Pickguard VS Direct Mounted Pickups - You wont believe the difference!!

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  • @bramdriessens5942
    @bramdriessens5942 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think its the different pickups where hearing though. You should do the test wi5h the same exact pickups.

  • @joshuashelton9431
    @joshuashelton9431 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. For my style I prefer the pickguard but I would use both of these in the studio depending on what I was trying to achieve.

  • @bmwm3cs
    @bmwm3cs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I may be wrong, but it seems that you are "hearing" the chambering vs a more solid guitar body. A mircophone and a pickup are both transducers but one functions on air compression and the other in the disruption of a magnetic field.

  • @kerodanalduin3719
    @kerodanalduin3719 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I didn't expect the difference to be so strong. Personally, I prefer the pickguard sound for the funky samples you play in the beginning, but the more distortion you add, the more I prefer the sound of the direct mount. Maybe that is just how I am used to hearing these kinds of music: Funk = Classic Stratocaster, Metal/Prog = Superstrat type of guitar

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I wasn't expecting it either, or at least on recorded sounds. I was thinking the majority was acoustically, but am super happy with the results. Think you hit the bulls eye, the "quack" is definitely increased, which may be a reason why I dig it so much (gotta love that chicken pickin), but the direct mount has so much more focus and "meat".

  • @wongyuwei12345
    @wongyuwei12345 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good info. I didn't even realize this after almost 20 years of playing.
    I agree, it makes us more appreciate the guitar we have after understanding them from different angle.
    Each guitar is unique to a player. Thanks bro for this research. I like it. :)

  • @alanst.4417
    @alanst.4417 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great eye-opening comparison! I prefer the open and spacious sounding pickguard for cleans and light overdrive and the direct mount for extra articulated, crisp, mud-free distortion. Cheers!

  • @Trashed6
    @Trashed6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wow, the difference is huge, really interesting. I'm a metal musician so the direct mounted would be my choise for that tighter sound. The pickguard sounded amazing for clean and overdrive. The pickguard with distortion, had that Eddie Van Halen(RIP, legend) sound to it. Really cool video!

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yeah! I guess if you want the variation you better have one of each on hold for the clean vs heavy recordings!

    • @Trashed6
      @Trashed6 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KevenEknesMusic You read my mind, mate. I'm actually planning a warmoth build. 😁

  • @benjaminklipfel2155
    @benjaminklipfel2155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loving the Pickguard Mount sounds over the direct mount...

  • @donald-parker
    @donald-parker ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting but I find it hard to imagine that the difference in sound can be attributed to that one factor. It would be nice to see someone else try to replicate this. Perhaps with more control over the variables. Like exactly same PU in exactly same position and no other changes in the body, strings, picks used, etc. A test with a tele neck PU might be a good example. Most Teles come with the neck PU mounted directly on the body, but it is a pretty easy mod to drill a couple of holes in the pickguard and mount the PU suspended (and it sure makes it easier to adjust PU height). Same PU, in exactly the same position, set at exactly the same height, with the same tone, volume, switch, etc. No other changes at all except how the PU is mounted.

  • @McChuggah
    @McChuggah 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought I noticed something like this when i got my Strandberg with a pickguard, but hearing it side by side like this makes it so much more apparent. nice video dude

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah for sure!! what models are you referring to?

    • @McChuggah
      @McChuggah 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      strandberg classic 6 string:)

  • @stingylizard
    @stingylizard 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for doing all that work n effort! We were pondering this comparison,glad to find your video. Interesting,for sho'. We need the same exact pups to really figure it out,our un-sophisticated ears mostly hear the tonal difference in pickups. Nice playing skills,salute👍

  • @EXSENTRIX
    @EXSENTRIX 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent vid. I've been noticing the sound difference lately too. Wich brought me here.

  • @TheQuadLaunchers
    @TheQuadLaunchers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing video. Super easy to follow and helps me a lot with my current build!

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      excellent! please keep us posted with pictures on your build!

  • @michalmikolajmaslowski3994
    @michalmikolajmaslowski3994 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks, Keven. The timing of that video is great as I was about to decide about a direct- vs. body-mount pickup in a build that I've resumed, ha ha! Thanks, and yes, the difference is substantial; pickguard mount for me as it sounds fuller and has more body to it; have a great weekend!

