Mad props to you for taking the time to view the entire season and to present it factually when constructing your argument. I've seen some other Christian TH-camrs who seem a lot more interested in shock value when discussing Hazbin than in portraying the show accurately. I"m not a Christian, but you absolutely have my respect for your point of view.
The presence of both Lilith and Saint Peter makes this a mixed mythology, not strictly Christian. And in Judaism, Hell is a place for the so called "purification" of souls. Charlie's worldview is more in line with Jewish mysticism than it is a Jesus allegory, so I hardly find it suprising to see that this square peg doesn't fit into the round hole. As one on the left hand path I also find the infantilization of Lucifer annoying, however any antagonistic depiction of him would hurt the show's writing due to the character of Alastor, who very clearly fills that ambitious and devilish role. Making the light bringer a cartoon network character was the best way to solve that problem without cutting an original and more mysterious character. It's a necessary sacrifice for the writing.
“Cartoon Network character” is now my favorite way to describe this version of Lucifer haha Personally I wouldn’t really call Lucifer infantilized. He’s short because it’s ridiculous and silly to see such a trait in a character typically depicted as an imposing lord of darkness. But beyond that, he does still actively hold his own subjects in contempt for being awful people who definitely earned their place in Hell, even being reluctant to support his own daughter in order to spare her dreams from being crushed by them (and Heaven). Also the dude’s not above “I fucked your wife” jokes and had to be held back from utterly annihilating Adam. And like people have pointed out, the prologue only tells the story from Lucifer and Lilith’s perspective (even leaving out Charlie’s later claim that Lucifer allowed the Exterminations and Lute’s add-on that the Exorcists are only allowed to target Sinners; the Hellspawn are to be left alone during Extermination Day). It’s still very possible for Lucifer to be at least a little bit actually evil - he _is_ still the Sin of Pride, after all - but it holds relatively little importance in _Hazbin’s_ narrative as the series is really more about the (former) humans, and whatever Alastor’s deal is, is a much more pressing matter given he’s part of the main cast.
Aside from Adam and the Exorcists, how do you get that Heaven is an awful place? I mean, I don't care for the color scheme, but it seems kinda idealized, and Adam literally says that no one has a hard day, when Charlie implores for a little empathy, asking if they've ever had a drink with friends after a hard day. So, I'm confused where your interpretation of Heaven being bad, here, comes from. It's arguable that Pentious' sacrifice pulled Charlie out of her "good girl" reticence regarding the fight. It made her actually FIGHT.
@@RandomManIncorperatedFor the Heavenborn, it seems a little bureaucratic, but that's the Heavenborn. I assume Heaven is kinda like Hell, in that aspect, with rings that the Winners can't go to.
It worth noting that the show itself isn't done yet, 1st season yes but not the whole show. Thus not all cards were revealed yet, we don't know yet why Higher Ups of Heaven are corrupt, we don't know why Lilith is in Heaven, we don't know why Adam wasn't yet sent to Hell and most importantly, we don't yet know what is up with God in Hazbin Hotel. You see, the show still has lots and lots of questions to uncover with more seasons thus in my humble opinion it wouldn't be greate to judge the show as a whole just yet, first season yes, but not the entire show as a whole for the reasons i've mentioned. I do respect your opinion and do understand the concern from the Religious side of people though, the show is quite controversal but i just think that giving it another chance once it throws every card it has through more seasons would be a better option
I have a question, I’m a Christian and I did actually enjoy the animation, the voice acting, and some of the jokes. I took it upon myself to not let a satire, unbiblical show affect my walk with God. I thought that watching certain shows isn’t for everyone, tolerance, and sensitivity. I just wanted to know your input on what I think because if it’s something I shouldn’t watch in the first place, I won’t watch it anymore gladly.
The biggest point of Pentious' death in Hazbin story wise is to prove that the hotel works at redeeming sinners into heaven and will be used in season 2 to move the plot forward as heaven now can't use the argument that redemption is a lie
people have their own personal preferences and the show ( no matter how good it is) still deserves to be criticized. the reason i praised him was because the last two guys like him i saw just said the show was bad because it was demonic and was directed at children cuz it is animated and called it a day. also sir pentious sacrificing him self while importan to the overall plot had zero inpact on the final battle with adam where the plot mattered the most at the time. @@Xoracious
I low-key want to see your reaction to the songs, You’re a real one for watching the whole season, and actually dropping good connections to Christianity and the show. It’s actually refreshing to see you state your points. Though at this point I have a feeling your treating this more as a theoretical research rather than a mad critique😀
Ehh i respect the fact you took the realization the series wasnt actually finished on the chin like a man, but not recognising the flaws in such a black and white system that promises eternal salvation no matter what happens after you reach it is worrying to me. Quote all the bible verses you want, that doesnt excuse your disregard for the message that people can fuc* up and still have a shot at being redeemed through correcting themselves. Whether that redemption is in the eyes of loved ones, god, or whatever entity that decides our potential afterlife YOU have a CHOICE. We dont know why sir pentious ended up in hell, but after he got there he encountered someone (or really a group of people) who completely changed his worldview. So much so that he risked, and lost, his life. Why does personal development stop at the afterlife? Does anyone who goes to prison not deserve the chance to change their ways and turn to the straight and narrow? You commit one sin and you're destined for hell forever? The characters in hell deserve to be there, the question hasbin presents is should they get the chance to better themselves.
