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- In December 1997, Jon Nödveidt was arrested for the murder of Josef Ben Meddaour and served seven years for accessory to murder and possession of an illegal firearm. The highly publicized murder in Gothenburg is depicted in the movie "Keillers Park". What has come to be known as "the Satanic murder" in Sweden has led to both a movie and a book.
"Keillers Park", which is named after the park in Gothenburg where the murder took place, opened in theaters in Sweden in March 2006.
Please feel free to share your comments and opinions on the video. Enjoy!
Jon was the real deal. He believed in what he believed in. I can’t speak for Jon but I know he was talented in his creative life and was foundational to so much that came after him. Tragedy and inspiration often seem like brothers. Without darkness, there could be no light. Without evil how can good be known. The darkness can be beautiful. And so is the light. Unfortunately, I never had the opportunity to meet Jon, but I am honored that he dedicated Dissection’s Grief Prophecy Demo to me. ~Jeff Becerra/Possessed~
That’s some high praise coming from another metal legend
(Side note also just found this vid 14 years later)
Very beautiful words Jeff,I am honored that i can answer you here in TH-cam, hail Possessed and hail Dissection, from Sardinia🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Hell yeah jeff 🤘🤘
The light doesn't need darkness, but darkness needs light. The light doesn't depend on the shadow to exist, but the shadow depends on the light to exist. If a mass murderer weren't taken care of by someone when they were a baby, they would never have had the chance to even grow up and become a mass murderer. You do not need evil to know what good is, goodness is known by its own nature, good is healing, regeneration, happiness, good is self-sustaining and self-explanatory, it is its own reason to be done as good follows good. The opposite is true for evil, evil is harm, degeneration, and suffering, evil is self-defeating, it is senselessness itself, it is its own reason not to be done, bad follows bad. Balance isn't "some good, some evil". Evil is imbalance itself. If the world had only good, then there would only be harmony, only healing, only happiness, that is true balance. Once evil comes into the picture, there are no good choices anymore, only lesser evils. The narrative that evil is something that should be is only perpetuated by those who cling to evil ways and try to defend evil ways.
@@defar6655 Yes.
While reading your comments, it seems that not many of you realize this film was just INSPIRED by the murder in Keillers Park back in '97. It was never meant to be 100% accurate. It's writers imagination powered by the real murder case. Get it? Got it?
What is the name of this movie
@@andreasvandersal9837keillers park
It sucks that Jon made some of the decisions he did in life as he was such a musically talented individual, I guess though perhaps the music would of not existed had Jon not been the way he was?
Crazy world, Dissection made some of the best music I've heard in my life.
Same here. He was a music genius. But like all things in life, it comes with a hefty price
What he did was natural for us humans. It was his decision to not silence his godgiven impulses to kill...
Your right..some of the best fukin metal songs ever..i miss them badly
if Vlad would not be his "friend" he would have been much different
duh
I'm glad my friends dont go out kill people because of their beliefs, thats just wrong. Nothing can justify murder unless in self-defense.
I just LOVE the music that Jon and Dissection wrote, probably the best black/death band ever to spawn in gothenburg. Thats why it's so sad to see this. Gbg is my hometown.
Yup
like in war ppl die and some justify that while doing it, but all after 100 years they say it was the wrong thing to do, so who am "I" to judge any one really.. Even tho this "I" dont believe we need a violent revolution, but an intellectual, it is time!
Looks more like Tom warrior
HAHA, looks like Alexi Laiho
@Joe sad
Coincidentally Alexi covered Dissection song.
Agreed BCTamps. Dissection is one of my favorite bands and one of my main inspirations, but it doesn't mean I have to look up to Jon or anything of the sort.
Same here. Idk what’s with these crazy skinhead cat-eating satanist but I just like some melodic guitar fingering
Nobody is perfect, but he was musically speaking!
Reign in Chaos!
