JOAN BAEZ - Diamonds and Rust | FIRST TIME REACTION
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This song is not meant to be an attack on Dylan, he himself says that he loves Diamonds and Rust. Its more like she is reflecting on past times and a relationship that ultimately did not work out.
I always had that same impression of the song too.
Exactly.
Of course he loves it. She's singing about him.
Yep, this song is definitely not about spilling "dirt"; to the contrary, it's a wistful, bittersweet song about a love that simply didn't work out for whatever reasons, but at the time, they "both could have died then and there" she was so happy (and maybe Dylan was too?). Beautiful.
The thing was, Joan was the big star and Dylan was basically unknown when Joan took him in. In a way, she helped launch his career by covering his songs. They did a lot together but I think drifted apart as he became the phenomenon she describes. I really think the song is bittersweet. Bob does keep things vague sometimes, but that really was/is his signature. And I don't think Joan was getting back at Bob or even stating her case. She was stating her feelings. Joan was the stronger of the two in that relationship. Bob is a character, but maybe not as strong and keeps shifting and dodging because of a self-worth issue. Joan always had strong convictions that made her the Queen of Folk -- even to this day.
Nice..well put
She also wanted Dylan to be more involved politically but he wasn't interested in protests the way she was. She was disheartened by his lack of interest.
Classic masterpiece! And that's 100% Joan playing the acoustic guitar. When i first saw her in concert in '79 she performed her entire set solo on the acoustic guitar, and it was the most powerful experience under the stars ❤
She is a superb acoustic guitarist as well as being one of the best vocalists ever.
She became famous in folk circles before Dylan and used to invite him up to perform with her. When he blew up, he didn’t return favor and that stung her.
Especially after he invited her to come along with him on his first tour of England in 1965 and never asked her to play a single song with him (or solo).
Classy guy
@@Henry-Paget No. His first tour of England was in 1965, and it was totally acoustic and solo. He first went electric at the Newport Folk Festival a couple of months after that tour. He first toured England with the band in May of 1966, a full year after the 1965 tour he brought Baez to.
Joan Baez worked tirelessly for the peace movement and civil rights. She played more charity’ shows than anyone. She such a good person with a pure heart. Even today she’s a brilliant artist, Bob Dylan bought one of her paintings, she may have given it to him as he was the subject of that painting.
She never became bitter. She’s a phenomenon who kept her integrity.
She pegged Dylan with "You who are so good with words and at keeping things vague.''
"Now I see you with brown leaves falling all around and snow in your hair...." those highly detailed quick images are exactly how we remember things. I see these snapshots in my head like they were my memories
Saw her four years ago when she played in Melbourne, Australia. She told us to forgive her if she could no longer reach the highest notes. When she did(effortlessly) she received a standing ovation. Her voice is still flawless and full of power. Not bad for a lady in her seventies.
Joan was already big on the folk scene when Bob showed up. They had a multi year fling, and after they split he had no problem writing multiple songs critical of her. She stayed in the background until this masterpiece. Seems old feelings never die. totally gorgeous masterpiece, among her very best.
Baez has been huge in her own right. She started singing traditional folk songs in a light soprano, from collected works gathered by a man called Frances James Child, but as her voice matured it became more what you hear on Diamonds and Rust.
She covered many of Dylan's songs, even made a double album. One of my favourites is North Country Blues which he wrote from a woman's point of view and is therefore perfect for her. It's a song about the struggles in a dying mining town, and like virtually everything she has ever sang the words are vital and always beautifully expressed. She only recently retired from singing having released more than thirty albums.
Well said.
Joan Baez spent her life fighting and protesting the good fight for the good of the people and their rights. She's still alive and still singing and playing the guitar.
To my generation, this is probably the greatest love song ever written. Glad you tuned in to her, Joannie Baez was the voice of my 20s!!!!!!
Classic song. Joan Baez is an artist with integrity. A strong woman with a point of view.
Such a beautiful voice and a helluva good guitar player, too. This 50-year-old song is timeless! No need to overthink this one.
