I think the biggest turn off for me from Civ VI is the graphics. I just really enjoy the are style of Civ V a lot better, and I was never able to pick-up Civ VI because of the visuals.
Played both The gameplay of 5 was a major turn off what do you mean i can only have a 4 city empire for most of the game In terms of gameplay civ 6 is waaaaaay better In terms of graphics yeah civ 5 is better
@@bahabelhajamor7447 Yeah Civ VI has some cool in depth things that elevate it in terms of pure gameplay. Like I said, it is just the graphics for me lol.
@@bahabelhajamor7447we’ll worry not because there is a mod for just the thing, just find the workshop page for Civ 6 and you can download it right away and have the old Civ 5 graphics back
I'm still playing CIV5 in 2023. CIV6, like you say, looks like a mobile game and none of the reviews I've seen make me feel like I'm missing out by sticking to 5.
On the civ V diplomacy, leaders have agenda's and personalities too and you can look them up on the wiki. It isn't that diplomacy isn't a big part of the game, it's just that it is too hidden for most to realize. AI manipulation is a strategy all of its own that can singlehandedly win you games, and be your single anti-war strategy for an entire Deity tier game.
I don't know why, but TH-cam has only just deigned to show me this comment, but I thought it was a good one, so I'll respond. I'm in a constant struggle between games being hard to master and them simply not being transparent enough. Perhaps your right, perhaps I haven't given Civ V's diplomacy its proper due, but that is the fault of the game's design to keep it so hidden. So it's still a flaw in my mind.
@@strattom1759 I agree. I did not find out about AI diplomacy until I tried an interesting strategy from a forum that both explained and required it. A religion, piety based, small and intentionally not tall. The entire anti-war strategy is to use having the same religion for your neighbors, traded recently, and pitting neighbors that are becoming a threat against each other by paying off a warmonger to fight that guy. Ever since then diplomacy has been an integral part of how I keep immortal and deity enemies at bay until I am ready to fight them. A 5g per turn gift (just trading it for nothing) at the right time can turn a threat into an ally. (This gives the traded recently bonus in your relationship with them).
I do love the SimCity aspect of Civ 5, where getting as much luxuries and improving them in your borders were really important. Civ 6 just doesn't have that.
I have thousands and thousands of hours in Civ 5 and keep coming back to it again. I lost all interest in really playing through Civ 6 a couple hundred hours in. Civ 5 to me had that snowball effect where the culture, science, religion, finances, and choices could all stack up and build momentum into an avalanche of steamrolling through the late game. I never got that feel with Civ 6. Oddly enough, I still come back and play Civ 3 more than Civ 6; especially some of the scenarios.
I wholeheartedly hate the district system in 6. Moreover, in 6 at most time I feel like I'm just following instructions and clicking buttons. That's it. I don't feel like I'm developing and expanding my civ like in 5. 5>>>>>>>>>>6
agreed, the play styles required are very different, in civ6 you have to build wide, whilst in civ5 the game encourages you to build tall 4 - 6 super cities
@@shoddypeasant8762 i hear this a lot and as a civ vi player who hasn't played civ v i just don't get what the fun of playing tall is when the district mechanic is nonexistent
When you started talking about narrators, before you even went there, my first thought immediately went to "well neither narrator in Civ V or Civ VI is as good as Civ IV's Leonard Nimoy!"... then you went there and I laughed. I'd gladly take a mod that xfered Civ IV's narration over to Civ V.
Imma be honest, I only started playing Civ 5 because I loved the leader screens. Now I've become a roman emperor in possesion of 2 cities, 667 coins, and only 1 empire met, since i'm purely concentrating on expansion and the best for my citizens. I also have 2 wonders.
Civ 1 and 2 didn't have builders or workers. Settlers (and their upgraded Engineer unit in civ 2) did all the builder functions as well as being able to create new cities.
@@strattom1759 I spent countless hours on it. It just has so much depth and each civilization is completely different. My dream would be Civ 5 graphics and hex fields, civ 6 citybuilding, Humankind maps and everything else from civ 4 Realism invictus.
I think another reason for Civ VI's artstyle is because they didn't want it to be too demanding on PC, and they wanted to get as many people to be able to run it as possible. I know when I started playing Civ V when I was 13, I didn't have a good enough computer to run it, and I had to play it at the lowest settings possible just to get it to run decently enough. I don't imagine that being an issue in Civ VI though, although I could be wrong.
@@appropriate-channelname3049 Obviosuly, even the most basic PCs made in 2016 when Civ VI came out are more powerful than the ones in 2010 when V came out
Players enjoy games with a range of factors coming into play. These factors range from the way the AI plays, the sounds, the music, the graphics and the playable style. There is usually no defining one thing that makes any game. With Civ 5 the experience is really great across almost all aspects of the game. For this reason it has remained really popular. Does it matter when it was released? Not at all. The main thing is this game is just so enjoyable. Civ 6, (in my opinion) just does not tick as many boxes. At the end of the day it is really up to personal taste. My vote goes to Civ 5.
I only ever play for Domination or Diplomatic victory in Civ, and for this reason I like V better than VI. But I can admit, I just like turn based war strategy with the depth and simplicity of Civ. Civ VI is a better "Civilization Simulator" in my opinion. I do wish they had "Barbarian Clans" mode in V. Making deals with barbarian tribes who could turn into future city-states is one of the coolest additions to the series for me
Barbarian cities could already turn into a city-state civ, then a normal multi-cities civ, in Civ 4. Civ 6 "Barbarian Clans" isn't a new addition to the series, the concept already existed in Civ 4!
I think as "Civilization Simulator", Civ 4 is doing a better job: Every city improvement is actually visible on the map, the notion of cottage growing to village then cities with time, like our city's suburbs, is really well done. Diplomacy is better implemented in Civ 4, you actually know why a Civ is liking you or not, with a list of pros and cons events happened in the past. And the AI is quite challenging, it knows how to play the game. In my opinion, Civ 4 > 6 > 5.