If you believe in Christ, then your sins are forgiven. I'm still learning but with what I have learned so far, I have seen that most people are confused (even people who are christian) believing that being good makes you able to get a ticket for heaven is a mistake. It's through faith alone, yes good works are acknowledge and it's the right thing to do. However, we're all sinners in reality we all would deserve hell, but God offers the oppurtonity to follow him and join in heaven until the day both earth & heaven are reunited into one. Personally I see both sides of the arguement, I've watched the whole show today, I liked it yes pacing was bad, but entertaining. However there is an arguement to be made that the show is unclear on it's hierachy and it's conflicts in universe and with the audience. Me watching it made me feel conflicted as ok it seems to take certain elements but make it in way where God isn't the creator and the Angels made man? Like what is the real genesis for the story. It confuses me, ofc if they had made a God is evil story I would've left immidiatly but since they didn't it seemed ok but it also makes the story conflicting so ST Peter is a character does that mean Jesus is a character in universe? Like details like that make me want to be critical on thsoe accounts both as a christian & an audience member just watching it for fun. Maybe if they only took angels and demons as inspo but made it so eden or major events from genesis were present I would be more willing to believe it to be ok.
@@BG_SIREthat’s pretty evil ngl apparently the mere fact I don’t believe your god exists means I can’t be forgiven for my sins yet Christian’s can commit whatever sins they please and they’ll still end up in heaven regardless as long as they repent for them not just that but my punishment for not doing so is being tortured by being burning for ETERNITY how do you genuinely worship this god let alone believe him? Wouldn’t an all loving merciful and forgiving god not subject his creations to such an immoral punishment if he truly was such a being?
@@Liam1536 because by not believing in him you are separating yourself from him and cause God allows free will you are able choose between him or go to where God isn't present to protect you from damnation. Also if you truly believe in God you wouldn't commit those acts. If you do then you're not a true believer.
@@BG_SIRE free will is not a biblical not only does god constantly violate the free will of others throughout the Bible and a choice between heaven and hell is not a meaningful decision when one is an infinitely better outcome it’s like me pointing a gun to your head saying I can either shoot you in the head or you can be my best friend of course your going to choose being a friend and my other issue with this argument is since god is an all knowing being that means he knew every single action that you would do before you were even born that means your choices were fated to happen since god already predicted them happening and you cannot deviate from his predetermined path for you otherwise that would be a violation of his foreknowledge also there are plenty of Christian’s who commit Heinous and entirely believe their religion you’re just committing a no true Scotsman fallacy by claiming anyone who doesn’t live up to your subjective expectations of what a Christian is wasn’t truly a Christian lastly even if any of this were true eternal damnation is still immoral even for the most evil people throughout history their finite existence when they committed their immoral actions is not justified with infinite torture by fire and especially people like me who simply don’t believe your god exists tell me how can you sit here typing me to and simultaneously think to yourself this person doesn’t believe in god guess they’re gonna burn in hell for all eternity and be completely fine with that? You think that’s ok? Think real hard
Thank you for making these videos! They’re very insightful and thought provoking, we need more Christian creators like you taking the time to make content such as this!
I appreciate you for doing this, because one can only criticize something once they've watched it. Some people may be thinking of watching this show, so I'm glad that you were honest about your thoughts on it.
Three things that would've made this show much more palatable for christians. 1. Make the setting in the purgatory or at least at the very fringe almost separate part of hell. 2. Make Lucifer much more grey in his morality instead of simply being depressed. 3. Make the angels a lot more hesitant in exterminating. And see the extermination plainly as a duty rather than entertainment (except for Adam and Lute).
