Over 7 hours of live reporting condensed into a 53 minute video. It's a long one but I wanted to try to recreate the feeling of watching it live because tbh, you just had to be there. STREAMING EVERY DAY AT 10AM PST: twitch.tv/btmc
Wooting ended up understanding the issue with DKS being used this way. Their products are always riding such a fine line between allowed and not allowed, I hope osu! never has to ban their hardware
they can't ban wooting otherwise all the pp records of the last 3 years will just be invalid and the last valid pp record will just be like sunglow 3mod again
This has the EXACT same energy as the SpaceUK cheater report in Geometry Dash (ranked up fast to top 10 out of nowhere and stayed there unnoticed for very long time before someone finally caught him)
I can't fucking take it. I see an image of a random score posted and then I see it, I fucking see it. "Oh that looks kinda like the cloutiful 63 situation" it started as. That's funny, that's a cool reference. But I kept going, I'd see a game with ping that showed 63ms, I'd see that I'm on the 6/3 page on my school homework, my last notice to pay my electricity bill is 630.00$ , I'd notice that it's been 63 days since the last time I touched a woman. And every time I'd burst into an insane, breath deprived laugh staring at the image as the number 63 ran through my head. I'm scared to look at the time when someone asks me what time is it. It's torment, psychological torture, I am being conditioned to laugh maniacally any time I see an 2-digit number which is anywhere close to 63. I can't fucking live like this... I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't! And don't get me fucking started on the words! I'll never hear the phrase "when you see it" again without thinking of 63. Someone does pretty cool and respectable score and I can't say anything other than "WYSI." I could watch a man Fc hard underweighted map I love and all I would be able to say is "WYSI" and laugh like a fucking insane person. And the phrase "when you see it" is ruined. I can't live anymore. 63 has destroyed my fucking life. I want to eject myself from this plane of existence
I think every top100 osu player should do a liveplay in which they are completely naked no table no chair no tablet just sitting on the floor playing with a brand new laptop which they have to unpack during the liveplay as well
Some of them are either on their way to become a data analyst Or already ARE data analysts lol Most osu!players I've come across are legit geniuses. *ACTUAL* geniuses
Its very likely they are in school for that, they are contractors, or they work for companies already. Having these skills isnt something you just get outta nowhere.
to give context as to why the DKS isnt allowed when used this way. osu has a one movement one inout rule, you cannot have multiple inputs trigger with only one movement. The *deactivation* of a key is considered an input, so when you tap a key, you have two movements: down, and then up, that match two inputs: activating, and deactivating. in this case, cloutiful's upstroke is Triggering the activation of the key, *but* through DKS, it's also deactivating the key through essentially a macro, which is why its not allowed.
ok i get that but like you can get (almost) the same result by just having a key invert states (with the only difference that it will hold for as long you dont tap but like that changes nothing). if you only invert the state of your key, it's one movement (down stroke) to one input (deactivation). am i dumb?
@@akasakasvault7597 yes, I had the same thought! and I believe thats technically allowed under osu's rules. It's significantly worse though and I feel would be more like a gimmick. it would makes any sliders practically unplayable and overall itd be much harder than this
by that logic, double tapping would also be against the rules - it's one movement providing two inputs, the only difference is that it's one activation and one deactivation instead of two activations
@@mystith incorrect. with double tapping, you have two fingers each doing two movements, both going down to activate the key, and then both going up to release the key. with this method, you still have the same movement and same amount of inputs, but cloutiful has essentially "unbided" his downstroke, so it does nothing and cannot be counted as one of the movements. that's the difference, because now the activation and deactivation are happening with the same upwards movement, which fundementally breaks the one movement one input rule.
so it's bannable because the rule is "one press = one click" while wooting's macro allows for "one press = two clicks" ? I mean that sounds kinda dumb but I get it. You can effectively double your streams without extra effort, if the baseline is 222bpm, that means you can get up to 444bpm. Unrelated note, but is extra keybind also illegal? like what if you change other keys to z and x for more buttons? hell, what if you go full ADOFAI?
