American Reacts to Amazing Timber Trucks in Europe
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The engineers that designed these trucks/trailer systems grew up watching transformers
They sure did😂
and practicing origami
@@eichzoernchen Every engineer must practice origami
😂😂😂
No, transformers are copying them!
The first truck a MAN with Owl-Head Cabine uses the Cab from the Claas Xerion VC Tractor! The Claas Xerion tractor series is a closer look worth! It's a agriculture swiss army knife
Yup, i have a lego technics Claas Xerion model, its so cool! Working crane and everything 😅
In Czech republic they still use horses to to drag the logs in nature reserves and national parks and places where trucks can't get (really high in the mountains or places where the weight of a truck could be a problem). Also one way of transporting logs in the past was to guide them down a river. A person would actually stand on a log with long pole to guide the others as they went with the stream until they reached a saw mill, if I remember correctly.
There was a video on how these logs dragged from the forest were cut into big logs for half-timbered houses here in Germany by hand ... but sadly it got deleted. A quite interesting process involving a decline and a really big hand-powered saw where one man was standing on top of the log and just pulled up the saw, while the other one was pulling it down.
Sadly this kind of knowledge gets lost more and more every day ... and fewer and fewer people "touch grass".
I've worked on sites with ponies dragging timber out before now (in the welsh mountains), can get them places you'd never dream of driving any kind of freight vehicle
Here in Thailand they would move those trees on a motorcycle together with the whole family lol
Oh yeah, the (agriculture) combine cabin. :D It's so they don't need to sit outside beside the hand control in heat, rain or snow which can take a hour (or 90 minutes if the guy "plays" with the logs) in one sitting. And have higher point of view. Don't need to put on boots until the very end where they need to go outside to secure the logs.
Still, around here there are classic older trucks for now (without the rotating cabine, camera system or other new ideas).
That cab from the first truck was a claas xerion cab.
The steering is what is called "Fly-by-wire". Its all electronic controlls from the cabin ( on the first truck).
In this case it is drive-by-wire
@@PlanetBerlin1991 😀 Possibly, but the prinsiple is the same 🙂
@@josteingravvik2381 No question! 🍻 I think it's also called steer-by-wire.
@@PlanetBerlin1991 I guess each manufacturer has their own name on it 😆
@@josteingravvik2381 For sure 😂
5:40 That's an Australian Kennedy folding trailer. In fact, the video is from Healesville, Victoria. Won't see that one in Europe. 7:25 The license plate is HSK, which is Hochsauerlandkreis, North Rhine-Westphalia.
Only seen 'em in Australia. Someone said it was because taxes depending on how many wheels on the road.
Seem odd if the taxation can be adjusted on the fly to how many wheels are currently used though. ? Most of the wear is going to be when it's fully loaded after all.
But at least the maximum vehicle length was increased by a few metres recently. Maybe one day we will even see those horizon covering sheep trains. ;)
You wonder how it was done in the old days - In Sweden, the loggers lived out in the forest and the timber was transported with workhorses where they wore a harness and tied around a couple of logs and walked out of the forest to a forest road where the timber was loaded by hand over on a horse-drawn carriage. In winter, sleds were used. My father, his brothers and grandfather worked on this. Before they started using farm tractors to pull these timer trailers, but these old tractors that were also used in agriculture did not go fast. Top speed was 15.5 mph The make of the tractor is Volvo and it is still there and two of my cousins have restored it to like new condition.
Lanz Bulldog noises.
There were quite a few steps of development from pure man and horse to machines doing all the heavy work under the control of human operators. When trucks and tractors just started to appear, the horse teams still might have collected the timber from the woods, and the loading was done with pretty hazardous hoist contraptions using cables and power from the truck/tractor. Many a man broke bones back then, but occupational safety authority is a relative modern invention. This was for larger operations. Of course individual families might have done it in many different ways.
mainly transported via waterways.
The first truck is all ‘fly by wire’ so everything is electrical, once the driver cab is engaged he can just drive like a normal truck. It’s very cool, very high tech
some of them have VR in the cab, so the driver just switches seat ,puts on the VR googles and starts loading the logs on the truck while operating the grapples from the cab, the cabin witch is in the back on regular logging trucks is swapped with a boom that has cameras on top witch are connected to the VR
I really love your enthusiasm for all things trucks and cars. Keep it up!