I love dissection but the nobodies perfect argument doesn’t really work on this
@@baconslap9417 fr
4.45 Jon kills a man who's running 50 metres away in one shot of a simple gun for small distances.Jon is Rambo
It's a movie not a documentary you dbag
@@OldSchoolMetalVinyl but this happened in real life, in 1997
@@joeljonsson313 the events depicted in Titanic also happened irl that doesn't imply the movie should be a 100% historically accurate. All movies are fiction to a certain extent.
I feel extremely stupid to even have to point this out -but then again it's black metal fans that I am talking to so any form of primordial intellect shouldn't be expected
Vlad killed him. not Jon
As far as I can remember from statements regarding this incident (probably from Jon, but I can't double check now) it wasn't known to him that the person was homosexual. That was not the reason behind the actual murder. It doesn't really make sense either with his beliefs, as I would guess he saw all people as equal (equally revolting I guess) - simple constructs of cosmos -, thus it was no hate crime (which is a foolish concept anyways - a murder is a murder regardless of intentions).
Para mis hispanos, he aquí una traducción sencilla, si hay errores, no duden en dejarlo en los comentarios y lo corregiré.
(Inicio)
-¡Es muy divertido!
-Dios, qué mala broma.
-¡Es en verdad buena!
-El falafel cuesta 44 coronas.
Otras 20 coronas.
-Yo tengo 20.
-Yo tampoco tengo dinero.
-¡No soy un banco!
(En esta parte están en la comisaría.)
-¿En qué puedo ayudarla?
-El chico gay en Keillers Park.
Sé quién lo hizo.
(Indigentes acosan al tipo gay.)
-¿Tienes 1 corona? ¿O 5?
¿Qué pasa con algunos rizadores de pelo?
-No seas tonto.
-¿5 coronas?
(Jon y su compañero llegan.)
-¿En dónde llevas esto? ¿En tu idiota cabeza?
-¡Devuélvemela!
¿Qué está mal contigo?
-La gente está detrás de tí, violinista.
-Dale su gorra.
-Dámela.
-Dije, que le devuelvas su gorra.
-Tómala.
-Tenemos tanto derecho como tú.
-Cállate.
-¿A dónde vas? Caminaremos contigo.
-¡Algunas personas son castigadas inmediatamente por Dios!
¿No es eso lo que dicen?
-Realmente, no creemos en Dios.
-¿Entonces en qué crees?
-Poderes Oscuros y El Camino De La Mano Izquierda.
-¿Por eso es que lucen tan enojados?
-Quizás.
-Te he visto antes.
-¿Qué?
-¿No nos hemos visto antes?
-Deja de ser asqueroso.
- Dios, realmente te reconozco.
(Entran al bus.)
-Tienes unos ojos increíbles... No tienes nada por lo que estar triste.
¡Mira esto! Soy casi un anciano, estoy perdiendo mi cabello. En unos años me veré como una bombilla.
¡Lo sabía! Qué hermosa sonrisa.
Buenas noches, me bajaré aquí.
(En este punto siguen al chico gay)
-Mierda, me siento enfermo.
-¿Vas a vomitar?
-Estaba tocándome.
-Lo sé, lo vi.
_En el nombre de nuestro Lucifer Alto_
(Encuentran al chico)
-Solo pensé en algo.
-¿Qué?
-Sé en dónde nos encontramos.
En el kebab hace unos meses, pagaste por mi falafel.
-¡Así es! 20, ¿No fue eso?
Dios, no.
-Vamos, tómalo.
-¡No! Ese fue mi regalo para tí.
-¿Estás seguro?
-Por supuesto. ¿Qué hora es?
-Venticinco pasado.
-Él se tardó otra vez.
-¿Quién? ¿Tu novio?
-¿Te gustan las sonrisas?
-Sí, ¿A quién no?
-Entonces tienes que venir aquí, es absolutamente hermoso.
¿Has estado ahí arriba?
-No.
-¿Quieres venir?
-No.
_Pero es mi regalo para tí._
-De acuerdo entonces.