And then mrekk comes to fool around and starts setting some stupid speed scores with the DKS offline bro, thats how easy it was to get cheated plays with just a single keyboard like you don't even need a cheating software anymore. "If you enter the Top 100 or 50 it should be a must to liveplay" gnahus: 😴
@@cyberr7no harm in asking for a liveplay though?, because he practically gave a liveplay that was halfway into a map so i dont know how people would trust him
It did remind me of this but they are still completely different with the whole I press the key that activates when unpressing with a set time it deactivates. Vs raw input on the NES controller with each individual finger moving left or right fast. Needing Specialized hardware to do it vs. Everyone can do rolling on original/expexted hardware you own
51:50 Not to say this is why they tweeted that, but if it turns out that it isn't bannable, it would mean basically anyone who wants to play speed would want a Wooting keyboard, which may also boost sales of the keyboards. It's a good move for Wooting, although it would mean that people will have to wait even long to get their hands on their keyboards unless Wooting expands (they've already said that it can take time and they can end up back logged since all the keyboards are put together by hand.)
they most likely tweeted that because of what you're saying, and also because the tweet was made by the CEO of wooting, who reportedly knows nothing about the game. i also really hope this never becomes allowed because its a clear disadvantage, not something accessible to any player. (which to be fair, rapid trigger is also an unfair disadvantage, but to a much lesser extent than full on macros.)
@@chocomitonycouldn’t they add settings in game which replicate the keyboard? Or am i being dumb in thinking this? I’ve heard people say that it shouldn’t be limited to 2 keys so that people can use more for speed as well.
@@PartyCrasher04 I don't think that's possible, its a keyboard function, something that can be done because of its switches and all of that stuff I don't know much about. I think it would ruin the game if it became allowed, its a rhythm game at the end of the day and people just mashing their way through speed maps is essentially everything i think is wrong with osu.
Absolute Cinema, I don't play osu nor do i have any interest but this video appeared my recommendations and holy fuck the emotions going on, multiple things happening at time. crazy to watch this.
we already know what the wooting is capable of in gaming in general so like you can't blame the company that made it instead to the person that abuses it. and the fact you have someone that is in top 10 literally, abuses them and went under the radar up until recently. also what a ride this video was, wtf. Cinema
i just noticed that on 25:35, 2 of 3 cams are blurred, is that on purpose because its so small and you cant really see anything? (screenshare top left)
48:22 Its clear to me. "Macro-enabled full-combo sequences". The way its written it means only macros that do full-combo sequences. In simple terns a replay macro. So a macro that only modifies the behavior of key is not supposed to be considered cheating. 50:23 Totally different from what he was doing. He is using a config/macro that only modifies the behavior of the key being pressed, not another. 51:00 They are totally right and are doing the right thing by getting involved. This behavior could easily be replicated on a hardware level with a few transistors.
Rapid trigger can't be considered a macro bc rapid trigger gives inputs based on the movements your finger is actually doing on the switch, whereas DKS provides a robotic alternation from pressing two keys at once that your fingers aren't actually doing
Not through the video yet (about 20 mins in), but this reminds me of a geometry dash controversy where under very specific circumstances some players, seemingly randomly, would specifically have robot like same time reflexes/clicks. As far as I know the true reason behind this is known not. Edit: To put this in more context, the main phenomenon of the player who originally started the controversy and is clearly the ‘best’ at utilizing this exploit ( I want to point out that he deeply seems very cooperative and someone who has no idea why this is happening to him) seems to have the problem at all times during all things/programs. The other phenomenons of this issue (very rare) all have separate problems on why it is happening. Using OBS, having a different version of a mod, keyboard settings (that’s all as far as I can remember). I want to make it very clear that I am not part of the geometry dash community and am recollecting all of my story from a TH-cam video that might be outdated. Edit 2: Just finished the video, and I can safely (somewhat) say that this situation is different than the skoe99 situation (thanks to ItsCakes7 for reminding me), but I still think this is a cool and similar story to share and it could be related to the geometry dash story in a way because I am now remembering that one player only got the issue when using mouse instead of keyboard (OR VICE VERSA I CAN NOT REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME)
And also I don't think these 2 situations are very alike because for Skoe's case he didnt know he was cheating but for Cloutiful's he was aware of what he was doing and he abused the exploit
Over 7 hours of live reporting condensed into a 53 minute video. It's a long one but I wanted to try to recreate the feeling of watching it live because tbh, you just had to be there.
