The Good, The Bad And The Ugly VRChat Updates (New Developer Updates)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- I have a lot of mixed feelings about this recent set of developer updates, let me know in the comments what you think about everything, I'm really interested to know and have a conversation with anyone who wants to chat about it!
My last developer update video: • I Can't Believe VRChat...
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August 2nd Developer Update: ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-up...
August 3rd Developer Update: ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-up...
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0:00 - Intro
0:45 - August 2nd Dev Update
15:08 - August 3rd Dev Update
24:38 - Outro
#vrchat #vrc #vr - เกม
I have a lot of mixed feelings about this recent set of developer updates, let me know what you think about everything. I'm totally down to have a conversation with anyone who wants to chat about it! Personally I think the most strange thing is that they keep saying "we aren't seeing any dips in performance after the addition of EAC" while they push out tons of performance focused features. Also it's kind of unlucky that some of the things like speech to text and speech to text to speech could take a while to get into the game.
My first developer update video: th-cam.com/video/RiHjzMX0IRc/w-d-xo.html
Just to let you know, in case it hasn't been answered. NearClip deals with how close to a camera, such as your viewpoint, an object can be before it begins to clip and derender geometry. FarClip is effectively the opposite. Combining both you can set a minimum and maximum clipping distance. I do want to point out this is not the same as render distance which is something that needs to be addressed by the VRC devs. Render distance limits how much can render on screen up to the set limit, clipping doesn't limit this and if render distance is higher than FarClip then that geometry will still be rendered, but not visibly show. Mostly FarClip and NearClip just limit visible range. Also if NearClip is set too low then this can cause artifacts, z fighting, and other abnormalities; same for FarClip.
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I have a strong feeling that these speedy implementations of features will not only act as a patch for the outrage from before, but also be a cushion for what they will ban next.
they're clearing out a lot of stuff to then add themselves as if it was their idea, EAC invades privacy digging through your data and files for unauthorized/unregistered software while sending data back to system source, they're hiring somebody who can work with crypto/block chain NFT essentially they're purging the platform and setting up to use it for data mining for their investors
The EAC didn't bother me too much. The mods were fun and make things easy. I do create my own avatars so I still have that freedom and fun. I know not everyone can do that. I do feel bad for the people who needed certain mods to play. I just wished they at least implement these mod like features before disabling mods.
Woe be the moronic developer that forbids mods on a PC game. Allowing mods (in at least limited capacity) is basically a DEMAND for ALL of PC gaming.
I’m definitely still keeping an eye on VRChat , but ngl haven’t logged in since the whole drama , currently on CVR.
i hope for the players sake and for their sake they can implement these features sooner than later cause if they dont get these done soon, yea i dont have much hope for vr chat ngl. This is obvious damage control on their part, they are scrambling to get something out there that will make people happy but might probably will take more time and resources than what they make it out to be in the notes. VRC team needs to show us this "data" how do they go about collecting it and reviewing and shit like that show us the evidence ffs. and because of the performance enchancing mods being shot out in the back like old yeller, thats why people are complaining about the issues now. they made their own game worse by doing this and are now trying desperately to reign it back in. i seriously hope they can really keep their word cause if not yea i dont see vrc lasting that long.
I'm still convinced all of this is damage control. All of this stuff was already covered by mods, but as soon as everyone lost their shit with EAC, they started panicking and finally adding some of these things themselves.
its great to see you man im glade you are still on the ball keep it up
Never seen you before, such a high-quality made video, for such an underrated person! keep up the amazing work!
Thanks so much! I'll do my best to keep making cool things
Most underrated content ive seen in a while, I'm a vrchat quest user and barely have any idea whats going on lol, I'm just kinda vibin on my own most of the time.
Updates are good. But obviously damage control. I doubt it will continue after
ever since the EAC update, worlds that used to give me 70 fps while in VR now gives me around 30 to 35 fps while in VR. I rarely ever used mods, so I know for a fact I wasn't using an FPS booster
Damage control imo, many of my friends are just plain not logging into vrchat until the EAC goes away and playing other games now (non VR stuff)
they will have to come back eventually, they arent removing it. i will say anyone this mad about eac needs a break from vrchat regardless to try some new content
@@Digital_Sloot Yeah EAC is a reason not to go back
This is clear damage control, and everything they are working on was already things they took away. While it all looks promising just feels kind of empty as an update.
