Still won't do it... the 700 action is machined from military grade ordinance steel which is a stronger and more expensive in production than the investment casting of the American... that's why the 700 has won enough Gold Medals they could fill the Ruger factory with them
Couple of things to point out in this review. 1. The Remington 700 in the video got a stock, trigger, and muzzle brake upgrade. The Ruger American was bare bone stock. Basically $450 vs. $900+ rifle. 2. The term "budget" is subjective since one can have more than $450 budget. Affordable is a better term. Lastly, as technology progresses, rifles become better and more affordable. The bar gets raised. The 700 is based on a proven but old technology versus the RA which is newer technology at a more affordable price. Everything pointed out about the Ruger American, I do not experience, with the exception of the zipper sound the action makes. I own both rifles. Take away all the upgrades made on the 700, the RA is the true winner. My RA has a smooth action and does not bind. The trigger feels like a two stage trigger with the trigger safety and breaks clean at 3.5lbs as advertised. Depending on ammo, I shoot sub MOA at 100yds. Not to mention that the RA has a cold hammer forged barrel, threaded and free fluted out of the box with a 3 lug bolt design that throws at 70 degrees. For $450, that's impressive. Quite frankly, the only thing you're paying for with the 700 is the action. Aside from that, the RA beats the 700 hands down. Not trying to be rude, but it seems that you already made up your mind before the video was even made.
hi Mr Fil-Am, thanks for the feedback. you could say my mind was made up before the video, as ,such as I winged the script the intent was already decided. Putting the Rem100 in a Boyd's stock (with Pillar bedding) adds a plus to the accuracy for sure, without that being done the accuracy of the rem700 would have been a bit less so. (but still not as bad as the Ruger American) like I've said before one rifle being inaccurate means little its about looking at many other reviews for getting a good idea of that. I appreciate the criticism ill be looking at making the reviews more evened out in the future
@@EpikArms The fact that you are very nice and take constructive criticism shows a lot about you sir. From a US combat vet, you earned a subscription. Thank you for your videos. 🤙🏼
I feel you didn't do a great comparison considering your 700 was in an aftermarket stock and factory stock on the American. I don't disagree with you on Remington being better action considering it's the main action for them. It should be superior.
Hi Chris, thanks for the feedback, yes I should have touched on that part a bit more. The purpose was to demonstrate its abilities at least with a free floating stock. Without the boyds stock it didnt group well.
@@EpikArms that would have been a great reason to leave it with that stock, put the Ruger in a stock it will shoot better, Ruger is a way better gun than the new Remingtons for way less money
@@EpikArms I have both the 700 and predator and love them both. Both guns shoot really well and the after market support is good. Both guns were upgraded with stocks. The 700 has a timney trigger which helped out tremendously. Thanks for putting out the good reviews and stuff.
@@EpikArms Just so we're clear. You added an aftermarket muzzle brake and an aftermarket stock, looks like maybe even an after market trigger for accuracy testing to one rifle and did nothing to the second? Might want to add a disclaimers to the accuracy portion of your review. Perhaps include in the description the cost and links to each of the upgrades.
My Ruger American is chambered in .308 and shoots half minute groups consistently. That being said, mine also doesn’t have the issues with bolt binding that yours had in the review, so maybe there’s something faulty there. I do also have mine on an oryx chassis, which of course greatly improves groupings.
I’ve literally never heard of a Ruger American shooting that bad. I agree that the American is an inferior rifle, but inaccurate, it is not. Something is wrong with that gun.
Mine's really sensitive to ammo. 168gr or 175gr Matchking it LOVES. I regularly get sub 1" at 100yds. (I'm not a super good shooter... if I put it in a sled I bet I could do consistently better.) But if I go to the cheap 150gr or 180gr ammo my groups open up to as much as 4".
Went out with a buddy the other day, him with his Remington 700 and me with my Ruger AP. He loved how light the gun was and how accurate it shot. After an afternoon at the range, said he just needs to figure out what caliber to get his Ruger AP in.
@@JasonB2025 i don't care about the price. I got a Ruger first but that doesn't mean I don't plan on also getting a 700. The problem with the 700s is there's so many different models, narrowing the selection down to just one is kind of difficult.
these budget rifles are designed to be minute of deer accuracy. The the best shooting budget rifle I have ever shot is a Savage Axis in a 6.5 Creedmoor. That rifle shot 5/8 moa without breaking a sweat. Thank you for your excellent review!
Great review. Years ago, I purchased a Remington SPS 308 with a 20 inch barrel. Replaced the really Hogue stock with B&C Medalist. Trigger was phenomenal out of the box (obviously not a Mark pro-x). Recently purchased a clearanced Remington 223. Replaced the trigger and stock. Both are phenomenal shooters. What brake are you using?
👍. Good review. What is the barrel profile of the ruger american predator & what does it taper down to please? Just another question. Why did u change the stock on the 700?
Meanwhile I'm going to keep my Savage rifles. Never been disappointed and I have 4 of them. Plus for the money dropped onto the 700 you could just buy a Bergara. But you are right about Boyd's. I just put a Pro Varmint on my Savage mk2 with their bottom metal setup. I have my pillars and Devcon and it will be my precision 22LR until I finish my custom 10-22.
I have 2 ruger Americans both in 308 and both with the 4 round rotary mags. They run great. I don’t use them for long range precision shooting so can’t comment on that but can say they are excellent deer rifles. I can buy two of them for the cost of one higher end bolt gun.
Great review, and I have lots of experience with both Ruger and REM. IMO the REM is a better platform. I used Timney triggers on my rems. My First Ruger American bought in 243. 75% of most brands of ammo did not work the chamber was .002 short and the bolt would crush the shells. Ruger did replace then I sold it. The rem I scope with leupold QR mounts and rings. They return to 1/2 MOA every time. One thing I did find is that the Weatherby vanguard 2 is better than both of the aforementioned. Yes I know who makes the Weatherby and hands down better in every way. Keep the reviews coming great job. As an aside I teach Quality measuring and write curriculum so I understand quality. All are great companies however and glad we have the choice.