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btmc can we make out
thank you for this video Ed
shut up and kiss me please
Please post more stuff like this mr edward
its fun
@@Winnie-ri4zu its not often that a top 3 player cheats so idk if he can 😭
Something something active cheaters something something lemme see that bell curve
🤨
something about agreeing
bell curve ABOBA
accurate
what keyboard is he gonna cook
Wooting ended up understanding the issue with DKS being used this way. Their products are always riding such a fine line between allowed and not allowed, I hope osu! never has to ban their hardware
imagine the day where wooting is not allowed to even be used anymore
@@auchi-nt5juCongrats mrekk for holding number 1 for another 5 years!
@@auchi-nt5ju i will still use my sayodevice
@@bongalberttio318 10*
they can't ban wooting otherwise all the pp records of the last 3 years will just be invalid and the last valid pp record will just be like sunglow 3mod again
Active cheaters in the top 100? You really think we would let that pass?
nononono, active cheater IN the top 10.
@@Oyya2002top 3*
top 100 in the active cheater? we would let that pass you think really?
@@akiraie187 Think we would let that pass? You think there's active cheaters in the top 100?
This has the EXACT same energy as the SpaceUK cheater report in Geometry Dash (ranked up fast to top 10 out of nowhere and stayed there unnoticed for very long time before someone finally caught him)
is 63 gonna be the new 727
It seem to be. Every cpol play that involve streaming got those 63 comments or holding distribution
940 pixels
this shit gonna die out soon like the term worms for streams
@@the_neon_08EARTHUS!!!!
I can't fucking take it. I see an image of a random score posted and then I see it, I fucking see it. "Oh that looks kinda like the cloutiful 63 situation" it started as. That's funny, that's a cool reference. But I kept going, I'd see a game with ping that showed 63ms, I'd see that I'm on the 6/3 page on my school homework, my last notice to pay my electricity bill is 630.00$ , I'd notice that it's been 63 days since the last time I touched a woman. And every time I'd burst into an insane, breath deprived laugh staring at the image as the number 63 ran through my head. I'm scared to look at the time when someone asks me what time is it. It's torment, psychological torture, I am being conditioned to laugh maniacally any time I see an 2-digit number which is anywhere close to 63. I can't fucking live like this... I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't! And don't get me fucking started on the words! I'll never hear the phrase "when you see it" again without thinking of 63. Someone does pretty cool and respectable score and I can't say anything other than "WYSI." I could watch a man Fc hard underweighted map I love and all I would be able to say is "WYSI" and laugh like a fucking insane person. And the phrase "when you see it" is ruined. I can't live anymore. 63 has destroyed my fucking life. I want to eject myself from this plane of existence
bro is making guac at his desk
thats the dream
Why did I watch a 50 minute reaction video about players I've never heard of for a game I don't play
You did. But the real question is : did you loved it ?
sometimes its nice to get a glimpse into other peoples realities and see how passionate people can be about even the most unexpected things
I'm glad someone is in the same boat as me. The whole time I don't understand a thing but I'm just sitting there like mhmmm mhmm I see.
same
me too, and i also saw someone i actually know in this vid. dorian/doworian is someone i know from a completely diff com, was surprising seeing him
This got me through so many emotions...
AND I'M NOT EVEN A PROPER OSU PLAYER- (I enjoy watching BTMC doe lmao)
the feeling when the player you look up to is cheating
@@Electrified727 Bro ive genuinely been somewhat depressed, clouti was my fav player lmao
Trake osu pog
Uh-huh...?
I think every top100 osu player should do a liveplay in which they are completely naked no table no chair no tablet just sitting on the floor playing with a brand new laptop which they have to unpack during the liveplay as well
insane idea but tbf that's hard to fake so...
