraded the company in my eyes in the way that I prefer other brands to the samsung.
I just wish Samsung would make a better remote control for their TV’s. lol.