Let's compare two different calibers, two different loads, two different barrel lengths, one with a custom stock & one factory, one on a cold, dry, still day and the other on a warm, humid, windy day. Yeah, sounds like equal footing to me. (actually, I checked the date of the upload - I thought for sure it was a April fool's joke)
The Remington hinged magazine plate is classic and been around for several decades. Remington: Dumping rounds on the ground since 1908. Made that one up people. It will be fine. Still better than a rifle a friend of my brother had back in the late 90s. I believe it was chambered in 280 Remington. I don't recall the model rifle. Anywhoo ... that rifle didn't have a hinged magazine plate. Instead you had to cycle all the rounds through the chamber into a pile on the tailgate or into someones hat. That was fun.
Honestly your comparison really was not fair to the Ruger at all. You had the Boyds stock on the Remington and even used an aftermarket brake. The Ruger could have had a Boyd's stock upgrade with the AI mag upgrade and a muzzle brake and still come in lower priced than the Remington without the upgrades. I did purchase the Ruger in a 308. I have Remington 700's as well and Boyd's stocks on a couple of my rifles as well. It would be good for people to know that all you need to do with the Ruger on the zipper sounding bolt is to just grease the hell out of it with a good grease and just wipe it down well. It's amazing what a little grease can do. Put a Boyd's stock on the Ruger with the AI kit, with a brake and run your test all over again. All you need to do with the Ruger trigger is get an aftermarket reduced spring or replace the spring with that of a ball point pen the same size and just cut it to the same length as the Ruger factory spring. I suspect to torque on the Ruger stock might not be right on your test rifle. And one needs to take off the AI mag release to get to it. Kind of a pain in the butt. But if the torque is not right you can't expect it to shoot good groups. Nice opinion video, but honestly not fair at all. Hey, I love all my rifles. I have Remington's, Ruger's, Brownings, CVA's, Winchesters and a Marlin.
Clean it and lightly oil it usually sorts the problem. If not, lightly lapping it will work. And I mean LIGHTLY. I've had to lap the bolts on more expensive rifles, so it's just one of those things.
Is this a Rem Arms production or the old Remington production rifle? I also agree with the others. You should do the review with the Remington unaltered to make it fair. With all that being said, you do have a good channel.
Nice video. I have the 6.5cm predator and 6.5cm 20" bul barrel with the Ruger precision muzzle brake Magpul stock. Both shoot well with Hornady 120/143. Less than moa. Replaced predator stock with Boyd's at1 can't wait to see how she prints.
For anyone curious in ontario that ruger american in 22-250 is 749 and in 6.5 creed is 849. I got that and i have found my groups to be much nicer just have to find the right load, im not even handloading my gun yet and it is a constant sub moa woth hornady eld-x but that could just be me
I don't think the two guns are on equal price range or configuration for comparing them. The Remington 783 is more the price range of the Ruger American. The Remington 700 with the heavy 26" barrel after market trigger stock and break is about the same price as the Ruger Hawkeye long range with a 26" barrel or the Ruger precision
Yes in short it's the rem700 barelled action in their chassis. For the price they are decent value. Then again for a couple hundred dollars more you could get a bergara
I think the Remington should of been shot for accuracy in the factory "worthless "stock for comparison. Don't waste your time with either, if you have to add $600 in upgrades. Get a tikka or bergara, you'll be money ahead and have a better rifle. Or you can leave them in stock form and live with it. I do like your videos
I just went t back and deleted my original comment on this video, cause I had a pretty negative opinion towards a Ruger American Predator .223 that I own. That gun, along with six other Ruger Americans are in my safe now. I have come to realize, they are a great budget rifle with a decent aftermarket now. My .223 and .270 are ammo picky but the .243,30-06. 308, 6.5 creedmoor, .300 win mag are all pretty accepting of different grain and brands.
I had a howa 1500 that was smooth but like you said would bind unless you pushed in-line with the bolt, the cheap rifles excel at being cheap. I have rugers and I like them but I don’t love them like my bergera and tikkas so I really like the honesty in this review
Even though the Remington had some aftermarket parts, I still think it's a good review. Thanks Epik Arms. The Remington does have upgrades, but they mostly just improve the comfort of using the rifle, not the inherent qualities of the action itself. I have versions of both rifles and I like them, although the Remington actions are far smoother. The Ruger action has a noticeable coarseness to it, and I also had the same slight binding when the bolt was not pushed directly forward, as mentioned in the video. The Ruger is still a fine rifle, but it could use better finish in the action. Since the Remington pattern has so many aftermarket options, like triggers, new barrels with just a barrel nut, and tons of replacement stocks, my preference is still for the Remington. If you're not going to make any upgrades and will hunt with the rifle as-is, then it's hard to beat the features you get at a lower cost with the Ruger.
My 3 Remingtons, 22-250 BDL heavy barrel, .243 BDL Sporter, .300 Win.Mag Early Sendero,all go moa. The newest is around 11 years old, I'm well satisfied with all three. I recently bought a Remington 700 Police .308. After 2 wks.off trying to wring it out it would only go 1.310". Remington said that was acceptable,I sold it to a buddy who had a Shilen 24" true heavy barrel installed on it. No clue why Rem. felt a 27" bastard semi tapered heavy medium whatever barrel was the way to go. Buddy is happy at .630, I'm happy the POS is gone, and adore my 2 new Savage 110's. Tactical, Ultralight. Both easy m.o.a.🎉👍
I put a Timney trigger in my Ruger American predator. Best upgrade ever! I don’t get the blade triggers in these budget guns. Blades are for knives, not triggers.
