Nvidia's Gotta Be Joking
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Ya know there are plenty of studies out there that show soy reduces testosterone in men?
How your ok you sound stressed and down in your video, keep your head up positive days ahead😊.
No shade on Soylent, but a name like that for an instant meal drink thing is extremely... unfortunate. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green)
NVidia: For clarity, 40 series cards will be 400 dollars, 50 series $500, 60 series $600 and of course the crown jewel 70 series will be $7,000. We are thinking about the customer.
40 series card now bearing the name of 5060! -5% faster than 4060!
@@ed1659actually 5% faster gpu but with 6 gb of vram on a 32 bit bus 👍🏻
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@@ed1659 Nvidia be like: -5% speed and +40% price
I'm actually laughing out loud that's awesome (the joke, not the reality :o )
The only thing I see Ai being useful for is having npc’s in video games having unique conversations and unique experiences.
Other than that all I see Ai doing is killing people’s jobs in call centers and data entry.
The real question is what rock are you hiding under considering AI will work in every industry and has a humanoid body and drives cars now.
Automation 40 years ago was promised to give us more free time, but in reality only lead to more productivity and higher profits.
The problem isn't automation or AI, it's having a society centered on profit for the wealthy few instead of quality of life for every one.
Judging by Google's AI release, I don't see it adding to gaming, but instead the NPC constantly referring to modern social issues in my game conversations even though the game is set on another planet.
All voice actors will be drastically reduced.
@@jamesadamgleason9471 in height? they are dwarves now?
I can't wait for $600 60 class cards.
And they'll be 128-bit with 6 GB of VRAM.
@@originalscreenname44Please.... 64 bit is plenty
we already had 60 class gpus at 600$ they just changed the name to be the 4070 instead to make it seem like it wasnt.
600 dollar 60 tier cards with 108 tier chips
we already do have them, but they are mislabelled as 70 tier cards and 50 tier cards are $300 now
"What are ya gonna do, switch to Linux?"
Yes, actually.
I love the casual talk and the chair lean to chat with the others off camera. Gives the videos a vibe i really personally like, as if youre talking with us and not at us.
In 2025, there's no reason why a 1080p @120 should cost $1k. If that happens ima flip the table lol
1080p 120hz should be an entry level GPU. This should be the RTX 50 or 60 class and they should cost no more than £250 for the 60 class.
@sirdetmist3204 exactly, but by NVIDIA's standards AND current difficulties to play the past couple years of demanding games, I'm feeling pessimistic.
@@ArouzedLamp This is why companies shouldnt just be allowed to set whatever price they want. They price they can charge should be dictated by how much something costs to make.
@@sirdetmist3204Kinda like the rx 7600 xt 16gb of vram but it will fall off hard 🤣🤣, It's why I plan on buying battle mage both amd and nvidia are living in a world of delusion
@@jasonvors169 Here is the issue though, the other companies will make a worse product and then barely undercut Nvidia. AMD should just take a loss for a generation or make hardly any profit on their GPUs. You need to undercut Nvidia by a good $250 dollars. Then you get your foot in the door.
problem with plant based protein is it doesnt state the amino acid profile. usually plant sourced protein unless varied doesnt provide enough of the different amino acids.
Correct, plants dont talk
Soy is a complete protein
13:25 - Brett, you're not the only one who would see the "ChatGPT ladened dating simulations" as a bad thing. Isaac Asimov's book series that focused on characters Elijah Baley and R. Daneel Olivaw delt with this very topic. One of the early worlds settled in that series had a societal shift where everyone shunned interpersonal interaction for that of self-contained rooms. It became so bad that no one was forming real relationships with each other and thus not having any more children. Even with tech, like artificial insemination, they couldn't be bothered to have more children and eventually died out.
Maybe Asimov saw our future when he wrote that.
When have you ever made a phone call and been happy to talk to a robot?
Never
As someone who worked in IT Service Desk for 19 years before moving to another position in the same company, If there's a major outage, that's when I want a robot or recording telling me what's going on and an ETA, so I don't spend 30 to 60 minutes on hold. (I've delt with both sides of that call. It's no bueno.)