There will never be another time for this kind of music from the 60's and 70's. This is one of my all time favorites. Another wonderful female singer you should check out is Joni Mitchell. I love the way you really listen to the music and the words, not all reactors do. Great reaction.
Thank you for a great reaction. Joan Baez recorded "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down", a must listen.
Joan was a big star and was instrumental in bringing Dylan to a much larger audience when he was starting out. When his relationship was over with Suze Rotolo who was the woman on the Freewheeling album who was the inspiration for many early Dylan song, Dylan and Baez started a romantic relationship that ended in 1965 with Dylan’s star already outshining Joan’s.
Joan was performing in the late 50s and early 60s at Club 47 in Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass. It was an underground coffee shop frequented by other musicians, now known, where they hung out and sung before small audiences.
I used to go there often, but after it was reopened as the Passim, by that time she was based out of the area though I still caught her in concerts in the Boston area. Club 47 was originally a jazz club, but she got the owner to hire her for Tuesday nights after her college roommate rented the club one Tuesday night so Joan could play there! After that they starting doing folk music on Tuesday nights and then it grew from there. Dylan tried to get hired there, but they never gave him a gig. They did let him play onstage between Joan's sets. Even after it became Passim, I still got to to see a lot of great performers there in the early 70s, like Tom Waits, David Bromberg, Jimmy Buffet and (my favorite) Dave Van Ronk.
It's not Joan on the cover of The Freewheelin Bob Dylan. It was his then GF Suze Rotolo.
Joan Baez at woodstock, "Joe Hill" and "Drug Store Truck Driving Man", some classic moments in music history.
Dude, really happy you finally heard this song. Just a beautiful song and Joan's voice, it's angelic. Very good reaction man, cheers.
This song became one of my favorites the first time I heard it and I ran out to buy the album 👵🏼💜☮️
I like how when she says "My poetry was lousy you said", she switches from a typical song rhyming scheme to prose.
As some have said, Joan was the big star before Dylan. She actually helped him and let him sing with her on the stage, but then he left her. She says he broke her heart. She is now 82 and retired, and she said she painted his painting the way she remembered him when he was young, and the anger just suddenly left her as she finished the painting.
So excited for you to hear this. I have always loved this song. ✌️♥️🎶
Such a powerful song from this superstar of folk.
Many of our heroes that show amazing talents and abilities, and light up the stage in whatever field they are in, have personal lives that are very ordinary and not very inspiring. They are simply humans underneath that gilded layer, and have exactly the same strengths and failings as any other human does. They have messy love lives, nasty relationships, jealousy and loneliness. We shouldn’t expect anything else from them. I suspect Dylan used Joan Baez and her established fame when he was starting out, although he may have also loved her. Her career was already in high gear when he came on the scene.She certainly did love him.
Love this song so much. I can still feel the album in my hands, looking at it and listening to it. I heard this song on an airplane when I was flying somewhere for the first time by myself, and think I was 16 or 17. I had a window seat and I grabbed one of the plastic headphones in a cellophane wrapper that were a new feature at the time, and you plugged it into a little jack in armrest and you had basically seven or eight channels of things you could listen to, terrible sound quality, terrible headphones, everything, and we had just taken off and I was so excited to be going where I was going but also a little sad somehow. Just a feeling of realizing that your boyhood is going to come to an end as you transition into being a young man.
This song came on and it immediately just grabbed me and I had quite an emotional experience as we were flying higher and higher away from the earth. It's the very definition of poignant and bittersweet.
If you really want to hear her let loose with her singing, check out her rendition of the folk song Blue, or maybe it's called, Here, Blue, about a dog named Blue. It's still technically folks singing but man, she really lets loose.
She just wrote a song about our last President. She still sings protest songs. A beautiful person.
joan plays the guitar so beautifully and sings this song so well. you should watch a clip of her singing this and playing live.
Suze Rotolo was the girl on the cover of Freeweeling Bob Dylan (girlfriend before Joan)
Thank you for this song -- I love Joan Baez; her singing Dylan's songs was pretty much a match made in heaven.