Great and nice video 👍In Civ 5, graphics is more realistic but in Civ 6 it's so cartoonish and look like mobile games. I think another important difference between Civ 5 and 6 is about how much detail is shown on the map. In Civ 5, you can see all the necessary info (like units and land improvements) but in Civ 6, the map is so crowded and I can't distinguish items or find troops and it's so annoying. Maybe it's related to designing the map that has too many 3D details on it. Keep on making great videos 🙂
I gave up on Civ after Civ 4. I play single player and the AI for combat was utterly laughable in Civ 5. I remember being excited at the idea of ranged troops, combined arms, etc. Only to be shocked by the AI moving catapults next to my cavalry, repeatedly. I don’t know whether it’s been fixed but I was so horrified at how much of a mess they’d made I switched to other games. I still occasionally load up Civ 4 but have never gone back to 5 or 6.
the civ5 ai depends on who ur fighting, sometimes they're absolute garbage, other times they can literally wipe out 2 riflemen with knights and elephants, like bruh srsly? i swear that siam'll pay
Community Patch mod for Civ 5 makes the AI pretty good. The most challenging Civ AI to date. I've played 4, 5, and 6. I wish that mod existed for Civ 6 because its my favorite game overall.
I returnee civ 6 platinum after 40 mins of gameplay. I hated every change including the graphics. Now im going back in my steam librsry to reinstall 4 and the expansions i own but never installed. Fireaxis ruined civ 6 for me and if 7 is more of the dame i wont buy it.
I think the main season I never really got into 6 was just how busy I was during that time in my life. I think, for me, it is a matter of taking the time to get used to the changes. Because I initially didn't like every single new civ game when I first played them, until I took some time to learn the mechanics of the game. But I agree about the graphics... The cartoonish nature of the the civilization leaders really bothered me... @@AJays734
One thing I don't like about Civ V or VI is the inability to create one's own new Civ w/o going full mod mode, where one has to know how to code up a mod. A custom option to create one's own step-by-step custom civilization would have been ideal. So if one wants to create, say, a civilization w/ an unknown leader, one could then have whipped up one, saved it, and then played it The other thing about Civ VI is that they don't lock some features when needed. For instance, if one is playing an European scenario, it would normally be fine to have only Christians civilizations play it: it doesn't make sense to show, say, France embracing Buddhism or Spain embracing Daoism, but that possibility is there for Civ VI AI players Will there be a Civ VII?
Civ V us much better, graphic the feeling of playing civ vi is too cartoon like and ita missing the one more turn, art Style in civ v is amazing the painted pictures of the world wonders are great
Honestly just like a lot of people it boils down to me not being able to stomach the cartoonish whimiscal aesthetic, Civ 5 gives me the same cozy vibe as watching a historical documentary late at night, Civ 6 feels like I'm playing a kids board game...also Civ 5's music is legendary
To be honest, I think Civ4 beyond the sword is better than both. Though the map is composed of squares, not hexes, the battle system is far better, with unlimited units on any square. I like to play quick games on standard size maps as a single player. Years of playing and I am still not bored due to the variations within the game. I try to beat my highest score of a little over 55,000 points. Favorite leaders... Ramses, William Van Orange, and Louis 14. Got bored with Civ 5 very quickly, so I never went to Civ 6.
I played civ 5 hundreds of hours. I played civ 6 platinum and returned it after 40 mins. I hated every possible aspect of civ 6 in 40 mins of gameplay. Now im reinstalling civ 4 because i never played the expansions for it that i already own. Probably wont be buying civ 7 if its like civ 6.
Some of your criticisms of Civ 6, such as the cards system and the finite capacity of builders, speaks IMO to you not understanding how Civ 6 changes the way you have to navigate the challenges of the game and merely are reacting to changing away from something that is familiar to you.
I agree. I stopped the video at the comparisons between each entry’s culture tree. There were optimal tree paths with little variety, and the culture tree filled itself. There was little interaction on the player’s part. This seems like a very common criticism of Civ 6… people don’t want to play the game, they want to click a glowing button.
My dude made a fair point about graphic style and desgin but almost entitely unvalidated his own point showing Cleopatra, she is so great im CIV6! Algo, I miss a discussion about the music they are great in both game and is the hardest one to chose which one is better, at least for me.
One of my favorite games that I play in lieu of Civ is WinWar II v2. It's a shareware game from the 1990s that is a turn-based strategy game based on WW2 with grid movement/combat. The coolest part is the map configuration is just a text file so you can edit the names of places and create scenarios. You're still stuck with a static world map and fixed teams (USA, France, USSR, and England vs. Germany, Italy, and Japan), but otherwise you can do some really cool stuff.
I actually like the Pixar-esque look of Civ VI and the options when it comes to leaders and their personas; i just dont like being more or less forced to build wide
There is an Rise of Kingdoms version of CIV 5 the themes are similar the difference is the game. It's called Civilization Reign of Power I know most of you know this game and it is a multiplayer strategy game. Unlike Sid Meier's original civ games, CIV: Reign of Power is not like a board game version of a strategy game it's more of a war and building game and what I mean about building game is that you can actually build something inside your city and you can see anything there. For example: farm, Monument, Barracks Also unlike CIV 5 and 6, you can send soldiers outside your city but they return after attacking and collecting.
An excellent analysis. Just this past year I made the choice to go back to Civ V after playing VI for a few months. While I love the districts and wonders being in their own hexes I find the golden age mechanic in VI to be absolutely unbearable.
Agreed, Civ 4 is the best entry, a timeless masterpiece. Hope they will take some inspirations from 4 when making the 7. This game is still so good today.
I like the wonder placement in VI, and the way the environment impacts the look of the city...and that's about it. Everything else I like better in V, but especially the movement and the builders. Builders not being able to build roads is infuriating. I also don't like the policy card system in place of V's culture advancement. Policy cards may present more varied strategic opportunities to pursue objectives, but the system doesn't *feel* thematically gratifying, it's so abstracted. Sure it works, you get synergistic + signs, but unlocking a new policy card never felt as exciting as progressing the civilization's identity as explorers, or artisans, etc.
On culture; civ 5 keeps you in a box, you progress through a described culture block that only got its label from people in the present looking back. The future people will label what our present culture is/was. In civ 6 your culture is what policies you gravitate towards through your play style. You aren't just an honor culture that evolves into an exploration culture, those are labels. You are the honor culture at different times in history when you need or want it to be so, and the policies have greater relevance so that it doesn't feel like you are going backwards.
