Scherbaum's feats are so amazing that doctors (including a lung specialist, a brain specialist and a radiologist) at the University of Basel once wired him with a battery of instruments to see what happened to him when he blew a C above high C. Their conclusion: although the air pressure inside Scherbaum was higher than that of the average automobile tire (24 lbs. per sq. in.), he was doing himself no noticeable harm. - TIME Magazine 1962
Falls sich jemand fragt, was für ein Instrument Scherbaum hier spielt: Es handelt sich um eine Scherzer Hoch-B Trompete mit stehenden Drehventilen (das Gansch-Horn lässt grüßen...). Der lange Bogen ist ohne Funktion ("Fake Tube"), er hat lediglich stützende Funktionen, verleiht dem Instrument aber das Aussehen einer D/Es-Trompete. Es handelt sich vermutlich um den Vorläufiger der heutigen Scherzer-Piccolo Trompete.
Die Frage bleibt dabei, ob es sich um eine Johannes Scherzer Piccolo aus Markneukirchen oder eine Kurt/Karl Scherzer aus Augsburg (m.E. wahrscheinlicher !) handelt.....! Im Übrigen: Damals gewiss noch nicht NDR-Elbphilharmonie Orchester !!!
I just peeped in to your video on seeing the black and white photo. But despite the sign of antiquity the rendition proved out to be a memorable one, many times as seen through movements of the baton and hands of the maestro.It was an aural pleasure of a different variety! Gracias.
Mitglieder des Sinfonieorchesters des Norddeutschen Rundfunks (NDR Elbphilharmonie Orchester) Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt (1900-1973), Conductor Gerhard Otto (1914-1992), Flute Heinz Nordbruch, Oboe Bernhard Hamann (1909-1968), Violin Adolf Scherbaum (1909-2000), Trumpet Arthur Troester (1906-1997), Cello Gerhard Gregor (1906-1981), Cembalo
Although I am not particularly knowledgeable in classical music, I happen to like Barndenburg No. 2/Allegro very much. Having fallen in love with one old obscure performance, I have been disappointed by almost all the versions I've found on youtube, because they are played much too fast for my liking. For example, there's one, among others, by Claudio Abbado & the Orchestra Mozart, which manages to perform the Allegro in 4:36 minutes, whereas this here one does it in 5:10, which is sounds much more like the one I want to hear again.
I must agree with you and with several other commenters on here. I'm an Early Music buff myself. I love listening to music played on historical instruments (and replicas) with old unequal temperaments, lower Baroque pitch, etc. I play the harpsichord and the recorder, so I'm all for Early music protocols. Given that, WAY TOO MANY groups today play this music too damn fast for God knows what reason. This recording from 1961 is so pleasantly balanced, the tempi are ABSOLUTELY PERFECT (maybe except for the Romantic style ritardando at the end of the final movement, but whatever). I'm so glad this got recommended to my TH-cam feed! My flute teacher (yes, I play modern flute too) back in high school once taught me that modern-day performers in general play Bach and Mozart's Allegro movements too fast and Adagio movements too slow. For the phrases to truly come out, the fast movements have to be played slower and the slow movements faster. I couldn't agree more with her aesthetic. Aloha from Honolulu, Hawaii!
I tend to prefer HIP stuff (though they often play too fast for me - especially slow movements), but I've come to appreciate the charm of many of these old recordings. I'd probably never play this in this way, but it's extremely far from the worst you'll ever hear it played.
tu es une légende comme maurice andré car peu de trompettistes actuels sont capables de jouer ce concerto en direct .En tout cas en france je n'en connais aucun sauf peut-être david guerrier mais il joue surtout du cor .Théo charlier un trompettiste belge le jouait en concert avec une piccolo Mahillon .Il est connu pour ces études transcendantes
This is how people played Bach before the discovery of antique instruments. Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt was a renowned conductor of the standard repertory.. .
It's a Bb piccolo trumpet. 1/2 the length of a regular Bb Trumpet. The one he is playing here was made by by Kurt Scherzer. Early piccolo trumpets were pretty "rough" in terms of playability, pitch, etc. Sherbaum was a pioneer in resurrecting the performance of Bach pieces with high trumpet parts like this. Many don't realize it, but even many of the very best classical soloists and orchestral musicians in that era (1950's, early 1960's) didn't go near this repertoire. Since then, it has become pretty standard and a requirement for any player wanting to make a living as a classical player (or even "commercial"). The design and manufacture of piccolo trumpets has taken a quantum leap forward since then.