I can say. Even if this show Is not a biblically accurate, its still has a Biblical and Religious references and ideas. 1) In fact, the whole plot of the extermination is very similar to the plot of the Book of Exodus, where Pharaoh ordered the slaughter of the children of the Hebrews in order to reduce their number and avoid rebellion. A similar story is present in the New Testament with King Herod, who ordered the capture of little boys in order to find the King of Kings among them in order to get rid of him and preserve his power and throne. Sera essentially resembles Herod and Pharaoh of the Exodus, then Paradise can be considered as Egypt and Judea. And Sinners as Jews, abandoned by God for 400 years of oppression under the rule of a foreign country. Funnily enough, but in the song Hell is forever, Adam drops the phrase "An eye for an eye", which is just present in the Book of Exodus. It says, "If a man hits his male or FEMALE slave in the eye, and the eye is blinded, he must let the slave go to compensate for the eye" as Adam and Lute did to Vaggie, cut out her wings, her EYE and threw her away, releasing her from service. Just as Sir Pentious enters Heaven and becomes an Angel Cobra, when he renounced his sins and redeemed, this can be seen as a reference to how the serpent created by God devoured the serpents created by the Egyptian priests. And this is added by the theory that God himself carried Pentius directly to Heaven and near Sera and Emily. 2) If we assume that Jesus existed in this universe, this can be understood by St. Peter, one of his Apostles and disciples, then Charlie continues his work, so to speak, but if Jesus worked exclusively with living people, then Charlie is trying to atone and make the Sinners in Hell believe. And in fact, she also has apostles, Vaggie herself, AngelDust, Alastor, Husk, Sir Pentious, Niffty and Cherry Bomb. Lucifer then can be considered as a Joseph and Lilith as a Virgin Mary, because I love to theorize that she after eating a fruit from the Tree of Knowledge become the bearer of the true pure power of good, which was partially passed on to her daughter. And if we take into account the fact that she is formally the granddaughter of God, if one still exists in the universe of this series, then he would not only be glad that such a glimpse appeared in Hell, but it is also possible that he himself contributed to her being born and helped the souls of the dead to be cleansed of sins. And just like Jesus in his ideas, Charlie also has enemies and opponents, Adam and the Exterminators themselves can be seen as Pharisees, who are kind of priests and servants of the Lord, but who are not clean, corrupt and who wanted to kill the righteous man, Jesus himself, seeing in him a threat to their power and influence. Sera can then be seen as Pontius Pilate, who conducts a trial and pronounces a sentence on the further fate of the righteous man. Emily can be considered as Mary Magdalene. And Heaven can be interpreted as the Roman Empire. And if we talk about who will become the new Judas Iscariot, then it will definitely be Alastor, who will betray Charlie and her ideas, but then, perhaps, either sacrifice himself or destroy himself, just as Judas himself, realizing what he did and that he was guilty, committed suicide by hanging himself on a tree. Even the way the Angels, and in particular the Lute, condemn Sinners and at the same time not noticing their own vices or thinking they are right, this is a living illustration of the wisdom of Jesus: "Judge not, lest you be judged." 3) Also, the plot and characters is relatively similar to the Book of Esther, with the plot of how a female ruler from the people who are under the rule of a powerful kingdom, saves her people from destruction and extermination. Charlie and Emily herself - Queen Esther. Sinners - Jews. Angels - Persians. Sera and Lucifer - King Ahasuerus. Lilith - Queen Vashti. Adam - Haman the Agagite. Lucifer and Vaggie - Mordecai. And just as Ahasuerus is unable to revoke the order to exterminate the Jews, so he issues a new order that the latter may be resisted, and this entails battles and celebrations. The same is true in the season finale. Sinners and Cannibals, along with Charlie, Vaggie and Lucifer, give battle to the Exorcists and win not without losses, and then celebrate. 4) And finally, the very way Charlie tries to guide Sinners to the true and righteous path, this is what many famous prophets of God did, in fact, Moses, Jonah and Elijah. And yes, Heaven can be considered as a monotheistic state, and Hell and demons as a pagan idolatrous people. As the Europeans, English, or Spaniards actually treated the native population of America, hating them largely simply for their different faith and for the color of their skin.
i do like you analysis of the show and the episodes as well as the mythology but just to state some other interesting facts the Angels have a council that similar to the one of gods if God does exist this implies that they are just bigger then the current setting there's also Hazbin hotel that's explores the lower circles of Hell and even some of the Sins in the series as well as other creatures there even some cthulu/Levithan that represents the chaos that might appear in Hazbin Hotel there also the Goetia
Sir pencious was proof people can change in hell and be redeemed and to rise up This also iludes to people I. Heaven possiblely having the ability to change for bad and can fall Same for angle dust he was a bad guy turned into a good guy he just has done bad stuff and hasn't fully redeemed himself so he hasn't risen For Adam he's a bad guy who has done good in the past became a bad person and hasn't done anything bad necessarily enough to fall from heaven until the last ep.
I'd like to point out that in the show, we don't know if there is a god, there hasn't even been a single off handed mention of god. And no, haven is not a "bad place" in the show, it's literally where all the sinners want to go, and is referred to as "the perfect after life" and a number of characters even mention how there are no hard times, or bad days in haven. Bc you've gone into all of this with a predisposition of where you stand, in this case the view that this made up story is "bad" or "demonic" some how, it shows in how you review the whole thing, and reflects in how you've seemed to interpret certain things that aren't present in the show.
I have a question... Having seen what you think of a show that diverges heavily from the Christian worldview, what is the Reformed Mythologist's take on a show like The Chosen, which has much more agreement with Scripture? (I can see that as either having a really simple or really surprising answer.)