Civ V is WAY more noob friendly. The main reason being that Civ VI has a lot more interconnected systems that require more understanding for micromanagement (like the governor cards, the culture track, and district planning), as well as some very unintuitive design choices (like the expended worker's mentioned in the video, but also the movement system in VI creates some very frustrating and weird interactions). One of the the most noob-unfriendly aspects in VI is how aggressive and brutal early era barbarians are, and VI took away default city defending capabilities (it is something that needs to be researched). This is not to say Civ V is too easy, but I think it is far easier to get into a game and begin to explore its systems. Civ VI in comparison feels more cumbersome and punishing.
Might as well start with Civ 6 to see where the series will go with Civ 7. Civ 5 is probably more noob-friendly but Civ 6 is a more complete game, since all systems interact with each other.
Well made video. I can tell where your personal opinion tipped the scale. I can't tell if combat in Civ V is so much better. I like the concept of how Civ VI uses tiles more distinctly. Regarding the graphics I found the cartoonish style also a bit too playful, but I can live with that. I like the art style of the main map and how it reveals new areas, also clearly showing what I can't see continuously much better. Like a double layered fog of war. It seems especially with the Add-Ons Civ VI became a more complex experience as a whole. I find that more challenging and interesting.
Yeah I think it’s high time we moved past pining Civ5; Civ6 is a far more complex offering from every point of view, and this is a strategy game after all. It’s always jarring when you’ve mastered an edition of the game and there’s change, but Civ6 is easily a far more dynamic game IMO. There’s now a mod to make the art style more realist again
Yeah I didn't really get the military win over Civ VI either. Getting into an actual standstill is a good thing and taking cities that are fortified should be very difficult you should really only be waging war when you know you have a severe advantage 1v1. Main problem is that the AI can't do that well with the military options available but the military game as a whole is better than Civ V.
The problem with combat in Civ VI is that the AI is so incredibly bad at it. They just don't use their units properly and don't build enough of them to begin with (prince difficulty) either they are unprepared as you declare on them, or they are unprepared as they declare on you. I wouldn't really call it almost the same... in Civ V if you make a stronger person angry they gonna come at you. Not as effective as the doom stackers of IV, but good enough. Also in VI you have to bypass the launcher to actually be able to play without crashing every 15 minutes.
I dropped off of Civ for a long time, finally picked it back up with V, and while I still enjoy it and am considering picking up VI since its on sale on Steam for $3 currently, i just dunno. Comparison of the two aside, the gameplay loop still feels limited to the extent that, unless you absolutely beeline for one of the victory conditions from the very beginning, you probably arent going to get it, which makes developing an empire feel less... organic.
@@nehemiasgroppi4397 Fair enough. Well yeah, I didn't find a spot to talk about them. What do you think about them? Good feature or is Civ V better for not having them?
i think both narrators did a great job, also that narration while nice isn't very impactful and should be a point. unless one narrator is god and the other is a crack pipe i don't think this should have been a point at all. score would be 5 to 3
and i like the builder system in 6. rather than just running around building anything and everything you want for the rest of the game, you are forced to make decisions on what you want to develop. you can make more. plenty more. but then you have to choose to do that over something else. i like having impactful choices and i think its a great direction for any game. make you responsible for your decisions.
I played 40 mins of civ 6 and when my builder disappeared after building 3 tiles and all the insane micomanaging pop ups i peaced out and requested a refund on steam. And i bought platinum edition for 17$. Civ 6 even looked terrible visually. It was like a blurry cartoon style cell phone game. I hayed every aspect of civ 6.
I agree, what drove me away from Civ VI was the cartoonish graphic design... I liked how the old Civs were looking for realism, the trailer for the Civ 5 still gives me chills to this day... the narration, the graphics,... it is like an epic movie... I miss that... gladly we still have the Total War series...
I think the builders are much better in 6. Having them as a resource provides much more strategy (aka using right cards at the right time). In civ 5, after a while i just sent them to auto-improve and it was non interactive
I don't hate Civ VI, but it does not mesh well with my playstyle. Civ V was a lot of fun once you got used to it. Out of the entire series, I think Civ I and Civ II were the best (based on 'fun'). Meier's Pirates and Railroad Tycoon also rocked - he was a gaming god at one point.
I really liked civ 5 but i wish there was holy wars like in civ 6. I find it fun spreading religion but not being able to do against foreign religion aside from exerting pressure seems lackluster.
I like both but I like 6 better because taking cities is way too difficult in 5, and the happiness penalties for too many cities is stupid. I like the buildings in 5 better though, districts and district adjacency in 6 is annoying. Also Civ 6 graphics are way better, Civ V feels years older than it actually is
Me here feeling like the cartoony and more vibrant design of Civ 6 is actually more appealing, and I'm by no means someone who ever plays mobile games, but I just like the art style more.
I've played V and I'm still playing VI. Definitely enjoy playing VI more. In terms of base game, I like lots of things about VI such as the district system, military combat and the religion mechanic. The expansion packs for VI are a different matter though. I hate the loyalty mechanic introduced in VI: Rise and Fall. It's too strict at higher difficulty levels, which essentially makes the game unplayable. While I don't mind the climate change mechanic introduced in VI: Gathering Storm, I feel like cities became much harder to conquer in that expansion.
I prefer the cartoony look of Civ 6, I am incredibly new to the Civilization series, and ran into this debate when deciding to buy Civ 6. I think Civ 6’s artstyle is much more appealing and friendly to newer players while Civ 5’s artstyle is much more intimidating for players who are new, but want to try turn based strategy as a whole. Though I do see the argument of appealing to Fortnite’s audience or looking too much like a mobile game and I say “Fair enough”
I think you're absolutely righ, I do look at this from the perspective of a grizzled old strategy gamer. There's no arguing with the fact that Civ VI has drawn in a new audience to the game and the strategy genre as a whole. I've found myself warming even further to Civ VI since I made this video. It is an excellent game.
The reason it looks cartoonish and mobile game-like is because it’s literally a mobile game. And to me the art style is a blatant downgrade. It looks so corporate and soulless. Like it’s designed in a boardroom to appeal to hyperactive kids. It’s borderline creepy. No offense. I’m not sure how you deduced that Civ 5 is a more intimidating game based on graphics alone. It actually has fewer mechanics than civ 6, I’d argue that it’s easier due in part to the lack of districting. You can’t make assumptions about gameplay based on graphics like that.