But, yeah, outside of that use case, I don't like talking to robots.
I liked it when secretaries tried to juggle 50 people waiting for someone so all you got was music and then a click when they accidentally dropped you, wouldnt it be great to do this with companies with thousands of people waiting? lolololol
meanwhile AI is already smarter than most humans so, pretty sure we want that in there if you have a problem now, problem is you havent been using actual AI until very recently and so you dont realize what you are really talking about
@@theendofthelineI rather wait for an actual flesh sentient human being to talk through problems in details
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Whats the charge back fee for selling Kylers body to science? Would you go into debt selling it? Is the mustache enough to make you break even on the sale.
Man, the AMD naming scheme has gotten so complicated after the AM5. If F means no iGPU then why's there a SKU without any suffix which also doesn't have an iGPU (e.g. R5 5600) I think this was changed to showcase the iGPUs of the these processors. What do you think, Brett?
"What are you gonna do? You're gonna switch to Linux?" Funny thing, I actually just switched completely to Kubuntu Linux one of my Windows 10 desktop computers, and I am watching on it your video as I configure it 🤗 It was because, when I booted up into it three hours ago, Windows greeted me with the message, "Your hardware doesn't support Windows 11, you are not special, and you have a year and a half to makes us happy by throwing in the trash this perfectly good PC." Honestly, it's not a big deal. If you don't play games on some particular machine, KDE is an instant replacement for Windows, and it works way faster.
Linux is awesome and you can game on it no problem (except for a handful of online shooters with kernel level anti-cheat software). After all, the Steam Deck is an incredibly popular gaming machine and it runs on Linux.
Ya a few weeks ago I went with Ubuntu 24.04 LTS with Gnome Desktop I think runs a bit better than Kubuntu. It is too bad Kubuntu doesn't have Plasma 6 yet. a1rm4x channel he did a test with kubuntu and ubuntu; kubuntu had trouble in overwatch fps dipping low. I am happy anyways to get off of Windows to see how things work.
I just went back to archlinux with xfce yesterday. I installed steam and all my old favorite programs this morning and proceeded to play cyberpunk at 3840x1600 with ray tracing on at 70fps… you absolutely can game on Linux, and do it simply. I’m even using the proprietary nvidia drivers and have had exactly 0 issues other than my old Linux backup was 8 years old and everything had changed so most of my old configs needed to be adjusted.
One of us! One of us!
I switched 100% almost 7 years ago now. I'm a gamer and electrical engineer and do 100% of my stuff on linux.
(Straight debian stable is my choice, btw)
That thunderbolt thing would be useful to reuse old IMACs as monitors no? Just dual boot windows, plug in your thunderbolt and enjoy your 5K screen, assuming you switched to windows at least.
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NVidia prices with no AMD - "Don't buy it" - Yeah, and we'll build a video portal from NY to Dublin IR and no one will abuse it. They did and they will. Gotta have! Same issue with games with ridiculous prices or microtransactions. Gotta collect them all!
It's completely self inflicted. I have no sympathy for all the Nvidia buyers that made 2000$ GPUs happen. I only regret that I won't have any top-tier choices for the next generation because AMD and Intel have both said they won't even try.
@@themomaw I mean, you can't blame all Nvidia users, I hate the fact that I have a 10GB VRAM, but as an exclusively AAA single player gamer, I value Ray tracing more than most people, and after my 6800XT died, and I was able to score a 3080 for $300, it was a fantastic option in terms of a replacement that gave me above 60 fps at 1440p with full RT in every game, which was NOT the case with the 6800XT. Though I will say, the 6800XT wasn't awful in terms of RT performance at 1080p. It was actually superb, and I only needed FSR if I wanted RT maxed out in cyberpunk, which I did, lol. So, while I understand the sentiment, Some of us need/want the best of the best, and at the end of the day, AMD has yet to outperform, or even match Nvidia at the high end. High-end NVIDIA cards like the 4080/4090 have more than enough VRAM, the full NVIDIA feature set (even though FSR is so close to DLSS) including frame gen without modding anything to get an inferior version of the technology and while they may be higher in price, they are quite simply the better product. Furthermore, the people to blame are out there, and they are the absolute morons who will NEVER go with AMD for no real reason whatsoever. The people who when you ask them why they won't consider AMD default to "Uhh AMD has been known to have driver issues" and don't have the amount of brain cells required to google "AMD VS NVIDIA price to performance" as people who just claim "AMD sucks" are the absolute scourge of the PC gaming community. Like, are you guys still living in the RX 470 days?