-Genial, ven.
(El lugar.)
-¡Wow!... ¿No es hermoso? ¿Cómo pueden creer en la oscuridad cuando hay algo como esto?
(Taser)
-¿Qué estás haciendo?
-¡Cállate!
-¡Detente!
-¡Haz algo!
-¡Levántate!
-¡Mierda! ¡Detente!
(...)
:v
Gracias por la traducción amigo! Se aprecia el esfuerzo
This is not what happened
Obey Rostipher ofcourse! Stupid move
It's because the media love o make bullshit up so that it will bring more peoples attention or to scare people away from a certain society, I dont mind thisas then you dont get idiots listening to this music. Black metal should scare people away in my opinion thats the whole atmosphere around it, rebellion and mystery in which it scares others away.
Unfortunately it happened. The scenes are based on crime that Jon was involved.
This is so fucking bad....I'm not saying I agree with Jon killing someone, but this piece of shit of a movie is ridiculous.
Hail the Morningstar!
So gay
@@DoyleHargraves-hr5cl you simpleton
@@upchuck9021 You wannabe poser.
No, it was for takeospikeslive. I feel for him, I love Dissection, but that doesn't mean the guys weren't murderers. Now does the fact that they killed a gay man make it a homophobic murder. Reporting it as a homophobic murder when it wasn't is irresponsible journalism.
Thanx K.M.C.Please keep me posted on what you find.I don;t know if you've seen the movie "Keiller's Park", but the perspective of the killers is not addressed or examined.Does anyone know what happened to the other guy involved? Since Jon is dead, and not seemingly willing to give his true motives, might the other guy be able to shed some light on why they did this?
If you haven't read naything definitive, nor spoken to the murderers, how can you claim, some comments below this that Jon was "a HOMOPHOBIC MURDERER" I haven't said that it definitely wasn't homophobic, I've just said that not every murder of a gay man is a homophobic murder, and that may(or may not) be the case here.
This is from the movie Keiller's Park. The movie is based on a true incident regarding the Dissection Frontman Jon Nödtveidt. The movie tells of a man who loses everything because he falls in love with another man, loses everything because of it, only to later be accused of his murder.Dissection Frontman Jon Nödtveidt was one of the murderers. It is believed that the killing was motivated by the fact that the real life victim Josef Ben Maddour was gay. It's a good movie.
Jon was much better looking than the actor. lol
the start was irony. i was tired and a little grumpy.
I feel you are overestimating humans.
Every human is able to become a killer.( thats why i get angry when some say: nazis were "evil") to say it in such a black/white perspective. to believe that it is that easy.
I never knew this movie existed. Wasn't it Vlad killing the guy though? Jon was only charged with accessory to murder (it was his weapon).
This movie looks like total shit and I don't know what Jon's actual reasons were for the murder. I can't really pick a side, on one hand I am a big Dissection fan yet on the other I am gay (but not in such a obnoxious way as the guy in the movie). I guess I have no opinion on it one way or another.
Probably for the best to just try and separate the music from the person. Somehow I doubt this film depicts the events as they actually happened, so I wouldn't use it to help form an opinion. Obviously Jon had some major demons, and though I don't agree with homophobia, racist views, xenophobia, etc., I absolutely love Dissection. I have to do this with several musicians/bands that I enjoy, but that I don't agree/care for with their viewpoints, or beliefs. Burzum is another good example of that.
Yeah I definitely do. I was just trying to say that I haven't even seen enough evidence to know that people like Varg Vikernes, Rob Darken, or Jon are even bad guys. Either way I don't care what Jon did or who he was nothing is going to keep me from albums like The Somberlain or Storm Of The Lights Bain.
Wow this actor who portraits Jon is really looks like Tom Gabriel Warrior from Celtic Frost. I will watch this movie.
"they led him to kill himself".... Jon was a Phenominal person, and musician, but no one led him to kill himself but his own beleifs. i hate to see people they like what Jon has done and bash what he beleaved in so much he killed himself because he completed everythign he wanted to in life.