On the Ruger American adjustable trigger there is an aftermarket lighter spring for the trigger that reduces it substantially. On the Remington I am not familiar with the newer triggers on them. I have some Sendero's I bought a very long time ago and was able to get trigger pulls down to 1 lb. with the factory triggers with zero creep by putting in a light spring and making adjustments. Did stone the trigger as well. But Remington got a lawsuit over those triggers, and they most likely have a different trigger they now use. I never had any safety issues with the triggers on my Sendero's in 220 Swift and 300 Win Mag. Had gunsmith put brakes on both of them. Can see the bullet hit target with the 220 Swift and the 300 Win Mag has super light recoil now. Nice video and very fail assessment of the rifles.
Nothing wrong with a hinged floor plate, personally I think real hunting rifles should have one! You would leave your mag at home and it won’t fall out and loose it?
I have both the predator in 6.5 cm and an older 700 bdl in a 270. Hands down the ruger is the more accurate shooter at 100 yards, although the 700 shoots well too. I wonder if the ruger being tested here is not a a bit of a lemon? Either that or I just got lucky. Anyone, I really enjoyed this comparison. Great video once again.
Yes 6.5 cm is mor accurate that 270. Especially when it was an old 270. The Ruger m77 270 does like 1.5 moa at best. Also the bdl 700 is shorter contour the 6.5 Creed predator is heavy cold ha,,ER forged barrel
I really love both of these rifles and have experience with both. Ruger American by far best shooting budget rifle out there... would be a great go to hunting set up. Light and compact with great actions. Rem 700 isnt a slouch either. Very accurate but More expensive and heavier with a worse finish that rusts easily IMO. If you want a rifle to take in the woods and shoot anything, ruger american will get it done right out of the box. want a gun you are expecting to put some money in to make a great bench rifle or bipod rifle get the rem 700.
Is your barrel free floating? Take a dollar bill grab both ends one in each hand try to move it toward the action between the stock and barrel if it does'nt travel 7 inches toward the action it is not free floating barrel, which it has to be to shoot great!
I do think you got a poor example of the Ruger. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor predator and at 100 yards I put bullets through the same hole. I use factory match 140 gr Hornaday ammo.
Why did you stack the deck in favor of the Remington? Are you on their payroll? Compare them the way they came from the factory,and compare multiple loads.
I have both and my ruger American shoots just as good. Both rifles are semi modify with stock and trigger. My rem 700 is just more comfortable to shoot due to the vertical grip stock.
How about the 700 to a Tikka? Since they are closer to price. I have an early 70s Rem 700 and hands down better all around rifle over the newer ones. I think Ruger has nailed down the affordable rifle
Not to pile on but for nearly the cost of the add-on accessories you could nearly buy the Ruger. Nevermind that the Remington everywhere I've seen if it is double the MSRP to begin with... For my needs I would happily take the Remington but for what it would cost to match where you were running it I'd be better off waiting for a Tikka Varmint. I'd have thought maybe an Axis vs American would be a better comparison. I'm begrudgingly looking at the two of them in a BA 223 as choices for that on even a sub-$1k budget are poor or impossible to find.
Would I use the remington over the ruger in a stock configuration most definitely but I can save that extra 200 and build a better budget rifle instead and I own both rifles and definitely stock vs stock the remington is better but still
Rem vs Ruger Really ? Kinda misleading ain"t ya.... Should of just made this a video about the Rem 700 and the aftermarket stock, trigger & brake you put on it to get it to shoot little groups and left the out of the box ruger out of it.
An SD of 15fps for the Ruger? Not sure if you’ve got a lemon of a Ruger or if your reloading practices could be improved. If you can’t get that Ruger to shoot 1/2” groups at 100 yards with good handloads, a good shooter, and some DIY projects like barrel channel clearance, reduce trigger weight to 2-2.5 pounds, and get a solid cheek weld by raising it some way, then you got a lemon.
I have both rifles, multiple models and calibers. I think the rumor is because the 2008-2020 remington rifles had horrific quality control and 9 out of 10 were complete junk. Mine are slightly earlier models but I had a 2009 model that you could only shoot once because the shells wouldn't eject even if you used a hammer on your bolt handle lol. All my Americans are sub moa with all ammo. They do have the machine marks and action sound, but they all shoot lights out, better than any 700 I own or have ever owned. I also had to send 3 of my 700's back for the recalled x mark pro triggers.
The Cabela's/Bass Pro exclusive Savage 12FV is the true king of budget long range shooting. The biggest downfall is the blind mag and the injection molded stock which isn't actually that horrible. I believe those are completely offset by Savages accutrigger that can be turned down to around 2lbs. And the accuracy of the 26" varmint barrel. And all at the $420 price US it's definitely worth a look!
I 100% agree with you. The barrels triggers and even the stock are good. I love the 204 Ruger round in my FV it really drives tacks. When I first got into hunting I learned quickly that good optics is where to put my money. When you find the rifles signature it will keep going there if you feed it consistent loads . With that I can get sub MOA with a good scope on a less that 500$ rifle. I will say this that th3 Weatherby vanguard 2 series of rifles are absolutely drop dead accurate and not even free floated. I now has absolute confidence in them simply the best for the money. Plus the triggers are incredible.
That's odd, I had a Ruger American predator 6.5 and I now have a Ruger American standard 308 , zero problems with mags , no problem loading them single round and sub moa all day my 700 in 300 win mag is only minimally better at any of those things,cand I have no creep on any of these guns with a light quick break
The elephant in the room is you changed the stock on the Remington 700 where you are shooting plastic on the Ruger American.where I don't own a Ruger I do own 2 Remington 1 in 243 and 1 in 270 both adl there both shooters I do like your chanel and you do have good reviews on guns let's go stock rifles.
Comparing an onion to an apple, which one would you eat? Give me the apple! I have one Remington 700 in 30-06 SPS model with an upgraded trigger; three RAR the 223 Remington trigger spring change free-floating the barrel/stock; it's a shooter, now my RAR 18' 22-caliber is a shining -star in the accuracy with CCI/SV: .47" groups average (.40, .60, .42") 50 yards, and the RAR in 6.5 Grendel 16" barrel not for accuracy, but for home protection only.