I think the only reason Adam was in heaven is because it would look bad on the angels of the first man couldn’t even make it and I think he couldn’t. Sir pentous’s sacrifice is more of a sacrifice than Jesus’s sacrifice because pentous likely knew he would die and didn’t know he would go to heaven, even though he did where as there was no question in Jesus’s mind he would live therefore no sacrifice causvhe didn’t lose anything.
So to you the lack of achievement takes priority over the intent behind it? The idea behind Pentious was based off the intent not the result. Also you waved over the whole otherside of the plot for episode 7 as well, clearly the walk through "cannibal town" is based off the idea no matter how disgusting we humans find an action that there is redemption that can still be found. It would seem your primary argument to the show being anti-christian is what is exactly high lighted in the show, the holier than thou beliefs that in some think they have moral superiority over others. Which is what a far over exaggerated Adam is meant to represent in my opinion. Heaven was never decided to be a "bad place" in comparison to Hell. Its very clearly intended to be the worse place then heaven which is still paradise. And you even acknowledge this idea in the previous episode. So I have no idea why you begun to assume again that heaven and god are meant to be the "evil" beings.
Do you have any favorite characters sooo farrrrr? Personally my favorite are LUCIFER the dumbass adorable short king who’s just trying to be a good father but he’s just doing….”important things”,EMILLYYYY,nifty,CHARLIE has …daddy issues but she’s adorable and very optimistic and reminds me of me,Cherri husk and angel that’s about it tho Edit:also come on! You can’t say that more than anything wasn’t a beautiful song between a father and a daughter it made me cry
it's not really that possible for Adam to have done some ultimate sacrifice to become an Angel. most likely the only reason why he got to Heaven was because he was useful.
I’m not sure the lack of god is really the cause of why it is awful in heaven. This seems to be an assumption fitting your Christian narrative and worldview. My guess is that god will make an appearance later on. If it were me making the show, I’d think long and hard about how god could enter with enough oomph to be notable in the show. The awfulness could just be an outcome of the concept of diminishing marginal returns. As more and more of even a good thing is experienced, the additional joy gets less and less until it gets more and more awful. Similarly with hell. The additional awfulness of hell gets less and less until it ceases to be awful.
Great, religious nut case being recommended to me, an atheist who used this show for catharsis to help me get past some trauma from my abusive, religious parents. Just great
@@natethegreat7967 that's not a high bar to clear, never seen a single one of them be like "meh, not for me, but I realise not everyone believes what I do" like, they act like they have the right to say something shouldn't exist, because it doesn't fit what they believd
Sorry you went through that, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him a "nut case." I've had immense existential, physical, and psychological trauma from my abusive Christian parents since I was in 2nd grade elementary, but even I wouldn't go so far as to blatantly disrespect someone else's beliefs just because they don't align with my own. His opinion is just that...an opinion. And besides, unlike other *actual* nut-case religious people online, he at least took the time to actually see the entire show before giving his two cents, even if it's something I myself ultimately disagree with. I respect that he chose not to be ignorant about it.
@@andrewblissett2211 I don't have to respect a system of beliefs, respect is earned, and religion should not be above criticism, I'm just tired of this Christian nonsense popping up on my TH-cam recommendeds, and it doesn't even warn me that it's a religious person complaining about it. I have ADHD, and this is my current hyper focus, so I'm looking for other fans, and randomly this stuff pops up, I'll watch it, and by the time I realise it's from a religious angle, the algorithm has already made the assumption I like it despite giving it a thumbs down, and continues to recommend me cleverly disguised religious propaganda. Oh, and atheism is an a sense of belief, atheism is as much a belief as off is a tv channel. Ultimately, hazbin hotel is catharsis, making fun of the system of belief my dad used to justify abuse that put me in the hospital
Just say you're a fan of the show
He could never admit to that. His Christian audience would fry him at the stake.
@@Style50360 Facts 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a christian, I showed Hell is Forever and Happy Day in Hell to my dad. He said that the messaging was terrible, but the music was top-notch 🤣
He already said his opinion on the show in the previous video. It's not uncommon to enjoy some aspects of a medium but not considering yourself a fan.
@@everythinggirly916eh idk about that
Mad props to you for taking the time to view the entire season and to present it factually when constructing your argument. I've seen some other Christian TH-camrs who seem a lot more interested in shock value when discussing Hazbin than in portraying the show accurately.
I"m not a Christian, but you absolutely have my respect for your point of view.
I agree
Gotta say, you quoting Adam's "Weak, dude" was hilarious.
Well it's never confirmed if the way Sir P got redeemed is the only way to get redeemed
I hope there’s another way, because Charlie has to watch all of her friends die, after being redeemed, if it’s the only way… 🥺
Its Still Funny
Because Its Alex Brightman Basically Killing Himself Since He Is Voicing Both Adam & Sir Pentious
The presence of both Lilith and Saint Peter makes this a mixed mythology, not strictly Christian. And in Judaism, Hell is a place for the so called "purification" of souls. Charlie's worldview is more in line with Jewish mysticism than it is a Jesus allegory, so I hardly find it suprising to see that this square peg doesn't fit into the round hole.
