That was a very poor report on an issue that may be the result of a number of or combination of factors. One factor was chosen as the explanation - institutionalized racism - and not even one example was given of how that is manifested in the health care protocol followed in this context.
I am a GP. Thank you Channel 4 for highlighting this deplorable state of affairs but please focus on the United Kingdom 🇬🇧. The situation is no different here in the UK.
Do you think its maybe because they have the highest levels of obesity and drug abuse? Also can you name me A single place in the world where they aren't an absolute disaster as A community and A complete drain on everyone around them ?
@@cdean2789we have a larger country and more black mothers who deal more with male doctors who have a an already personal bias towards us because of the color of our skin I’m not denying it happens over there but the US has a higher mortality among black woman because of slavery that continued long after the UK abolished it we are still dealing with the effects 400-500 years later so no it’s not worse than it is here
How is the life choice anything to do with the medical bias black people face. Clearly the olympians were healthy women. People like you try to dismiss racism so much and pretend it doesn’t exist, probably because you are one
@@Andrea-ld9cyand how is the pregnant womens fault that they die, somethings telling me you aren’t mixed but are trying to co sign as a person of colour to agree with the statement above
@@HA-jq1mu lol, some thing tells you I'm not biracial, don't tell my black father that,! Something is telling me your saying that coz I'm from a white woman.
@@davidz3879 Did you miss the part where two other team mates out of the four of her Olympic relay team almost died from childbirth? women at the peak of physical health and condition. And they also said studies show black women die in child birth more regardless of income level or if they have full health cover, when those things have a protective effect for pregnant white women.
This isn't about medical bias or discrimination. This is about lifestyle choices and lack of awareness. This obsession with making everything about race is deeply antisocial and damaging. This is just 'the racism of the gaps', utter nonsense!
Do you have any evidence to support your claim or is this just your baseless feeling? If so what lifestyle choices do you speak off? Studies on this topic control for external factors. The reason black women are more likely to die is because of medical bias, discrimination and racism this is very well documented and your feelings don’t change that fact. So please show some evidence to suggest that black women are dying because of lifestyle choices….
@@second2none914There's no evidence to support the claims made in this report. I'm using good old common sense, I have no need to provide you with anything but my comments.
@@URBeingLiedTo 'Good old common sense' told the people in the southern states of the USA that black people were a different species and couldn't grasp complicated concepts like freedom or democracy.
Do you know how many places in the US are OBGYN DESERTS meaning that most places black women live have only one doctor or they have to go to a different state for maternity care and have to pay out of pocket because their insurance only applies in the state they live. People love to blame black women for everything that happens in our communities but if proper treatment and education is not available to black women how do you expect any change instead of saying she’s probably an alcoholic or a drug addict maybe the same care that’s given to white women should be given to black women and other women of color the fact that anyone else who is not a person of color is blaming us for the lack of care and respect that we receive on a daily basis is messed up. To think all this doesn’t go back to slavery or racism is absolutely wrong. Do you know that it’s still taught in most medical textbooks that black people don’t feel pain like other races. We were medical tests subjects and guinea pigs up until till about the 60s and the 70s.But to say all the things we experienced in this country is a fault of our own or is a fault of our own lack of understanding and not this society in which we live in being messed up is atrocious behavior.
Why is this documentary not focused on the UK? We have the same issue? It’s so disappointing. I clicked based on the title to find that the subject is not on the UK.
This is very confused journalism. You need to be clear on whether you're talking about actual numbers or proportion of the population. You need to be clear about poverty, paying for healthcare, social class and education, before jumping to race as an explanation. Seriously C4. You're not American journalists. Your audience isn't exclusively American. So why is this nonsense acceptable?
@@TommyMclean-fv5cy If they have the statistics to prove this, then why can't we all see them? This is a national broadcaster. If they don't have the right statistics, they could commission a proper study instead of just googling stuff. Lot's of women "don't feel heard" during maternity care. There's so much that they could have researched on this topic. I don't know much about how Americans do childbirth. I might even have been interested in a properly researched article on the subject.
I would like to know if there has been any attempt to normalize to health status at the time of giving birth, particularly surrounding known risk factors like weight, blood pressure, diabetes etc etc. I don’t think these are equally distributed in the USA.