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      hahaha it was meant to be! is that for your Tele build? Which one are you gonna go for, or are you doing neck pickguard and bridge direct mount?

    • @michalmikolajmaslowski3994
      @michalmikolajmaslowski3994 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KevenEknesMusic Ha ha! That is correct, I am doing a Lollar CC pickguard mount, and a direct bridge Lollar 52 mount.

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michalmikolajmaslowski3994 nice!! what's the ETA?

    • @michalmikolajmaslowski3994
      @michalmikolajmaslowski3994 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KevenEknesMusic 4-6 weeks as of today. May be sooner.

  • @keith.loves.lasagna
    @keith.loves.lasagna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonderful demonstration. However you should had ommitted the neck pickup since they're completely different

  • @michaelneufeld2649
    @michaelneufeld2649 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree that can’t truly judge as need to hear with exact pick ups.

  • @danbelladonna792
    @danbelladonna792 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I get the same effect from a Gibson V that has extra rout and a pickgaurd mount . Hollow wood type of tones .Good bluesy sounds , great sustain and controlled feedback whenever you want

  • @xanhteps648
    @xanhteps648 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You can absolutely hear the plastic. It seems to reflect some of the sound. The wood seems to absorb and coalesce. I like to add that effect the pickguard gives with reverb or covered pickups. Your guitars and playing are awesome

  • @jaypaduadesigns
    @jaypaduadesigns 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow stark difference, it sounds livelier with the pickguard. Here’s an idea, try a wooden pickguard, maybe there will be a difference in tone that could make for a good video :)

    • @jaypaduadesigns
      @jaypaduadesigns 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I subscribed by the way :)

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We are on the same page my friend! Thanks for the support. I think wooden would be super cool to do, maybe even throw aluminum in there as well..

  • @nanaandbump.
    @nanaandbump. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hmmm I'm wondering how much of that difference was due to other variables, like the different pickups, pickup positions, and the changes you made to the body with the routing. I've found with audio equipment, even if you have the exact same model of something (in this case your pickups) you will find that they sound different. Even if they are built using the exact same components, in the same factory, on the same day, by the same dude. I'll admit I haven't done much testing on this with pickups, but I would imagine that even if you bought 2 of the same pickup and could somehow devise a perfect test with no other variables being changed, there would still be a noticeable difference between the two. Anywho, there definitely was quite a difference in your comparison, I'm just not sure I would chalk that difference up solely to the mounting. Thanks for sharing regardless

  • @kermheat
    @kermheat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I think you must use the same guitar and the same pickups to heard real/true difference

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Same guitar, same model pickups. White finish sounds a lot different than black you know ;)

    • @dallasbiggz7007
      @dallasbiggz7007 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Commenter is correct - one is single pup in neck, other is hb in neck.

    • @michaelray5023
      @michaelray5023 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KevenEknesMusicSingle Coil pups tend to be a bit brighter than a Humbucker and the neck Humbucker is mounted to a guitar with more wood around it too.

  • @grilledspaghetti
    @grilledspaghetti 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a strat that I changed to direct mount, custom cut a new Pickguard without adjustment screws. Same pickups used and it was spanky and direct sounding with direct mount. I changed it back eventually because I liked that stratty tone.

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      that is interesting! Do you have any clips, audio or video from your project by any chance?

  • @russlgtr
    @russlgtr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is very interesting. if this were strats, hard tail vs floating would play into it also, but teles are direct mount (even though they have pickguards). this explains a lot. ok i guess my tele has a direct mount (i dont see screws for height adjust at least)

  • @picksalot1
    @picksalot1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting video. Which one has the longest sustain measured in seconds? I think I may try Direct Mount for the Bridge pickup on my Strat. Thanks

  • @KamilKisiel
    @KamilKisiel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow, I'm actually quite surprised at how different the two guitars sound. The one with the pickguard definitely seems a lot brighter whereas the one with has more low / mid..

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah its super interesting isn't it! The guitar sounded way different after the modification.