As one on the left hand path I also find the infantilization of Lucifer annoying, however any antagonistic depiction of him would hurt the show's writing due to the character of Alastor, who very clearly fills that ambitious and devilish role. Making the light bringer a cartoon network character was the best way to solve that problem without cutting an original and more mysterious character. It's a necessary sacrifice for the writing.
“Cartoon Network character” is now my favorite way to describe this version of Lucifer haha
Personally I wouldn’t really call Lucifer infantilized. He’s short because it’s ridiculous and silly to see such a trait in a character typically depicted as an imposing lord of darkness. But beyond that, he does still actively hold his own subjects in contempt for being awful people who definitely earned their place in Hell, even being reluctant to support his own daughter in order to spare her dreams from being crushed by them (and Heaven).
Also the dude’s not above “I fucked your wife” jokes and had to be held back from utterly annihilating Adam.
And like people have pointed out, the prologue only tells the story from Lucifer and Lilith’s perspective (even leaving out Charlie’s later claim that Lucifer allowed the Exterminations and Lute’s add-on that the Exorcists are only allowed to target Sinners; the Hellspawn are to be left alone during Extermination Day). It’s still very possible for Lucifer to be at least a little bit actually evil - he _is_ still the Sin of Pride, after all - but it holds relatively little importance in _Hazbin’s_ narrative as the series is really more about the (former) humans, and whatever Alastor’s deal is, is a much more pressing matter given he’s part of the main cast.
Aside from Adam and the Exorcists, how do you get that Heaven is an awful place? I mean, I don't care for the color scheme, but it seems kinda idealized, and Adam literally says that no one has a hard day, when Charlie implores for a little empathy, asking if they've ever had a drink with friends after a hard day. So, I'm confused where your interpretation of Heaven being bad, here, comes from.
It's arguable that Pentious' sacrifice pulled Charlie out of her "good girl" reticence regarding the fight. It made her actually FIGHT.
Exactly, It's more that the Higher-Ups of Heaven are corrupt and controlling.
We Already Knew Heaven Sucked From The Cherubs Episode In Helluva Boss
@@RandomManIncorperatedFor the Heavenborn, it seems a little bureaucratic, but that's the Heavenborn. I assume Heaven is kinda like Hell, in that aspect, with rings that the Winners can't go to.
"Charlie told me to stab, so I did." -Niffty about how she killed Adam
Aka Katie killjoy (Brandon Roger’s)
It worth noting that the show itself isn't done yet, 1st season yes but not the whole show. Thus not all cards were revealed yet, we don't know yet why Higher Ups of Heaven are corrupt, we don't know why Lilith is in Heaven, we don't know why Adam wasn't yet sent to Hell and most importantly, we don't yet know what is up with God in Hazbin Hotel. You see, the show still has lots and lots of questions to uncover with more seasons thus in my humble opinion it wouldn't be greate to judge the show as a whole just yet, first season yes, but not the entire show as a whole for the reasons i've mentioned. I do respect your opinion and do understand the concern from the Religious side of people though, the show is quite controversal but i just think that giving it another chance once it throws every card it has through more seasons would be a better option
I have a question, I’m a Christian and I did actually enjoy the animation, the voice acting, and some of the jokes. I took it upon myself to not let a satire, unbiblical show affect my walk with God. I thought that watching certain shows isn’t for everyone, tolerance, and sensitivity. I just wanted to know your input on what I think because if it’s something I shouldn’t watch in the first place, I won’t watch it anymore gladly.
You really are the nicest christian who talks about this show.
Best. Review. Ever. Great job Nate!
The biggest point of Pentious' death in Hazbin story wise is to prove that the hotel works at redeeming sinners into heaven and will be used in season 2 to move the plot forward as heaven now can't use the argument that redemption is a lie
I may not agree with everything you say but I can at least respect your view on the show, rather than just straight up dump on
i love the fact that he actual uses his brain to criticize the show rather than vomiting up buzz words like "demonic" or "think of the kids"
He still says things about the Show that genuinely bash it and he also says that Sir Pentious's sacrifice amounts to little.
people have their own personal preferences and the show ( no matter how good it is) still deserves to be criticized. the reason i praised him was because the last two guys like him i saw just said the show was bad because it was demonic and was directed at children cuz it is animated and called it a day. also sir pentious sacrificing him self while importan to the overall plot had zero inpact on the final battle with adam where the plot mattered the most at the time. @@Xoracious
@@carrioncrow6249 Charlie stopped holding back after Sir Pentious's death.
For someone who didn't like the show at all, you do have a lot to say about it. That is.. after watching all 8 episodes of it.
