Does the second narrator need a better microphone? The clarity of speech between him and Drachinifel is quite noticeable in that the second narrator's speech seems a bit 'tinny'? on second listening, i think the second narrator just needs to slow down a bit and try to be a bit more even in his inflection.
@@TankUni ive been trying a few ways to use the mic, and sometimes its been good, sometimes not. i feel i could have been better on the audio. but that will be improved for the next video hopefully. compared to the videos on my channel. the audio is better there.
That Admiralty order to regroup with Canopus, arriving 2 days after their destination had sunk...truly an inspiration for Warhammer 40k, where this is their normal routine.
"The same as taking the Tardis back 65 million years to make sure that the dinosaurkilling asteroid landed on a perticularly vexing walnut." Now i've heard some analogies in my day. But this one really tops them all. :)
When he said that, I had a vision of the squirrel from the Ice Age movie series (the one that can never get that acorn to break open) stealing the tardis to put it under the asteroid only to have it knock the asteroid to another part of the planet.
@@ieuanhunt552 I'm tempted to go back through all the videos in the channel, and compile a list of Drachisms. I think it would make quite an amusing read.
36:23 I just noticed that the 1,418 men who died in this 1914 battle exactly equaled in number the crew of HMS Hood when it sank in May 1941. There were three survivors from the Hood.
I think that was generous on Drach's part. Captain Pigot on Hermione was probably certifiable. As was that guy on is that British transport shipping World War II whose name I can't find immediately That caused a mutiny on board.
St. Peter: "Sorry, but for the sinful life you've led you're going to have to spend quite a long time in purgatory!" Ex-navy officer: "Uh...back in my younger days I did a tour as Engineering Officer..." St. Peter: "Whoops. My bad. Pass, friend..." :-)
Incredibly minor nitpick here, but I don't think St. Thomas in the Caribbean should be listed as a German colonial possession. It belonged to the Danish for basically the entirety of it's European history, until the US bought it (and the rest of the US Virgin Islands) off them in 1917. The closest thing I could find to German ownership was a German company leasing a slave trading fort there from the Danes until 1693. Not that that's Drach's fault, he didn't make the map, but it's where I was born so I want to be obnoxiously precise about it.
@freebeerfordworkers My (casual) recall is that the US acquisition of the "US" Virgin Islands from Denmark was related to a desire to protect the approach to the Panama Canal. An interesting artifact of that history is that it is (as far as I know) the only place in the world where left-hand-drive cars (US style because that's where the vehicles have long come from) drive on the left side of the road (English / 1917-era Danish practice). I've been in and driven in far more countries than the local drivers so it was with some amusement I heard their explanation for the situation. My understanding and experience is that you prefer to have the driver closest to the center of the road so you can see further around a curve and react sooner to an oncoming vehicle. But, locally, I heard from USVI cab drivers, during my two visits, that having left-hand-drive-cars (US style) on the left-side-of-the-road (Bristish style) was so, in a head-on collision (not an uncommon occurrence on those very curvy, narrow roads), the drivers were further from the points of contact. I nodded my head, tightened my seat belt, and tried not to distract the local driver.
@@DavidThomas-sv1tk Humans like to invent reasonable-sounding explanations for things, even if said explanations have no actual relationship to why the thing being "explained" is the way it is.
@freebeerfordworkers No, not the Italians bought it, the american bought it, putting up a.45 up the danish noses, asking "We're happy?". Okay, it makes no difference...
"Rats on LSD" 😂😂😂😂😂 Why do I feel like the Chief Engineer in question was pulling a full Apocalypse Now in his engine room. Running around naked, covered in engine oil and screaming incessantly. Maybe trying to sacrifice a random crewman to the Omnissiah. Fantastic video as always sir, I loved the collaboration. They are always enjoyable. On a more morbid note, I wonder when Cradock realized it was over. That he was going to die. Or did even get that chance. Same for the Officers and Sailors aboard Monmouth.
@@Drachinifel Hmmm I know he was doing his duty but you gotta wonder why he didn't try and strike his colors, allow some of his men to try and escape. At least give them a chance to live. Though a quick death in an ship that exploded vs dying of exposure in the ocean is a grim choice.
@@admiraltiberius1989 Historically there have been several cases where it has proved impossible to strike colours for various reasons, from jammed halyards to it being certain death to approach a place from which they can be struck. Plus he may have realised that the sea was to rough for there to be any realistic chance of a rescue by the time he had exhausted all possibility of damaging the Germans (remember that damaging an enemy, even though he then defeats you, may set up his eventual defeat. This was one of the issues that led to Troubridge's Court Martial).
@@admiraltiberius1989 It actually makes me think he was actually killed beforehand, and those last-ditch-ramming actions were commanded by whatever surviving junior officers left on board, with burden of command in dire straits being a bit too much to them too handle.