  • @michaelgrahamwongacutemadness
    @michaelgrahamwongacutemadness 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    a third variable which many guitars have would be on a ring which i imagine has a cross between direct-mount and pickguard tone

  • @Stage_5_Entertainment
    @Stage_5_Entertainment ปีที่แล้ว

    Its cool to hear the difference try this with an aluminium pickguard

  • @jeshely
    @jeshely 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pick guard and Swimming Pool Route for me. Yes I can hear and feel the difference. I have 1995 American Standard Strat with the much maligned SPR and I love it.

  • @canepaper967
    @canepaper967 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like there's a dilemma trying to balance looks and sound, because I do prefer the look of direct mount with a beautiful piece of wood, but direct mount will never sound like a strat. The humbucker in the bridge position was much tighter in the wood mount while the pickguard was honkier, at least to my ears. That signature honky sound really fills out the singlecoils in a strat style guitar.

  • @keithyamamoto2328
    @keithyamamoto2328 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve always believed you get a better tone from a pick guard than direct mount. I’ve played and owned many different guitars over the years I always come back to strat/ tele style with a pick guard. My current is Suhr classic antique strat. I was hoping strandberg would out out a classic HSH fusion,like Jack Gardiner has. Great vid brother.

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah.. glad you dig it! for now you can get licensed pickguards by Decoboom. You can just ask for HSH routing.

  • @marzbitenhaussen
    @marzbitenhaussen ปีที่แล้ว

    having the pickups in the pick guard makes the pickups vibrate more with any frequency or movement, I prefer a solid body mounted, for consistency, rigidity and sound, my preference

  • @stepitupandgo67
    @stepitupandgo67 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video!! I am a metal head, so I'm always looking for more sustain and darkness, so I tend to favor direct mounted pickups. But your pickguard strandberg sounded really great...it sounded more "stratty" to me..I'd have liked to hear a higher gain comparison...

  • @Armando1228
    @Armando1228 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pickguard sounds solid and just aggressive and I like that the other one in some instances especially the clean sound sounded very dull but overall it was great to see this.

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah that's what's super interesting about it. The pickguard to be sounded much fuller with the clean sound and vice versa when it came to the overdriven sound. Which one did you like the best personally?

    • @Armando1228
      @Armando1228 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KevenEknesMusic pickguard 100% one thing to me and my honest opinion the non pickguard guitar tone almost sounded like a weak set of strat pickups. Of course that's what I was hearing and then you plugged in the other guitar and it just screams reminds me of blues saraceno !!! You know thats a beast

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Armando1228 I agree, think the "hollowness" just opens up the frequency spectrum!

  • @johnstitt2615
    @johnstitt2615 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it is what you are looking for. You may want the non-pick-guard guitar if you are doubling or stacking tracks. Cleaner with less of the mid-range sauce a pick-guard guitar has. I have both. They both are good for different reasons. When is your next EP or single ?

  • @HopeinJesus10
    @HopeinJesus10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Looks to me that with the pickguard on, he is hitting the strings harder lol

  • @Jesterzero138
    @Jesterzero138 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    well, the pickguard sound more strat-ish? more spanky. which kindof makes sense. Im currently in the process of direct mounting a humbucker in the bridge on a strat, to hopefully get some more Oomph and a little less "glass".

  • @CynicWizard
    @CynicWizard 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Outjerked again

  • @wannaberabbi9302
    @wannaberabbi9302 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting! Pickguard seems to have a far more “glassy” sound. I would never have expected such a difference; makes me wonder what other small factors affect tone. On an offside, this could be a pretty dumb question, but I wonder if pickup rings would sound different than direct mounted.

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know right!! So many factors that make up for the overall presentation of an axe for sure. Man, I have actually wondered the same, I think it may be a middle man between pickguard and DM. Might be the next project 😂

    • @wannaberabbi9302
      @wannaberabbi9302 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Keven Eknes sounds interesting! I’ve always felt there was something in a strat besides the single coils that made it sound the way it does; I’ve never felt a single coil on a different guitar could do it justice. I assume the pickguard is the key, as shown by the video.