I low-key want to see your reaction to the songs, You’re a real one for watching the whole season, and actually dropping good connections to Christianity and the show. It’s actually refreshing to see you state your points. Though at this point I have a feeling your treating this more as a theoretical research rather than a mad critique😀
Ehh i respect the fact you took the realization the series wasnt actually finished on the chin like a man, but not recognising the flaws in such a black and white system that promises eternal salvation no matter what happens after you reach it is worrying to me. Quote all the bible verses you want, that doesnt excuse your disregard for the message that people can fuc* up and still have a shot at being redeemed through correcting themselves. Whether that redemption is in the eyes of loved ones, god, or whatever entity that decides our potential afterlife YOU have a CHOICE.
We dont know why sir pentious ended up in hell, but after he got there he encountered someone (or really a group of people) who completely changed his worldview. So much so that he risked, and lost, his life. Why does personal development stop at the afterlife?
Does anyone who goes to prison not deserve the chance to change their ways and turn to the straight and narrow? You commit one sin and you're destined for hell forever? The characters in hell deserve to be there, the question hasbin presents is should they get the chance to better themselves.
THIS. THANK YOU.
If you believe in Christ, then your sins are forgiven. I'm still learning but with what I have learned so far, I have seen that most people are confused (even people who are christian) believing that being good makes you able to get a ticket for heaven is a mistake. It's through faith alone, yes good works are acknowledge and it's the right thing to do. However, we're all sinners in reality we all would deserve hell, but God offers the oppurtonity to follow him and join in heaven until the day both earth & heaven are reunited into one. Personally I see both sides of the arguement, I've watched the whole show today, I liked it yes pacing was bad, but entertaining. However there is an arguement to be made that the show is unclear on it's hierachy and it's conflicts in universe and with the audience. Me watching it made me feel conflicted as ok it seems to take certain elements but make it in way where God isn't the creator and the Angels made man? Like what is the real genesis for the story. It confuses me, ofc if they had made a God is evil story I would've left immidiatly but since they didn't it seemed ok but it also makes the story conflicting so ST Peter is a character does that mean Jesus is a character in universe? Like details like that make me want to be critical on thsoe accounts both as a christian & an audience member just watching it for fun. Maybe if they only took angels and demons as inspo but made it so eden or major events from genesis were present I would be more willing to believe it to be ok.
@@BG_SIREthat’s pretty evil ngl apparently the mere fact I don’t believe your god exists means I can’t be forgiven for my sins yet Christian’s can commit whatever sins they please and they’ll still end up in heaven regardless as long as they repent for them not just that but my punishment for not doing so is being tortured by being burning for ETERNITY how do you genuinely worship this god let alone believe him? Wouldn’t an all loving merciful and forgiving god not subject his creations to such an immoral punishment if he truly was such a being?
@@Liam1536 because by not believing in him you are separating yourself from him and cause God allows free will you are able choose between him or go to where God isn't present to protect you from damnation. Also if you truly believe in God you wouldn't commit those acts. If you do then you're not a true believer.
@@BG_SIRE free will is not a biblical not only does god constantly violate the free will of others throughout the Bible and a choice between heaven and hell is not a meaningful decision when one is an infinitely better outcome it’s like me pointing a gun to your head saying I can either shoot you in the head or you can be my best friend of course your going to choose being a friend and my other issue with this argument is since god is an all knowing being that means he knew every single action that you would do before you were even born that means your choices were fated to happen since god already predicted them happening and you cannot deviate from his predetermined path for you otherwise that would be a violation of his foreknowledge also there are plenty of Christian’s who commit
Heinous and entirely believe their religion you’re just committing a no true Scotsman fallacy by claiming anyone who doesn’t live up to your subjective expectations of what a Christian is wasn’t truly a Christian lastly even if any of this were true eternal damnation is still immoral even for the most evil people throughout history their finite existence when they committed their immoral actions is not justified with infinite torture by fire and especially people like me who simply don’t believe your god exists tell me how can you sit here typing me to and simultaneously think to yourself this person doesn’t believe in god guess they’re gonna burn in hell for all eternity and be completely fine with that? You think that’s ok? Think real hard
I wished we saw your reactions to the songs
Thank you for making these videos! They’re very insightful and thought provoking, we need more Christian creators like you taking the time to make content such as this!
I appreciate you for doing this, because one can only criticize something once they've watched it. Some people may be thinking of watching this show, so I'm glad that you were honest about your thoughts on it.
Three things that would've made this show much more palatable for christians.
1. Make the setting in the purgatory or at least at the very fringe almost separate part of hell.
2. Make Lucifer much more grey in his morality instead of simply being depressed.
3. Make the angels a lot more hesitant in exterminating. And see the extermination plainly as a duty rather than entertainment (except for Adam and Lute).
I can say. Even if this show Is not a biblically accurate, its still has a Biblical and Religious references and ideas.