Apart prom the more fun and playful style I like the animations in VI. Also let thus cartoonish art style fool you. From what I can tell Civ VI has a more layered and complex Gameplay.
I like and dislike the games for kind of the exact opposite reasons 😅. I love the art style of VI but I like the gameplay of V more. It feels simpler, more manageable and more traditional than for example the district system which both adds and removes complexity. Also I think while I love the art style of the characters and the map, the UI of Civ V feels so much cleaner. It really is a weird comparison between the two. I also can't see the full story though since VI is like... way more expensive? I have all the DLC for V and that's maybe why it feels more complete but holy hell, VI is expensive with all the nations and expansions that are almost the full price of a new game! So yeah, it's hard for me to compare them equally.
Having said that I gave up on Civ after Civ 4 I am hoping that Old World is the spiritual successor. The AI seems much better at combat and there’s a lot of depth. I’ve only had it a few days so I’m not sure yet. My first impression of Humankind was positive but I became disillusioned quickly. Fingers crossed.
I've actually just written a review of Old World. I've had to move house recently and I'm still getting things sorted (hence the lack of videos recently). But that will be my first video once I'm back.
People who might mention big empires and civilisations. And forget to mention Iraq, Sumerian, Babylon and many more from this land between the two rivers. Have never read history or don't even know about where the real civilisation emerged from.
my biggest issue with 6 is how the climate change model is a one way street...you can mitigate the emissions for the whole planet fifty times over with no reverse impacts
You said only good things about Civ6 Warfare and lots of critic about Civ5 Warfare but you still gave the point to Civ5? 😂 This whole comparison seems strongly biased. You dont get into the details of different mechanics, it seems like you just dont like many of the Civ6 Mechanics because they are just different from Civ5
I think Civ IV is still the best, but prefer V over VI. I find VI is just so slow paced, has too many civics, and it is too easy to culture flip cities.
For solo game IA of the 5 are more interesting. ( i play in immortal) and in civ 5 the IA fight you with all their power for win the game. In civ 6 IA are very hard at he beginning but if you survive you win easy the game. The party become boring. But in civ 5 you must keep your guard still the end. Most fun (for difficulty immortal its level 7). And war in civ 5 is more apocalyptique. War between the IA too. When Shaka zulu unify the other big continent it's bad for you. In the 6 no destructive war between IA after midle age. Borring.
My brother and I play CIV 5 every Sunday. We love CIV 5 and it is better than CIV 6. We dislike CIV 6 about districts of additional city squares and maps. CIV 5 is the best 4X civ builder game in the game market.
I dont mind the leaders in civ 6, theyre kinda charming honestly. for me its the brightly colored, toyish looking world map and the gui
use the civ 5 reskin mod
At least the music is at its best
I think the biggest turn off for me from Civ VI is the graphics. I just really enjoy the are style of Civ V a lot better, and I was never able to pick-up Civ VI because of the visuals.
then use the civ5 graphics mod, retextures everything in civ6 to better match civ5
Agreed, Civ VI graphics are shit. Even Civ IV has better graphics.
Played both
The gameplay of 5 was a major turn off what do you mean i can only have a 4 city empire for most of the game
In terms of gameplay civ 6 is waaaaaay better
In terms of graphics yeah civ 5 is better
@@bahabelhajamor7447 Yeah Civ VI has some cool in depth things that elevate it in terms of pure gameplay. Like I said, it is just the graphics for me lol.
@@bahabelhajamor7447we’ll worry not because there is a mod for just the thing, just find the workshop page for Civ 6 and you can download it right away and have the old Civ 5 graphics back
I'm still playing CIV5 in 2023. CIV6, like you say, looks like a mobile game and none of the reviews I've seen make me feel like I'm missing out by sticking to 5.
On the civ V diplomacy, leaders have agenda's and personalities too and you can look them up on the wiki. It isn't that diplomacy isn't a big part of the game, it's just that it is too hidden for most to realize. AI manipulation is a strategy all of its own that can singlehandedly win you games, and be your single anti-war strategy for an entire Deity tier game.
I don't know why, but TH-cam has only just deigned to show me this comment, but I thought it was a good one, so I'll respond.
I'm in a constant struggle between games being hard to master and them simply not being transparent enough. Perhaps your right, perhaps I haven't given Civ V's diplomacy its proper due, but that is the fault of the game's design to keep it so hidden. So it's still a flaw in my mind.
@@strattom1759 I agree. I did not find out about AI diplomacy until I tried an interesting strategy from a forum that both explained and required it.
A religion, piety based, small and intentionally not tall.
The entire anti-war strategy is to use having the same religion for your neighbors, traded recently, and pitting neighbors that are becoming a threat against each other by paying off a warmonger to fight that guy.
Ever since then diplomacy has been an integral part of how I keep immortal and deity enemies at bay until I am ready to fight them.
A 5g per turn gift (just trading it for nothing) at the right time can turn a threat into an ally. (This gives the traded recently bonus in your relationship with them).
he also didnt mention the world congress at all, and thats how you get the diplomatic victory (in civ 5 at least idk about civ 6)
I do love the SimCity aspect of Civ 5, where getting as much luxuries and improving them in your borders were really important. Civ 6 just doesn't have that.
Sean Bean still dies in the opening cinematics. He plays the father character in the original opening cinematic.
Well, it is tradition that he should
I have thousands and thousands of hours in Civ 5 and keep coming back to it again. I lost all interest in really playing through Civ 6 a couple hundred hours in. Civ 5 to me had that snowball effect where the culture, science, religion, finances, and choices could all stack up and build momentum into an avalanche of steamrolling through the late game. I never got that feel with Civ 6. Oddly enough, I still come back and play Civ 3 more than Civ 6; especially some of the scenarios.
I have thousands of hours in Civ 5 and 3.
Currently playing Call to Power again, I know I know not really a Civ game
This was a great review, Tom. I’m shocked by how few subscribers you have given the excellent quality of your videos. Keep up the good work!
I wholeheartedly hate the district system in 6.
Moreover, in 6 at most time I feel like I'm just following instructions and clicking buttons. That's it. I don't feel like I'm developing and expanding my civ like in 5.