At the same time, she's about the most frustrating singer I've ever listened to -- I want so badly to sing along with her, but my voice doesn't have a hope in hell to match her beautiful soprano and the sheer melodiousness of her singing!
The 3 artists whose albums I have encased are Bob Dylan, Joan Baez and the Beatles. . . So glad you found her. Check out Amazing Grace from "From Every Stage" the most amazing rendition you'll ever hear -- nearly every song on the Diamonds and Rust album. Also, look for her version of Dylan's Simple Twist of Fate, Fountain of Sorrow, Hello in There. Her voice is amazing - with or without music - she does some a'capella, too.
Bob wrote over 50 songs ripping into women. He can take it. He loves this song.
"Greenwich" is pronounced "Grennitch." (NYC native here.) Iconic song, I was a first-year college student in '75. After all these years, it still gives me goosebumps and tears. The ultimate song about an ex you never quite got over.... Be sure to listen to Dylan's "Tangled Up in Blue." BTW Joan Baez's Christmas album, "Noël," is a classic, fantastic, haunting, perfect for those quiet holiday moments in front of the Christmas lights.
Joan is one of my favorite singers! Just an ethereal voice! Some other songs I like are "One Too Many Mornings" (another Dylan song), "Farewell Angelina," "It' Ain't Me Babe" (another Dylan song, haha) and "North Country Blues."
This is a GREAT song!!! Joan had one of the best voices in the business...and she was an excellent guitar player!!
She was a much bigger star than Bob before 1963
I'm a big fan of Joan, and this is my favorite song by her. You can imagine all the hubbub it caused when released. Most of my friends knew about their relationship, so we could only imagine how heavy that phone conversation was. In a small way it shows Bob's devotion to his career, not judging if it was bad or good, and many of us thought after 10 years, it was an expression of acceptance on Joans part, that she was not willing to revisit the past. One of my favorite female singers who knew Bob when they both started in the business is Judy Collins, who tells an interesting Dylan story. He was visiting her in CT or NY. One night she heard music coming from her studio downstairs. She went down the stairs to the closed studio door, and hear Bob composing Hey, Mr Tamborine Man', which later became one of his signature songs.
You mean Judy Collins, whose first big hit was "Both Sides Now"? Joan Collins is an actress. Also a beautiful soprano voice from those years, but with a thinner, whispier quality than Baez's. Judy Collins covered Leonard Cohen's song "Suzanne," and it became a huge hit, as his performances of his songs never did, prior to the resurgence of "Hallelujah." Collins and Cohen were friends, and he was very shy of singing onstage in his early years as a singer (he was primarily a poet), so she had him come up and sing with her.
@@Historian212 Thanks for the correction.
Thank you for this reaction. Joan Baez has one of the most beautiful voices. She was at the forefront of the anti-war movement, civil rights, etc. Joan was and is very famous in her own right, in fact, I think she helped introduce Bob Dylan to the world. You should listen to some of her singing even back to her first albums of folk songs. By the way she plays a beautiful acoustic guitar, you hear it in this song.
That is correct pronouncing her name.....Joan (By-az)Baez has a great voice and writes great lyrics. One of the most famous legendary female artist in music history.
I saw Joan Baez a few times live but the most memorable was at either the Hollywood Bowl or Greek Theatre (lot of years ago and both outdoor theaters). Both venues are acoustically perfect nested in the hills so the sound is perfectly clear no matter where you are seated. Joan had the most powerful voice and for her encore she sang Amazing Grace without any microphone and just a single spot light. Her voice rang out, echoing off of the hills and filling the night's air with her beautiful voice. I was (as was everyone else present) stunned into total silence and I still get goosebumps every time I think about it. What a memory, what a voice. Thank you for your reaction. "I remember your eyes were bluer than robin's eggs..." - Definitely Bob Dylan. Anything by Baez is great, she has the voice.
i saw joan sing on the boston common in the mid 70''s and her voice filled the entire park! she blew the roof off of it, i also saw her in a tiny venue in cambridge and she's a phenom! politically active and aware... a voice for the poor and downtrodden. she was too good for dylan.,
Good deep dive reaction. Joan's voice in incomparable. Check out her Dylan covers on the album "Any Day Now". She sings "Tears of Rage", a cappella- its amazing!