No he saw no other way out. And they led him to answer that so the world would not see the truth. Its a narcissists work behind the scene. Jon was trapped. Death before dishonor!
Thanks for posting this video ive been trying to locate it for some time but is this the whole scene or is there more to it ?
Its a whole movie from what I've seen
I don' have the exact quotes but on more than one occasion he stated that the murder was "the biggest mistake of his life" and in the context the mistake wasn't the adverse effects to his life but the taking of another life. Meh wish I had the original interview on hand. The impression I got was that he really regretted what he did on every level.
He regretted because it was, firstly, useless, and secondly made him lose a lot of time and energy that he could have used in other things than sitting in a prison cell. Apart from that, Jon was not a humanist. "People will always kill each others" he said, it speaks a lot about his opinion about this murder.
@@moribvndi That is what Vlad told him and then he told the same thing. easier to bare when you think that way. That your not the only one.
Mute this vid and play Night's Blood while watching.
the thing is Jon didnt kill the the guy , he got arrested for helping his friend to kill him :P
He fired fatal shot according to the court.
I have lived in Gothenburg, I've been to this park, I've actually spoken tothe head of the serious crime unit (I'm not sure if that was his position at the time of the murder) about this murder (I'm researchin it for an article) and he didn't mention any homophobic motive.
I get that you can't be in a constant state of "Ohhh how awful" at every murder that ever takes place. But I think U are missing the bigger picture as how becoming desensitized is also a part of the problem.U speak of Jon as if he wasn't a bad guy & he wasn't proud of the incident.But in examining what happen, U have to bring yourself to the point where you ask,how could someone who doesn't seem to be bad as a whole do something like this? Where, when & why in his mind did this seem right?
Well acted scene but very inaccurate. Jon did not tase or shoot him.
This isn't how it happened.
Waste of time.
@KindDerKanalisation Because that is what creates the music, us harnessing our inner hatred and chaos in the form f fast paced, aggresive songs.
I have nothing against gay people. The only hate I nurture is towards the christian faith. Don't like it? Then get off, christianity does not belong here
takeospikeslive >Why dud I bring it up?Because that's what the MOVIE is ABOUT.If a person is inquiring about where this clip is from.there is something called COMMON COURTESY,by replying and sharing information.Has no one taught you this. Why are you so HUNG UP on the gay issue? The movie doesn't SAY the young man was killed for being gay, It is BELIEVED that was the reason. If you are only in the 3rd grade, you should go back to school before trying to have an adult conversation.
its a fucking video everyone god damn calm down
So I take it this is the only part of the film worth watching?
Okay..at least you agree it was a bad act. And I find you EQUALLY fun to argue with on you tube.This has been the BEST Verbal sparring EVER!
Hell yeah! He was on the right page back then! Hail Anti-Cosmic Satanas!
another way to look at it is faith is all that keeps us going its a matter of perception my friend mine have changed through the years im not preaching i just abandoned this rebellious attitude that everyonethinks isso appealing and that.....is real rebellion \m/
diffrent stories tell diffrent lies, i have heard that both shot him, and that only vlad shot him and this story say that jon killed him, we will never know the true truth, but one thing is sure, jon was a great artist and a greater musican!
I know, bro. In my teenage the influence of black metal for me was so big. It was more than music and I've done some things that I don't want to speak about.
I guess that makes you a piece of shit...
Like what? Kill a cat? Played in the cemetery at night.? Pffft
but dont you agree that art that affects you is more valuable than human lifes that DOESNT affect you.
Of course, we all make mistakes.None of my mistakes have cost anyone their life.I don't know about U.I guess it's easy for someone like Jon to move on,since he still had the life to do so.And trust me,the only person who can't move on is U.U choose to defend someone whom U KNOW,did something morally reprehensible,because he played in a band.U got bent out of shape about a movie clip that shows this person was NOT WORTH defending. I wonder if U'd feel the same if a rock star killed some1 U loved.
so many here have absolutely no idea what Jon practiced. Satanist is too general.