@@themomaw you regret not being able to make the mistake you mentioned?
@@theendoftheline The mistake being to pay 2000$ for a GPU? Not sure what you're talking about
@@themomaw you stated you wished you could buy a gpu at that tier level, instead of the tier levels that amd has available, the tier levels that were opened being in the 1500$ and above range, so yes, the mistake about paying 2000$ for a gpu, pretty equivalent to saying buying a gpu at that tier level
😆 did bro just say “maybe it’s Maybelline”
I hope the Thunderbolt communication allows general network connectivity.
I’m looking forward to the RTX 5060 with 4GB of VRAM at $750 for those affordable ‘entry level’ builds.
More likely they'll sell the 5060 for the same price as the 4060, but it will only be 10% better in some games.
and they will lie that it is 900 times faster than previous gen@@themomaw
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@@themomawAnd then 4060 will be more than 10% cheaper therefore, making the 5060 look like a bwoiwbj
The fact its taken this long for thunderbolt to have peer to peer connection is ridiculous. I remember the first time i saw a male to male usb i immediately tried it between two computers. Glad we finally can see it happen.
Thought on iGPU’s. I really love them. I think they are going to be one of the biggest performance improvement categories in the next 5 years. With higher clock memory CAMM2 RAM (a form of that might come to desktops) I think we are going to see a renaissance of inexpensive computers for entry level gamers! Especially if we start aggressively switching to arm or risc-v. I’m going out on a limb here but I feel like we might not really have a need for dGPUs for the average gamer here in a few years.
I detect plenty of sarcasm in this episode. Maybe I missed it before but it's nice. Good morning good sirs
I used AI to remove the birds from a screenshot of The Birds with people running away from the birds and superimposed Godzilla into the background.
You said “Nobody wants to buy a MacBook” And it reminds me of our modern era ARMs race. I’m excited for these new Snapdragon ARM developments and laptops because of the performance to efficiency ratio that they get. Let’s hope their innovation can trickle down to creating a platform similar to building an x86 based pc, instead of everything being soldered on to the board.
I'm not excited at all. The thing that let Apple painlessly switch to ARM architecture was the Rosetta translation layer, and by all accounts Windows' equivalent of that is much slower.
Bret if you're reading this, thanks for keeping me up to date.
And about the Ryzen CPUs. Will there be a reduction in prices on the other AMD CPUs? I'm looking to build myself a new PC this summer with a ryzen 7600 to get on the AM5 platform without breaking the bank and getting good value.
My old system will turn 10 this Christmas and has earned it's retirement as a secondary storage unit after a decade of use. It served well.
H100 was around 40k per so I the fact that the B100 is actually a little cheaper is interesting if those prices are correct. 60-70k for 2 B100's + CPU is actually a decent deal in that context.
I love that you keep that Mac Pro on display behind you!
They made two different movies about simps falling for an AI female voice. First one was called "Her" staring Joaquin Phoenix. The other movie is called "Jexi" staring Adam Devine (from Workaholics). I enjoyed both of them but "Jexi" was a bit more dark comedy based so I enjoyed that a bit more.
the best part of low end cpu's being so powerful and cheap is that there is no reason to get a mid or high tier unless you are doing anything other than gaming, if you are just gaming then the low end cpus are so effiecent in terms of $/performance
The largest issue I see with AI is that we're already living out the process that leads to Idiocracy and now people can do even less and put less effort into learning things because why bother when AI can give you all the answers!? This will speed up the dumbing down of society hands down.