5>>>>>>>>>>6
I think that civ 5 and 6 have become too different to directly compare anymore. At this point I believe it's a matter of personal taste
Agree, Civ5 better supports playing Tall while Civ6 better supports playing Wide
Each game could probably have its own sense of art style. But if we get another"mobile game" graphic design in the next civ game, there's a problem.
agreed, the play styles required are very different, in civ6 you have to build wide, whilst in civ5 the game encourages you to build tall 4 - 6 super cities
@@Crispy-Chips yeah I didn't like how they chose the civ Rev art style for civ 6
@@shoddypeasant8762 i hear this a lot and as a civ vi player who hasn't played civ v i just don't get what the fun of playing tall is when the district mechanic is nonexistent
This is my first time playing a Civilization game. I didn't know Civ 5 had those graphics. I'm excited to see what Civ 7 will be like!
When you started talking about narrators, before you even went there, my first thought immediately went to "well neither narrator in Civ V or Civ VI is as good as Civ IV's Leonard Nimoy!"... then you went there and I laughed. I'd gladly take a mod that xfered Civ IV's narration over to Civ V.
Leonard Nimoy was so good in 4. I have a soft spot for Civ IV, it was the first Civ game that I properly got into
Idk i really liked william morgan sheppard.
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Imma be honest, I only started playing Civ 5 because I loved the leader screens.
Now I've become a roman emperor in possesion of 2 cities, 667 coins, and only 1 empire met, since i'm purely concentrating on expansion and the best for my citizens. I also have 2 wonders.
Civ 1 and 2 didn't have builders or workers. Settlers (and their upgraded Engineer unit in civ 2) did all the builder functions as well as being able to create new cities.
The District system is actually the main reason why I DON'T like Civ 6.
It severely hamstrings your ability to play Tall
There is no tall in Civ 6 really. Spam cities always, every Civ.
Awesome video. Very high quality and great in-depth analysis. For me civ 4 with Realism Invictus is still the goat
Thank you! I am thinking of doing a video on Civ 4 as it was my first love in the civ series. Will have to check that mod out
@@strattom1759 I spent countless hours on it. It just has so much depth and each civilization is completely different. My dream would be Civ 5 graphics and hex fields, civ 6 citybuilding, Humankind maps and everything else from civ 4 Realism invictus.
I think another reason for Civ VI's artstyle is because they didn't want it to be too demanding on PC, and they wanted to get as many people to be able to run it as possible. I know when I started playing Civ V when I was 13, I didn't have a good enough computer to run it, and I had to play it at the lowest settings possible just to get it to run decently enough. I don't imagine that being an issue in Civ VI though, although I could be wrong.
You're not wrong I play this for hours on my iPhone 11 pro 😂
What are you talking about civ 6 is way more graphically demanding than 5
@@appropriate-channelname3049 Obviosuly, even the most basic PCs made in 2016 when Civ VI came out are more powerful than the ones in 2010 when V came out
@@darkemperor418 Could it be played in hawuei smart z of 2019? I have 4gb of ram, if I buy the cv iv through steam could I play it from my hawuei?
@@delasgoe I don’t know much about Hawuei or androids so I’m not sure
Players enjoy games with a range of factors coming into play. These factors range from the way the AI plays, the sounds, the music, the graphics and the playable style. There is usually no defining one thing that makes any game. With Civ 5 the experience is really great across almost all aspects of the game. For this reason it has remained really popular. Does it matter when it was released? Not at all. The main thing is this game is just so enjoyable.
Civ 6, (in my opinion) just does not tick as many boxes. At the end of the day it is really up to personal taste. My vote goes to Civ 5.
One day Pocatello and the Shoshone will build those Casinos I dream of!
Lmao
I wish someone made a civ 5 or 6 warhammer 40k mod. Or if the warhammer team and the civ team got together and made a civ like in the 40k universe
There already is a game like civ for Warhammer 40 k it's called gladius relics of war
warhammer is super lame
@@thug588 L take
@@bringbackpluto4134 its lame
*cancels download and launches civ 5*
Well, I only needed to get up to the 3minutes mark to decide which one to keep playing and which one to keep ignoring. GG, thx for the vid.
I personally prefer Civ 6 but I'd give Civ 5 the point for workers just on the basis that in Civ 5 workers can build roads while they can't in Civ 6
I only ever play for Domination or Diplomatic victory in Civ, and for this reason I like V better than VI. But I can admit, I just like turn based war strategy with the depth and simplicity of Civ. Civ VI is a better "Civilization Simulator" in my opinion.
I do wish they had "Barbarian Clans" mode in V. Making deals with barbarian tribes who could turn into future city-states is one of the coolest additions to the series for me
Barbarian cities could already turn into a city-state civ, then a normal multi-cities civ, in Civ 4. Civ 6 "Barbarian Clans" isn't a new addition to the series, the concept already existed in Civ 4!
I think as "Civilization Simulator", Civ 4 is doing a better job: Every city improvement is actually visible on the map, the notion of cottage growing to village then cities with time, like our city's suburbs, is really well done. Diplomacy is better implemented in Civ 4, you actually know why a Civ is liking you or not, with a list of pros and cons events happened in the past. And the AI is quite challenging, it knows how to play the game. In my opinion, Civ 4 > 6 > 5.
Great and nice video 👍In Civ 5, graphics is more realistic but in Civ 6 it's so cartoonish and look like mobile games. I think another important difference between Civ 5 and 6 is about how much detail is shown on the map. In Civ 5, you can see all the necessary info (like units and land improvements) but in Civ 6, the map is so crowded and I can't distinguish items or find troops and it's so annoying. Maybe it's related to designing the map that has too many 3D details on it. Keep on making great videos 🙂
Thanks my man. I haven't made any in over a year now due to circumstances out of my control, but the return is coming soon.
@@strattom1759 Hope you overcome your difficulties and continue working on your channel 😉
I'm liking this video, but in the future I think your voice isn't loud enough. Good work :)
Art styles and graphics are two different things.
Excellent video!
I gave up on Civ after Civ 4. I play single player and the AI for combat was utterly laughable in Civ 5. I remember being excited at the idea of ranged troops, combined arms, etc. Only to be shocked by the AI moving catapults next to my cavalry, repeatedly.
I don’t know whether it’s been fixed but I was so horrified at how much of a mess they’d made I switched to other games.