Great story to tell, and a worthy experiment having a co-narrator. Unfortunately, I found it difficult in the extreme to understand him, in part due to his diction, but probably in greater part due to his audio equipment.
I must agree wholeheartedly. I had to give it up because it was giving me a headache. It sounded like he was speaking through a bad telephone connection with a malfunctioning auto-volume control that just kept ramping up and down.
I found it easier to understand the bloody foreigner by slowing down playback speed. (that's a joke by the way, so nobody has to seek safe spaces). Enjoyable episode by the way made so partly by the co-narrator.
FYI the previous loss of a RN squadron that Drach refers to, in 1810, is the battle of isle de la passe, or Port Sud Ouest in Mauritius. There is a hotel that overlooks the battle site and you can see the isle de la passe in the distance from the private beach.
While I love most of the collaborations you do with other channels I could barely hear James for large parts of the video. Napalm also can be a little quiet at times but it also sounds like he is trying to make it sound like he using the olden comms aboard what ship he is commenting from, which is a touch I just love.
Agreed...wonderful content! James, it sounds like you are making an effort to speak slowly, but sometimes your individual words are spoken too quickly and are difficult to understand. I look forward to more of these; they are the best on the Internet.
Pffah! English is my second language and I had no problems at all understanding anything in this video. As long as it's not that aweful mumbling dialect they like to speak in Northern England (not Scotland because Scots accent is fabulous).
I also had trouble making out what the collaborators were saying. Perhaps it's the cheap speakers I'm using, but they work fine for other videos. More attention to clear pronunciation would help. I wonder if the collaborators hear the question "What?" a lot in their normal conversations, given what sounds like a default mumble. For the guy introducing Rear Admiral Craddock, pay special attention to pronouncing the consonants carefully.
I find ... thatjameshabitof ...speakinginburstslikemalfuntioning......morse .....code ...isirrita ..... tingand.....incompr....hensible. Itmakeswhat .......everknowledhe.....hasinaccesible .....tothelisten.....er. It's ironic to consider that when I first started listening to Drach he used robovoice because he thought it would be better than his voice. How wrong he was. He is a brilliant narrator and I hope he gives James some tips, perhaps confidence, to speak more slowly and with an even tempo. Otherwise top work.
Great video Drach! To me, SMS Scharnhorst and her sister ships were the most beautiful warships ever. I know that they were not build to look good, but to be deadly, but OMG I just can't stop looking at her pictures. Just beautiful. I wish there was one still remainign as a museum-ship. But sadly they are at the bottom of the ocean.
Very interesting and very well presented. Thank you particularly for the mark of respect at the end. I haven't previously witnessed anything like that in a documentary and I thought it was very fitting.
Feedback, meant as concstructive and nicely possible: As non native english speaker, James was difficult to understand. His is cadence and tone (and a bit sound quality) made it difficult to follow, especially in contrast to Drach speaking.
Indeed. While I ultimately appreciate taking lesser known channels and bolstering them, constantly bouncing between Drach's voice and someone else's makes my brain go on the fritz. Differences in volume also make them difficult for me to juggle.
Yes - I am afraid that I had to give up warching because of the almost unintelligible, staccato cadence of James’s delivery. That’s a real shame, because in the brief snatches where he slowed down (and maybe relaxed a little - was it just nerves?), I thought that he was doing a pretty good job adding some expression to the lines. But, as is, I missed many of the names he spoke and the staccato delivery drove me to distraction.
My Great-uncle was (what remains of him perhaps still is) on the Monmouth, listed as a "Sailmaker's Mate". Most complete accounting of his ship's final hours I've ever come across, it appears her crew fought to the very last, rather admirable regardless if they were reserves or not. Thanks for a great video!
I think it’s really nice to see that you are developing the naval military community however it is really off putting and hard to concentrate when there is a voice change. I love all of your videos and hope that you keep up the marvellous work regards
I always thought this engagement and the Falklands would make the best "das boot" style series from ww1, following either one of the German crews or HMS Glasgow (or both).
@Chris_Wooden_Eye Whats not allowed? Germany can ban it all they want, its the rest of the world that gets to see it and they'll love it! ^.^ Germany seriously needs to get over this shit...
@Chris_Wooden_Eye I mean this is WW1 we’re talking about. It wasn’t a moral war like WW2, it was two bands of colonialist bastards shoving their People into the opposing sides war machine in the hope enough mangled corpses would clog it up
Some cutting things seem a bit off with The Shipyards voice, the pauses are disturbing the speech flow which is very apparent in the end with the introduction but also less in the video itself. Audio levels also don't seem to match each other very well. Minor problems that are to be expected from something new, I especially liked the extra voices for the reports.
agree, the staccato style of speech, fast cadence with irregular pauses makes it difficult to comprehend, this is exacerbated by the differing audio levels. Unlike Nanotyrannus, I didn't like the extra voice, it detracted from the normal presentation that is both informative and easy to understand.