The moment the spider went down I died laughing at Brett, I know who I would not hire to take on fight Spider-man if I needed someone to fight Spider-Man for me.
I love the universal F marketing for no integrated graphics very pro consumer I wish this was done more often
Incorrect the H100 costs 60k on ebay and prices keep staying around the same amount. still to this day. For the 80gig the B200 and b100 are around 120gigs of memory not 80.
Google ai is such a useful feature it basically allows me to immediately get a direct answer without having to read a Reddit post
Bret google glass is still being used but in factories for commercial use only
8:12 "Space in your case?" Open Air desk setup MASTER RACE!!!
ah yes, NVidia - passing the cost of hubris onto the consumer.
Microcenter does not have self checkout so you have to go there more often to talk to people.
What bugs me is that I can't really seem to see where any kind of machine learning/AI is being used in those google examples. I know there's SOME there, but I can't help but feel like we've had these features for years like with the features in google lens or search results giving you locations/recommendations based on reviews.
There are a lot of them. But maybe it's because google has been using machine learning for its stuff for many years now? Language translations is one of the older examples.
Budget AM5 CPUs are pointless when the motherboards and RAM are so expensive.
I agree, especially with am4 still being the power house it is.
Google just needs to bring back Reader and call it a day.
Thank you for bringing the tech news everyday during the week. It is very entertaining but informative
Dating & marriage trends have already been VERY worrying for the past 10 yrs, and yes sadly I think it's only going to get much worse over the next 15 and then people are finally going to turn around be like *shrug* "what happened?"
0:01 Google is putting Adobe Illustrator everywhere 😅💀
Brett talking up a good looking burger, go to see where I can find said Rocomamas and they only exist in South Africa. :(
The "F" stands for "press F to pay respects to the iGPU that died on that chip" :D
Can't you use the thunderbolt port to make a second streaming pc without a GPU?
Stream the footage to the second pc and then stream that to your platform of choice
Mark my words, the new Snapdragon Dell XPS laptops will still cost the same as what they are now.
The PC Building community's lack of acceptance and adoption of Linux baffles me. Getting good at Linux is the same tinkerer spirit as getting good at building PCs but just applied to software. Whaddya gonna do switch to Linux? Yes! trust me you can do it. I made the switch years ago in my late teens. My technical proficiency skyrocketed. I wouldnt be able to get the jobs in tech, that I've gotten, without Linux proficiency. Its not that bad. Especially nowadays. Back in the Slackware days it was no joke.
It’s not about getting good at Linux. It’s that Linux is dog shit for gaming compatability. If games would just run after you install them instead of going through hoops (only for it to not work anyways), then so many gamers would gladly jump to Linux.
Maybe it's Maybelline! Gosh, Bret, haven't heard that one in a quarter of a century?
I dont mind if Google wants to push into AI, but I hate when they don't let you opt out of things. Google making it so you had to use tab groups on Android is why I swapped to Firefox. Them making it so that even if you go to the Labs and have everything AI turned to off still results in you getting generative AI responses to your searches by default is why I've swapped my default search engine off of Google. I dont care if these features exist, but I don't want to use them. And if the only way to not use them is to avoid using the rest of the service as well, then that's what I wind up doing.
Saw the adobe illustrator icon at the start, but it was for Ai. 😅😅😅
Whats the charge back fee for selling Kylers body to science? Would you go into debt selling it? Is the mustache enough to make you break even on the sale
As a mustache scientist, I am intrigued
If there's something windows is good at is backwards compatibility. I wonder how that will go.
I absolutely love the fact that you have to specify that Soylent isn't the one made out of people.
The talk of AI companions or AI girlfriends online made me think of the days when they would air the chatline 1-800 number commercials after 10pm when I was younger.
Honestly, it's been like this for awhile. People continue to try to say Apple Products are the most expensive, and they definitely aren't, anymore. They've stayed the same, mostly, while everyone else has increased their prices.
Heyyy. Leave CS6 Adobe Illustrator logo alone 😂
If you want a playstation gaming pc handled, GPD win 4 is already available. Looks like a psp and a sidekick.