I was going to ask the same thing. It could be that black woman or people of different ethnicity including myself are more prone to issue within or during pregnancy down to health factors and genetics 🤔 It might be more complex then just calling it racism. I read this book once, it was about cultural health issues, disease and how genetics play a massive part in what health issues different cultures are prone to and why. With outside factors such as food and hormones… stress exc. It also spoke about hormonal issues in women and how higher levels of certain hormone such as testosterone in woman can affect things like fertility and pregnancy. I also read that black woman and woman of different ethnicities are more likely to have hormone imbalance problems and health issues like high blood pressure and glucose tolerance problems which affect pregnancy and recovery 🤔 add that to a lack of stuff, nurses and doctors, our NHS in the UK is exhausted 💭 I believe it’s more complicated then racism . This issue needs to be looked at from a different perspective in my opinion. 💭
Channel 4 with all due respect why are you lot always focused on American issues. Is channel 4 not a British channel always implicily focused on so called ''race issues'' knowing very well you inviting typical ''racist trolls'' who spew there nonsense online
Lol their a news channel. That is like complaining that they are covering a heat wave in china or war in Ukraine. It’s their job to cover the news. Furthermore According to a 2020 white paper by the British government black women in the Uk are 4 times more likes to die in child birth than white women. This is true even when controlled for wealth and lifestyle factors. The reason for this discrepancy is because of discrimination in the medical field. If you are okay with black women being more likely to die because they are black then you are a racist no different from a nazi or Klansmen.
They’re trying to appeal to the guardian reading wokerati or student union politics type. They are obsessed with “murr racism”. Ch 4 just wants to be hip and edgy. This is down to genetics and obesity
Thank goodness we had a black OBGYN and pediatrician. Other staff was a mix of races and all treated us with the upmost respect. Numbers don’t lie, we must figure out what the heck is going on.
He ? This item of the video with all due respect doesnt make sense. Why say ''black women'' when the item is about Afro-American women from the USA 🇺🇸 how do so called ''black women'' from let say Kenia, Colombia or Jamaica or Nigeria be related to this ? I think its better to change the title .
UK channel, and the 2nd part talks about UK citizens. Here we use Black British not African American. It really should just concentrate on UK mothers and our statistics and causes, since our healthcare is free and shouldn't even bring in USA statistics. It's very odd that it does so on a UK channel tbh.
We have done that and it turns out they are responsible for it themselves due to having the highest levels of obesity and drug abuse as well as multiple other poor lifestyle choices
@@TommyMclean-fv5cyand there goes the racism that we are talking about do you know how many people self medicate or self diagnose because of racist medical practices and the ability to pay so do you think after slavery racism just disappeared you’re naïve if that’s what you believe because no, it’s not all our faults we live in the lowest quality places they provide us with the lowest quality goods they provide us with the lowest quality education so at the end of the day racism is the problem, not us
Because the reasons why are caused by their own lifestyles and choices and we can never hold these people accountable for their own behavior that would be "racist"
Is that the excuse for the athlete? It can't be health professionals, blame the patient. Your comment is ridiculous, even with health conditions, surely health care should address this before letting someone die.
Did you watch it? an Olympic medalist died at the peak of physical fitness and health and two other team mates also nearly died in child birth. Genetics doesn't make someone more likely to die in childbirth, medical negligence and systemic racism does.
@@TheAArmstrong EVIDENCE! where is your evidence that says if you are a black and asian woman your genes will cause you to de at childbirth? Arent you the clown who believes that the jews run the UK?