I truly love this song.
"a booth in the Midwest".
Young people don't know a phonebooth or the imagery that line creates, deserted road, dimly lighted booth with a single figure, a million miles away at 3am.
I was thinking the same thing. Or that feeling when you want to talk to someone, and you have to find a booth (or someone who'll let you make an expensive, long-distance call from their phone), and have the right amount of change to pay for the call. Or when you receive a call like that -- unscreened, unrecorded, there was no voicemail or Caller ID back then -- and it's this old lover, and it hits you in the heart and gut, and you barely have time to react because you never expected this call. Very different times.
Indeed! I can't speak for you but I'm definitely, officially OLD.
I believe this song is about Bob Dylan.. a love..inspiration for this song..
This is about a phone call she received from Bob ten years after they split up. He was going through a tough time and it dredged up a lot of memories.
SHE DOES A GREAT SONG TOO CALLED : THE NIGHT THEY DROVE OLD DIXIE DOWN 😊 WHICH I'M SURE YOU'LL ENJOY TOO GIB! 👍
Which is a cover of a masterpiece by Robbie Robertson, Levon Helm, and The Band.
Yeah you definitely misinterpreted a lot of this as some sort of attack on dylan exposing him for something but really its just her reminiscing and reflecting on a love that is no more.
The voice of an angel ! Thats the cherry on the cake for this hauntingly beautiful tune . There is so much brilliance coursing through this song's veins from start to finish . We the fans are the lucky ones ...thankyou ms Baez.
There is a great video of Joan imitating Dylan. There is also one of them on stage together years after their break-up where she invites Dylan up on stage with her and he stops to talk to some of the musicians on his way up, and she looks at him and says," ROBERT, lets go". You feel the close personnel relationship they had just in that one sentence, she doesn't Bob, she says "ROBERT, LET'S GO."
No, pronounced more like buys. I saw her and Dylan in concert in the Rolling Thunder Revue. The last sentence of this she changed to and "if you're offering US Diamonds and Rust, we've already paid. It was pretty cool.
This is her reminiscence of her relationship with Bob Dylan. Early in his career, they were the Queen and King of folk music.
Omg I had this album 1970. Another heartelt song is, "HELLO IN THERE" Joan is playing the accustic guitar. ❤ her.
I think 1970s
The song is about how she was dumped by Bob Dylan when they were on tour in England. They played together and also played solo on the tour. He told her he wanted to play alone and dumped her.
Diamonds represent everlasting love while rust represents decay. A relationship that promised a future together but broke down and failed.
This is the ultimate, elegant diss track. When he was still a relative nobody, she called him up onstage at every one of her concerts & then covered his songs. When he gained fame, he never once invited her onstage. When asked about that later he said, "I guess I wasn't very good at the love stuff." Love stuff?! How about gratitude & common courtesy? Yes, he's a genius & I love his music but his behavior toward her was that of a self-centered jerk.
the Moog synthesizer was programmed by the same guy who did Stevie Wonder's lp base on her guitar part which the Eagles used for Hotel California
Dylan wrote Positively 4th Street in 1967(??) about his relationship with Joan Baez. Diamonds & Rust is her answer several years later. Check out the Dylan song. You'll be blown away with how brutal it was.
I don't think so. There are no direct indicators that point to Joan and he has never suggested that it was so. The more likely target of his ire were all of his folk singer "friends" in Greenwich Village who turned their backs on him when he went electric. That rejection was unexpected and a very bitter pill. "Positively" was released not long after "Like a Rolling Stone," the song he chose to punctuate that change.
There is ZERO evidence that positively 4th street is about Joan Baez.