FIDE rules be like lmao
Just play the game, who tf cares about rankings
@@voca6175 That was obviously a joke
@@chuck948 LMAOO
I’m scared there will be a lot of more players found cheating in the top 100 after all these cheating scandals
there are already quite a few people admitting to or getting reported for the DKS thing. its sad really
It wouldn't be a surprise honestly lol
Its good. Deserving people should get their spotlight
+1
@@theomnivert yea but not all of them knew its "cheating"
Get these ppl into data analyst occupations damn 💀
Some of them are either on their way to become a data analyst
Or already ARE data analysts
lol
Most osu!players I've come across are legit geniuses. *ACTUAL* geniuses
I am learning ML, i hope i get a data job
Software developper, I'm only 100k tho but I been enjoying osu for years (even tho my fingers aren't made for it...)
Its very likely they are in school for that, they are contractors, or they work for companies already. Having these skills isnt something you just get outta nowhere.
to give context as to why the DKS isnt allowed when used this way. osu has a one movement one inout rule, you cannot have multiple inputs trigger with only one movement. The *deactivation* of a key is considered an input, so when you tap a key, you have two movements: down, and then up, that match two inputs: activating, and deactivating. in this case, cloutiful's upstroke is Triggering the activation of the key, *but* through DKS, it's also deactivating the key through essentially a macro, which is why its not allowed.
ok i get that but like
you can get (almost) the same result by just having a key invert states (with the only difference that it will hold for as long you dont tap but like that changes nothing). if you only invert the state of your key, it's one movement (down stroke) to one input (deactivation). am i dumb?
@@akasakasvault7597 yes, I had the same thought! and I believe thats technically allowed under osu's rules. It's significantly worse though and I feel would be more like a gimmick. it would makes any sliders practically unplayable and overall itd be much harder than this
by that logic, double tapping would also be against the rules - it's one movement providing two inputs, the only difference is that it's one activation and one deactivation instead of two activations
@@mystith incorrect. with double tapping, you have two fingers each doing two movements, both going down to activate the key, and then both going up to release the key. with this method, you still have the same movement and same amount of inputs, but cloutiful has essentially "unbided" his downstroke, so it does nothing and cannot be counted as one of the movements. that's the difference, because now the activation and deactivation are happening with the same upwards movement, which fundementally breaks the one movement one input rule.
so it's bannable because the rule is "one press = one click" while wooting's macro allows for "one press = two clicks" ?
I mean that sounds kinda dumb but I get it. You can effectively double your streams without extra effort, if the baseline is 222bpm, that means you can get up to 444bpm.
Unrelated note, but is extra keybind also illegal? like what if you change other keys to z and x for more buttons? hell, what if you go full ADOFAI?
The absolute roller coster of emotions we all went through live
“wallah” u not seeing paradise bro 🙏
we really went from "727 WHEN YOU SEE IT!"
to "9x7 WHEN YOU SEE IT!"
or (7+2)x7
I hate you so much
@@thanhtamnguyenthi7073 TRUE
@@thanhtamnguyenthi7073 my fucking god I can't escape the funni
@@thanhtamnguyenthi7073 ong I can't escape the funni
Cinema
🙌
BTMCinema
THE C IN BTMC STANDS FOR CINEMA
BMC finally gained a rank
18:25 "Doubters crying right now"
this is probably one of the biggest if not, THE biggest scandal we’ve had in this game and it was genuinely so entertaining
highest rank ban ever (excluding cookiezi), probably the most influential too besides maybe legendre
spaceuk
33:12 might want to censor this before someone uses against cloutiful
i am now considering stepping outside to re think my actions after pressing this timestamp.
I am rethinking my actions
i rethought my actions
Had a sixth sense for these ever since 2017. Cant believe this one finally broke my streak of not getting caught lacking for 7 years.
@@skippy4905 lol
And then mrekk comes to fool around and starts setting some stupid speed scores with the DKS offline bro, thats how easy it was to get cheated plays with just a single keyboard like you don't even need a cheating software anymore.
"If you enter the Top 100 or 50 it should be a must to liveplay"
gnahus: 😴
surely by now gnahus has been in a few lan tournaments as he’s been a known player in the community for both bancho and akatsuki
the only suspicion for gnahus is that hes good at the game, lets not start witchhunting for only that again
@@cyberr7 i agree
@@cyberr7no harm in asking for a liveplay though?, because he practically gave a liveplay that was halfway into a map so i dont know how people would trust him
@@cyberr7no harm in having suspicions especially when the player did not make an effort to fully debunk it all too
the end with all the keyboard workarounds feels so similar with the discovery of rolling in classic tetris lol
It did remind me of this but they are still completely different with the whole I press the key that activates when unpressing with a set time it deactivates. Vs raw input on the NES controller with each individual finger moving left or right fast.