They have an 8840u model out too so quite a good performer as well.
seeing that all I do is watch youtube and surf the internet linux is definitely something I am thinking about.
Super disappointed about strix-point not supporting win 10
We have come a long way to consider Intel GPUS as "our last hope" -.-
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*whispers* maybe she's born with it. 🎶Maybe it's surgery🎶
The more you buy the more you save lol
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I'm pretty happy with my Asus ROG RTX 3090 White Edition. Performs great, looks great, and its pretty quiet. I got it for a pretty good deal in the beginning of 2023. I paid $500 for it second hand from someone who was just looking to get rid of it asap. I wouldn't might getting a 7900 XTX since it is about 25% faster in non-RT stuff and most of the games I play don't really have RT enabled at all or its not even noticeable. But I'm not looking to spend $900+ for a 25% boost in performance yet. I may pick one up second hand in a year or two if I can get one for $600 or less. Though, the Hellhound Spectral version of the 7900 XTX from Powercolor looks mighty fine. White shroud, white pcb and white I/O cover. 👀💦
Point about AIwaifus: if the incels are satisfied they aren't harming women.
Fun fact that's not fun once you learn it, they're never satisfied.
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Facebook/Meta already has a pair of glasses with AI in it. Its called Meta Ray-Bans. Its a collab with Ray Ban who designed the frames. Its bone conduction headphones with a mic that you can say 'hey Meta' to to ask it stuff Alexa style. It also has a camera to record video and take pictures like the Snapchat Spectacles do. It also can be prescription glasses if you buy them from Ray Ban. I have a pair. Its pretty sweet.
I been playin modded Elden ring so long I forgot it’s capped at 60 by default 😂❤
Put my actions where my brain is man you got me rolling.
damn the 8700f is 20% faster at 60fps than the 14400F at 60fps. truly one of the graphs of all time
OMG! I hope the sticks are good on that PSP clone, thing looks awesome.
You can choose to look at it this way. If GB100 is $70k, GB102 at $3,500 would be only 5% of it.
the gb202 is the consumer model, and its price will probably be completely arbitrary in relation to GB100 as its a different chip in a different market, zero relationship between the prices.
@@theendoftheline Do you think GB202 will be nerfed on INT8 throughput besides float64?
@@JohnWilliams-gy5yc I assume many nerfings compared to the datacenter models, I have no guess for your question specifically though other than probably eveyrthing will see reductions of some kind.
So far in my experience Google's new AI search results feature has been horrendously wrong every single time. They definitely launched it half finished.
At 1:50 you basically summarised the fundamental issue with using AI to access "data". It's exactly the same with art or music. Use AI and eventually there will be no more original work for it to "reinterpret".
If only AI had the personality of Raphael from “That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime”
The cost of the 5090 is likely gonna make me question my entire existence
Only going back to 80 class cards if they priced at 899 or less with 20gb vram
My friend is still chilling on his 1080ti, I told him to hold out even longer for his upgrade if he can. Show Nvidia who's boss
I'm already burnt out on AI being oversold and under delivered.
Thunderbolt Share seems kinda neat.
70k sounds like a lot because it's being compared to retail items. This is normal in the business sector. Big money companies just taxing each other egregious amounts because the entire industry is just profit rich. Just wait till you see what you get in the oil industry vs what it should cost. 100x retail is normal.
Why not use thunderbolt for network?
so you are saying that if they discontinue windows 10 we will finally don't have the stupid update restart in middle of work/game? i am referring to ordinary people (90%) that don't know those "easy ways to stop it". that is grate news for sooo many people
And we can just choose to use debloated versions of Windows 10 afterwards
Holy cow those prices of black well
2024: "The analysts claim that one GB200 superchip (CPU+GPUs) could cost up to $70,000."
2034 Chip for sale on eBay for $30.
1:25 maybe that would be for the best. If it's no longer profitable to write listicles or articles about nothing, then maybe that kills off content farm sites and most of what's left will be people hosting their own content solely because they have a passion for it. Lean, basic HTML websites that get right to the point, like the early 2000s.