@@macbouncer8525 Indeed it needs some work, maybe Drach can give a few pointers on how to evolve a channel from robot voice to the marvel it nowadays. I'm very interested in where The Shipyard channel can grow into.
It was presumably done over skype or similar - the pausing is due to compression of the data or companding. Emailing the audio instead would solve this.
Mein Gott in Himmel. The German naval observers record: “The portholes of Monmouth were [clearly] illuminated by the fires within..”. A horror scene to imagine, for the crew trapped inside “the Devil’s foundry”. A brilliant, though horrifying, account of the Coronel naval engagement: thank you, Drach and The Shipyard.
I'm nearly finished reading Robert K. Massie's books, "Dreadnought" and "Castles of Steel", and this site's extensive videos of the ships and many of the events have been a great supplemental resource. Thanks for what you are doing here.
Knock knock. It's the United States. With Huge boats. With guns. Gunboats. "Open the country. Stop having it be closed." Said the United States. Japan: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Japan nearly 100 years later: "Knock knock, it's the Imperial Japanese Navy. With lots of planes. And bombs. And torpedoes. And we'll use them on your ships now. K bye." United States just under four years later: "Knock knock, it's the United States. We bring back your explosives. With lots of interest."
In the first image appears the Chilean battleship Prat, which was quite unique. That, because that image of Spee's squadron was taken in Valparaíso after Coronel.
Good battle report and kudos on trying a colaboration with The Shipyard. But his voice and audio do need work. It was low and muffled, at some points being very hard to hear. And mind the pauses.
It would be very interesting if the Kongos were sent to reinforce the Grand Fleet's battlecruiser squadron, like the American 6th battle squadron. But allas, the Japanese had different ideas.
It took me a while to realize that Drach did have the backup of not one, but two chaps. I love the work you three are doing, and I am very thankful for the great sources of profound entertainment. Just regarding the delivery of this, please understand it as respectful criticism, when I say: Ones native language is not necessarily an indicator of how well one can express himself in the verbal sense. There is some room of improvement which, if filled with practice can surely lead to a great future.
For next colaboration video please check and synchronize audio volume. The recording of the new guy was noticably quieter. So much so that when I increased volume to compensate it became uncomfortably loud for me when Drach continued with his part (I'm using headphones). Other than that thank you for great content!
and in a strange game related twist: *Nurnberg warily creeping upto the motionless body of Monmouth*: "Hello? ... Mr. British Guy?" *Monmouth sudden comes alive with a zombie snarl and lunges at Nurnberg* *Nurnberg screams and open fires at Monmouth while getting away*
The incredibly huge number of casualties in naval battles has always made me rather sick, when I contemplate their last moments. How wasteful! How terribly destructive…
Another very good review. The real blame for the loss at Coronel lies with the Admiralty especially Churchill and Battenberg who should have foreseen the strategic situation in the Pacific and deployed adequate forces there before war broke out. Cradock did his duty and the fine memorial to him in York Minster reflects a man 'upholding the fine tradition of the British Navy'.
I live at about 50km / 30 miles from Coronel, in Chile. We have a small monolith to that battle at a park right by the coastline, with bronze plaques that read the same as stated in the end message of this video, and bronze carvings of the silouttes of both sunken ships. We locals know that battle as "Batalla Naval de Coronel". Give it a search, you'll find some nice pictures
I think it's better when Drach narrates the entire thing the german narrator sounds like he's calling in from a 2 way radio. UPDATE: after listining to Channel Dash maybe that was the point, just needs to be louder I can barely hear him... Tallyhoe ha ha
Yeah - while an interesting video overall, the Shipyards contribuition take down the greater whole - wgile Drach is eminently good at enunciation, James unfortunately is not, sound levels varying too much as well...
For a good laugh, turn on the automated Closed Captioning when he speaks. The results are less than encouraging. All TH-camrs should strive to, at a minimum, achieve the level of their language's CC system. There are massive differences between British English pronunciation and American English pronunciation and that's fair, but good god. He is NOT an experienced speaker. There are real dialect issues at work here. Shipyard, I love you, but you would benefit from a speaking coach.
Unlike some commentors, I didn't find it at all difficult to understand James when he was speaking. But there may be issues with sound levels and diction that will surely be resolved with practice. No need to throw the binoculars overboard! Thanks very much to all involved for an exciting and interesting report - and an extra thanks for the tribute at the end.
A great commentary on a WW I sea battle that involved 4-armored cruisers, four light cruisers, one AMC (Otranto) cruiser. This video has been well researched with emphasis given to the mechanics, the speeds, the background of the warships involved, the two Admirals, and their gallant crews. The battle itself, under 11-1-14 conditions, should not have been engaged by Admiral Craddock. He should have broke up his squadron and fell back on the pre-dreadnought Canopus, that was struggling to catch up. Her 12-inch rifles could have aided Craddock, my modest opinion. Craddock did not expect to see the whole German squadron, but was on the scout for a single German light cruiser he thought was lurking about, NOT the whole German squadron! Thank you again for this great video on a seldom covered sea battle.