You could be right and I could be wrong about this. I know Wikipedia states the song was about a group, but at the time the song came out I remember there being discussion that the song was directed at Joan. But I don't have first hand knowledge, so I guess I'll bow to the Wikipedia consensus.
@@WMalven That does seem very likely. It was recorded 4 days after he went electric at Newport and shortly before that the die-hard traditional folkies were already beginning to complain that they sensed him moving further away from the traditional norms. There were people complaining to "Sing-Out" magazine about that.
More likely it was about Phil Ochs possibly Tom Paxton
A true MUST HEAR classic,, Bobbie Gentry "Ode To Billie Joe" (BBC Live 1968 video A MUST!!) TRUST ME on this one my music lovin' brother.
Critical Reacts: Joan Baez became a folk music star following her appearance at the 1959 Newport Folk Festival.
Bob Dylan was still in Minnesota as of 1959, "a complete unknown...", hah!!
Check out @hlawrencepowell whose first sentence succinctly describes the dynamic of Baez being Dylan's benefactor up until Dylan's own career took off and he coldly dumped her, as can be sensed and seen in the film "DON"T LOOK BACK" (1967) which documents his 1965 U.K tour during which Baez was initially present, thinking that Dylan would invite her up on stage as she had done for him in the past at her concerts.
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The thing was, Joan was the big star and Dylan was basically unknown when Joan took him in.
In a way, she helped launch his career by covering his songs. They did a lot together but I think drifted apart as he became the phenomenon she describes. I really think the song is bittersweet. Bob does keep things vague sometimes, but that really was/is his signature. And I don't think Joan was getting back at Bob or even stating her case. She was stating her feelings. Joan was the stronger of the two in that relationship. Bob is a character, but maybe not as strong and keeps shifting and dodging because of a self-worth issue. Joan always had strong convictions that made her the Queen of Folk -- even to this day.
Her voice is strong and clear in this amazing song. People love to gossip and slander. Dylan was a teenager when they were a couple,the relationship didn’t last. He didn’t want to be a acoustic folk singer forever and all the folk scene turned on him they booed him when he plugged in. Imagine booing The Band fronted by Bob Dylan. The music was amazing. We haven’t a clue
That's Suze Rotolo on the album cover you're thinking about not Not Joan If you see the documentary about Dylan called Don't Look Back you can see the moment he emotionally detaches from her.
OH WOWWWWW, YOU DID IT, NIIIIICCCCE! 👍😊BEUTIFULLLLL GIB!
I would also recommend Forever Young by Joan. It should equally make an impact. Her voice has such a tone that it just strikes a chord, and her lyrics and music are so impressive. More, please :)
“Memories bring diamonds and Rust“. I wish I could write just one line that’s good.
Joan is a beast on acoustic guitar!
Wrote all her songs. Activist, golden voice.
Great reaction again.
Yessir..
You rock..
Keep em coming..
Yep. pretty much the whole entire package. PBS TV did a show on Her , American masters or something - there is video of her playing in Boston nightclubs at I guess 18, maybe even 17.... same voice, same guitar. And Her mind was right, going back to marches alongside M.L. K. - nobody would have been shocked if She was murdered. Her mother was a quaker, father a lead project scientist
It isn’t an attack or dirty laundry being aired. She was famous first. It is an expression of how she felt when he called out of the blue. Anyway, she was the star, and he followed.
Joan Baez studio version The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
FYYYYYRRRRRR!!!💯😊AND THAT AWESOME FOLK ROCK SOUNDING VOICE LIKE JONI'S 😊 JOAN DID MAINLYYYY COVER SONGS GIB SO WHERE JONI DID IT ALLLLL, WROTE, COMPOSED,DIRECTED, PRODUCED, SANG, PLAYED! 😊
At some of her later/recent concerts she finished by singing, "I'll take the diamonds".
A truly legendary & iconic folk artist..From her album "Come From The Shadows,, I would suggest this absolutely beautiful classic,, Joan Baez "Prison Trilogy (Billy Rose)
Joan toured with Dylan on the Rolling Thunder Review in the mid 70's. A stop on the tour was filmed and there are some good live takes with Bob and Joan together. Look up Hard Rain live album from Bob Dylan/Rolling Thunder Review.