America is stuck in the stoneage with their trucks and so on :D
Folding trailers are to save road taxes, as those are based on running wheels on the road surface. By folding trailers, and or lifting wheels off the ground means less wheels on the road the cost per driven km is reduced. While not needing heavy load carrying.
not true, if i lift an axle of my rig i still have to pay for it, a 7 axle truck is and stay an 7axle truck for the road taxes why do they fold, simpel, easy to drive when empty, easy acces and turnings in the woods when empty, and..... it saves tyre's........
@@Joel.V. I think he's talking about running costs. More wheels on the road is more rolling resistance to have to drive.
Or maybe in his country tolls or weighbridges are calculated by axles per trip somehow.
Not sure how road tax would change trip to trip but never know these days.
@@Joel.V. what country are you in. Certainly applies in many places.
I always thought it was to save tyres
One more reason is that you can get faster around the tighter european roads with a shorter truck/without a trailer, thus saving time on the way to get the next load.
The FIRST truck, MAN, is steered by wire, just like most new wheel loaders from Volvo.
8:16 This is Sweden
Dala Frakt, Dala freight Dala is an abbreviation for the province of Dalarna
I live in Dalarna, i see a lot of these things around here:-)
When you're using the crane you idle a bit higher. You control the idle by the cruise control switches. Usually also remote control from the crane.
The truck engine is operating basically as a hydraulic pump at the point.
I guess it's drive by wire for most if not all new trucks these days. I'd be surprised if there's still something like a steering column present.
A steering column is still a legal requirement in most of not all EU countries. So is a mechanical break backup.
Well its mandatory in fast vehicle. Tracktors, loaders terain dumptruck don´t need them.
And since December of 2023 (at least in Sweden and some other countries). Electronic stearing control is alowed on trucks traveling slower than 40km/h if then have a automatic lockin when the go faster.
@10m30s You're entirely right. First time learning to drive a reachtruck, scary. First weeks you're very cautious. A year later you'll go around corners on two wheels and it's just a random Tuesday. I've experienced this in various different jobs. And as you say, they're not easy jobs, but once you get the skill and you're actually good at it it does become easy, for a skilled professional. A newbie might have someone lose their life. The risks can be pretty big. If you're not at least somewhat good at this in a few months, this isn't the job for you as you're going to put someone's life at risk.
Did you watch Bruce Wilson? He is located in Florida and owns three Scanias. He makes videos about restoring them and making them US street legal. He also visited Scania in Sweden and test drove several trucks. Very cool guy. Maybe you could react to him.
He's moved to Tennessee and he's focusing on the black Scania and will use the other two for spare parts.
they are allready us legal, he is just a kid that play's with toy's, at the end of the day, all 3 scania's will end up like scrap.
but yes he is now in Jamestown Tennesee.
What needs doing to a scania to make it road legal? I was under the impression US regulation was less strict on such things than most countries you're likely to see the fancier scania units in?
@@carpetsomething There are several reasons why a European truck wouldn't be allowed on the road in the USA:
Different regulations:
Size: European trucks are typically shorter and narrower than US trucks. This is due to stricter size regulations in the EU that limit things like trailer length, overall height, and weight per axle. In the US, there are no nationwide length limits for trucks, and states have their own, often more relaxed, rules.
Engines: European trucks have to meet stricter emission standards compared to US trucks. This means they usually have engines that wouldn't be legal for use in the US.
Brakes: European trucks often use drum brakes, whereas disc brakes are more common on US trucks. Disc brakes offer better stopping power and are less prone to overheating.
Lights: Lighting systems differ between European and US trucks. For example, European trucks need amber turn signals, while the US uses red.
Safety regulations:
Airbags: US trucks must have airbags for the driver and passenger. This isn't mandatory in Europe.
Underride guards: US trucks require underride guards to prevent cars from going under the truck in a crash. Europe doesn't have this requirement.