A 36 minute long 5 min guide.....fantastic! Self isolating with what’s probably nothing more than a nasty cold, I’m just gonna lay back and enjoy this!
I had enormous difficulty making out a large proportion of what the second narrator (James) was saying, and had to keep going back to re-listen - sometimes multiple times - to work out what the words he was saying actually were. He needs significant practice at delivering clear diction!
@@mysss29 Yeah, the captioning is often "auto generating" meaning the captioning is trying its best to interpret what is said. Depending on how the person speaks, the auto captioning might combine two separate words into one. It isn't always perfect. Particularly with this video! : ) I often us it on Jordan Peterson Lectures so I can hang on every work...
Was the Canopus' chief engineer a former Russian officer from the Kamchatka? Or is going mad an acceptable form of dealing with naval bureaucracy? I kid, of course; in reality I'm curious what exactly happened with that guy to cause all of those problems.
Me, I'm curious as to why he hadn't been relieved of duty and replaced with the assistant chief engineer when his behavior became more and more erratic.
My grandfather was a retired Chief Petty Officer, then a Commissioned Boatman in the Coast Guard. As such he was a naval reservist summoned to Plymouth in Sept 1914, luckily arriving too late to be assigned to Good Hope, and instead went on Argonaut.
suggestion for the Falklands followup; more charts of the ships-armaments, animated maps of the contacts, firings, event timelines - its just easier to follow. Otherwise I like the scope, the background, the details and the narrations. but level out the audios. Great job.
Another AWESOME video. Thank you much. For James, the shipyard, I have a small request. Could you speak just a little slower, just a little please? I enjoy collaborations like these very much. For Drach, thank you for doing all this work and research. Many times I knew a bit about something, but without any details. Thank you VERY much, for filling those blanks. Cheers, salut, shokdi, langevar, nastrovia, proost.
I’d love to see something on the USS Oregon City, i think it holds some distinction for being such a large ship named after a small city. It was also a lead ship of her class.
I simply do not understand those of you who watch these videos from moment they come out. I have to make note of them and exactly when I can have perfectly quiet time where I am fully prepared to be comfortable and completely immersed. I'm not going to miss a single second. And it's always worth the effort. This one especially.
James could occassionally be difficult to understand, but otherwise it didn't bother me too much and I enjoyed the collaboration. Just like Bernhard in MHV, James would definitely improve and his old accent would be viewed as a legacy for a time when his channel is still young.
The miscommunication with the Admiralty turned a potential disaster into a tragedy. I can't stand it when good men and their officers are killed in an unintended battle that they could have otherwise survived.
Drachinifel, your voice is laid-back, comforting, a mite ironic and thoroughly understandable. Mr Ratte's voice, with its staccato delivery, and further degraded by poor sound quality, is just not up to the task of communicating understandably. Also, the addition of static to the reports from the British / German ships is perhaps a cool effect; but where there are technical issues, as here, the effect gets in the way of fundamental comprehension.
@@Drachinifel "Mr Ratte's voice, with its staccato delivery, and further degraded by poor sound quality, is just not up to the task of communicating understandably" Have to agree completely with that part.
Oh that HMS Canubus...!!! One of the most fiddly bastard 22" inch long models I ever made, the hull was car body filler on a rigid foam base, the barbette guns plastistrut pipe, the gun barrels were sleeved brass/turned rod. I did the rigging 3 times until a mate at BT furnished me with some ultra fine wire. As for all the hand-rails I did them as per the picture with the canvas in place. The Martian Fighting Machine... that was a lot easier. Yes... missing the anti torpedo booms and two barbette turrets port/starboard below the main super structure... Canubus (or class) inspired the Thunderchild from Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds Album.
Best picture of the armed merchant that could be found is one where there is literally fire coming out of one of the stacks... that's a good one there if I've ever seen one ;)
@@TheShipYard2i would recommend in a few acustic panel(I would recommend a DIY version) and investing a little more on a microphone or use your smartphone to record the dialog to minimise the Sound that you are speaking underwater which is acceptable if I have a speaker but unbearable to anyone using a headphone
TheShipYard I really like your spacing between words. But dont try to make up for it by trying to squeeze a three-second-word into one second. If you excuse me putting it like that.
@@seno5530 that is quite alright. i think personally, i should have read all the bits of script many more times over, so i would have been more confident. but this is a first time doing it for someone else's video and such i shall improve for next time
@@TheShipYard2 The problem seems to be the cadence of the diction you are using. Fast pronunciation of the words with irregular pauses are very difficult to understand... slower is fine, smoother is better. Dont need to rush it, there's no prize for finishing first. :-)
The raid of the Emden on Madras was so successful that the name "Emden" (or "Yemden") became a part of the local Tamil language. Akin to the boogeyman. Mothers would scold young children to behave or "Yemden" would come for them...