He was so much more than a satanist. He was calm, intelligent, an amazing musician, and saw through the lies of society. Unfortunately society cant tolerate people like that
lol @ 2:37 it looks like Immortal.
RIP Jon.... this movie looks like a piece of shit that he'd probably be disgusted with.
I like their music, but these guys live in their own dimension, not ours. Probably I'll never understand their philosophy, but I think the murder was sick.
Does anyone know the name of the movie?
I dont think this made sense. Jon is such stupid attitudes? This is media getting rid of metal (black metal) fans & artist. Pure crap. Free Violence.
Thats looks like the same story of Faust
K.M.C., that was simply to get takeospikeslive 's goat, it really gets him upset. And I was being genuine when I was asking you did you know. You seem a lot more sane and rational than takeospikeslive , which means your information may have a little more validity to it.
Killing someone for no reason is a SMART? The problem here,is you think that the only person to be concerned about is Jon cuz he was in a band you liked.I guess you can't be bothered to think about the victim.Which is SAD.I did not RIP on "Saint Jon".I responded to a person who wanted to know where the clip was FROM.He was NOT MISREPRESENTED.He WAS INVOLVED IN A MURDER.Deal With. Look in the mirror & ask why you would defend such a callous and EVIL person.Some are interested in the film not Jon
So take these broken wings and learn to fly again learn to live so free.
1st,your english is fine.I'm speaking for me.I don't say things r wrong only bcuz others say so.I'm not criticizing anyone for liking his music.I am criticizing the mindset that his being a band that 1 likes,makes what he did OK.If it wasn't self defense,it was wrong. Simple.Hailing his music is 1 thing.Hailing,justifying,and honoring his involvement in a murder,that is morally corrupt.Putting art above human life & basic human compassion is NEVER to be disputed. At least for me.
@JackoffDiamonds very well said about Jon's suicide.
What is the name of the movie
Keillers park
This is some fucked up repugnant shit.
You really should remove Jons name from this. Slander, defamation of character and libel is what you're currently guilty of by writing that shit about Jon.
what is the name of guy who acted Jon? this blonde? please someone answer
Jon was natural blonde. Have you ever seen his photos when he was young boy? and I am currently asking for a name of a guy who acted him in this movie :P
Its me
When they decide to make a movie about Varg killing Euronymous, I hope it looks just as FANTASTIC as this one. NOOOT
8 years since this comment, pleased to say the mayhem movie is much better
10 years later you got me absolutely dead 😂 the movie was alright.
10 years later and this video still is a masterpiece hahahaha
What does the innocence of the victim have to do with it?Is it required that U be a saint in order for you not to be murdered?And ok, it wasn't a hate crime. SO what was they reasoning?What was the reason that was rationalized in the minds of these two men where they felt this was okay to do? Take HATE CRIME out. What are U left with? The victim wasn't innocent,the victim wasn't likable, the victim was no saint.I mean, think about what U just posted.That applies to about 95% of us.
isnt satanism about going your own way and not care about others? Isnt gay hate something that abrahamitic religions promotes? Wasnt jon and faust posers?
I don't get a point of this short film, gay pays for Jon, Jon saves him, then lures to the park and kills him? sorry people, but it doesn't make sense
And look it from the side of those who enjoy Jon Nödtveits work.
Hes created great music and promoted Chaosophy.
That gay man. Just somone who got killed. thats all hes worth to the most of those who know about this case( and like dissection or jon) That moral shit is just sheepthinking.
They soooo should have got Mel Gibson to play Jon Nödtveidt. :P
I don't mean to be rude, but why the interest? takeospikeslive is interested because of the Dissection connection, as I am (I'm also interested as a journalist) Why are you interested?