Needing Specialized hardware to do it vs. Everyone can do rolling on original/expexted hardware you own
rolling is fine since every player can't do it. to do DKS is like having a ton of money and that already invalidates everything. that and peppy rules
51:50 Not to say this is why they tweeted that, but if it turns out that it isn't bannable, it would mean basically anyone who wants to play speed would want a Wooting keyboard, which may also boost sales of the keyboards. It's a good move for Wooting, although it would mean that people will have to wait even long to get their hands on their keyboards unless Wooting expands (they've already said that it can take time and they can end up back logged since all the keyboards are put together by hand.)
they most likely tweeted that because of what you're saying, and also because the tweet was made by the CEO of wooting, who reportedly knows nothing about the game. i also really hope this never becomes allowed because its a clear disadvantage, not something accessible to any player. (which to be fair, rapid trigger is also an unfair disadvantage, but to a much lesser extent than full on macros.)
@@chocomitonycouldn’t they add settings in game which replicate the keyboard? Or am i being dumb in thinking this? I’ve heard people say that it shouldn’t be limited to 2 keys so that people can use more for speed as well.
@@PartyCrasher04 I don't think that's possible, its a keyboard function, something that can be done because of its switches and all of that stuff I don't know much about. I think it would ruin the game if it became allowed, its a rhythm game at the end of the day and people just mashing their way through speed maps is essentially everything i think is wrong with osu.
Really good edit in the first part showing / explaining the first video!
I love how after the vc with Dorian it just starts backfiring at him 😂
happens
@@doworian clown
poor guy
Cookiezi was really ahead of his time
was about to say bro played in the future and traveled back in time
people should never doubt him, bro wears masks before covid strikes /s
46:41 the morse code method. they use a key exactly like this where you move it left or right whether you want dashes or dots.
its called a paddle key
@@karadis_gym thanks
Thanks for uploading this, very interesting stuff! But also ABSOLUTE CINEMA
This is some of the best drama yet. Was sitting on the couch and everything.
SpaceUK of osu!
i get that reference
Nah he wasn't as dominant. SpaceUK of osu would be if mrekk was found to be cheating
Nope
@@troublemonkey1_626 spaceuk wasnt dominant, cus zoink just appeared and destroyed him
@@net_flexy same would happen to mrekk if rrtyui or rustbell came back
Nice editing dudeeeeeee
finally out for us to watch
Controlled vibro technique 🥶🥶🥶
Absolute Cinema, I don't play osu nor do i have any interest but this video appeared my recommendations and holy fuck the emotions going on, multiple things happening at time. crazy to watch this.
the foot petal thing caught me off guard cuz wtf
Goddamn let me get some popcorn because this is going to be great
we already know what the wooting is capable of in gaming in general so like you can't blame the company that made it instead to the person that abuses it. and the fact you have someone that is in top 10 literally, abuses them and went under the radar up until recently.
also what a ride this video was, wtf. Cinema
osu drama is either the braindead caveman stuff or the most complicated albert einstein stuff
gyze wake up btmc uploaded a new video
ABSOLUTE BTMCinema
Doubletapping with one key activating on uplift is crazy, it's the equivalent of changing any OD to 0
This the worst clickbait title ever. Change it to like "THE BIGGEST CHEATING SITUATION IN OSU! JUST HAPPPENED (#3 BANNED!) thanks BMC
fr
rip views
he should do it in a few hours or so just to push it a bit more
was it different before? current title looks good to me
Objectively better title, I agree bmc skill issue
at the end of the video i though you would suggest to do the DKS thing on all the keys involved haha
I was here POG
cant believe this video wasnt uploaded 3 months after the drama
have never touched osu but this was kinda fun to watch
that was a fun ride
i just noticed that on 25:35, 2 of 3 cams are blurred, is that on purpose because its so small and you cant really see anything? (screenshare top left)
i literally left like 10 minute before the deletion of the replay video and stuff because i had to sleep man i really missed out i regret that now XD
46:50 NO CAP THAT SHIZ FIRE ONGGGG
32:16 whoever did that is amazing LMFAOOOOO
seeing this video really makes me terrified of the internet and what people would do...