Approval process:
Certification: To be road-legal in the US, a truck needs certification by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). This process can be expensive and time-consuming.
Documentation: European manufacturers would need to submit extensive documentation to the NHTSA for approval, usually in English.
Economic factors:
Cost: Modifying a European truck to meet US standards could be very expensive.
Demand: There's limited demand for European trucks in the US. This partly stems from the technical and safety differences mentioned earlier, along with preferences of American trucking companies and drivers.
While it's possible to modify a European truck for US use, it's generally not practical or economical.
Thanks to Norway for inventing the technology for these machines!
My Scandinavian brothers and sisters are amazing people and intelligent engineers
If you like that then you should check out some of the forestry machines aswell.
They cut trees, debranch and haul the timber, all in the same machine. Really impressive stuff.
In Germany we say "Übung macht den Meister" which translates to "practice makes the master". All these crane operators have many years of practice and know exactly what they do. I highly respect people who mastered a task be it "simple" truck driving or more complex stuff like 3D modelling in cad software
"Fly by wire" , some Claas trtactors also have the same, to reverse with big snow blowers etc
Wow, that blew my mind, those trucks are top level machines, they are certainly different to the basic Aussie style. man I would love to have a go in the rotator.
3:18 i would guess steering is electric as it is in many new cars and trucks, so you can reverse the steering signal easy so it turns "normal" then cabin is turned backwards :)
I have an Krasser tractor built in 1966 and the tractor has A winch is installed in the frame of the tractor. The company that built the taktor is an Austrian cable winch company. The company is called krasser Seilwinden
The wood industry is massive here(Ireland)
Volvo and Scania are most popular, John Deere and ponsse for Harvesters and forwarders
That Man usually has a jenz wood chipper mounted on the rear which is why the cabin turns around.
First truck that comes up is from Germany. The license plate would locate it in Unterfranken, which is on paper a part of Bavaria. The area is indeed quite nice, it is called Spessart.
200 years ago they dragged the logs with horses in the winter. And then in the summer they pushed the logs into the rivers and let them float downstream to the sawmill.
Even way less than 100 years ago they used horses and floating the logs. Actually, logs are still floated when it makes sense, as its cheaper than trucking.
See how 'Holzrücken' is done the old way, demonstrated in southern Germany, and still preferred method sometimes, because it's less destructive:
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9:18 The idle speed can be varied up or down with the cruise control. The PTO is a hydraulic pump.
Pacific P-16 might just be the coolest logging truck of all time
They generally logged near rivers 200 yearss ago, then they floated it downstream.
The first truck (Green MAN) is also available als selfpropelled woodchipper from the manufactur "JENZ" called "COBRA", awsome mashine.
As some has said before, the first truck is all drive-by-wire (all electric, no mechanic), you can see the guards/guides for the cables at the back of the cab following it up and down. A smaller claw saves weight that can be used for payload instead.
Second truck with foldable trailer is as someone mentioned not european.
That levitating Scania is a separate-loader and it´s only job is to load other trucks. Thats why it has the bigger claw, no need to save weight. The other trucks do not need to carry their own cranes and can swap the weight for the crane to more load insteead. This setup is mostly used at large operations.
The main reason for those long supportlegs are that the loader can stop at the side of the road, extend supports more on one side, lift and shift to the other side and get a position over the ditch so the other trucks can fit on the road to get loaded.
The fourth truck (blue scania) is a Swedish tuck, and the length is very close to 24 meters total. Max length in most other european countrys are 18 meters standard, but there is an EU-setup that allows for 25,25 meters too. In Sweden, we are trying 36 meter vehicles om some special roads.
As you can see, it says DalaFrakt on the top of the roof. The truck belongs in the middle of Sweden, and in a small village here we have a company that invents and makes accessories for trucks. Their most popular inventions are sandsperaders that you mount in fornt of the drivewheels, and a roller att the bottom gets in contact with the wheel then the spreadder is engaged and feeds sand in front of the drive wheels. Thisone is called Slir-ej, translated No-slip.
The other inventions is what you see in this video and it´s the straps to tie the load. The straps are attached to the side of the stakes (poles?) (the things hanging out at the sides at 11:13) and are lifted over with the claw. It´s called Kast-ej, and is translated No-throw. This one saves the operators back and arms.