@@ThirdValve l remember that in the '70's we were told that baroque trumpet players had some secret, about 15 or 20 years ago this secret was discovered... HARD WORK 💪
@@allwinds3786 I think it's a matter of what's expected. That, plus the technical level has gone up (in general). There are many many more very good players... (maybe no more great players)... but the bar was raised... so folks rose to it.
Perhaps a little too much vibrato, but they where still developing on how to perform baroque style, the authentic brigade started to appear later on, this is still a lovely performance though of a baroque masterpiece!
The first ‘authentic brigade’ (Concentus Musicus Wien, founded 1953) had already been performing in public since 1957, four years before this concert was recorded. But at the time many considered them to be quirky oddballs 😂.
.Adolf tu étais le découvreur de cette oeuvre difficile et que tuas joué 4OO fois en concert faut le faire Seul maurice andré l'a joué peut être une centaine de fois Vous êtes les deux maitres pour cette oeuvre
If there is one type of music in the interpretation of which objective progress has been made ver the past half century, it is baroque music. All these players are irreproachable, and the result is hard to listen to nowadays.
@@markusbehrens2819 It's a bit cheeky to answer in German, not exactly an international language. You could have tried latin, since you seem to like the past. Thank god there is the future, in that case: the DeepL translation programme. Who determines that there is progress, you ask? Well, me for example. Do you disagree? Do you have an argument to prefer this stoggy, metronomic, accentless phrasing? But as I said, all these musicians are technically excellent. And I should add, to complicate matters, that much of the "progress" I was referring to is based on scholarship about the past, which was scant in the sixties.
@@jean-francoisbrunet2031...einmal abgesehen davon,dass ich mich nicht gern als "cheeky" - also frech oder ungehobelt in meiner Muttersprache,bezeichnen lasse,ist Musik immer eine Frage des Geschmacks.Ich habe in den vielen Jahren,in denen ich selbst Musik gemacht habe,gelernt,dass es nicht möglich ist Musik für jedermann "richtig" zu interpretieren.Mein Kommentar beinhaltet schließlich nicht,dass ich der Meinung bin,sie liegen falsch in ihrer Auffassung...ich habe lediglich versucht,einen Denkanstoß zu geben... Eines aber noch zum Schluss - ich spreche neben meiner Muttersprache deutsch auch englisch,französisch und ein wenig italienisch...die in Europa meistgesprochene Sprache ist vielleicht keine Weltsprache - mag sein auch keine internationale Sprache - und dennoch würde ich nie einen Mitmenschen mit französischem Namen,der sich hier im Kommentarbereich der englischen Sprache bedient,vorwerfen,in einer Diskussion über J.S.Bach und eines der besten deutschen Orchester,sich nicht der deutschen Sprache zu bedienen... Ich wünsche Ihnen weiterhin viel Freude an guter Musik und einen schönen Abend... Viele Grüße Markus Behrens (ehemaliger Tubist und grosser Verdi Liebhaber)
@@markusbehrens2819 Maybe be "cheeky" was not the right word. I think you are a bit, let's say: impolite, if you understand and speak English, to answer in your mother tongue, German, someone who is obviously French and makes the effort of not writing in in his own mother tongue but in English, for the obvious reason that it is the only language he knows which he can assume to be also known by non-French speakers (like you). Concerning the issue discussed I believe that there is a level of objectivity in taste. Which is for example why Bach or Verdi are so famous, and others less so.
Muy interesante. PEro veo que en varias partes, especialmente en el andante, realizan demasiados vibratos. Hasta donde sé, el vibrato no era parte de la interpretación barroca.
Spettacolare più di 60 anni fa musica live allo stato puro ! Così si deve fare
Unglaublich spritzig..schön…
Is like watching a man walk on the moon for the first time. Pioneers schrabin what fantastic playing. Scherbaum ……what a great player.
This one is the best greatest oldest bach videos i,ve ever seen!
Bravo
Infinitas gracias !
.Pour jouer cette oeuvre il faut des lèvres d'acier et une grande force physique bravo monsieur scherbaum qui l'avait joué plus de400 fois en public
Great balance in the quartet.
I love it! Hard to believe they played it so long ago and it’s still so enjoyable!
That is why it's called "Classical."