  • @larryalexander900
    @larryalexander900 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, I really wanted to know this, deserves more views. With the pickguard on, I'm assuming the pickups were mounted off of the pickguard and not just direct mounted with pickguard around them?

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Larry! yeah indeed. I am however super curious to experiment with direct mounting the bridge through the pickguard and in to the body, while having the neck/middle mounted to the pickguard traditionally with the springs.

  • @oioikanone
    @oioikanone 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What would happen if I direct mount and put a pickup on top to cover the cavities?

  • @axemanfishing2703
    @axemanfishing2703 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    WOW, you just saved me from direct mounting pickups in a couple of guitars. Thank you. It made me realize WHY even a standard stratocaster has that spanky bright open sound. With humbuckers it even expands the overtones, harmonics and mid attack, especially if you play a hybrid finger picking style while using a pick. To me, just WAY more musical sounding for the style I play and sustain does not lack at all in any way. THANK YOU for doing this, it taught me a valuable lesson. I might try the direct mounting for more heavy project, but not on my current guitars. One more guitar on my sunshine list to get. lol

  • @daveyrock6521
    @daveyrock6521 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The way a pickup is mounted is very influential to tone. Furthermore, since it’s proven that a pickguard can change guitar tone, I don’t wanna hear not a damn thing claiming wood doesn’t change tone.

  • @moonlight-reveals
    @moonlight-reveals 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's hard to beliveve that pick guard changes the tone that much IMO. I tend to belive something else contributed to it. Probably the pickups are not that similar, or height of the pickups is different or strings were in different condition.

  • @ozoneswiftak
    @ozoneswiftak ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm wondering if a wood pick guard would sound in the middle?

  • @stefanobarrilari
    @stefanobarrilari 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cool video properly showing the difference, only I think you made it kinda easy to misinterpret. The huge difference in sound is just due to the amount of wood being routed out when the pickguard was installed, and not due to the presence of the pickguard in and of itself. If you installed it without routing the guitar then the result would've been very different

  • @starlifeforce
    @starlifeforce 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is kinda semi hollow. I've always liked the plastic adding to the timbre

  • @bobdillon1138
    @bobdillon1138 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    EVH did it for a reason and he was a musical genius so who am i to argue
    and nothing wrong with being a bit OCD i find it wastes a lot of time
    but can also save you a lot of $$$$.

  • @jazzdrumguy5044
    @jazzdrumguy5044 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man, just plug into a Twin Reverb and let it rip - I hate all this technical stuff! As for sound, it sounds great both ways! Def a more Strat tone with the pickguard.

  • @thaile4417
    @thaile4417 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Clip starts at 3:05, you're welcome.

  • @alwaysevolving281
    @alwaysevolving281 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, when it comes to the "strat" tone...Pickguard mount is the way, but when it comes to humbucker/rock mode, direct mount it is.

  • @LukeMosse
    @LukeMosse 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude you're using different pickups!! ?

  • @drewsleyy3836
    @drewsleyy3836 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great playing, but the pickups are of different design and it’s unconfirmed whether the pickup height was set to be exactly the same….too many significant variables here. We’re not hearing only the pickguard change, sadly. Not a broadly useful A/B comparison for the reason, but still a cool video and nice tones - just wanted to make it ultra clear for anyone watching that this is not a true A/B of pickguard vs surface mount

  • @bryantherocker
    @bryantherocker ปีที่แล้ว

    Different pickups ?

  • @kjneese
    @kjneese ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow....stumbled onto this video (searching for wood tone vs pickguard) and can't believe the difference. And NOT what I thought it would be at all. While the distorted tones were slightly more comparable, overall I preferred the pickguard mounted pickups more. I'm blown away. Thx for this insightful and incredibly useful video (Playing is outstanding btw)!!! Cheers!

  • @bartdemuynck2410
    @bartdemuynck2410 ปีที่แล้ว

    it's a different pickup, even if it's marketed as 'voiced to sound the same' this might actually be the difference you're hearing. why not try comparing the same pickup? seems the middle pickup could be the same in both guitars, why did you not try that out instead?