If you look at the third video at about 8:07, the driver has to manually toss the straps over the load.
A cool thing about the first truck is that if all goes well the driver can pick up logs and deliver them to the sawmill without ever leaving the seat. The Cabin is actually manufactured by Class, and is also used in many of their vehicles including combines and their Xerion tractor (which can also rotate its cabin to provide a better view to the rear attachments). It doesn't have a traditional steering column, but uses a motor to provide feedback to the driver, similar to the force feedback system on a sim rig.
Hear, hear, dude, all truckers are essential to keeping the system supplied but these loggers are on another level, the designs and enginuety needed for that type of terrain is also on another level, once again dude, out of the park again, greetings to all your lovely family, blessings to you,sir, keep up the great videos, chau for now
3:45 There probobly is a geared telescopic shaft in the rear of the truck. Its possible its a hydraulic connection. Law in Europe mandate that all vehicle going faster than 40km/h must have a physical/mechanical backup for steering and breaking. Also parking break
Apart from that with throttle, and gear shifter and most other, they are just electrically connected. So ignoring the steering, breaking and parking break, its basically just a normal cab.
*brake, not break. 😉
all this folding stuff trailer and even every truck here in europe can lift his tyres from ground, all only for one reason saving tyres, saving brakes as they are expensive to replace. so here truckers ussualy work for company and drive company trucks which are changed frequantly. few years and thewy change as fuel cost , similar to planes. nopbody drives here old trucks like in usa. they would simply wont have job as other would give lower prices. trucks they dont stand here they non stop drive 24/7.
I work at a saw mill in Oregon, operating a log loading machine like the ones in the video and feeding the mill uncut logs. Yes, it is a challenging but fun job. I do see log trucks like the ones in the video delivering logs throughout my work days. They do exist in the states, they just are somewhat uncommon.
Most of the trucks in the video are hauling shorties, although the second one has long logs too. I wonder if short logs are more of the norm in Europe? Interesting video, and thanks for posting.
Hydraulic steering has come a long way, fairly common to see rotating seats/cabs with valves that switch the oil flow depending on the direction in industrial settings.
I really like your channel because I discover unknown things even though I am an old European.
THANKS
This MAN truck must have Drive by wire technology.
12:03 'Robban' is the Swedish version of Bob basically. If someone is named Robert, they are often called 'Robban'. He just likes Audi cars I guess. However, we almost always concatenate words into compound words in Sweden, because sometimes, if you separate words that should not be separate, you can get some horrible dangling modifiers. Like the compound word 'Giftorm' (venomous snake), if separated into its basic parts 'gift' and 'orm', i.e. "gift orm" would translate to "married snake" since 'gift' means both 'married' and 'venom' in Swedish. Another fun one is the phrase "Sätt på en skygglapp" (put on a blinker i.e. for horses). If you separate the last noun there, so it reads "Sätt på en skygg lapp", it becomes "f*ck a shy Laplander"
More like a nickname, if you are named Robert.
The scania that lifts up 7 minutes in is a called (separatlastare) in sweden were they are common in forestry.
3:36
It is a Drive by wire sistem, all the driving systems are electronic controlled(acceleration, steering, etc.) and the cab "only" rotates 300º to prevent you from over-rotate and disconnect the cables or evan worst the cab itself.
Two ✌🏻 things you need to watch is europien tractors specially if you want to see the owl 🦉 cabin again (Claas xerion 5000 is the tractor i believe ) and you need to check out scania t series trucks .
I'm hoping to see Lithuanian 🇱🇹 emergency vehicle video some day ...
I recommend EmergencyScandinavian channel . 🤙🏻
nice video i like those timber trucks its has electronic steering thats why he can do that
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So first looks like a shunter and when its full will no doubt leave the trailer for the standard road truck to pick up
If I remember correctly the MAN with the raising/rotating cabin is a prototype. But a nifty design indeed.
07:37 Scania R series 540 hp 6x6
I think it's on a pto system so it uses the engine revs to provide power but the revs are controls by the operator.