Ye, like atkm2891 said, that LaVey-line really spoils the video. Jon said that LaVey is a clown who mocks the true meaning of the left hand path.
good ,evil its just a fucking human invention.with no devil there is no god
K.W.P., I got this in my response box.I don't know if you are addressing takeospikeslive or me, but I'll respond. I was being condescending and sarcastic at takeospikeslive comment and silly notion that it was the "Presses being irresponsible in regards to Jon and his actions.I don't believe in anyway that anyone is to blame for the murder of the young man but the two idiots involved. Including the one who played in a band.
So there was NO REASON for the killing? Just.SOMETHING TO DO? JUST FOR FUN,KILL SOMEONE?Most Black people would consider it a RACIST killing.I know I would.That's me.And U are talking about YOUR DOUBTS.How about U share some FACTS with me? Did Jon ever give a reason,was one ever brought out in court.I'm asking since this is NOT addressed in the movie.On that note,are Jon's actions still excused by U?Cuz he played in a band.U seem to have NO EMPATHY FOR THE VICTIM!Very HUMANE takeospikeslive
K.M.C. ,do U know the reason for the murder?Then having one doesn't make it any less wrong and horrific, but people try to find reasons , because people want to try to prevent things from happening later.takeospikeslive certainly doesn't want to address it. And the movie doesn't address the killers or their motives, or even the fact that one was even in a band. I have read "Hate Crime" & "Thrill Killing" . But nothing definitive.
I am saddened to watch this. Jon deserves so much more of a memory. HAIL!
He literally murdered an innocent man in cold blood. Fuck off
to the ones who made it satanism is satanism.
@reet12337 ahh and if you look at the distance, it's great shot, almost like a sniper rifle, for short barrel revolver
I LOVE that you have been reduced to petty name calling,a sure sign that I'M WINNING a debate when the opponent can't articulate a point cuz they're so angry.I would PREFER an EVIL MURDERING person like Jon hate me,& I wouldn't want to understand murdering SCUM. Cuz he was SUCH A GREAT HUMAN BEING (blech).Yeah,he's dead, so what,you aren't absolved of your deeds because you die.That's something that we are all DESTINED to do.HE CHOSE to be a murderer. So he hasn't earned that courtesy from me.
I thought satanists were like cool with all sexuality?
Alexi Laiho ???
@MrLuciferion I doubt that you where born a muslim,since everyone is born without the knowledge of any gods & religions.
Anyway, hope you & that politician get better things to do in the future than get angry about who sleeps with who.
Good luck.
I do not believe that could happen in Sweeden!
I can juge about story after the whole movie!
Its starts dark!
I'm not obsessed with hating Jon.I'm just astounded by your unwavering defense and sympathy for Jon, and your "Apparent" lack of human empathy for the victim. I get Jon was a Satanist.I get that he wrote his music from that pov, and I get that some fans "GET" his music.I just find it horrible that a certain aspect of your emotions is (or appears) absent.Ya know,we have done the back and forth, and it's been fun.But I wouldn't rejoice,or even show empathy to someone who would do U harm.
in this video they killed him for no reason, no reason for them to follow him in to the park
In the video, no but in real life there was a different story.
I just hate the stereotypical thing about satanist remember religion does not start trouble it is peoples that start trouble their are good and bad minds
I'm sure someone loves U.I can't think WHY? I mean a person who feels no EMPATHY for murder victims,whether known or unknown is not really anyone I could ever bring myself to even look upon.They'd have to be in a "program" (drug or diminished mental capacity program that is). So that speaks of their caliber.Which is not good.And I'm a fabulous person.And before U try to tell me I'm not, don't waste your breath or finger motion typing it, because I'll NEVER BE CONVINCED.
oh, and im not really commenting the movie, its just the whole "killing for ones beliefs" thingy. the movie clip sucks big time, and im pretty sure thats not what really happened.
is this a serious movie, with a budget?? :S
I'd watch it probably
Ohh,U were being "clever" with the "salon" joke.OK.Here's a hint,it's not funny either way.I don't listen to rap just for that reason.So U obviously see my point.U should care,about how the heinous brutal acts of other people shape our world,and humanity as a whole.But as U've stated,U are obviously the "SOUL OF EMPATHY" (note sarcasm).Why don't U do the world a favor and take "Murdering Scum" Jon's lead. Just like Jon,U have nothing good or decent to offer the rest of the world.