I still occasionally load up Civ 4 but have never gone back to 5 or 6.
Find any good 4X games since? Got into Endless Space 2 of late
the civ5 ai depends on who ur fighting, sometimes they're absolute garbage, other times they can literally wipe out 2 riflemen with knights and elephants, like bruh srsly? i swear that siam'll pay
@@baitposter Old World is *chef's kiss*. I enjoy Civilization 6 as well, don't really see anything wrong with it.
Community Patch mod for Civ 5 makes the AI pretty good. The most challenging Civ AI to date. I've played 4, 5, and 6. I wish that mod existed for Civ 6 because its my favorite game overall.
@@feo130 That's a horrible recommendation. I hope people don't take your word for it, because that game is as boring and dry as a rock.
Although i play civ 5 the most out of all of them I think civ 4 was ultimately my favorite
I returnee civ 6 platinum after 40 mins of gameplay. I hated every change including the graphics. Now im going back in my steam librsry to reinstall 4 and the expansions i own but never installed. Fireaxis ruined civ 6 for me and if 7 is more of the dame i wont buy it.
I think the main season I never really got into 6 was just how busy I was during that time in my life. I think, for me, it is a matter of taking the time to get used to the changes. Because I initially didn't like every single new civ game when I first played them, until I took some time to learn the mechanics of the game. But I agree about the graphics... The cartoonish nature of the the civilization leaders really bothered me... @@AJays734
One thing I don't like about Civ V or VI is the inability to create one's own new Civ w/o going full mod mode, where one has to know how to code up a mod. A custom option to create one's own step-by-step custom civilization would have been ideal. So if one wants to create, say, a civilization w/ an unknown leader, one could then have whipped up one, saved it, and then played it
The other thing about Civ VI is that they don't lock some features when needed. For instance, if one is playing an European scenario, it would normally be fine to have only Christians civilizations play it: it doesn't make sense to show, say, France embracing Buddhism or Spain embracing Daoism, but that possibility is there for Civ VI AI players
Will there be a Civ VII?
Civ V us much better, graphic the feeling of playing civ vi is too cartoon like and ita missing the one more turn, art Style in civ v is amazing the painted pictures of the world wonders are great
Honestly just like a lot of people it boils down to me not being able to stomach the cartoonish whimiscal aesthetic, Civ 5 gives me the same cozy vibe as watching a historical documentary late at night, Civ 6 feels like I'm playing a kids board game...also Civ 5's music is legendary
Very good and thoughtful video. You deserve more subs man.
Thanks my man. I'd probably have more if I could commit more time to it
To be honest, I think Civ4 beyond the sword is better than both. Though the map is composed of squares, not hexes, the battle system is far better, with unlimited units on any square. I like to play quick games on standard size maps as a single player. Years of playing and I am still not bored due to the variations within the game. I try to beat my highest score of a little over 55,000 points. Favorite leaders... Ramses, William Van Orange, and Louis 14. Got bored with Civ 5 very quickly, so I never went to Civ 6.
Deciding which one to get as both are on sale right now. Thanks for the video 👌🏻
I played civ 5 hundreds of hours. I played civ 6 platinum and returned it after 40 mins. I hated every possible aspect of civ 6 in 40 mins of gameplay. Now im reinstalling civ 4 because i never played the expansions for it that i already own. Probably wont be buying civ 7 if its like civ 6.
@@AJays734 civ4 is all about mods. Each mod is like its own unique game. Civ 5 and 6 do not have anything like that
The combat aspect and it taking longer to take cities or resulting in stalemates I think reflects real life or a more realistic approach.
Some of your criticisms of Civ 6, such as the cards system and the finite capacity of builders, speaks IMO to you not understanding how Civ 6 changes the way you have to navigate the challenges of the game and merely are reacting to changing away from something that is familiar to you.
I agree. I stopped the video at the comparisons between each entry’s culture tree. There were optimal tree paths with little variety, and the culture tree filled itself. There was little interaction on the player’s part. This seems like a very common criticism of Civ 6… people don’t want to play the game, they want to click a glowing button.
My dude made a fair point about graphic style and desgin but almost entitely unvalidated his own point showing Cleopatra, she is so great im CIV6! Algo, I miss a discussion about the music they are great in both game and is the hardest one to chose which one is better, at least for me.
civ 6 is the windows 8 of civilization
One of my favorite games that I play in lieu of Civ is WinWar II v2. It's a shareware game from the 1990s that is a turn-based strategy game based on WW2 with grid movement/combat. The coolest part is the map configuration is just a text file so you can edit the names of places and create scenarios. You're still stuck with a static world map and fixed teams (USA, France, USSR, and England vs. Germany, Italy, and Japan), but otherwise you can do some really cool stuff.
I actually like the Pixar-esque look of Civ VI and the options when it comes to leaders and their personas; i just dont like being more or less forced to build wide
Civ 6 has amazing combat, city building and leaders. Civ 5 culture victory, policies and mods. I have 1k hours in both and i love both
Good review
When you brought up narrators I immediately thought of Sean Bean quoting the pigs line. I'm surprised you played that one
"I am fond of pigs. If there are no pigs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."
-David Cameron
There is an Rise of Kingdoms version of CIV 5 the themes are similar the difference is the game. It's called Civilization Reign of Power I know most of you know this game and it is a multiplayer strategy game. Unlike Sid Meier's original civ games, CIV: Reign of Power is not like a board game version of a strategy game it's more of a war and building game and what I mean about building game is that you can actually build something inside your city and you can see anything there.
For example: farm, Monument, Barracks
Also unlike CIV 5 and 6, you can send soldiers outside your city but they return after attacking and collecting.
An excellent analysis. Just this past year I made the choice to go back to Civ V after playing VI for a few months.
While I love the districts and wonders being in their own hexes I find the golden age mechanic in VI to be absolutely unbearable.
I hate that districts remove resources and wonders take squares, everything else except combat animations seems to be improved imo.
Civ 4.
Agreed, Civ 4 is the best entry, a timeless masterpiece. Hope they will take some inspirations from 4 when making the 7. This game is still so good today.