But no info about avatar searching… and personal headlights/flashlights… and internal clock… and screenshot manager… and player/instance history… and Forced Reload when infinitely loading a world… and custom loading screens… and color/custom local nameplates… this list could go onward…
(I’m just being nit picky)
these features are probably gonna be half assed due to them not understanding how the mods were originally made.
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Shame to hear that all the TTS and variants were put on the back burner or shelved altogether. It really seems like because people who are hard of hearing or altogether deaf or mute, aren't being the loudest or most egregious about losing the mods they needed, that their stuff is being pushed back. I don't understand how they can say some of these features are too prohibitively difficult or expensive to implement when hobbyists in the modding space were able to pull it off without really breaking a sweat. I get they are working on a lot of features, but I just don't see how my need to see my face in VR chat is more important then someone's literal method of communication. Progress is progress, but priorities matter.
without breaking a sweat? go ask some of the hobbyist how long their mods take to make
Yeah this is more of a hyperbole than a literal explanation. What I mean when I say without hardly breaking a sweat, is more accurately described as "without spending copious amounts of money"
I'll elaborate a bit more on clipping planes! For each pixel you render, imagine you're shooting a ray out into the world, and when it hits something, you check to see what color it should be, and record that for the pixel. Now, imagine that ray kept going so that it would "hit" every object in its way until the edge of the world, so you don't just "see" the wall in front of you, but also every object behind it. Now, the trouble is that you actually have no idea which order any of this "hits" are in; what is in front of what. So, for each "hit" you have to calculate how far it is from the camera (depth) and then only render the one that is closest to you.
Where the near and far clip planes come into play, is the fact that in a computer, these numbers are recorded as "floating point" numbers. That means that the precision of the number is variable. Bigger numbers have less precision, smaller numbers have more. One way to look at it would be to say that instead of a specific range of numbers, all the same distance apart, you have a specific AMOUNT of numbers, which can be a varaible distance apart. A simple example would be, with fixed presision, you could have 100 available numbers from 1 to 100. They're always 1 unit apart. But with floating point, or floating precision, you could still have 100 available numbers, but at any scale. So that could be from 0.00 to 1, at increments of 0.01 each. Or from 100 to 10,000, at increments of 100 each. As you scale up your total range, you also scale up the gap between numbers
So, in 3d, you have to be able to calculate what is in front of another thing, but if the total range you're using is too large, than the minimum precision, the gap between numbers, can become larger than the actual space between things in the world. So something might be at a distance of 1000, and another thing at 1001, but if your minimum number "gap" is 10, they'll both show up as 1000, and the engine won't know which to render, resulting in things "flickering" and popping in front of each other. This is known as "z-fighting"
As you increase the far-clip plan (which, as you guessed, is set by the world) the general rule is you also need to increase the near-clip plane by the same ratio, to "free up" some precision for used at longer distances. But since the near-clip plane is adjusted based on the avatar, you can get weird interactions with small avatars and huge worlds.
I really like the approach they're taking here. They're giving users complete control if they want it, but also giving them easy tools to handle most situations.
What VRChat needs to add next if they're listening.....
Avatar Search: No need to explain but it would save so much time avatar hunting!
Radio: A seen in some RP worlds that requires a radio wheel to talk to players from a far distance away!
Player Pick Up: For those who are suddenly paralyzed by abnormal means or AFK when exploring worlds with friends, setting to toggle permissions.
X-Ray Vision: A setting to see players through walls from afar, used to find a friend hiding in stress. Again, toggled permissions top choose who sees you or not.
Flight: For various reasons to get up high or roleplay a flying character.
Speed: Roleplay and catching up to friends if too far behind.
Noclip: Used with flight, go through walls and used to find friends easier.
Let map creators choose to make permissions to enable these last few settings or not.
I feel like they're salvaging the situation well but they could have added all this before EAC, and I hope they add even more features like built in compatibility for FBT on Quest.
i agree with all of this, but i think fbt isnt possible for base quest, its not a vrchat end thing its on quests end
are the hide avatars by distance and particle limiter enabled in game? cause im on current live beta and i dont have any options for that
I have so much performance issues with lag in vrchat ever since eac got added like I’ve crashed when I joined a instance that is past it’s occupsy
Oh I've had this happen too, a couple times i get softlocked between a loading screen and a error about not being able to join because it was full. Have you had that happen too?