Some tractors have rotating cabs too
You should also check out the actual forest harvesters. You have probably caught up by now in the states but we have had them in Scandinavia for quite some time. Cut, branch and stack or haul in one go.
Drive by wire.
DOLL makes fire trucks too.
US logging is done on much bigger scale. And those truck drive outside of public roads a lot.In Europe there is not that much space, so you drive in normal traffic.
In the northern parts of europe there is logging at a huge scale. And there is a lot of space too. Europe just likes high tech, high cost but high efficiency and the us like more low tech, low cost and low efficiency. There is something to say for both.
@@autobootpilootyou miss the point. In most EU country you have A LOT of taxes on the workforce. So companies try to have one worker doing it all. So this conduce to had a lot of mechanised/automated system.
@@autobootpiloot Germany has lots of logging, BUT we also have lots of "small hills with winding forest roads" where the wood needs to be collected. In the USA / the relatively FLAT northern Sweden it is easy to make pretty straight roads / long curves.
we have so much logging in the nordic countries that you will see logging trucks driving through our capitals
9:56 i can promise, those cabs can take a log or 2 and still work. Sure the paint will be bad and the mirror might be gone, but, the cabs can resist a rollover so they can resist a log easily
You should check something like Ponsse that cuts the trees so that those guys can pick it up later.
11:44 get a even load dose too.
@IWrocker : FYI...
The SCANIA in the video @ 7:00 comes from:
License plate NK
Stands for Neunkirchen (Nine Churches)
Used in Neunkirchen district
Federal state of Saarland
It borders France and Luxembourg to the southwest
and if you LOOK closely you can see that the owner has a "personal license plate" with the initials of his name, shown at @7:05
INFO: When the "EU license plates" were designed, the "hyphen" was left out to save costs because it was not actually used. Old license plates look like this (ABC - DE 1234)
the “EU” license plate like this (ABC DE 1234)
By the way, do you know the funny mistake the advertising agency made with the Aachen police?! They had a photo of a patrol car with the license plate "AC AB 101" on the front page and were then fooled with pictures of fake emergency vehicles all over the NET
In the past you'd cut down the trees with axes or later on when blacksmithing improved saws, then you'd use horses to pull 4-5 logs down to a creek or river.
From there it's floated down ideally to a water powered sawmill, but at least a collection point for processing, before being exported out.
The water powered sawmills and all of our rivers and creeks allowed Norway to be a much bigger timber exporter then the size of our forests would actually suggest.
And our woods rebuilt London after city fires and for a number of other uses.
(Probably including the Royal Navy too, although I don't know about that specifically).
you can play such trucks in LS-23 (Farming Simulator) nice game
"It'd be fun to try" [crane operating] well there are some places where you can "drive heavy equipment for fun for an hour" ... maybe you have such a place nearby where you can also operate a crane (or digger ... which is more or less the same).
the MAN has a CLAAS XERION tractor cab on it, all the contols are fly by wire (all digital so no brake hoses or steering column to work out) they even (as a tractor) auto swap the controls based on which way you are facing
The folding trailer and the following scene of the truck at 6:00 is most likely from Australia. First he drives on the left side of the road. Second do the massive logs not look like the usual pulp wood sticks harvested in Northern Europe, the bark on the big logs is smooth, light brown and does fray off, that's typical for Eucalyptus trees.
These in the video are some newer stuff, but you still see a lot of somewhat older timber trucks, especially the trailers can be 25 years old, these have a crane with just an open seat and are not as pleasant to operate in the cold and wet. Never seen a truck with a combine cab fitted though. This must be very recent.
That MAN is a special truck with electronic steering
It seems like a special version for "small operations" (the load seemed rather small) that do not need/want many operators OR collect wood from rather small piles in the forest, where the roads are narrow and winding a lot.
In the UK many people speak "unkindly" (for your own interpretation of "unkindly" 😉😁) about lorries and their drivers totally ignoring the fact that everything they own and use travelled on the back of a lorry at some point.
When I was in Norway, I saw wagon and drag tipper rigs with a very long towbar. It was only when I saw a video that I realised they are set up that way to allow both parts of the rig to tip without uncoupling the trailer; the driver reverses so that the trailer is at 90 degrees to the wagon allowing a clear space to tip.