My Rem 700 in 270 Win got a stock upgrade and still wouldn't shoot the broad side of a barn. My Ruger American Predator in 308 Win is shooting 1 MOA groups consistently in a stock configuration
Good video, but this is not a fair comparison. First you had to put the Rem 700 in a different stock. Next, not comparing the same caliber. The 6.5 sucks, cause the rifling in the Ruger isn’t fast enough to stabilize that bullet.
The factory stock might be hindering that particular Ruger American, but just the same I've never seen an American that couldn't should at least sub moa, so there must be something wrong with that particular rifle. My American all weather 243 easily shoots 1/2" @ 100yards with factory stock, but if I had to choose between the Remington and the Ruger American I'd buy a Howa 1500
My Ruger American in 6.5 creedmoor shoots 0.75 in groups at 100 and that was without a lead sled or even a bipod. With as mass produced as these rifles are, it’s possible that you got a lemon
Is obvious you're extremely biased and inexperienced. How many different grain weights did you try with the ruger? some rifles are very particular. I've shot a bergara that woudnt shoot anything but 147gr
Your comparison is invalid due to not using specific rounds the rifle likes and due to not keeping the other rifle in its factory stock. Do it again with stock rifles and rounds the gun specifically likes.
The ruger must be fresh out the box with no oiling. Had that same issue with the non smooth until i lubricant the bolt rod and it was smooth like a porn stars ass 8:40
I like the info but I think you get what you pay for. I was thinking of doing a Rem 700 or Ruger build but am now leaning back towards another Tikka, pay once cry once or spend a bunch of time and money tweaking an average rifle. jmho ;)
LMAO .... terrible comparison !! PEBR .... problem exists behind rifle !! Thin cheap stock vs. custom stock !! literally first person I have heard complain about the trigger, for budget rifle, quite good !! The part that really gets me, you are bad mouthing it right from the start !! I own one, shoots great, trigger quite good, plan on changing the stock, for the money, great little rifle !! I won't be watching your channel again, not because we disagree, but because of your closed minded bias !!
I think you may have gotten a lemon with your Ruger. I have two of them and they have none of the issues you have with yours. Like you said one rifle doesn’t account for all of them
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Drop the ruger in a Boyd’s thumbhole stock, add a muzzle break, and swap the trigger like you did on the 700 and you’ll have a valid comparison
Exactly, what i was thinking. This is not apples to apples, more like apples to lawnmowers. Totally unfair.
@@shannondavis6571or it can just be the shooter!
What a useless video $800 gun with $600 stock vs $450 rifle with factory stock.
Still won't do it... the 700 action is machined from military grade ordinance steel which is a stronger and more expensive in production than the investment casting of the American... that's why the 700 has won enough Gold Medals they could fill the Ruger factory with them
I agree not fair comparison at all ,do the same upgrades to the ruger and it will run circles around that 700 for a lot less money!!
Couple of things to point out in this review. 1. The Remington 700 in the video got a stock, trigger, and muzzle brake upgrade. The Ruger American was bare bone stock. Basically $450 vs. $900+ rifle. 2. The term "budget" is subjective since one can have more than $450 budget. Affordable is a better term. Lastly, as technology progresses, rifles become better and more affordable. The bar gets raised. The 700 is based on a proven but old technology versus the RA which is newer technology at a more affordable price. Everything pointed out about the Ruger American, I do not experience, with the exception of the zipper sound the action makes. I own both rifles. Take away all the upgrades made on the 700, the RA is the true winner. My RA has a smooth action and does not bind. The trigger feels like a two stage trigger with the trigger safety and breaks clean at 3.5lbs as advertised. Depending on ammo, I shoot sub MOA at 100yds. Not to mention that the RA has a cold hammer forged barrel, threaded and free fluted out of the box with a 3 lug bolt design that throws at 70 degrees. For $450, that's impressive. Quite frankly, the only thing you're paying for with the 700 is the action. Aside from that, the RA beats the 700 hands down. Not trying to be rude, but it seems that you already made up your mind before the video was even made.
Kudos sir, Couldn’t have said it better myself.
@@hoglaw09 Thank you sir.
hi Mr Fil-Am, thanks for the feedback. you could say my mind was made up before the video, as ,such as I winged the script the intent was already decided. Putting the Rem100 in a Boyd's stock (with Pillar bedding) adds a plus to the accuracy for sure, without that being done the accuracy of the rem700 would have been a bit less so. (but still not as bad as the Ruger American) like I've said before one rifle being inaccurate means little its about looking at many other reviews for getting a good idea of that.
I appreciate the criticism ill be looking at making the reviews more evened out in the future
@@EpikArms The fact that you are very nice and take constructive criticism shows a lot about you sir. From a US combat vet, you earned a subscription. Thank you for your videos. 🤙🏼
@@mrfilamfishing thank you sir! I'm committed to making my videos better and better, (Ill not repeat this same gaffe)
I feel you didn't do a great comparison considering your 700 was in an aftermarket stock and factory stock on the American. I don't disagree with you on Remington being better action considering it's the main action for them. It should be superior.
Hi Chris, thanks for the feedback, yes I should have touched on that part a bit more. The purpose was to demonstrate its abilities at least with a free floating stock. Without the boyds stock it didnt group well.
@@EpikArms that would have been a great reason to leave it with that stock, put the Ruger in a stock it will shoot better, Ruger is a way better gun than the new Remingtons for way less money
@@EpikArms I have both the 700 and predator and love them both. Both guns shoot really well and the after market support is good. Both guns were upgraded with stocks. The 700 has a timney trigger which helped out tremendously. Thanks for putting out the good reviews and stuff.