There's an really annoying glitch going on that let's people clone.you even if you have it off
that does seem pretty annoying :(
I just got an update I hate it some avatars are bugged and I’m in 3rd person and in order to fix it I have to join the world alot of times it I can’t even use my avatars
I have a asus x407m, I put an ssd in it so it run really smooth. Before the eac update I even hook up my friend vr headset and it run quite good. But after the eac update I cant even boot up the game without getting 1 or 2 unresponsive task. I try ending the eac, no use. I try some in-game change, nothing change. There's something tell me that the eac or something else done something to my computer, you im just not sure what it is
Bro if we get the face mirror, all we need is Twitch Chat on our hands on quest
yea true that'd be pretty neat
They majorly f'ed up by introducing EAC before adding those features we already had with mods but I do believe if VRChat chooses to keep going with these updates adding frequently new features and not sitting on their lazy asses for 7 years as they did before then VRChat might actually end up better at some point, till now there is no anti crash tho I can literally crash a whole lobby without any effort without crashing myself PC and Quest users, technically I could hop worlds and crash every lobby and nobody cant do shit cuz nobody got a client to actually log my avatar, the once that see my avatar get crashed the once that don't can't tell it was me and also won't have the avatar logged by any means.
As you see this is a big issue and also since they did remove clients there is no target crashing this means if someone actually feels the need of crashing a single person they only got 2 options left, either crash the entire lobby or take their bullshit and tbf here if you got the choice to clap someone that is doing you actively wrong many people will make the choice to clap them.
There is much to do if VRChat actually cares and keeps up then we will get to a good place, if they loose their motivation or this is all just some move to please the angry fans then well RIP VRChat I guess, it will still be there but actions speak louder than any pre written statement, if you care for your community then show it in actions.
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IDK, I'm a desktop user on a Ryzen PC, and I haven't been on VRC since before the VRC update due to drama. I have no idea if the EAC update would drop my FPS. Looking at the VRC player count it looks like the userbase has shrunk. So, maybe they have fewer PC people to test these changes with or from whom they can extract data.
Im staying in vrc for now Im going to chill out vr when it makes a quest version
Ohh true, I do keep forgetting that it's pc and pcvr only so far. I'm interested in checking it out more sometime but I haven't yet
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I really just want flight back, as a short avatar preferer half of my avatar collection is now useless because they’re too short and I can’t fly up to eye level, sure I can use playspace mover but that looks janky as hell.
I'm still giving VRChat a chance. I haven't tried out Chillout VR yet as I know they still need to update that game as well. It's gonna take time before everything feels the same again in our VR social platforms. All it takes is some patience and yeah it is certainly sad that we have anti cheat and can't use the quality of life mods anymore.
I still have optimization mods because my PC can't handle my index the way it should So that completely makes it so I can't even play VRchat So I'm thinking about making a bypass so I can still play
Regarding performance loss due to EAC, anger is running high, and confirmation bias is rampant. There are a lot of people that "remember" having higher frame rates previously who really didn't.
I happened to have spreadsheets of previous performance testing that I had done on VRChat under controlled conditions, and so I was able to run those tests again post-EAC and compare them again pre-EAC data, and there was no detectable loss of frame rate whatsoever.
_Except_ that as you said there were performance mods which are now unavailable. And in my case, Pimax's foveated rendering (FFR) no longer works with VRChat, which reduces frame rate by 39% compared to when the feature is enabled. But comparing pre and post EAC data with FFR disabled, the frame rate is the same.
It's going to be hard for VRChat to respond to FPS claims because so many of the claims are going to be false claims. Frame rate data does go to VRChat's servers, so what they're saying is that the average frame rates across their entire PC userbase did not change with the advent of EAC. Where they say that doesn't prove that it's never happening that's because the averages don't necessarily reveal outliers. If 1% of their userbase experiences a 20 fps loss, that will only move the average by 0.2%.
Also there are going to be people who will simply say that EAC halved their frame rate even if they observed no apparent change or haven't even launched VRChat since the update just because they're angry and want to promote others becoming angry as well. There's a great deal of this kind of misinformation going around right now.
Funny that the features that will take more time to develop are the ones that aren't bundled completely into a single melonleader mod. Not stealing code at all....