1) In fact, the whole plot of the extermination is very similar to the plot of the Book of Exodus, where Pharaoh ordered the slaughter of the children of the Hebrews in order to reduce their number and avoid rebellion. A similar story is present in the New Testament with King Herod, who ordered the capture of little boys in order to find the King of Kings among them in order to get rid of him and preserve his power and throne. Sera essentially resembles Herod and Pharaoh of the Exodus, then Paradise can be considered as Egypt and Judea. And Sinners as Jews, abandoned by God for 400 years of oppression under the rule of a foreign country. Funnily enough, but in the song Hell is forever, Adam drops the phrase "An eye for an eye", which is just present in the Book of Exodus. It says, "If a man hits his male or FEMALE slave in the eye, and the eye is blinded, he must let the slave go to compensate for the eye" as Adam and Lute did to Vaggie, cut out her wings, her EYE and threw her away, releasing her from service. Just as Sir Pentious enters Heaven and becomes an Angel Cobra, when he renounced his sins and redeemed, this can be seen as a reference to how the serpent created by God devoured the serpents created by the Egyptian priests. And this is added by the theory that God himself carried Pentius directly to Heaven and near Sera and Emily.
2) If we assume that Jesus existed in this universe, this can be understood by St. Peter, one of his Apostles and disciples, then Charlie continues his work, so to speak, but if Jesus worked exclusively with living people, then Charlie is trying to atone and make the Sinners in Hell believe. And in fact, she also has apostles, Vaggie herself, AngelDust, Alastor, Husk, Sir Pentious, Niffty and Cherry Bomb. Lucifer then can be considered as a Joseph and Lilith as a Virgin Mary, because I love to theorize that she after eating a fruit from the Tree of Knowledge become the bearer of the true pure power of good, which was partially passed on to her daughter. And if we take into account the fact that she is formally the granddaughter of God, if one still exists in the universe of this series, then he would not only be glad that such a glimpse appeared in Hell, but it is also possible that he himself contributed to her being born and helped the souls of the dead to be cleansed of sins. And just like Jesus in his ideas, Charlie also has enemies and opponents, Adam and the Exterminators themselves can be seen as Pharisees, who are kind of priests and servants of the Lord, but who are not clean, corrupt and who wanted to kill the righteous man, Jesus himself, seeing in him a threat to their power and influence. Sera can then be seen as Pontius Pilate, who conducts a trial and pronounces a sentence on the further fate of the righteous man. Emily can be considered as Mary Magdalene. And Heaven can be interpreted as the Roman Empire. And if we talk about who will become the new Judas Iscariot, then it will definitely be Alastor, who will betray Charlie and her ideas, but then, perhaps, either sacrifice himself or destroy himself, just as Judas himself, realizing what he did and that he was guilty, committed suicide by hanging himself on a tree. Even the way the Angels, and in particular the Lute, condemn Sinners and at the same time not noticing their own vices or thinking they are right, this is a living illustration of the wisdom of Jesus: "Judge not, lest you be judged."
3) Also, the plot and characters is relatively similar to the Book of Esther, with the plot of how a female ruler from the people who are under the rule of a powerful kingdom, saves her people from destruction and extermination. Charlie and Emily herself - Queen Esther. Sinners - Jews. Angels - Persians. Sera and Lucifer - King Ahasuerus. Lilith - Queen Vashti. Adam - Haman the Agagite. Lucifer and Vaggie - Mordecai. And just as Ahasuerus is unable to revoke the order to exterminate the Jews, so he issues a new order that the latter may be resisted, and this entails battles and celebrations. The same is true in the season finale. Sinners and Cannibals, along with Charlie, Vaggie and Lucifer, give battle to the Exorcists and win not without losses, and then celebrate.
4) And finally, the very way Charlie tries to guide Sinners to the true and righteous path, this is what many famous prophets of God did, in fact, Moses, Jonah and Elijah. And yes, Heaven can be considered as a monotheistic state, and Hell and demons as a pagan idolatrous people. As the Europeans, English, or Spaniards actually treated the native population of America, hating them largely simply for their different faith and for the color of their skin.
It's been a while since I consumed any examples, but the soteriology you described sounds more like Norse mythology than anything else!
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I love how he treats this like a normal review
but do you like the songs though...
Lol
i do like you analysis of the show and the episodes as well as the mythology but just to state some other interesting facts the Angels have a council that similar to the one of gods if God does exist this implies that they are just bigger then the current setting there's also Hazbin hotel that's explores the lower circles of Hell and even some of the Sins in the series as well as other creatures there even some cthulu/Levithan that represents the chaos that might appear in Hazbin Hotel there also the Goetia
You never talked about any of the songs
Sir pencious was proof people can change in hell and be redeemed and to rise up
This also iludes to people I. Heaven possiblely having the ability to change for bad and can fall
Same for angle dust he was a bad guy turned into a good guy he just has done bad stuff and hasn't fully redeemed himself so he hasn't risen
For Adam he's a bad guy who has done good in the past became a bad person and hasn't done anything bad necessarily enough to fall from heaven until the last ep.