@@6creeder688 can’t wait for all the custom actions based on the Ruger platform to hit the market.
@@EpikArms Just so we're clear. You added an aftermarket muzzle brake and an aftermarket stock, looks like maybe even an after market trigger for accuracy testing to one rifle and did nothing to the second? Might want to add a disclaimers to the accuracy portion of your review. Perhaps include in the description the cost and links to each of the upgrades.
I love how you had to upgrade the Remington to get it to out shoot a $450 gun thanks for the head to head comparison! Lol
The Remington was upgraded in this video while the Ruger had nothing 😳 That was a great video showing how much you dislike the Ruger.
My Ruger American is chambered in .308 and shoots half minute groups consistently. That being said, mine also doesn’t have the issues with bolt binding that yours had in the review, so maybe there’s something faulty there. I do also have mine on an oryx chassis, which of course greatly improves groupings.
I’ve literally never heard of a Ruger American shooting that bad. I agree that the American is an inferior rifle, but inaccurate, it is not. Something is wrong with that gun.
Mine's really sensitive to ammo. 168gr or 175gr Matchking it LOVES. I regularly get sub 1" at 100yds. (I'm not a super good shooter... if I put it in a sled I bet I could do consistently better.) But if I go to the cheap 150gr or 180gr ammo my groups open up to as much as 4".
Right, mine doesn't either nor did my 6.5 Ruger
Went out with a buddy the other day, him with his Remington 700 and me with my Ruger AP. He loved how light the gun was and how accurate it shot. After an afternoon at the range, said he just needs to figure out what caliber to get his Ruger AP in.
Which one would you choose if you didn't care about the price difference?
@@JasonB2025 i don't care about the price. I got a Ruger first but that doesn't mean I don't plan on also getting a 700. The problem with the 700s is there's so many different models, narrowing the selection down to just one is kind of difficult.
@@JasonB2025 if money was no object id get a seekins hit
@@GrimDave40k You have to be able to shoot sub moa to group sub moa!
these budget rifles are designed to be minute of deer accuracy. The the best shooting budget rifle I have ever shot is a Savage Axis in a 6.5 Creedmoor. That rifle shot 5/8 moa without breaking a sweat. Thank you for your excellent review!
I'll take my American standard 308 over my wife's axis 308 all day every day
What about Savage axis 2 compared to both
I even have an Axis 2 you can use...
I'd like to see that.
Axis is not very good at all
@@6creeder688 the Axis II is a pretty good rifle.
@@bertnichols6335 I’ve got 4 in my shop in pieces there perfect low budget hunting rifles that’s about it
Great review.
Years ago, I purchased a Remington SPS 308 with a 20 inch barrel. Replaced the really Hogue stock with B&C Medalist. Trigger was phenomenal out of the box (obviously not a Mark pro-x).
Recently purchased a clearanced Remington 223. Replaced the trigger and stock.
Both are phenomenal shooters.
What brake are you using?
Core brake V3 from Coretac Solutions.
Thank you
👍. Good review. What is the barrel profile of the ruger american predator & what does it taper down to please? Just another question. Why did u change the stock on the 700?
Meanwhile I'm going to keep my Savage rifles. Never been disappointed and I have 4 of them. Plus for the money dropped onto the 700 you could just buy a Bergara. But you are right about Boyd's. I just put a Pro Varmint on my Savage mk2 with their bottom metal setup. I have my pillars and Devcon and it will be my precision 22LR until I finish my custom 10-22.
I have 2 ruger Americans both in 308 and both with the 4 round rotary mags. They run great. I don’t use them for long range precision shooting so can’t comment on that but can say they are excellent deer rifles. I can buy two of them for the cost of one higher end bolt gun.
I'd go with the Remington
Thank you for another great review of an “affordable” rifle comparison.
Remington 700 actions are used to build the most accurate rifles in the world. Not Ruger....
Great review, and I have lots of experience with both Ruger and REM.
IMO the REM is a better platform. I used Timney triggers on my rems.
My First Ruger American bought in 243. 75% of most brands of ammo did not work the chamber was .002 short and the bolt would crush the shells.
Ruger did replace then I sold it.
The rem I scope with leupold QR mounts and rings. They return to 1/2 MOA every time.
One thing I did find is that the Weatherby vanguard 2 is better than both of the aforementioned.
Yes I know who makes the Weatherby and hands down better in every way.
Keep the reviews coming great job.
As an aside I teach Quality measuring and write curriculum so I understand quality.
All are great companies however and glad we have the choice.
My Ruger AP chambered in 6.5 Creed shoots amazing almost same hole groups a 100 yards with hand loads 147 grain Hornady ELDM with Accurate 4350 powder
Let's compare two different calibers, two different loads, two different barrel lengths, one with a custom stock & one factory, one on a cold, dry, still day and the other on a warm, humid, windy day. Yeah, sounds like equal footing to me. (actually, I checked the date of the upload - I thought for sure it was a April fool's joke)
I couldn't even finish watching the video. He made his mind up from the beginning.
yep my mind has been made up for a while, i've had both of these rifles for a while
long barrell for hiking and walking through scrub? extra weight?
Would really like to see the Bore on the Ruger vs This Remington. Maybe bore issues?
Scopes loose
Biased review.
The Remington hinged magazine plate is classic and been around for several decades. Remington: Dumping rounds on the ground since 1908. Made that one up people. It will be fine.
Still better than a rifle a friend of my brother had back in the late 90s. I believe it was chambered in 280 Remington. I don't recall the model rifle. Anywhoo ... that rifle didn't have a hinged magazine plate. Instead you had to cycle all the rounds through the chamber into a pile on the tailgate or into someones hat. That was fun.