Well, I mean I can’t even test out these updates to see my views on them. VRCHAT literally will not even OPEN for me anymore after the update, I load it and says it’s playing then it stops on its own before even opening the game up. This absolutely ridiculous bruh, I’m crapping my pants out of anger
Wow
i dont see performance issues myself
i mean the performance additions isnt some kind of cover up, i thought it was obvious they added them due to mods being gone since people used a lot of performance mods
Performance needs to go up as new hardware and technics for making players and world do also. We want more. You might be using a mobile chip to play on quest or a 32 core monster cpu. And gpus also, and since there is no forced optimization I have seen avatars that exceed 400 mb running about crushing everyones performance.. but since 2017 this game has come along way and 5 years for most games are a death sentence rather than a milestone as engines are not rewritten for most aging games, but sine this is a social platform
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I've got 4000+ hours of gameplay on VRC. I can tell you that these updates are getting pushed quick because they've noticed people are kinda leaving. Plus, they have a great reputation for adding new things, like new bugs to the game. With pretty much every "update" they've had in the past, they would just create new bugs and not really try to fix them. This game is sorta old and they had plenty of time to add features that mods have already made. Even the desktop camera thing you talked about, that too was a modded feature until the mod creator didn't want to have to try and keep up with VRC's updates anymore basically. Plus, we already had mirrors that could follow us and be moved around how we liked as well. VRC's devs are scrambling because of the backlash. This is all dmg control. I've uninstalled VRC and have been enjoying CVR instead. Melon Loaders team is also working with CRV's devs to help the development as well.
Dude is that right about there will be a patch about nerf all nsfw content??
I don't know but I haven't seen anything about that yet
Tbh I don't care I just want the mods back tbh-
900th sub
Hell yea, that's a poggers for sure
I've been trying to tell people about VRChat's dev team changing TOS in order to allow them to take and edit user created content so that they can sell it for profit, without the owners consent, but You-tube has decided to delete my comment on one video on particular.... so be it.
I should also mention that VRChat will not reimburse players for the sales of content they created, and they can send any fines they receive from breaching copyright from selling the content they took from players right back to the players who made the content.
I left during the initial EAC outrage, but following this, I'm not coming back.
Can’t even play anymore due to lack of fps with eac running.
Chillout VR is superior Chad anyway lol
Anyway hope y'all having amazing day or night
I actually want to make a video trying out CVR and Neos, I think that could be a fun idea. I do hear that it's quite good though
@@JustLuckyVR it is a bit of a pain with the login at first everything else was easy but for some reason I'm having audio issues for a bit but I truly enjoy the game don't get me wrong Vrchat was fun but with eac it feels sorta dead also not being able to do mods sucks honestly I no there are those who just enjoy the game and don't care (and to he honest I don't mind eac in most games I play these days) but wish they could of done it better maybe make a vote or something or at least announce the right way there gonna add a anticheat software in the game maybe one that does not have bad rep yeah but what is done is done sadly
@@AnimeFan4Life2022x I made an account and had the game open for long enough to log in and stuff but not enough to really explore anything, same with neos.
I get what you mean, I'm still for sure on the side that I don't really think that EAC is a good fit for the kind of game that VRChat and I also understand completely how important mods were to many many people.
Sometimes I wonder if they announced and implemented it quickly only because they maybe predicted that there would be some outrage so they just kind of "pulled the bandaid off fast" to get the painful part out of the way faster.
@@JustLuckyVR if they did so and new what they where doing I remember a video about how they where actually preparing all this and new what to come I don't remember exactly the video fully and what next was but I remember going to the steam from page and so many bad reviews all it took was a really really bad anticheat software with a bad rep next thing you no over night the game just littarly burns from what I heard a lot of people that talked about what is going on got banned from VRchat discord servers which are honestly sad
But at the same time this shows people you can't really trust a company or a video you like with multiplayer unless they actually give the features you like and stay true to there word and won't actually screw over the community they have made with this new player base honestly I think it should of been a option I read a few post about how it should be a opt out feature for the game so mods can be used but at certain risk don't no
The only con for ChilloutVR is that at times the server hosting site is slow AF!
It says No Stream?
Huh?
@@JustLuckyVR nvm it worked Imfao thank you for the updates!
@@Bellaistic Oh it might of been because it just just got done uploading a few seconds before it went live, it was probably still processing! It might only be available in low resolution still for a while, hope you enjoy!