Just before the battle, all the flying pets...parrots etc were released and sat for a while on the aerials. There was a touching short service by a naval padre clutching the last letter from his little daughter. He knew, privately they had no hope.
My War at Sea, by Heathcoat S Grant, later an Admiral after the war, and then Captain of the Canopus is a fascinating read. He covers this, and the Falklands, where Canopus was flooded aft in harbour to provide a firing position. He eventually ended up doing battery fire at Gallipoli, firing over the heads of friends and family. He knew Canopus to be a dog, but he was implacable, always catching up, ever striving. I think it is £1 on Amazon. Truly great.
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Drachinifel obvious question is obviously obvious but could hms Canopus have made a meaningful different or would spee have just declined combat.
Have we found the graves of either HMS Good Hope or HMS Monmouth?
@@lordshipmayhem negative, both ships have not been found unfortunately
Does the second narrator need a better microphone?
The clarity of speech between him and Drachinifel is quite noticeable in that the second narrator's speech seems a bit 'tinny'? on second listening, i think the second narrator just needs to slow down a bit and try to be a bit more even in his inflection.
@@TankUni ive been trying a few ways to use the mic, and sometimes its been good, sometimes not. i feel i could have been better on the audio. but that will be improved for the next video hopefully. compared to the videos on my channel. the audio is better there.
Last time I was this early, Admiral Rozhestvensky still had a full supply of binoculars
I see torpedo boats
@@sovietdominion *curses in Russian and begins throwing said binos*
@@Scooternjng Half Naked Officer: Do you fear death my friends?
I heard he went to a turret so he could get better range with them. But the Japanese boarding cats did not waver... Mee. Yow. Indeed.
These cigarettes are opium - I must hoard them at all costs....
That Admiralty order to regroup with Canopus, arriving 2 days after their destination had sunk...truly an inspiration for Warhammer 40k, where this is their normal routine.
"The same as taking the Tardis back 65 million years to make sure that the dinosaurkilling asteroid landed on a perticularly vexing walnut." Now i've heard some analogies in my day. But this one really tops them all. :)
You can't let those walnuts get out of hand....
When he said that, I had a vision of the squirrel from the Ice Age movie series (the one that can never get that acorn to break open) stealing the tardis to put it under the asteroid only to have it knock the asteroid to another part of the planet.
Welcome to Drachinifel. That was a Drachism. He comes up with that sort of thing quite a lot. It's delightful.
@@ieuanhunt552 Took me a couple minutes to figure out what drachism was.
@@ieuanhunt552 I'm tempted to go back through all the videos in the channel, and compile a list of Drachisms. I think it would make quite an amusing read.
The two Sharnhorsts must be simultaneously the most southern and northern warship wrecks in the world, at least steel ones.
EFEZZE6280 you might be right here
Definitely for 2 ships under the same name
HMS Edinburgh is further north
@EFEZZE6280 aah yes, the light cruiser Phoenix.
@@HemlockRidge General Belgrano, AKA U.S.S. Phoenix, A Pearl Harbor survivor, sunk by a British Submarine, that was Built in the United States.
36:23 I just noticed that the 1,418 men who died in this 1914 battle exactly equaled in number the crew of HMS Hood when it sank in May 1941. There were three survivors from the Hood.
The closing, with “Eternal Father, Strong to Save” was very nice. Quite touching.
I'm not crying, your crying!
It is just dust that got in my eye.
I've sung that in church.
Heh, the last Drydock said there weren't any real insane captains. But chief engineers were another matter apparently.
I think that was generous on Drach's part. Captain Pigot on Hermione was probably certifiable. As was that guy on is that British transport shipping World War II whose name I can't find immediately That caused a mutiny on board.
@@PaulfromChicago Then there's the matter of the STRAWBERRIES...
St. Peter: "Sorry, but for the sinful life you've led you're going to have to spend quite a long time in purgatory!" Ex-navy officer: "Uh...back in my younger days I did a tour as Engineering Officer..." St. Peter: "Whoops. My bad. Pass, friend..." :-)
There was one.
Captain Nicholas Klado. Kamchatka
Incredibly minor nitpick here, but I don't think St. Thomas in the Caribbean should be listed as a German colonial possession. It belonged to the Danish for basically the entirety of it's European history, until the US bought it (and the rest of the US Virgin Islands) off them in 1917. The closest thing I could find to German ownership was a German company leasing a slave trading fort there from the Danes until 1693. Not that that's Drach's fault, he didn't make the map, but it's where I was born so I want to be obnoxiously precise about it.
We strive for precision here, and your comments are appreciated.
@@rogerhwerner6997 I agree, history must be correct ! well done Nicholas
@freebeerfordworkers My (casual) recall is that the US acquisition of the "US" Virgin Islands from Denmark was related to a desire to protect the approach to the Panama Canal. An interesting artifact of that history is that it is (as far as I know) the only place in the world where left-hand-drive cars (US style because that's where the vehicles have long come from) drive on the left side of the road (English / 1917-era Danish practice). I've been in and driven in far more countries than the local drivers so it was with some amusement I heard their explanation for the situation.