Yep everywhere in the world that has this community living in their country they are the most criminal substance abusing, poorest underclass of people. Its almost as if its just them and not everyone else ? 🤔
Muhammad ﷺ in Muhammad Qasim Dreams 👉2014- "Oh Qasim, I was waiting for you so come here." - "My son, look, this was the building of my Islam, the leaders inside were not doing me and my Islam any justice, and these people formed groups and many of them became the slaves of the Disbelievers, since then the leaders of this building were not working sincerely, they also didn't care about the poor and they also didn't give any justice.” "Even the effects of this had reached the levels below them and all the people followed the footsteps of their leaders or where forced to follow the footsteps of their leaders, and there were turmoils and injustice everywhere and because of this," "My Islam has been humiliated in every part of the world. Indeed, I want you to become the leader of my Ummah because you treat me with sincerity and you did your works with just and without asking anybody for help except Allah ﷻ and you will give wealth to those in need," "And spread justice, and its effects will reach all the common people and everyone will become happy and peace will spread everywhere and the whole world will see that this is the real Islam." Search more about Muhammad Qasim Bin Abdulkarim's Dreams
I've never seen so many beautiful women in one news segment. It's awful that it's not about a celebration and instead is about injustice - this is racism impacting heath outcomes. I've personally as a UK felt that my mother's complaints of health (which are in hindsight vitamin and mineral related - leading to a sister with spino bifida), led directly to assuming I was a hypochondriac ("like my mother" - which she wasn't at all), that negatively affected my ability to deal with IBS throughout my life. Of which I've ended up curing myself anyway. Much like every other public sector job - I think we need more strict vetting and psychological evaluations to filter people out of these professions. Or a right to record EVERY interaction and keep a copy at both ends.
They are all either obese or have yellow eyes lol Do you maybe think its because they have the highest rates of obesity in the country and the highest rate of substance abuse
Black marriage 80% down to 27% since *The Welfare* Act in 1965. Black women are 80% overweight, 80% fatherless, most in-debt, least married, riddled w/STDs. *The Welfare Act* Democrats burned down Black Wall Street💥1921. 38% of Black pregnancies are aborted, over 50% in NYC from THE NEGRO PROJECT. For 50 years the Black family has been regressing. What do you think?
@@TommyMclean-fv5cy They are british and have every right to highlight the injustice they suffer just like you claiming the UK is anti-white and run by jews
That was a very poor report on an issue that may be the result of a number of or combination of factors. One factor was chosen as the explanation - institutionalized racism - and not even one example was given of how that is manifested in the health care protocol followed in this context.
Channel 4. News you covered this 2 years ago, and the bbc covered this 3 years ago. Don't you think someone has proven this one way or another by now?
They did but they didn't like the answers they got so they just continued trying to pretend that it was "racism"
Scientists: genetic factors play a part in this issue.
CH4: So what you’re saying is Racism??
@@TommyMclean-fv5cy Its never racism, according to you racism does not even exist lol
@@eleri7024 Racism exists. There’s this minority group that blames YT for all their ills in life. Seems pretty racist 🤷♂️
I am a GP. Thank you Channel 4 for highlighting this deplorable state of affairs but please focus on the United Kingdom 🇬🇧. The situation is no different here in the UK.
It's worse here.
Do you think its maybe because they have the highest levels of obesity and drug abuse?
Also can you name me A single place in the world where they aren't an absolute disaster as A community and A complete drain on everyone around them ?
@@cdean2789 no it's not, stop jumping on the bandwagon
@@cdean2789we have a larger country and more black mothers who deal more with male doctors who have a an already personal bias towards us because of the color of our skin I’m not denying it happens over there but the US has a higher mortality among black woman because of slavery that continued long after the UK abolished it we are still dealing with the effects 400-500 years later so no it’s not worse than it is here
The man said in the UK black woman are up to FOUR TIMES more likely to die from maternity issues than white women
Its always racism at what point does anyone have to take accountability for lifestyle choices?
The woman that passed away was an athlete.
Nope as a biracial female I feel some do not take accountability for their own health. It's always someone else's fault.
How is the life choice anything to do with the medical bias black people face. Clearly the olympians were healthy women. People like you try to dismiss racism so much and pretend it doesn’t exist, probably because you are one
@@Andrea-ld9cyand how is the pregnant womens fault that they die, somethings telling me you aren’t mixed but are trying to co sign as a person of colour to agree with the statement above
@@HA-jq1mu lol, some thing tells you I'm not biracial, don't tell my black father that,! Something is telling me your saying that coz I'm from a white woman.
It's because they're more likely to have other conditions & risk factors, including obesity.
Tori Bowie is literally an Olympic athlete. . .
@@art837arm There are always rare cases that don't have apparent risk factors.