  • @spokes28
    @spokes28 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As plastic (just as wood) being non magnetic should not affect the vibration of the string, I don’t understand this. I would look for any perceived difference somewhere else.

  • @richardjones2811
    @richardjones2811 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Direct mount are awful, I've got them on my
    and really want to convert to pickup rings instead so I can adjust and level them.

  • @lone-wolf-1
    @lone-wolf-1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting! But too many changes on the guitar, not just the pickguard: different bridge, diff. string retainer on the headstock, tuner on/off the headstock. Are only the covers replaced on the pickups? Don't think so... The neck was taken off for the refinish and put back on with a tiny bit different position....
    The very big difference in sound is compelling though...

  • @bluematrix5001
    @bluematrix5001 ปีที่แล้ว

    man I really do not get it at all.... I preferred WAY BETTER all the clips with the GTR in the Pickguard, sounds more open, clear and even louder with more definition, then in the solos the direct Mounting sound more open when the Pickguard sound like bell and kind of weird and then the Power chords better with the Direct Mounted??? what is going on...are you sure the recording were with the same pickup config?? something do not make sense .... anyway MASSIVE difference...overall is all went Ok..prefer the Pickguard...more Open and with more clarity, definition and even louder

  • @jonathanpoblano3999
    @jonathanpoblano3999 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    yeah, big difference, a tone like Steve Vai guitars

  • @ehle8805
    @ehle8805 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude those are different pickups

  • @tjforgey7854
    @tjforgey7854 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Too many variables,to make a good camparison.Even with that said ,I do believe direct mounted would resonate better than to a pickguard,why would it?

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      it resonates differently, and gives a "sharper" attack with less woody/hollowness to the character!

  • @peterjohnson4932
    @peterjohnson4932 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How can you be sure the changes you're hearing are going from direct to pickguard mount. Answer is - you can't. Your test in invalid. You've changed too many things at once. In addition to pickguard mounting you've routed a significant portion of the body and are using different pickups.

  • @RockSiffredi
    @RockSiffredi ปีที่แล้ว

    Two completely different guitars, the one without pickguard even has a humbucker neck, what's the point of this comparison?

  • @comment_below
    @comment_below ปีที่แล้ว

    the blade/pickup placement makes a big difference -and the size will effect it too ... not really a great comparison here -u have too many variables .... and its not splitting hairs -js

  • @danielbarbieri8199
    @danielbarbieri8199 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stupid test
    You changed the pickups

  • @vevzR6s
    @vevzR6s 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    wtf is that bridge

  • @draleigh8881
    @draleigh8881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so you bought a strandberg and routed the crap out of it..... blasphemy!

    • @KevenEknesMusic
      @KevenEknesMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No blasphemy here. This was kindly done by the amazing folks at Strandberg.

    • @draleigh8881
      @draleigh8881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KevenEknesMusic so the gods of strandberg blessed you with this routing? okay i approve. youve been sainted by the strandberg gods!! go forth and do the most holy of sick riffage my friend!

  • @bryantherocker
    @bryantherocker ปีที่แล้ว

    Fail comparison. A humbucker size pickup sounds different from single coil size humbucker pickup even if they are voiced the same --- 1/10

  • @johndavid3114
    @johndavid3114 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have to do it on the same guitar.

  • @riokinsey2134
    @riokinsey2134 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You're right, I WONT believe it. Its been thoroughly scientifically debunked in the last few months, with direct A/B ing. Very, VERY few things truly matter the construction of ELECTRIC guitars played THROUGH AN AMP. Acoustically? There are TONS of factors. But when you run it through an electric current, you can name the factors distinguishing one kind of guitar...hell...a " good" or " bad" guitar even, apart. You seem like a nice dude, and I'm not trashing you nor calling you a liar. But I can give you links to the material I'm referencing if you like. We ALL were lied to, man. Lol. There are OTHER factors at play here, man. The resonance from the body is NOT received through the pickups. And if it WERE, it would be a detriment.

    • @LukeMosse
      @LukeMosse 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where is the AB test where they change the mount of the pickup?

  • @RobertMurphy-wm3ge
    @RobertMurphy-wm3ge 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These are two completely different guitars at this point.