My understanding and experience is that you prefer to have the driver closest to the center of the road so you can see further around a curve and react sooner to an oncoming vehicle. But, locally, I heard from USVI cab drivers, during my two visits, that having left-hand-drive-cars (US style) on the left-side-of-the-road (Bristish style) was so, in a head-on collision (not an uncommon occurrence on those very curvy, narrow roads), the drivers were further from the points of contact.
I nodded my head, tightened my seat belt, and tried not to distract the local driver.
@@DavidThomas-sv1tk Humans like to invent reasonable-sounding explanations for things, even if said explanations have no actual relationship to why the thing being "explained" is the way it is.
@freebeerfordworkers
No, not the Italians bought it, the american bought it, putting up a.45 up the danish noses, asking "We're happy?".
Okay, it makes no difference...
"Rats on LSD" 😂😂😂😂😂
Why do I feel like the Chief Engineer in question was pulling a full Apocalypse Now in his engine room. Running around naked, covered in engine oil and screaming incessantly. Maybe trying to sacrifice a random crewman to the Omnissiah.
Fantastic video as always sir, I loved the collaboration. They are always enjoyable.
On a more morbid note, I wonder when Cradock realized it was over. That he was going to die. Or did even get that chance.
Same for the Officers and Sailors aboard Monmouth.
I have a feeling that's when Good Hope moved in to ram.
@@Drachinifel Hmmm I know he was doing his duty but you gotta wonder why he didn't try and strike his colors, allow some of his men to try and escape. At least give them a chance to live. Though a quick death in an ship that exploded vs dying of exposure in the ocean is a grim choice.
@@admiraltiberius1989 Historically there have been several cases where it has proved impossible to strike colours for various reasons, from jammed halyards to it being certain death to approach a place from which they can be struck. Plus he may have realised that the sea was to rough for there to be any realistic chance of a rescue by the time he had exhausted all possibility of damaging the Germans (remember that damaging an enemy, even though he then defeats you, may set up his eventual defeat. This was one of the issues that led to Troubridge's Court Martial).
@@rickansell661 you are completely correct, I can't argue with that.
@@admiraltiberius1989 It actually makes me think he was actually killed beforehand, and those last-ditch-ramming actions were commanded by whatever surviving junior officers left on board, with burden of command in dire straits being a bit too much to them too handle.
Ah, yes, Admiral von Spee's wild ride
Haf Kaf, Haaarump.
Thanks, HMS Exeter.
Unleash the Beast!
I want to get off Admiral von Spee's wild ride
Right up there with Lützow's Wild hunt.
Great story to tell, and a worthy experiment having a co-narrator. Unfortunately, I found it difficult in the extreme to understand him, in part due to his diction, but probably in greater part due to his audio equipment.
Agreed ... it got to the point where I had to stop listening.
I must agree wholeheartedly. I had to give it up because it was giving me a headache. It sounded like he was speaking through a bad telephone connection with a malfunctioning auto-volume control that just kept ramping up and down.
I found it easier to understand the bloody foreigner by slowing down playback speed. (that's a joke by the way, so nobody has to seek safe spaces).
Enjoyable episode by the way made so partly by the co-narrator.
ah...I assumed it was his accent eating all those words
FYI the previous loss of a RN squadron that Drach refers to, in 1810, is the battle of isle de la passe, or Port Sud Ouest in Mauritius. There is a hotel that overlooks the battle site and you can see the isle de la passe in the distance from the private beach.
I've read the fictionalized version of that in Patrick O'Brian's "The Mauritious Command".
While I love most of the collaborations you do with other channels I could barely hear James for large parts of the video. Napalm also can be a little quiet at times but it also sounds like he is trying to make it sound like he using the olden comms aboard what ship he is commenting from, which is a touch I just love.
Agreed...wonderful content! James, it sounds like you are making an effort to speak slowly, but sometimes your individual words are spoken too quickly and are difficult to understand. I look forward to more of these; they are the best on the Internet.
Pffah! English is my second language and I had no problems at all understanding anything in this video.
As long as it's not that aweful mumbling dialect they like to speak in Northern England (not Scotland because Scots accent is fabulous).
I also had trouble making out what the collaborators were saying. Perhaps it's the cheap speakers I'm using, but they work fine for other videos. More attention to clear pronunciation would help. I wonder if the collaborators hear the question "What?" a lot in their normal conversations, given what sounds like a default mumble. For the guy introducing Rear Admiral Craddock, pay special attention to pronouncing the consonants carefully.
I was having trouble too. It's almost entirely a matter of volume, though.