I did hate in 3 how if you couldn't get rubber in the late game you were basically doomed lol
I like the wonder placement in VI, and the way the environment impacts the look of the city...and that's about it. Everything else I like better in V, but especially the movement and the builders. Builders not being able to build roads is infuriating. I also don't like the policy card system in place of V's culture advancement. Policy cards may present more varied strategic opportunities to pursue objectives, but the system doesn't *feel* thematically gratifying, it's so abstracted. Sure it works, you get synergistic + signs, but unlocking a new policy card never felt as exciting as progressing the civilization's identity as explorers, or artisans, etc.
On culture; civ 5 keeps you in a box, you progress through a described culture block that only got its label from people in the present looking back. The future people will label what our present culture is/was.
In civ 6 your culture is what policies you gravitate towards through your play style. You aren't just an honor culture that evolves into an exploration culture, those are labels. You are the honor culture at different times in history when you need or want it to be so, and the policies have greater relevance so that it doesn't feel like you are going backwards.
New player here, debating which game I should get to get into the series, any suggestions for which might be the most noob friendly?
Civ V is WAY more noob friendly. The main reason being that Civ VI has a lot more interconnected systems that require more understanding for micromanagement (like the governor cards, the culture track, and district planning), as well as some very unintuitive design choices (like the expended worker's mentioned in the video, but also the movement system in VI creates some very frustrating and weird interactions). One of the the most noob-unfriendly aspects in VI is how aggressive and brutal early era barbarians are, and VI took away default city defending capabilities (it is something that needs to be researched). This is not to say Civ V is too easy, but I think it is far easier to get into a game and begin to explore its systems. Civ VI in comparison feels more cumbersome and punishing.
Civilization 5, its tutorial incorporated into the game is enough to be able to play it, unlike Civilization "youtube" 6.
Might as well start with Civ 6 to see where the series will go with Civ 7. Civ 5 is probably more noob-friendly but Civ 6 is a more complete game, since all systems interact with each other.
Well made video. I can tell where your personal opinion tipped the scale. I can't tell if combat in Civ V is so much better. I like the concept of how Civ VI uses tiles more distinctly. Regarding the graphics I found the cartoonish style also a bit too playful, but I can live with that. I like the art style of the main map and how it reveals new areas, also clearly showing what I can't see continuously much better. Like a double layered fog of war. It seems especially with the Add-Ons Civ VI became a more complex experience as a whole. I find that more challenging and interesting.
I have recently got the anthology addition of Civ VI and it is very good. Civ VI has really grown on me since doing this video
@@strattom1759 I also got the Anthology upgrade in a sale at 2K shop. Great value.
Yeah I think it’s high time we moved past pining Civ5; Civ6 is a far more complex offering from every point of view, and this is a strategy game after all. It’s always jarring when you’ve mastered an edition of the game and there’s change, but Civ6 is easily a far more dynamic game IMO. There’s now a mod to make the art style more realist again
Yeah I didn't really get the military win over Civ VI either. Getting into an actual standstill is a good thing and taking cities that are fortified should be very difficult you should really only be waging war when you know you have a severe advantage 1v1. Main problem is that the AI can't do that well with the military options available but the military game as a whole is better than Civ V.
Came here for the nostalgia. Ended yo appreciating Civ 6 more.
6 deserves extra points for having governors, power, and many more features
The problem with combat in Civ VI is that the AI is so incredibly bad at it. They just don't use their units properly and don't build enough of them to begin with (prince difficulty) either they are unprepared as you declare on them, or they are unprepared as they declare on you. I wouldn't really call it almost the same... in Civ V if you make a stronger person angry they gonna come at you. Not as effective as the doom stackers of IV, but good enough. Also in VI you have to bypass the launcher to actually be able to play without crashing every 15 minutes.
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Not my friends and I doing nothing but playing Civ 5 multi-player and fortnite the last month 👀
I dropped off of Civ for a long time, finally picked it back up with V, and while I still enjoy it and am considering picking up VI since its on sale on Steam for $3 currently, i just dunno. Comparison of the two aside, the gameplay loop still feels limited to the extent that, unless you absolutely beeline for one of the victory conditions from the very beginning, you probably arent going to get it, which makes developing an empire feel less... organic.
You didn't talk about amenities, and loyalties as well as eras, should have been there
I did ask you to excuse the fact that I didn't have the DLC for Civ 6 at the time of making the video. Those features are DLC additions
@@strattom1759 yeah, but amenities are not part of dlcs, the other ones were just me being dumb and forgetting about it xD
@@nehemiasgroppi4397 Fair enough. Well yeah, I didn't find a spot to talk about them. What do you think about them? Good feature or is Civ V better for not having them?
i think both narrators did a great job, also that narration while nice isn't very impactful and should be a point. unless one narrator is god and the other is a crack pipe i don't think this should have been a point at all. score would be 5 to 3
and i like the builder system in 6. rather than just running around building anything and everything you want for the rest of the game, you are forced to make decisions on what you want to develop. you can make more. plenty more. but then you have to choose to do that over something else. i like having impactful choices and i think its a great direction for any game. make you responsible for your decisions.
I played 40 mins of civ 6 and when my builder disappeared after building 3 tiles and all the insane micomanaging pop ups i peaced out and requested a refund on steam. And i bought platinum edition for 17$. Civ 6 even looked terrible visually. It was like a blurry cartoon style cell phone game. I hayed every aspect of civ 6.
I'd give my opinion, but considering I just learned that Liam Neeson isn't the narrator for Civ 5, it's probably not worth much.
Well you just made laugh, so it's worth something
Cities should be incredibly hard to take, they are cities....
I agree, what drove me away from Civ VI was the cartoonish graphic design... I liked how the old Civs were looking for realism, the trailer for the Civ 5 still gives me chills to this day... the narration, the graphics,... it is like an epic movie... I miss that... gladly we still have the Total War series...
What about IV?
I think the builders are much better in 6. Having them as a resource provides much more strategy (aka using right cards at the right time). In civ 5, after a while i just sent them to auto-improve and it was non interactive
Ive really tried to like 6 but idk it just kind of sucks,
I don't hate Civ VI, but it does not mesh well with my playstyle. Civ V was a lot of fun once you got used to it. Out of the entire series, I think Civ I and Civ II were the best (based on 'fun'). Meier's Pirates and Railroad Tycoon also rocked - he was a gaming god at one point.