I think all sorts of problems arise when the infrastructure isn't very well suited for the traffic on it. I would think that (and possibly foreign drivers) is the main reason for the grumbling, but do tell me if I'm wrong.
@@blechtic I think you've misunderstood my comment. It's other road users and people who choose to live alongside main roads who do the moaning. The situation isn't helped by those operators who send unsuitable vehicles to locations with restricted access.
@@RogersRamblings Are they moaning about the brexit queues? Traffic on tight "main" roads? Or is it general griping? Because I can very well understand that they are not fun to live your life around if the road infrastructure wasn't built to properly accommodate them so that they could sort of simply do what they need to and mostly stay out of everyone else's hair.
@@blechtic There are people who moan about anything that they think inconveniences them. They will complain about lorries on motorways and other major roads ignorant, and uncaring, of the fact that such roads were built primarily to facilitate the movement of freight.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Brexit queues". If you mean at ferry ports, there have been such queues for decades at busy times.
3:19 - Drive by Wire and Steer by Wire
As you like Scanias so much, you definitely should check out the channel from Bruce Wilson!
He is located in the US and has two of the few Eurotrucks over there, namely Scanias.
Scania + MAN + Navistar = Volkswagen Group !
Checkout Mcfadyens wind turbine transport
Normal truck drivers: pimping their ride with a bunch of leds and flashy paint jobs
Logging truck drivers:
Here in Sweden they are testing crane loading with VR glasses and also screen on passenger side🤠
MAN boss was like: You see this crazy 90s toy? Make it in real life, I want it! 😀
drive by wire technology just like in airplanes should make the rotatable cabin possible
These trucks are like something out of Thunderbirds.
Nope ... they are real.
Have you ever followed the European Truck Racing events? That would likely tick a lot of boxes for you. It's mental.
The first truck is a MAN yes, but the cab system comes from a truck modifying specalist named Toni Maurer from Türkheim
You should do a Mudrunner let'splay!
In UK there are no fast lanes. There is a standard lane plus one or more overtaking lanes (passing lanes to you). Lets see if u understand....
wired. steering. and yes kind of a bluetooth steering collum
Need to watch a German Harvester!
Europe has a lot of amazing things that are consideret normal, such as high speed trains.
MAN and the Scania are with german plates
It would be just like driving a forklift which steers from the rear.
First location is somewhere in Germany
You should take a look into farm machines if you want to see crazy transformer level origami level folding to be able to drive on public roads.
9.49 Crane operator and the truck driver is the same person.
Being surprised by a transformer driving by itself. ;D
Check out Romanian trucks like Roman and DAC ... Roman is literaly the ROmanian MAN (ROMAN)... they had a partnership .... We used to build some AWESOME trucks right here in my hometown !! Big up to you regardless , I love your channel !
Hey you should look at new Zealand timber trucks And also do a video of chinese trucks
just put a small playlist of vids I found from Australia, that have log trucks in them, you might find a something worth putting in a vid, I'll put link in discord
The logging truck at the start most likely uses drive by wire, brake by wire and steer by wire. There is no physical connection between the throttle and engine, brake pedal and brakes, steering wheel and steering axle.
dgermany! sure!
With the first MAN truck it is possible that it’s electric steering that means there is not an physical connection between the steering wheel and the wheels
Yes MAN is part of VW amazing take a look at VOLKSWAGEN in Wolfsburg Called AUTOSTADT 😊❤
I’m 53 years old, i’m English & i’ve never seen that MAN with a tractor cab on it in real life, they are not common.
Of course you dont see them often, they cost a fortune so most companies couldn't afford them. Here in Germany and in Austria you see them more often but not for log transport. They get mostly used with a chopper or a shredder mounted on the back. They are build by the company "Toni Maurer" ...you can google them, they build lots of interesting special vehicles.
thx
Your bucket list of European vehicle manufacturers to visit just gets longer, and longer, and ..... Perhaps they'll let you drive them too .....? Regards
haha strange seeing a local truck on this channel. dalafrakt is a local company