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It's ironic to consider that when I first started listening to Drach he used robovoice because he thought it would be better than his voice. How wrong he was. He is a brilliant narrator and I hope he gives James some tips, perhaps confidence, to speak more slowly and with an even tempo.
Otherwise top work.
I had a much clearer time hearing drachinifal than the other guy.
A favourite subject of mine. The last sea battle fought solely with ships; no aircraft, Zepplins, submarines or mines.
Without Zeppelins there is no point to war. War is so you can triumphantly land your Zeps in...oh wait. Nvm
Great video Drach! To me, SMS Scharnhorst and her sister ships were the most beautiful warships ever. I know that they were not build to look good, but to be deadly, but OMG I just can't stop looking at her pictures. Just beautiful. I wish there was one still remainign as a museum-ship. But sadly they are at the bottom of the ocean.
I feel bad for Spee, does pretty much everything right but still ends up an impossible position.
I feel bad for Frau Spee. In addition to her husband both her sons were killed in the Falklands battle.
Imagine getting replaced by a pre-WW2 Churchill. My self esteem wouldn't recover.
Very interesting and very well presented. Thank you particularly for the mark of respect at the end. I haven't previously witnessed anything like that in a documentary and I thought it was very fitting.
Feedback, meant as concstructive and nicely possible: As non native english speaker, James was difficult to understand. His is cadence and tone (and a bit sound quality) made it difficult to follow, especially in contrast to Drach speaking.
Indeed. While I ultimately appreciate taking lesser known channels and bolstering them, constantly bouncing between Drach's voice and someone else's makes my brain go on the fritz. Differences in volume also make them difficult for me to juggle.
Yes - I am afraid that I had to give up warching because of the almost unintelligible, staccato cadence of James’s delivery. That’s a real shame, because in the brief snatches where he slowed down (and maybe relaxed a little - was it just nerves?), I thought that he was doing a pretty good job adding some expression to the lines. But, as is, I missed many of the names he spoke and the staccato delivery drove me to distraction.
It's all a learning experience :)
I concur. It was frustrating, as some parts were virtually unintelligible,
@@Drachinifel I also concur. This is something that he will learn if he trains a bit.
My Great-uncle was (what remains of him perhaps still is) on the Monmouth, listed as a "Sailmaker's Mate".
Most complete accounting of his ship's final hours I've ever come across, it appears her crew fought to the very last, rather admirable regardless if they were reserves or not.
Thanks for a great video!
I think it’s really nice to see that you are developing the naval military community however it is really off putting and hard to concentrate when there is a voice change. I love all of your videos and hope that you keep up the marvellous work regards
That's interesting info on the state of Canopus' engines; most histories simply state it was "old and worn", or something similar.
I always thought this engagement and the Falklands would make the best "das boot" style series from ww1, following either one of the German crews or HMS Glasgow (or both).
It might be better if it followed the two officers' crews cause they are the ships and crews that mattered...
@Chris_Wooden_Eye Whats not allowed? Germany can ban it all they want, its the rest of the world that gets to see it and they'll love it! ^.^ Germany seriously needs to get over this shit...
@Chris_Wooden_Eye Das Boot was allowed.
@Chris_Wooden_Eye I mean this is WW1 we’re talking about. It wasn’t a moral war like WW2, it was two bands of colonialist bastards shoving their People into the opposing sides war machine in the hope enough mangled corpses would clog it up
Some cutting things seem a bit off with The Shipyards voice, the pauses are disturbing the speech flow which is very apparent in the end with the introduction but also less in the video itself. Audio levels also don't seem to match each other very well.
Minor problems that are to be expected from something new, I especially liked the extra voices for the reports.
agree, the staccato style of speech, fast cadence with irregular pauses makes it difficult to comprehend, this is exacerbated by the differing audio levels. Unlike Nanotyrannus, I didn't like the extra voice, it detracted from the normal presentation that is both informative and easy to understand.
@@macbouncer8525 Indeed it needs some work, maybe Drach can give a few pointers on how to evolve a channel from robot voice to the marvel it nowadays. I'm very interested in where The Shipyard channel can grow into.
I concur
I found it very difficult to understand the names of the ships from that second narrator
It was presumably done over skype or similar - the pausing is due to compression of the data or companding. Emailing the audio instead would solve this.
Mein Gott in Himmel.
The German naval observers record: “The portholes of Monmouth were [clearly] illuminated by the fires within..”. A horror scene to imagine, for the crew trapped inside “the Devil’s foundry”.
A brilliant, though horrifying, account of the Coronel naval engagement: thank you, Drach and The Shipyard.
I'm nearly finished reading Robert K. Massie's books, "Dreadnought" and "Castles of Steel", and this site's extensive videos of the ships and many of the events have been a great supplemental resource. Thanks for what you are doing here.
Please can you keep uploading as much content as you possibly can to help us all through this tediously terrible time? You're a star Sir. 🥂
Knock knock. It's the United States. With Huge boats. With guns. Gunboats.