I loved Transport Tycoon as a kid. It's on my extensive list of games to do a video about when I can finally get back to making videos
Civ 2 was like crack for my ADHD 8 year old self.
nice video, only 22 like?! omg!!!!
I really liked civ 5 but i wish there was holy wars like in civ 6. I find it fun spreading religion but not being able to do against foreign religion aside from exerting pressure seems lackluster.
Im still playing civ II
Civ 4! Before the series turned from a strategy game to a virtual board game
Have you ever played Dawn of Man?
I haven't. Is it worth a go?
@@strattom1759 yeah judging by what you said in this video, I think that you'd really like it. I can gift it to you on steam if you'd like.
I like both but I like 6 better because taking cities is way too difficult in 5, and the happiness penalties for too many cities is stupid.
I like the buildings in 5 better though, districts and district adjacency in 6 is annoying.
Also Civ 6 graphics are way better, Civ V feels years older than it actually is
Me here feeling like the cartoony and more vibrant design of Civ 6 is actually more appealing, and I'm by no means someone who ever plays mobile games, but I just like the art style more.
I've played V and I'm still playing VI. Definitely enjoy playing VI more. In terms of base game, I like lots of things about VI such as the district system, military combat and the religion mechanic. The expansion packs for VI are a different matter though. I hate the loyalty mechanic introduced in VI: Rise and Fall. It's too strict at higher difficulty levels, which essentially makes the game unplayable. While I don't mind the climate change mechanic introduced in VI: Gathering Storm, I feel like cities became much harder to conquer in that expansion.
what kind of spyware is in civ6? Are they kidding?
Civ 6 causes my computer to crash. Civ 5 doesnt. No more reason for me
Civ 6 reminds me of Civilization Revolution.
Civilization 5 feels more realistic to me and i sounded like Bill Clinton rather than myself
I prefer the cartoony look of Civ 6, I am incredibly new to the Civilization series, and ran into this debate when deciding to buy Civ 6. I think Civ 6’s artstyle is much more appealing and friendly to newer players while Civ 5’s artstyle is much more intimidating for players who are new, but want to try turn based strategy as a whole. Though I do see the argument of appealing to Fortnite’s audience or looking too much like a mobile game and I say “Fair enough”
I think you're absolutely righ, I do look at this from the perspective of a grizzled old strategy gamer. There's no arguing with the fact that Civ VI has drawn in a new audience to the game and the strategy genre as a whole. I've found myself warming even further to Civ VI since I made this video. It is an excellent game.
your opinion is wrong.
The reason it looks cartoonish and mobile game-like is because it’s literally a mobile game. And to me the art style is a blatant downgrade. It looks so corporate and soulless. Like it’s designed in a boardroom to appeal to hyperactive kids. It’s borderline creepy. No offense.
I’m not sure how you deduced that Civ 5 is a more intimidating game based on graphics alone. It actually has fewer mechanics than civ 6, I’d argue that it’s easier due in part to the lack of districting. You can’t make assumptions about gameplay based on graphics like that.
I got Civ 6 for free on Epic games store
Apart prom the more fun and playful style I like the animations in VI. Also let thus cartoonish art style fool you. From what I can tell Civ VI has a more layered and complex Gameplay.
Civ 5 is nostalgic. Civ 6 is more strategic
Civ 4 is the OG for me
I have played all Civs since Civ II, I still like III and IV. But I play V. I didn't buy VI because of the graphics.
I like and dislike the games for kind of the exact opposite reasons 😅.
I love the art style of VI but I like the gameplay of V more. It feels simpler, more manageable and more traditional than for example the district system which both adds and removes complexity.
Also I think while I love the art style of the characters and the map, the UI of Civ V feels so much cleaner.
It really is a weird comparison between the two. I also can't see the full story though since VI is like... way more expensive? I have all the DLC for V and that's maybe why it feels more complete but holy hell, VI is expensive with all the nations and expansions that are almost the full price of a new game!
So yeah, it's hard for me to compare them equally.
Having said that I gave up on Civ after Civ 4 I am hoping that Old World is the spiritual successor. The AI seems much better at combat and there’s a lot of depth. I’ve only had it a few days so I’m not sure yet. My first impression of Humankind was positive but I became disillusioned quickly. Fingers crossed.
I've actually just written a review of Old World. I've had to move house recently and I'm still getting things sorted (hence the lack of videos recently). But that will be my first video once I'm back.
@@strattom1759 make sure you mention the excellent manual. They don’t mention it in the tutorials and I entirely missed it to start with.
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People who might mention big empires and civilisations. And forget to mention Iraq, Sumerian, Babylon and many more from this land between the two rivers. Have never read history or don't even know about where the real civilisation emerged from.
Missing point is music. which civ 5 is far far more superior to civ6
CIV 5 FOR SURE
mw when dilpomacy
my biggest issue with 6 is how the climate change model is a one way street...you can mitigate the emissions for the whole planet fifty times over with no reverse impacts
You said only good things about Civ6 Warfare and lots of critic about Civ5 Warfare but you still gave the point to Civ5? 😂
This whole comparison seems strongly biased. You dont get into the details of different mechanics, it seems like you just dont like many of the Civ6 Mechanics because they are just different from Civ5
I think Civ IV is still the best, but prefer V over VI. I find VI is just so slow paced, has too many civics, and it is too easy to culture flip cities.
For solo game IA of the 5 are more interesting. ( i play in immortal) and in civ 5 the IA fight you with all their power for win the game. In civ 6 IA are very hard at he beginning but if you survive you win easy the game. The party become boring. But in civ 5 you must keep your guard still the end. Most fun (for difficulty immortal its level 7). And war in civ 5 is more apocalyptique. War between the IA too. When Shaka zulu unify the other big continent it's bad for you. In the 6 no destructive war between IA after midle age. Borring.
imo the UI and look of civ 5 is far better than civ 6 civ 6 looks like what shouldve been before civ 5
Alpha Centauri, Civ IV, Civ II, Civ, other games in the series, in that order.
My brother and I play CIV 5 every Sunday. We love CIV 5 and it is better than CIV 6. We dislike CIV 6 about districts of additional city squares and maps. CIV 5 is the best 4X civ builder game in the game market.
I feel like the art style could have been a developer’s bias versus Fortnite kids new strategy game