I think the Remington 700ADL has that style where you cycle all the rounds to unload it
Honestly your comparison really was not fair to the Ruger at all. You had the Boyds stock on the Remington and even used an aftermarket brake. The Ruger could have had a Boyd's stock upgrade with the AI mag upgrade and a muzzle brake and still come in lower priced than the Remington without the upgrades. I did purchase the Ruger in a 308. I have Remington 700's as well and Boyd's stocks on a couple of my rifles as well. It would be good for people to know that all you need to do with the Ruger on the zipper sounding bolt is to just grease the hell out of it with a good grease and just wipe it down well. It's amazing what a little grease can do. Put a Boyd's stock on the Ruger with the AI kit, with a brake and run your test all over again. All you need to do with the Ruger trigger is get an aftermarket reduced spring or replace the spring with that of a ball point pen the same size and just cut it to the same length as the Ruger factory spring. I suspect to torque on the Ruger stock might not be right on your test rifle. And one needs to take off the AI mag release to get to it. Kind of a pain in the butt. But if the torque is not right you can't expect it to shoot good groups. Nice opinion video, but honestly not fair at all. Hey, I love all my rifles. I have Remington's, Ruger's, Brownings, CVA's, Winchesters and a Marlin.
Agreed.
Bullshit review.
Of those were handloads in the Ruger, this guy is a fraud.
How much does the Ruger bolt improve with time and use?
Clean it and lightly oil it usually sorts the problem.
If not, lightly lapping it will work. And I mean LIGHTLY.
I've had to lap the bolts on more expensive rifles, so it's just one of those things.
@@NelsonZAPTM Sounds like lapping will get it smoother much quicker.
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Glad you enjoyed it
perhaps you shoot the stock Remington against the Ruger?
Is this a Rem Arms production or the old Remington production rifle? I also agree with the others. You should do the review with the Remington unaltered to make it fair. With all that being said, you do have a good channel.
thanks Justin I appreciate the feedback! yes this is a recent production rem700 about 2 years old
Nice video. I have the 6.5cm predator and 6.5cm 20" bul barrel with the Ruger precision muzzle brake Magpul stock. Both shoot well with Hornady 120/143. Less than moa. Replaced predator stock with Boyd's at1 can't wait to see how she prints.
I've never shot before and I just got my PAL what bolt action am I buying? .223 is probably the ammo I'm looking at
Hey Jimmy, yeah a .223 is a great rifle for fun
Ruger American are accurate enough but feel cheap and are cheap.
For anyone curious in ontario that ruger american in 22-250 is 749 and in 6.5 creed is 849. I got that and i have found my groups to be much nicer just have to find the right load, im not even handloading my gun yet and it is a constant sub moa woth hornady eld-x but that could just be me
nice! im going to have to rework my Ruger American
Is this the ADL or the SPS model?
I don't think the two guns are on equal price range or configuration for comparing them. The Remington 783 is more the price range of the Ruger American. The Remington 700 with the heavy 26" barrel after market trigger stock and break is about the same price as the Ruger Hawkeye long range with a 26" barrel or the Ruger precision
What muzzle brake are you using?
For the price of the Remington you could put the Ruger in a Boyds stock or almost a Bell & Carlson stock.
Available in abroad?
Nice. Do you have any comment for remington 700 pcr?!
Yes in short it's the rem700 barelled action in their chassis. For the price they are decent value. Then again for a couple hundred dollars more you could get a bergara
I think the Remington should of been shot for accuracy in the factory "worthless "stock for comparison. Don't waste your time with either, if you have to add $600 in upgrades. Get a tikka or bergara, you'll be money ahead and have a better rifle. Or you can leave them in stock form and live with it. I do like your videos
I'd be curious how rugers m77 model does, like the Ruger scout.
Whats the best caliber for a remington short action?
The best caliber is 6.5 creedmoor!!! Lol just kidding. it totally depends on what you are doing, but 6.5 creedmoor, is pretty great
Agreed on the model 700. Everyone makes stocks for that model. Chassis, composite, wood, fiberglass.
Thank you
I just went t back and deleted my original comment on this video, cause I had a pretty negative opinion towards a Ruger American Predator .223 that I own. That gun, along with six other Ruger Americans are in my safe now. I have come to realize, they are a great budget rifle with a decent aftermarket now. My .223 and .270 are ammo picky but the .243,30-06. 308, 6.5 creedmoor, .300 win mag are all pretty accepting of different grain and brands.
I had a howa 1500 that was smooth but like you said would bind unless you pushed in-line with the bolt, the cheap rifles excel at being cheap. I have rugers and I like them but I don’t love them like my bergera and tikkas so I really like the honesty in this review
Where can i even get a remington 700 sps in .223 in canada? 24" barrel
yeah they are hard to find up here, Remington has been very slow with getting rifles up here
Even though the Remington had some aftermarket parts, I still think it's a good review. Thanks Epik Arms. The Remington does have upgrades, but they mostly just improve the comfort of using the rifle, not the inherent qualities of the action itself. I have versions of both rifles and I like them, although the Remington actions are far smoother. The Ruger action has a noticeable coarseness to it, and I also had the same slight binding when the bolt was not pushed directly forward, as mentioned in the video.
The Ruger is still a fine rifle, but it could use better finish in the action. Since the Remington pattern has so many aftermarket options, like triggers, new barrels with just a barrel nut, and tons of replacement stocks, my preference is still for the Remington. If you're not going to make any upgrades and will hunt with the rifle as-is, then it's hard to beat the features you get at a lower cost with the Ruger.
My 3 Remingtons, 22-250 BDL heavy barrel, .243 BDL Sporter, .300 Win.Mag Early Sendero,all go moa. The newest is around 11 years old, I'm well satisfied with all three. I recently bought a Remington 700 Police .308. After 2 wks.off trying to wring it out it would only go 1.310". Remington said that was acceptable,I sold it to a buddy who had a Shilen 24" true heavy barrel installed on it. No clue why Rem. felt a 27" bastard semi tapered heavy medium whatever barrel was the way to go. Buddy is happy at .630, I'm happy the POS is gone, and adore my 2 new Savage 110's. Tactical, Ultralight. Both easy m.o.a.🎉👍
I put a Timney trigger in my Ruger American predator. Best upgrade ever! I don’t get the blade triggers in these budget guns. Blades are for knives, not triggers.