Probably just wishful thinking, but there's hope yet!
Not surprised Brett drinks soylent
Wouldn't the mini LED screen be great for a handheld, android or not? 1100 nits would be usable out and about..
Most people would rather have OLED for portable.
OLED already gets bright enough for being in direct sunlight. It also depends on the manufacturer.
My phone has OLED, it gets bright enough in direct sunlight. It drains battery fast doing so.
*Edit*
Mini LED uses more power than OLED.
Not great for portable devices.
Battery technology hasn't kept up with other technologies.
The ideal effect of $30k AI Nvidia chips would be if they subsidized the prices of the 50-series cards and sold them at lower prices. But we all know that's not gonna happen.
as elden ring is capped at 60fps amd frame gen actually works really well in this game giving me locked 120 with frame gen.
I believe that next gen consumer graphics cards (nVidia Geforce RTX 5xxx, AMD Radeon RX 9xxx) is likely last generation we see performance improvement in game graphics hardware. After that grahpics cards that give more performance is likely way too expensive and are targetted to professional use.
To get more performance, prices are going way to high for gaming, so in future we will see same performance but made cheaper. Like integrating whole GPU+CPU to motherboard using chiplets, with shared cooling and memory.
I don't think there is enough customers to buy higher end graphics hardware, so game developers are not pushing requirements higher. Making highend game is expensive. Maybe we see some random simulation that is made for professional graphics hardware or something.
I don't think we'll see the end of graphics advancement necessarily, but we will see the end of increases in raster performance. Nvidia's stated goal for a hypothetical "DLSS 10" (i.e. coming in the mid-2030s) is to have as much done by the Tensor and RT cores as possible. So rather than the current architecture which is around 90% CUDA, 7% Tensor, 3% RT, we could see that bumped up to around 60% Tensor, 30% CUDA, 10% RT, with the raster capped at around maybe full AD102 size, but with the rest being a much bigger part.
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Yes, but market for those GPUs is likely professional use. While I beliecve that raytracing is coming more popular in future, it is still not mandatory in hardware.
Gaming hardware is likely moving to APUs or everything is integrated to motherboard while giving similar performance as next gen GPUs. So buying Geforce 5xxx or RDNA 5 based card, it is not lack of performance that makes them obsolete in future.
@@gruntaxeman3740 Sure, ray tracing isn't mandatory yet, but when consumer GPUs become increasingly capable of RT, developers will move to it because of the increased graphical fidelity and decreased effort of development compared to traditional rasterization. It'll be the same kind of paradigm shift as the one that happened in 2005 when unified shaders were introduced.
If Amd's new midend matches 7900xt and bests it in RT most people would not need anything faster for a while.
But then you have the issue of AMD upscaling being shit and devs are making their games with upscaling in mind.
@@sirdetmist3204 I don't like upscaling period, DLSS or FSR. But every survey shows the fast majority of gamers to be at 1440p a 7900gre/xt level card does nit need upscaling at those resolutions.
And I don't see people looking at mid range cards looking at 4k gaming. Those few will just shell out for a 5090, regardless of price.
Like everything else now a days. Its turning into how can we give them less for more. In todays world best thing you can do is keep your money. Stop being ripped off by these billionare companies.
You son of a gun. Well played.
I have a Pixel 8 Pro, but I have yet to ACTIVELY use anything AI related. I get there are passive AI things going on in the background, but I have yet to use it by choice...
Bro those 8700F and 8400F will 100% be badly priced as for now you can snag for a good deal 7600(X) and have better CPU
No they are using the rx 480 to benchmark so that’s why they have 20% performance increase with the 8400f
The Ayn handheld, if it was not running Android, could run something like Bazzite for Linux without Steam OS.
Or nobara, it does have a built-in steam deck mode
@@ryansullivan9217 Yes, I've heard good things about Nobara as well. One of the big differences between them is that Nobara is based off of regular Fedora, and Bazzite is based off of Fedora atomic.