I'd like to point out that in the show, we don't know if there is a god, there hasn't even been a single off handed mention of god. And no, haven is not a "bad place" in the show, it's literally where all the sinners want to go, and is referred to as "the perfect after life" and a number of characters even mention how there are no hard times, or bad days in haven. Bc you've gone into all of this with a predisposition of where you stand, in this case the view that this made up story is "bad" or "demonic" some how, it shows in how you review the whole thing, and reflects in how you've seemed to interpret certain things that aren't present in the show.
I have a question...
Having seen what you think of a show that diverges heavily from the Christian worldview, what is the Reformed Mythologist's take on a show like The Chosen, which has much more agreement with Scripture?
(I can see that as either having a really simple or really surprising answer.)
I think the only reason Adam was in heaven is because it would look bad on the angels of the first man couldn’t even make it and I think he couldn’t. Sir pentous’s sacrifice is more of a sacrifice than Jesus’s sacrifice because pentous likely knew he would die and didn’t know he would go to heaven, even though he did where as there was no question in Jesus’s mind he would live therefore no sacrifice causvhe didn’t lose anything.
Im not chrstian but muslim but im big fan of show
So to you the lack of achievement takes priority over the intent behind it? The idea behind Pentious was based off the intent not the result. Also you waved over the whole otherside of the plot for episode 7 as well, clearly the walk through "cannibal town" is based off the idea no matter how disgusting we humans find an action that there is redemption that can still be found. It would seem your primary argument to the show being anti-christian is what is exactly high lighted in the show, the holier than thou beliefs that in some think they have moral superiority over others. Which is what a far over exaggerated Adam is meant to represent in my opinion. Heaven was never decided to be a "bad place" in comparison to Hell. Its very clearly intended to be the worse place then heaven which is still paradise. And you even acknowledge this idea in the previous episode. So I have no idea why you begun to assume again that heaven and god are meant to be the "evil" beings.
Nice breakdown.
well to be fair
even the story of jesus sacking himself wasnt original, even at thr timr
it is a adaption
Do you have any favorite characters sooo farrrrr?
Personally my favorite are LUCIFER the dumbass adorable short king who’s just trying to be a good father but he’s just doing….”important things”,EMILLYYYY,nifty,CHARLIE has …daddy issues but she’s adorable and very optimistic and reminds me of me,Cherri husk and angel that’s about it tho
Edit:also come on! You can’t say that more than anything wasn’t a beautiful song between a father and a daughter it made me cry
it's not really that possible for Adam to have done some ultimate sacrifice to become an Angel. most likely the only reason why he got to Heaven was because he was useful.
day 1 of asking you should do a video chat of the owner of hazbin hotel about why did you do made the show
Good content
It's a brainworm.
I’m not sure the lack of god is really the cause of why it is awful in heaven. This seems to be an assumption fitting your Christian narrative and worldview. My guess is that god will make an appearance later on. If it were me making the show, I’d think long and hard about how god could enter with enough oomph to be notable in the show.
The awfulness could just be an outcome of the concept of diminishing marginal returns. As more and more of even a good thing is experienced, the additional joy gets less and less until it gets more and more awful. Similarly with hell. The additional awfulness of hell gets less and less until it ceases to be awful.
Great, religious nut case being recommended to me, an atheist who used this show for catharsis to help me get past some trauma from my abusive, religious parents. Just great
honestly watchnig religious nuts getting angry to the show is kinda funny. feed on their anger.
be gay do witchcraft
Compared to other Christian responses to Hazbin, this guy is pretty reasonable.
@@natethegreat7967 that's not a high bar to clear, never seen a single one of them be like "meh, not for me, but I realise not everyone believes what I do" like, they act like they have the right to say something shouldn't exist, because it doesn't fit what they believd
Sorry you went through that, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him a "nut case." I've had immense existential, physical, and psychological trauma from my abusive Christian parents since I was in 2nd grade elementary, but even I wouldn't go so far as to blatantly disrespect someone else's beliefs just because they don't align with my own. His opinion is just that...an opinion. And besides, unlike other *actual* nut-case religious people online, he at least took the time to actually see the entire show before giving his two cents, even if it's something I myself ultimately disagree with. I respect that he chose not to be ignorant about it.
@@andrewblissett2211 I don't have to respect a system of beliefs, respect is earned, and religion should not be above criticism, I'm just tired of this Christian nonsense popping up on my TH-cam recommendeds, and it doesn't even warn me that it's a religious person complaining about it. I have ADHD, and this is my current hyper focus, so I'm looking for other fans, and randomly this stuff pops up, I'll watch it, and by the time I realise it's from a religious angle, the algorithm has already made the assumption I like it despite giving it a thumbs down, and continues to recommend me cleverly disguised religious propaganda. Oh, and atheism is an a sense of belief, atheism is as much a belief as off is a tv channel. Ultimately, hazbin hotel is catharsis, making fun of the system of belief my dad used to justify abuse that put me in the hospital