@@davidz3879 Did you miss the part where two other team mates out of the four of her Olympic relay team almost died from childbirth? women at the peak of physical health and condition. And they also said studies show black women die in child birth more regardless of income level or if they have full health cover, when those things have a protective effect for pregnant white women.
@@greenknitter Because Ch4 wouldn’t jump at the chance to use some random coincidence to promote their BS ghost hunt.
In America BW abort 38% of their pregnancies, over half in NYC.
They are riddled with STDs and 80% are overweight.
This isn't about medical bias or discrimination. This is about lifestyle choices and lack of awareness.
This obsession with making everything about race is deeply antisocial and damaging.
This is just 'the racism of the gaps', utter nonsense!
Do you have any evidence to support your claim or is this just your baseless feeling?
If so what lifestyle choices do you speak off?
Studies on this topic control for external factors. The reason black women are more likely to die is because of medical bias, discrimination and racism this is very well documented and your feelings don’t change that fact.
So please show some evidence to suggest that black women are dying because of lifestyle choices….
@@second2none914There's no evidence to support the claims made in this report.
I'm using good old common sense, I have no need to provide you with anything but my comments.
@@URBeingLiedTo 'Good old common sense' told the people in the southern states of the USA that black people were a different species and couldn't grasp complicated concepts like freedom or democracy.
@@URBeingLiedToso you’re making things up like a fool. That’s okay but I hope you know your racist opinions are worthless.
@@Hartley_Hare No, that's just nonsense.
Do you know how many places in the US are OBGYN DESERTS meaning that most places black women live have only one doctor or they have to go to a different state for maternity care and have to pay out of pocket because their insurance only applies in the state they live. People love to blame black women for everything that happens in our communities but if proper treatment and education is not available to black women how do you expect any change instead of saying she’s probably an alcoholic or a drug addict maybe the same care that’s given to white women should be given to black women and other women of color the fact that anyone else who is not a person of color is blaming us for the lack of care and respect that we receive on a daily basis is messed up. To think all this doesn’t go back to slavery or racism is absolutely wrong. Do you know that it’s still taught in most medical textbooks that black people don’t feel pain like other races. We were medical tests subjects and guinea pigs up until till about the 60s and the 70s.But to say all the things we experienced in this country is a fault of our own or is a fault of our own lack of understanding and not this society in which we live in being messed up is atrocious behavior.
Why is this documentary not focused on the UK? We have the same issue? It’s so disappointing. I clicked based on the title to find that the subject is not on the UK.
I had no idea about this issue
This is very confused journalism. You need to be clear on whether you're talking about actual numbers or proportion of the population. You need to be clear about poverty, paying for healthcare, social class and education, before jumping to race as an explanation. Seriously C4. You're not American journalists. Your audience isn't exclusively American. So why is this nonsense acceptable?
Because they are not journalists and there is nothing that these people wont use as propaganda to push black "victimhood"
@@TommyMclean-fv5cy If they have the statistics to prove this, then why can't we all see them? This is a national broadcaster. If they don't have the right statistics, they could commission a proper study instead of just googling stuff. Lot's of women "don't feel heard" during maternity care. There's so much that they could have researched on this topic. I don't know much about how Americans do childbirth. I might even have been interested in a properly researched article on the subject.
We don't care.... We are sick to death of hearing about em.
Aww, diddums, Jimbo. Did the report on black people upset your feelings, sweetie? Der, der. Mummy will be along soon to kiss it better.😭
@@titteryenot4524a moaning black person playing the race card…..now there’s a novelty 😂
@@Bungle-UK or a moaning hwhite person plating the race casino...that is a reality 😂
@@Bungle-UK A moaning white person moaning about a moaning black person playing the race card. Now there’s a novelty. 🤣
You are a racist. Stay angry.
I would like to know if there has been any attempt to normalize to health status at the time of giving birth, particularly surrounding known risk factors like weight, blood pressure, diabetes etc etc. I don’t think these are equally distributed in the USA.
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I was going to ask the same thing. It could be that black woman or people of different ethnicity including myself are more prone to issue within or during pregnancy down to health factors and genetics 🤔 It might be more complex then just calling it racism.