The movie piqued my interest in the whole subject. I must admit, takeospikeslive rabid defense of this person did as well. So now , I'm interested in knowing the full story accurately. I'm just a person who likes to be "In The Know" as we say. Most of the back and forth with takeospikeslive is just a play of "One Upsmanship" on each other. But if you are talking about and addressing things. It's nice to KNOW what you are talking about.
Is this really why he killed that guy??
takeospikeslive >>>if it makes you feel any better..your precious Jon WAS NOT portrayed in anyway as GAY in the film..Just a COLD BLOODED MURDER..seems like you would be more upset by that..But I guess That's not the point you want to talk about..Ohh, and you can say SHUT UP..that doesn't mean you can MAKE IT HAPPEN..HAHAHAHAH
Ohh,okay.But, the joke's not funny.Anyway.SO great,he wasn't racist.Great.He didn't DO THE KILLING.That's such a passive-aggressive take.He watched it happen.He didn't try to stop it.So he's not a murderer by technicality.He only regretted getting CAUGHT!Then why was he convicted of a crime.He had to participate in some way.Which makes him just as guilty.AGAIN, WHERE IS YOUR EMPATHY FOR THE VICTIM?Okay, I get he played in a band U liked.But does that trump human life where you're from?
But I'm sure you would agree that it's bad either way? Or do you feel as takeospikeslive , and don't believe in empathy , cause you didn't known them , or like their music? I'm only asking.
@Kamissick but who killed him, Jon or Vlad?
that one phrase In nomine dem nostri Sathanas..., is from the black bible by anton la vey, which doesn't really fit in in, cause' Jon despised La vey
takeospikeslive U wrote>you cant even be completely sure that the victim is completely innocent
So Why did U even bring up any aspect of how the victim was?U may not be saying it directly,but U are hinting around that the victim somehow deserved what happened to him.I have a thick skull,so explain to me what U meant by not being sure about the victims,I guess as far as U are concerned,his "Moral" status that apparently brought this upon him.And remember we are talking about THIS CASE.
@xerxesmv Yeah, it's confusing. I think Jon and the other guy originally intended to just beat on the gay guy but ended up killing him without having time to think. I'm pretty sure what happened in reality was nothing like what you see in this scene. I can't imagine anyone murdering a person merely because they compliment their appearance. There must have been something else that the victim did to provoke Jon.
Wasn't it sawed-off shotgun which Jon killed the dude in the park. Or so I've read somewhere anyway this movie sucks. When this clip started I thought it was some kind of parody about the murder. but as it went on they were serious. It's a shame that it includes just a little fact what actually happen there and what kind of person Jon Nödtveidt really was.
Don't see how a salon worker is a diss. I'm sure it's funny in your mind.I guess the fact that the murder took place a long time ago diminishes the brutality of the act.If he wasn't guilty of anything,WHY DID HE GO TO JAIL? He had to play SOME PART.He's dead by his OWN HAND,that was HIS CHOICE.U should have moved on when U found out he was a MURDERER and not bought his music.U are speaking VOLUMES about your lack of character &human decency.U still show NO EMPATHY for the victim.Only the killer
Es el Jon de verdad o un actor
Actor
Who said i view Jon as a god?
But lets just say he was worth more to me than whole Lithuania and people who i have nothing to do with.
Killing is wrong. ok.
Look at nature. so much killing. who are you to say this is wrong? or right?
Theres only right and wrong from invidual views.( offcourse some shared )
Lordy
it was the crown, the song is executioner (slayer of the light)...its on deathrace king i think