Scherbaum's feats are so amazing that doctors (including a lung specialist, a brain specialist and a radiologist) at the University of Basel once wired him with a battery of instruments to see what happened to him when he blew a C above high C. Their conclusion: although the air pressure inside Scherbaum was higher than that of the average automobile tire (24 lbs. per sq. in.), he was doing himself no noticeable harm. - TIME Magazine 1962
quelle force adolf .La force physique est nécessaire pour jouer cette oeuvre
Falls sich jemand fragt, was für ein Instrument Scherbaum hier spielt: Es handelt sich um eine Scherzer Hoch-B Trompete mit stehenden Drehventilen (das Gansch-Horn lässt grüßen...). Der lange Bogen ist ohne Funktion ("Fake Tube"), er hat lediglich stützende Funktionen, verleiht dem Instrument aber das Aussehen einer D/Es-Trompete. Es handelt sich vermutlich um den Vorläufiger der heutigen Scherzer-Piccolo Trompete.
Ich habe mich das tatsächlich gefragt... Ich dachte es wäre das Originalinstrument von Johann Gottfried Reiche...😂
Die Frage bleibt dabei, ob es sich um eine Johannes Scherzer Piccolo aus Markneukirchen oder eine Kurt/Karl Scherzer aus Augsburg (m.E. wahrscheinlicher !) handelt.....! Im Übrigen: Damals gewiss noch nicht NDR-Elbphilharmonie Orchester !!!
I just peeped in to your video on seeing the black and white photo. But despite the sign of antiquity the rendition proved out to be a memorable one, many times as seen through movements of the baton and hands of the maestro.It was an aural pleasure of a different variety! Gracias.
Mitglieder des Sinfonieorchesters des Norddeutschen Rundfunks
(NDR Elbphilharmonie Orchester)
Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt (1900-1973), Conductor
Gerhard Otto (1914-1992), Flute
Heinz Nordbruch, Oboe
Bernhard Hamann (1909-1968), Violin
Adolf Scherbaum (1909-2000), Trumpet
Arthur Troester (1906-1997), Cello
Gerhard Gregor (1906-1981), Cembalo
Although I am not particularly knowledgeable in classical music, I happen to like Barndenburg No. 2/Allegro very much. Having fallen in love with one old obscure performance, I have been disappointed by almost all the versions I've found on youtube, because they are played much too fast for my liking. For example, there's one, among others, by Claudio Abbado & the Orchestra Mozart, which manages to perform the Allegro in 4:36 minutes, whereas this here one does it in 5:10, which is sounds much more like the one I want to hear again.
Totally not HIP, but I don’t really mind. The soloists are incredibly well balanced and also with the orchestra. A very well-recorded performance!
I must agree with you and with several other commenters on here. I'm an Early Music buff myself. I love listening to music played on historical instruments (and replicas) with old unequal temperaments, lower Baroque pitch, etc. I play the harpsichord and the recorder, so I'm all for Early music protocols. Given that, WAY TOO MANY groups today play this music too damn fast for God knows what reason. This recording from 1961 is so pleasantly balanced, the tempi are ABSOLUTELY PERFECT (maybe except for the Romantic style ritardando at the end of the final movement, but whatever). I'm so glad this got recommended to my TH-cam feed! My flute teacher (yes, I play modern flute too) back in high school once taught me that modern-day performers in general play Bach and Mozart's Allegro movements too fast and Adagio movements too slow. For the phrases to truly come out, the fast movements have to be played slower and the slow movements faster. I couldn't agree more with her aesthetic. Aloha from Honolulu, Hawaii!
HIP Schmip. This is so much better musically than any HIP thang I've heard of this concerto. I actually listened to the middle movement this time.
I tend to prefer HIP stuff (though they often play too fast for me - especially slow movements), but I've come to appreciate the charm of many of these old recordings. I'd probably never play this in this way, but it's extremely far from the worst you'll ever hear it played.
The track travels from the Voyager towards the constellation Peacock
tu es une légende comme maurice andré car peu de trompettistes actuels sont capables de jouer ce concerto en direct .En tout cas en france je n'en connais aucun sauf peut-être david guerrier mais il joue surtout du cor .Théo charlier un trompettiste belge le jouait en concert avec une piccolo Mahillon .Il est connu pour ces études transcendantes
This is how people played Bach before the discovery of antique instruments. Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt was a renowned conductor of the standard repertory..
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Except... the antique instruments always existed, at least since Bach's time. We just forgot how to play them.
I still play Bach like this... any rules people attempt to enforce are to be broken!
All of the clarino players were top notch
Nice sound, a large Harpshichord!!
Have another drink...
🤣
Welch ein „Swing” tolles Tempo..Interessante Klangvorstellung..Damals…
cocteau avait écrit à propos de vous son admiration
What is Scherbaum using?
I was wondering the same...