I read this book once, it was about cultural health issues, disease and how genetics play a massive part in what health issues different cultures are prone to and why. With outside factors such as food and hormones… stress exc. It also spoke about hormonal issues in women and how higher levels of certain hormone such as testosterone in woman can affect things like fertility and pregnancy. I also read that black woman and woman of different ethnicities are more likely to have hormone imbalance problems and health issues like high blood pressure and glucose tolerance problems which affect pregnancy and recovery 🤔 add that to a lack of stuff, nurses and doctors, our NHS in the UK is exhausted 💭 I believe it’s more complicated then racism . This issue needs to be looked at from a different perspective in my opinion. 💭
Why America? No news in the UK?
Bell ribeiro-addy thinks everything is racist so no surprise what conclusion she’s come to here 🙄
Channel 4 with all due respect why are you lot always focused on American issues. Is channel 4 not a British channel always implicily focused on so called ''race issues'' knowing very well you inviting typical ''racist trolls'' who spew there nonsense online
Lol their a news channel. That is like complaining that they are covering a heat wave in china or war in Ukraine. It’s their job to cover the news.
Furthermore According to a 2020 white paper by the British government black women in the Uk are 4 times more likes to die in child birth than white women.
This is true even when controlled for wealth and lifestyle factors. The reason for this discrepancy is because of discrimination in the medical field.
If you are okay with black women being more likely to die because they are black then you are a racist no different from a nazi or Klansmen.
Because they buy the news on the cheap from overseas, and don't need to pay for dubbing
They’re trying to appeal to the guardian reading wokerati or student union politics type. They are obsessed with “murr racism”. Ch 4 just wants to be hip and edgy. This is down to genetics and obesity
Because playing the victim is such a virtue in your country . That news media plays the victim in other countries .
They pointed out that the situation is worse in the UK.
Thank goodness we had a black OBGYN and pediatrician. Other staff was a mix of races and all treated us with the upmost respect. Numbers don’t lie, we must figure out what the heck is going on.
Numbers dont lie you should checkout the average IQ of this community lol
@@TommyMclean-fv5cy I think you are the one who needs the IQ test 😂😂
😂
He ? This item of the video with all due respect doesnt make sense. Why say ''black women'' when the item is about Afro-American women from the USA 🇺🇸 how do so called ''black women'' from let say Kenia, Colombia or Jamaica or Nigeria be related to this ? I think its better to change the title .
UK channel, and the 2nd part talks about UK citizens. Here we use Black British not African American. It really should just concentrate on UK mothers and our statistics and causes, since our healthcare is free and shouldn't even bring in USA statistics. It's very odd that it does so on a UK channel tbh.
There need to be a thorough and intense investigation of this matter with immediate accountability for all those involved.
We have done that and it turns out they are responsible for it themselves due to having the highest levels of obesity and drug abuse as well as multiple other poor lifestyle choices
Don't forget BW abort 38% of their own Black babies and are riddled with STDs. Not enough healthy Black wombs.
@@TommyMclean-fv5cyand there goes the racism that we are talking about do you know how many people self medicate or self diagnose because of racist medical practices and the ability to pay so do you think after slavery racism just disappeared you’re naïve if that’s what you believe because no, it’s not all our faults we live in the lowest quality places they provide us with the lowest quality goods they provide us with the lowest quality education so at the end of the day racism is the problem, not us
But they don't say the reason why?
Because the reasons why are caused by their own lifestyles and choices and we can never hold these people accountable for their own behavior that would be "racist"
@@TommyMclean-fv5cy I was thinking 🤔 the same, they do this with everything
@@misteripupa7963 I remember you from the other post you said that the jews were making the UK become anti-white
@@eleri7024 Well people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Yer I’m talking about you with your “yt be killing our babies” shpeel
@@TheAArmstrong white men are killing black women in hospitals,
Obesity
Bad lifestyle choices. Maybe even some specific medical factors?
Is that the excuse for the athlete? It can't be health professionals, blame the patient. Your comment is ridiculous, even with health conditions, surely health care should address this before letting someone die.
@@amiam8116these guys are just proud racists. No point in arguing with a bigot.
Black men always abuse their wives, so they end up in very poor shape.