On the Ruger American adjustable trigger there is an aftermarket lighter spring for the trigger that reduces it substantially. On the Remington I am not familiar with the newer triggers on them. I have some Sendero's I bought a very long time ago and was able to get trigger pulls down to 1 lb. with the factory triggers with zero creep by putting in a light spring and making adjustments. Did stone the trigger as well. But Remington got a lawsuit over those triggers, and they most likely have a different trigger they now use. I never had any safety issues with the triggers on my Sendero's in 220 Swift and 300 Win Mag. Had gunsmith put brakes on both of them. Can see the bullet hit target with the 220 Swift and the 300 Win Mag has super light recoil now. Nice video and very fail assessment of the rifles.
Nothing wrong with a hinged floor plate, personally I think real hunting rifles should have one! You would leave your mag at home and it won’t fall out and loose it?
Wow, I have the gen two and it uses AR mags and it's as smooth as butter. Mine shoots fine out to 700 yards.
I have both the predator in 6.5 cm and an older 700 bdl in a 270. Hands down the ruger is the more accurate shooter at 100 yards, although the 700 shoots well too. I wonder if the ruger being tested here is not a a bit of a lemon? Either that or I just got lucky. Anyone, I really enjoyed this comparison. Great video once again.
thanks Lorne!
Yes 6.5 cm is mor accurate that 270. Especially when it was an old 270. The Ruger m77 270 does like 1.5 moa at best. Also the bdl 700 is shorter contour the 6.5 Creed predator is heavy cold ha,,ER forged barrel
My Remington 700 PSS shoots cloverleafs at 100 yards and with factory ammo.
I’m your huckleberry
Just buy a Tikka instead. Smooth action and sub moa accuracy.
agreed although Tikka's a much more expensive 1500$ CAD for the Tikka vs 800-900 for the Remington and 650$ CAD for the Ruger
@@EpikArms the base tikka t3x is only $750-$800.
@@EpikArms American price
I really love both of these rifles and have experience with both. Ruger American by far best shooting budget rifle out there... would be a great go to hunting set up. Light and compact with great actions. Rem 700 isnt a slouch either. Very accurate but More expensive and heavier with a worse finish that rusts easily IMO. If you want a rifle to take in the woods and shoot anything, ruger american will get it done right out of the box. want a gun you are expecting to put some money in to make a great bench rifle or bipod rifle get the rem 700.
Is your barrel free floating? Take a dollar bill grab both ends one in each hand try to move it toward the action between the stock and barrel if it does'nt travel 7 inches toward the action it is not free floating barrel, which it has to be to shoot great!
I do think you got a poor example of the Ruger. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor predator and at 100 yards I put bullets through the same hole. I use factory match 140 gr Hornaday ammo.
Why did you stack the deck in favor of the Remington? Are you on their payroll? Compare them the way they came from the factory,and compare multiple loads.
Hey there ill be redoing this comparison. Thanks for the feedback!
And no. Lol Remington doesn't answer my emails
@@EpikArms 😂
@@EpikArms 😂
Lol the minute a company hears I live I canada. They slowly back away in the bushes like the Homer Simpson meme
The action and trigger have potential. The stock is terrible. Should have put it into a Boyd’s as well for fair comparison
I have both and my ruger American shoots just as good. Both rifles are semi modify with stock and trigger. My rem 700 is just more comfortable to shoot due to the vertical grip stock.
For rifles under 7 bills, from now on I’m not lookin any further than a CVA Cascade. It might even be the best rifle under 1k right now
Test was stacked against the Ruger.... The 700 was 200+ more, plus a Boyd's stock, AND a Timney trigger.
How about the 700 to a Tikka? Since they are closer to price. I have an early 70s Rem 700 and hands down better all around rifle over the newer ones. I think Ruger has nailed down the affordable rifle
Just watching you shooting off that tire your problem is the dips pulling the triggers
Not to pile on but for nearly the cost of the add-on accessories you could nearly buy the Ruger. Nevermind that the Remington everywhere I've seen if it is double the MSRP to begin with... For my needs I would happily take the Remington but for what it would cost to match where you were running it I'd be better off waiting for a Tikka Varmint.
I'd have thought maybe an Axis vs American would be a better comparison. I'm begrudgingly looking at the two of them in a BA 223 as choices for that on even a sub-$1k budget are poor or impossible to find.
Would I use the remington over the ruger in a stock configuration most definitely but I can save that extra 200 and build a better budget rifle instead and I own both rifles and definitely stock vs stock the remington is better but still
Rem vs Ruger Really ? Kinda misleading ain"t ya.... Should of just made this a video about the Rem 700 and the aftermarket stock, trigger & brake you put on it to get it to shoot little groups and left the out of the box ruger out of it.
An SD of 15fps for the Ruger? Not sure if you’ve got a lemon of a Ruger or if your reloading practices could be improved. If you can’t get that Ruger to shoot 1/2” groups at 100 yards with good handloads, a good shooter, and some DIY projects like barrel channel clearance, reduce trigger weight to 2-2.5 pounds, and get a solid cheek weld by raising it some way, then you got a lemon.
I have both rifles, multiple models and calibers. I think the rumor is because the 2008-2020 remington rifles had horrific quality control and 9 out of 10 were complete junk. Mine are slightly earlier models but I had a 2009 model that you could only shoot once because the shells wouldn't eject even if you used a hammer on your bolt handle lol. All my Americans are sub moa with all ammo. They do have the machine marks and action sound, but they all shoot lights out, better than any 700 I own or have ever owned. I also had to send 3 of my 700's back for the recalled x mark pro triggers.