It's a Bb piccolo trumpet. 1/2 the length of a regular Bb Trumpet. The one he is playing here was made by by Kurt Scherzer. Early piccolo trumpets were pretty "rough" in terms of playability, pitch, etc. Sherbaum was a pioneer in resurrecting the performance of Bach pieces with high trumpet parts like this. Many don't realize it, but even many of the very best classical soloists and orchestral musicians in that era (1950's, early 1960's) didn't go near this repertoire. Since then, it has become pretty standard and a requirement for any player wanting to make a living as a classical player (or even "commercial"). The design and manufacture of piccolo trumpets has taken a quantum leap forward since then.
@@ThirdValve I knew it was a picc. Thank you for the brand info
@@ThirdValve l remember that in the '70's we were told that baroque trumpet players had some secret, about 15 or 20 years ago this secret was discovered... HARD WORK 💪
@@allwinds3786 I think it's a matter of what's expected. That, plus the technical level has gone up (in general). There are many many more very good players... (maybe no more great players)... but the bar was raised... so folks rose to it.
Dur dur pour la trompette mais bravo ,
Perhaps a little too much vibrato, but they where still developing on how to perform baroque style, the authentic brigade started to appear later on, this is still a lovely performance though of a baroque masterpiece!
The first ‘authentic brigade’ (Concentus Musicus Wien, founded 1953) had already been performing in public since 1957, four years before this concert was recorded. But at the time many considered them to be quirky oddballs 😂.
.Adolf tu étais le découvreur de cette oeuvre difficile et que tuas joué 4OO fois en concert faut le faire Seul maurice andré l'a joué peut être une centaine de fois Vous êtes les deux maitres pour cette oeuvre
I like this one a lot, but Karl Richter's is my absolute favourite!
Una versión un poco desafinada en los vientos, quizá el problema sea más de mezcla q de interpretación
I think the strings are out more than either of 3 winds (there are no horns)
If there is one type of music in the interpretation of which objective progress has been made ver the past half century, it is baroque music. All these players are irreproachable, and the result is hard to listen to nowadays.
...aber wer bestimmt bitte,dass diese Entwicklung ein Fortschritt ist und kein Rückschritt?
@@markusbehrens2819 It's a bit cheeky to answer in German, not exactly an international language. You could have tried latin, since you seem to like the past. Thank god there is the future, in that case: the DeepL translation programme. Who determines that there is progress, you ask? Well, me for example. Do you disagree? Do you have an argument to prefer this stoggy, metronomic, accentless phrasing? But as I said, all these musicians are technically excellent. And I should add, to complicate matters, that much of the "progress" I was referring to is based on scholarship about the past, which was scant in the sixties.
@@jean-francoisbrunet2031...einmal abgesehen davon,dass ich mich nicht gern als "cheeky" - also frech oder ungehobelt in meiner Muttersprache,bezeichnen lasse,ist Musik immer eine Frage des Geschmacks.Ich habe in den vielen Jahren,in denen ich selbst Musik gemacht habe,gelernt,dass es nicht möglich ist Musik für jedermann "richtig" zu interpretieren.Mein Kommentar beinhaltet schließlich nicht,dass ich der Meinung bin,sie liegen falsch in ihrer Auffassung...ich habe lediglich versucht,einen Denkanstoß zu geben...
Eines aber noch zum Schluss - ich spreche neben meiner Muttersprache deutsch auch englisch,französisch und ein wenig italienisch...die in Europa meistgesprochene Sprache ist vielleicht keine Weltsprache - mag sein auch keine internationale Sprache - und dennoch würde ich nie einen Mitmenschen mit französischem Namen,der sich hier im Kommentarbereich der englischen Sprache bedient,vorwerfen,in einer Diskussion über J.S.Bach und eines der besten deutschen Orchester,sich nicht der deutschen Sprache zu bedienen...
Ich wünsche Ihnen weiterhin viel Freude an guter Musik und einen schönen Abend...
Viele Grüße
Markus Behrens (ehemaliger Tubist und grosser Verdi Liebhaber)
@@markusbehrens2819 Maybe be "cheeky" was not the right word. I think you are a bit, let's say: impolite, if you understand and speak English, to answer in your mother tongue, German, someone who is obviously French and makes the effort of not writing in in his own mother tongue but in English, for the obvious reason that it is the only language he knows which he can assume to be also known by non-French speakers (like you). Concerning the issue discussed I believe that there is a level of objectivity in taste. Which is for example why Bach or Verdi are so famous, and others less so.
Muy interesante.
PEro veo que en varias partes, especialmente en el andante, realizan demasiados vibratos.
Hasta donde sé, el vibrato no era parte de la interpretación barroca.
Si se vibraba...y no le veo el problema en hacer versiones,adaptaciones ,etc, la música está viva
What do the facial expressions say?
Pinoccio's Orchestra... pffff