@@second2none914
Please don’t call me names
It’s offensive
Yes, obviously it's institutional racism, and nothing to do with any systemic issues with education, and social welfare, etc
It’s down to their genetics and predisposition to obesity. Nothing to do with racism 😂
Did you watch it? an Olympic medalist died at the peak of physical fitness and health and two other team mates also nearly died in child birth. Genetics doesn't make someone more likely to die in childbirth, medical negligence and systemic racism does.
@@greenknitter Why could genetic issues not cause these problems?? How exactly is “murr racism” the culprit?? Just vague accusations in all honesty.
@@TheAArmstrongGenetics does not make you die in childbirth. Educate yourself before you spurr this nonsense.
@@khadyadjisall5708Well obviously genetic issues can cause things like a higher fatality rate.
@@TheAArmstrong EVIDENCE! where is your evidence that says if you are a black and asian woman your genes will cause you to de at childbirth? Arent you the clown who believes that the jews run the UK?
Yes & it's similar in the UK & other countries.
Yep everywhere in the world that has this community living in their country they are the most criminal substance abusing, poorest underclass of people.
Its almost as if its just them and not everyone else ? 🤔
She was so beautiful
NO.
Muhammad ﷺ in Muhammad Qasim Dreams
👉2014- "Oh Qasim, I was waiting for you so come here."
- "My son, look, this was the building of my Islam, the leaders inside were not doing me and my Islam any justice, and these people formed groups and many of them became the slaves of the Disbelievers, since then the leaders of this building were not working sincerely, they also didn't care about the poor and they also didn't give any justice.”
"Even the effects of this had reached the levels below them and all the people followed the footsteps of their leaders or where forced to follow the footsteps of their leaders, and there were turmoils and injustice everywhere and because of this,"
"My Islam has been humiliated in every part of the world. Indeed, I want you to become the leader of my Ummah because you treat me with sincerity and you did your works with just and without asking anybody for help except Allah ﷻ and you will give wealth to those in need,"
"And spread justice, and its effects will reach all the common people and everyone will become happy and peace will spread everywhere and the whole world will see that this is the real Islam."
Search more about Muhammad Qasim Bin Abdulkarim's Dreams
I'm sure obesity has a huge affect too
These women who died are athletes
Shocking
I know black people are very overweight and unhealthy
Quick answer: because they make more babies.
Well thats clearly not true, most of these women dying are from their first births🤦🏾
@@HA-jq1mu Then, because Black women make babies and likely because Black make babies too young.
Because their not European?
I've never seen so many beautiful women in one news segment. It's awful that it's not about a celebration and instead is about injustice - this is racism impacting heath outcomes.
I've personally as a UK felt that my mother's complaints of health (which are in hindsight vitamin and mineral related - leading to a sister with spino bifida), led directly to assuming I was a hypochondriac ("like my mother" - which she wasn't at all), that negatively affected my ability to deal with IBS throughout my life. Of which I've ended up curing myself anyway.
Much like every other public sector job - I think we need more strict vetting and psychological evaluations to filter people out of these professions. Or a right to record EVERY interaction and keep a copy at both ends.
They are all either obese or have yellow eyes lol
Do you maybe think its because they have the highest rates of obesity in the country and the highest rate of substance abuse
Black marriage 80% down to 27% since *The Welfare* Act in 1965.
Black women are
80% overweight, 80% fatherless, most in-debt, least married, riddled w/STDs. *The Welfare Act*
Democrats burned down Black Wall Street💥1921.
38% of Black pregnancies are aborted, over 50% in NYC from THE NEGRO PROJECT.
For 50 years the Black family has been regressing. What do you think?
@@Exodus26.13Pi products of their environment
Worse in the UK
I know you are so opressed in the UK you guys should really return to your own homelands and be free
@@TommyMclean-fv5cy They are british and have every right to highlight the injustice they suffer just like you claiming the UK is anti-white and run by jews
@@TommyMclean-fv5cycry white ppl are wiping out
Because their vulva is no good?
You can't generalise....
should i cry a river? ‘its about pregnant black women not being HEARD OR SEEN’ lol like wtf kind of bullshit statement is that
Clearly a very kind and tolerant individual - who doesn’t care about pregnant women
Answer is: if you choose to not close your legs and have 14 children then yes... yes you are.