I sent a recomendation that they add an ability for desktop users to move their arms without having to find an avatar that lets them do that, this used to be a feature in the wholesome modding community, but I got a reply after I sent the recomendation. One of the Admins sent me a video on how to add hand puppeting to a 3.0 avatar, WHAT THE HELL! I told them it would be better to be in the game rather than having to use spesific avatars, they told me it was like changing the driver in a moving car since some avatars already have this feature, i said that the feature could have a toggle, I kept giving ways that it could work and they eventually stopped responding. If recroom can give desktop users arms, why cant vrchat?
i dislike when people ask for stuff like this, its the same when people ask for third person on desktop. this is a VR game, a game made to be played in vr, yes desktop compatible but the focus doesnt need to go to desktop unless theres an actual performance issue. yes the features would be ok to have, but id rather wait for a much more stable vrchat before they add unneeded features to desktop
@@Digital_Sloot Well, that’s your opinion, but I think if you have access to the game, you should at least be able to get a good experience out of it. Now I’m missing out because my vr stopped working, I don’t think it’s fair that I now have to miss out because I can’t fix it, and there’s other people missing out too. If they want to go down a more professional route, give access to more things for more people.
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Performance issues yes a 3070 ti is literally dying
Ngl while the devs updating the game is nice, this just shows that the devs won't do anything until people are mass uninstalling the game, and other protesting. There is no reason why simple graphic settings shouldn't have been in the game day one. Literally all VR games have these settings, Boneworks, H3VR, B&S, CVR, and NEOS. Tired of the devs drip feeding updates.
I do love ur content tho
Thanks im glad you like it, I get where you're coming from for sure. Also what is h3vr?
EAC gave me more frames LUL
the devs got desperate to revive vrchat by releasing the update in beta
all this shit but they dont fix full body tracking
I still want fly, super speed, teleport, and no-clip.
This, I wanna be able to spy on people's conversations. Would be perfect if I could just no-clip in.
/s just in case
Yeah and people like you are why we have EAC in the first place
@@Supermarioversus654 You're one to talk. I use these festures primarily to improve my worlds and to make videos in areas that I normally can't reach.
i think eac was a dumb addition but honestly way less ppl would care if they added the features first and didnt just do it bc of the backlash from adding eac
batman
batmanfan2009, is this youu?
For those spreading the false narrative of "most people have moved from VRC to CVR"
If you check the steam charts
Last 28 min: 181 currently playing CVR
Last 30 min: 15,384 currently playing VRC.
Peak player count within the last 24 hours.
CVR: 613
VRC: 24,638
Stop spreading lies.
True and I think it's also important to consider that that only shows pcvr players, there are an insane amount of standalone quest users that play VRChat
@@JustLuckyVR exactly and Oculus Home also has the ability to launch VRChat so anyone with a Rift CV1, or Rift 2 can launch from there which also wouldn't show on Steam Charts.
Just want them to get rid of EAC. Stops the game from running on Proton and Virtual Machines. Also causes performance issues.
Sorry, if it didn’t happen immediately, it will never happen.
What is VRChat trying to save here, most people already moved to CVR.
That's a false narrative that needs to stop being spread, VRC still has a much larger current player count right now then CVR and Neos has combined.
I'm not justifying VRCs actions by any means. Just stop spreading false word of mouth.
@@AFellowDoktuh that’s not what I mean, just most of the PCVR players have moved. There are still a lot of Quest people who still play VRChat but most of my friends aren’t online anymore. Rather they have moved.
@@Dale4455 that’s also literally not true, look at the steam data, steam data doesn’t count quest users.
@@Dale4455 like none of my friends switched to cvr or neos to be honest they dont give a damn about the update and also other people i meet will not leave on the other hand the only damage it really did is to the content creators that cant to the same quality content anymore i mean they can but it needs more work to do
@@Dale4455 maybe your friends have moved on, maybe some haven't. Since joing vrc in 2017 that's not an uncommon occurrence, I've gone through friend group after friend group, have seen plenty of people come and go, see friend groups change etc.
Honestly? At this point, it's not worth staying in VRchat. It's better to go to ChilloutVR or NeosVR or IDK. Some place that isn't VRChat. Still feels like a slap to the face to tell mods to stop or be banned, then ban them, but then say "We will implement this. We made it. Not the mod community" and still not unban the person. Sorry. Community isn't good, and developers isn't good.