had to put it in 2x speed. It really saved me 🙏🙏
ABSOLUTE CINEMA😭
The guy really went from F to the guy behind him in the Qatar rankings.
i havent heard of, or played osu in years, but this was absolute cinema
ABSOLUTE CINEMA🙌🙌
Here's a PSA that mosaic/blur censoring is not at all secure and can be reverse engineered into the original footage
This is absolute CINEMA
actual MOVIE, 10/10 cinema
at least he spotted the doubletapping
Peak cinema
This is peak cinema
48:22 Its clear to me. "Macro-enabled full-combo sequences". The way its written it means only macros that do full-combo sequences. In simple terns a replay macro.
So a macro that only modifies the behavior of key is not supposed to be considered cheating.
50:23 Totally different from what he was doing. He is using a config/macro that only modifies the behavior of the key being pressed, not another.
51:00 They are totally right and are doing the right thing by getting involved. This behavior could easily be replicated on a hardware level with a few transistors.
I LOVE YOU BYMC
I watched the whole vod
I dont even play osu, but I watched the whole hour video because it was so interesting
This is kinda like spaceUK exposing but in osu
Rapid trigger can't be considered a macro bc rapid trigger gives inputs based on the movements your finger is actually doing on the switch, whereas DKS provides a robotic alternation from pressing two keys at once that your fingers aren't actually doing
i think i was also asleep while this was happening
THIS IS INSANE BRO WHAT THE HELLLLL???
i dont play osu anymore but the drama is so good, W vid
I have never touched osu in my life, but I was so invested in this lol
this is like an actual osu movie
fire
btmc got that bell curve
Bro shifted his wooting keyboard into gear
casual guac at 4 min love it. keep em guessing.
dont play osu but this is still absolute cinema
Gyze! I WAS HERE. POG
absolute cinema
The osu cinematic universe (ocu) is crazy
spaceuk is sweating rn
dude almost became the spaceuk of osu
ABSOLUTE CINEMA
Chills
Im not into osu but this was really compelling
Free my boy on akatsuki 🔥🔥
Absolute cinema
46:15 surely if someone designed the world biggest or heaviest keyboard, he can design this as well
peak osu cinema
somehow this is the video where i figure out OD means overall difficulty wow
Can't wait for the Karl Jobst video on this topic
Hello you absolute legend
Absolute Cinema
glarses heavy switch when
this drama is crazyyyyyy!!!
SpaceUK ptsd is hitting harddd
BMC 🗣🗣🗣🔥
welcome to the new era of osu! hackusation (/j) where in bell curves are now a variable
Not through the video yet (about 20 mins in), but this reminds me of a geometry dash controversy where under very specific circumstances some players, seemingly randomly, would specifically have robot like same time reflexes/clicks. As far as I know the true reason behind this is known not.
Edit: To put this in more context, the main phenomenon of the player who originally started the controversy and is clearly the ‘best’ at utilizing this exploit ( I want to point out that he deeply seems very cooperative and someone who has no idea why this is happening to him) seems to have the problem at all times during all things/programs. The other phenomenons of this issue (very rare) all have separate problems on why it is happening. Using OBS, having a different version of a mod, keyboard settings (that’s all as far as I can remember). I want to make it very clear that I am not part of the geometry dash community and am recollecting all of my story from a TH-cam video that might be outdated.
Edit 2: Just finished the video, and I can safely (somewhat) say that this situation is different than the skoe99 situation (thanks to ItsCakes7 for reminding me), but I still think this is a cool and similar story to share and it could be related to the geometry dash story in a way because I am now remembering that one player only got the issue when using mouse instead of keyboard (OR VICE VERSA I CAN NOT REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME)
You're talking about that one video about Skoe99 right ?
Yes I am!
@@ItsCakes7^
@@youknowthatguy123 Glad I could helped
And also I don't think these 2 situations are very alike because for Skoe's case he didnt know he was cheating but for Cloutiful's he was aware of what he was doing and he abused the exploit