The Cabela's/Bass Pro exclusive Savage 12FV is the true king of budget long range shooting. The biggest downfall is the blind mag and the injection molded stock which isn't actually that horrible. I believe those are completely offset by Savages accutrigger that can be turned down to around 2lbs. And the accuracy of the 26" varmint barrel. And all at the $420 price US it's definitely worth a look!
I 100% agree with you. The barrels triggers and even the stock are good.
I love the 204 Ruger round in my FV it really drives tacks.
When I first got into hunting I learned quickly that good optics is where to put my money.
When you find the rifles signature it will keep going there if you feed it consistent loads .
With that I can get sub MOA with a good scope on a less that 500$ rifle.
I will say this that th3 Weatherby vanguard 2 series of rifles are absolutely drop dead accurate and not even free floated.
I now has absolute confidence in them simply the best for the money. Plus the triggers are incredible.
I actually like a hinged floor plate personally
Enjoyed the review. You kinda helped out the Remington with the after market stock and compensator. Also dud the Remington have trigger adjustment?
Your right, but this is the pre Bankrupsy version, check out my new review on the post bankrupsy version
That's odd, I had a Ruger American predator 6.5 and I now have a Ruger American standard 308 , zero problems with mags , no problem loading them single round and sub moa all day my 700 in 300 win mag is only minimally better at any of those things,cand I have no creep on any of these guns with a light quick break
The elephant in the room is you changed the stock on the Remington 700 where you are shooting plastic on the Ruger American.where I don't own a Ruger I do own 2 Remington 1 in 243 and 1 in 270 both adl there both shooters I do like your chanel and you do have good reviews on guns let's go stock rifles.
Yep, I got that feedback quote a bit im redoing the ones with the swapped stocks.
@@EpikArms you do a great job love your contint thanks
Can you but a strap on a ruger American
yes i believe it had sling swivel studs
Yes I have 2 and slings on both
Comparing an onion to an apple, which one would you eat? Give me the apple! I have one Remington 700 in 30-06 SPS model with an upgraded trigger; three RAR the 223 Remington trigger spring change free-floating the barrel/stock; it's a shooter, now my RAR 18' 22-caliber is a shining -star in the accuracy with CCI/SV: .47" groups average (.40, .60, .42") 50 yards, and the RAR in 6.5 Grendel 16" barrel not for accuracy, but for home protection only.
This is a joke. And I usually like your videos.
Thanks fir the feedback!
Does anyone know if Remington is any good anymore? I know they tanked on quality after filing bankruptcy or whatever the fck
They actually just cam out with a new rifle and apparently their qc issues are supposed to be over
After shooting the ruger I threw my 700 away might be the ammo but with the ruger I kept shooting in the same hole!
My Rem 700 in 270 Win got a stock upgrade and still wouldn't shoot the broad side of a barn. My Ruger American Predator in 308 Win is shooting 1 MOA groups consistently in a stock configuration
Good video, but this is not a fair comparison. First you had to put the Rem 700 in a different stock. Next, not comparing the same caliber. The 6.5 sucks, cause the rifling in the Ruger isn’t fast enough to stabilize that bullet.
I own both a ruger ap in 6.5 Creedmoor and 700 sps tactical 308 both are shooters imo
I must of gotten lucky on my Ruger American predator shooting half inch group without any mod... On Hornady precision hunter ammo
The factory stock might be hindering that particular Ruger American, but just the same I've never seen an American that couldn't should at least sub moa, so there must be something wrong with that particular rifle. My American all weather 243 easily shoots 1/2" @ 100yards with factory stock, but if I had to choose between the Remington and the Ruger American I'd buy a Howa 1500
My Ruger American in 6.5 creedmoor shoots 0.75 in groups at 100 and that was without a lead sled or even a bipod. With as mass produced as these rifles are, it’s possible that you got a lemon
Is obvious you're extremely biased and inexperienced. How many different grain weights did you try with the ruger? some rifles are very particular. I've shot a bergara that woudnt shoot anything but 147gr
You can't find a predator in the US for less that $500 these days, maybe common to see them for sub $450 prepandemic but not now
Im gonna pick one up friday for $430
Your comparison is invalid due to not using specific rounds the rifle likes and due to not keeping the other rifle in its factory stock. Do it again with stock rifles and rounds the gun specifically likes.
Got the wrong calibre! Should have gone for the 308, no problems like the 6.5 ! Yes I have it in 243 and 308 ! Love them both.🏴🇬🇧
The ruger must be fresh out the box with no oiling. Had that same issue with the non smooth until i lubricant the bolt rod and it was smooth like a porn stars ass 8:40
I like the info but I think you get what you pay for.
I was thinking of doing a Rem 700 or Ruger build but am now leaning back towards another Tikka, pay once cry once or spend a bunch of time and money tweaking an average rifle.
jmho ;)
i 100% agree with you, if you can the Tikka is the best option, you wont be looking back.
It's the operator and ammo. I can guarantee 💯 that I'll smoke that 700 with my factory predator. Gun for gun.
Get a Leupold Scope with CDS and watch your rifle really shoot. 🎯
Looks like that remington has all the upgrades how can you even dare to compare the two rifles???
I don’t see why anyone would get a remington 700 when you can buy a bergara. The bergara is what the remington 700 should be.
LMAO .... terrible comparison !! PEBR .... problem exists behind rifle !! Thin cheap stock vs. custom stock !! literally first person I have heard complain about the trigger, for budget rifle, quite good !! The part that really gets me, you are bad mouthing it right from the start !! I own one, shoots great, trigger quite good, plan on changing the stock, for the money, great little rifle !! I won't be watching your channel again, not because we disagree, but because of your closed minded bias !!
I'd go with Ruger or Mossberg or Hodgdon to support the 2nd amendment.
I think you may have gotten a lemon with your Ruger. I have two of them and they have none of the issues you have with yours. Like you said one rifle doesn’t account for all of them
I'd choose 700 any day over RA.