If you want to hear one of the most beautiful things on TH-cam, search the impromptu moment with Joan Baez and Nana Mouskouri
This here like folks been commenting is poetry at its best. It is classic. She plays her own acoustic. Mr dylan broke her heart big time😢
You are great! 😊
PS Their love affair was legendary, nothing dirty. She was a rockstar in her own right. Marched with Martin Luther King Jr. and was an integral person in the civil rights movement. She was our QUEEN!!! Dylan was a dark, talented rascal and they were headed in two different arcs. Didn't work out but she did "love him dearly."
Joan Baez and Rob Halford are the best duet DREAM!!
If you want to do another Joan Baez, might I recommend "House of the Rising Sun" (1960), which released BEFORE the Animals. P.S., she was 19 when she recorded it.
Wonderful reaction. Been waiting a long time for this one. Keep it up!
The "my poetry was lousy" line was based on him not liking a song she wrote about him abandoning the social protest music. But she does love his vagueness and his songs.
I think, it´s more a reflection on the past brought back to her when Dylan contacted her as he had just written some songs of his Blood on the Tacks - She even was Part of his Rolling Thunder Review in 76 - so there was no realy bad blood between them. I think there were some things that brought the relationship to an end - his turning to the more electric side after his accident, the tragic death of their friend Richard Farina, her staying more political while Dylan wanted not to be that anymore ect.... There was another song on that record, "wind of the old days"
She had the status and helped him get it and he basically ignored her after that!
Not true actually, the two of them were very close until they started coming into creative differences and had a breakup. Bob also reunited with Baez in the 70s when they did the rolling thunder tour. The situation is more complicated than "Bob used her to get famous and then ignored her"
@@Henry-Paget not true she was a hit before he ever was known!
@@dougca7086 When did I ever say she was not a hit before meeting Dylan? You incorrectly said, Dylan basically ignored her after she helped him get started.
Not sure if anyone else here has mentioned, but after this song was released Dylan responded to it by writing Oh, Sister on the Desire album. Joan then responded to that by writing O Brother which is on the album Gulf Winds, which is a slightly more bitter song written about Dylan, this was all during the Rolling Thunder Tour. Diamonds and rust was written when Dylan called Joan to become part of his rolling thunder tour, they started out getting along well but towards the end it turned bitter
You should react to both those songs btw
You were right with the way you first said her name.She said,herself,that’s how it should be pronounced.
Bob started "The Rolling Thunder Revue" tour, the idea was to travel from town to town in small venues, changing the show members in each town, like a travelling circus, some amazing shows, Joan was on the tour along with many others, some amazing performances. Bob is said to have written "Oh Sister" about Joan and she is said to have written "Oh Brother" about Bob ! There is a fairly recent interview where Bob talks very fondly of Joan, her guitar playing and her voice, he said they could sing together in their sleep ! Love Bob and Joan performing "The Water is Wide" and "Wild Mounting Thyme"
She did a wonderful double album of Dylan covers called “Any Day Now” in 1968
Have this album. It is a gem.
If you haven’t already listen to it, Bob Dylan, the song is tangled up in blue
Check out her version of the Dylan song (we don't have a version by him) "Love is Just a Four-Letter Word".
So fire Judas Priest did an unbelievable remake ...check it out Diamonds and Rust Judas Priest Unleashed in the East
There is a brand new documentary by and about Joan that has just come out
This song is so lush, so beautiful, and it really puts across her strong feelings. (Just for your reference, not meant as a criticism, but "Greenwich" is pronounced "Grennitch.")
Appreciate it 😁there are so many words I butcher on this channel, and I cringe every time lol
Magnificent song that I bought the album for.
Dylan and her were an item for quite a while
This song is about Bob
Thanks for reacting to this song, my favorite song from Joan Baez, and probably one if the best diss song! Also thanks for all the research, greatly appreciated