"Open the country. Stop having it be closed." Said the United States.
Japan: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Japan nearly 100 years later: "Knock knock, it's the Imperial Japanese Navy. With lots of planes. And bombs. And torpedoes. And we'll use them on your ships now. K bye."
United States just under four years later: "Knock knock, it's the United States. We bring back your explosives. With lots of interest."
In the first image appears the Chilean battleship Prat, which was quite unique. That, because that image of Spee's squadron was taken in Valparaíso after Coronel.
Good battle report and kudos on trying a colaboration with The Shipyard. But his voice and audio do need work. It was low and muffled, at some points being very hard to hear. And mind the pauses.
Ah, the Kongo's finally got their moment to shine and not be laughed out of the video.
And it was against the Germans. How ironic.
Had the Kongos found Von Spree the German squadron would be obliterated
It would be very interesting if the Kongos were sent to reinforce the Grand Fleet's battlecruiser squadron, like the American 6th battle squadron. But allas, the Japanese had different ideas.
the fact the first sea lord was forced out because he was german is hiliarious. You know who also is a god damn german, the fucking King at the time!
One of my ancestors fought in this battle. He died when his ship went down with all hands.
I know that German accent. The way Napalm Ratte says "ship-eh" is so wonderful to hear
It took me a while to realize that Drach did have the backup of not one, but two chaps. I love the work you three are doing, and I am very thankful for the great sources of profound entertainment. Just regarding the delivery of this, please understand it as respectful criticism, when I say: Ones native language is not necessarily an indicator of how well one can express himself in the verbal sense. There is some room of improvement which, if filled with practice can surely lead to a great future.
For next colaboration video please check and synchronize audio volume. The recording of the new guy was noticably quieter. So much so that when I increased volume to compensate it became uncomfortably loud for me when Drach continued with his part (I'm using headphones). Other than that thank you for great content!
I tried my best, on the project file his voice was actually coming over louder than mine. But I'll take this onboard and adjust for next time.
@@Drachinifel ill increase it on my end aswell.
@@Drachinifel Beware of back seat Alfred Hitchcock's and Spielberg's.....😏
@@WALTERBROADDUS the birds, the birds!
@@Drachinifel 🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇 Could be worse. Could be "Chicken of the Cave".....th-cam.com/video/rXRYtt-8uH8/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video. I should mention the speech of the gentleman from The Shipyard was lower volume and words were said to quickly for me to easily follow.
There’s a 1927 silent movie depicting these events: The Battles of Coronel and Falkland Islands.
Worth a watch if you can find it.
Is on BluRay
Drach has a masterful turn of phrase when it comes to hyperbole.
“Scharnhorst hoisted a flag. Engage enemy, full speed ahead” I want this tattooed on my face.
and in a strange game related twist:
*Nurnberg warily creeping upto the motionless body of Monmouth*: "Hello? ... Mr. British Guy?"
*Monmouth sudden comes alive with a zombie snarl and lunges at Nurnberg*
*Nurnberg screams and open fires at Monmouth while getting away*
Sonic Unleashed reference?
"Fisher was being dusted off".....wonderful.....
The incredibly huge number of casualties in naval battles has always made me rather sick, when I contemplate their last moments. How wasteful! How terribly destructive…
I had almost no luck understanding James!
Another very good review. The real blame for the loss at Coronel lies with the Admiralty especially Churchill and Battenberg who should have foreseen the strategic situation in the Pacific and deployed adequate forces there before war broke out. Cradock did his duty and the fine memorial to him in York Minster reflects a man 'upholding the fine tradition of the British Navy'.
Nice touch, the hymn at the end, "Eternal Father" if I'm not mistaken.
I live at about 50km / 30 miles from Coronel, in Chile. We have a small monolith to that battle at a park right by the coastline, with bronze plaques that read the same as stated in the end message of this video, and bronze carvings of the silouttes of both sunken ships.
We locals know that battle as "Batalla Naval de Coronel". Give it a search, you'll find some nice pictures
I think it's better when Drach narrates the entire thing the german narrator sounds like he's calling in from a 2 way radio. UPDATE: after listining to Channel Dash maybe that was the point, just needs to be louder I can barely hear him... Tallyhoe ha ha
The German cruiser Emden was later sunk by HMAS Sydney off the Cocos Islands.
I really enjoyed this video,as I did not know much about this battle...Thank you very much
please drach, i appreciate the collaboration attempt (it was excellent in the AM6 video) but this didn't work as his voice is almost unlistenable
have to agree there.
Yeah - while an interesting video overall, the Shipyards contribuition take down the greater whole - wgile Drach is eminently good at enunciation, James unfortunately is not, sound levels varying too much as well...
He was alright and did have something to contribute, we are spoiled as we have Drach.
Based on what I'm hearing, you can tell James is reading into a microphone, with the dips in volume when he's doing the reading.
For a good laugh, turn on the automated Closed Captioning when he speaks. The results are less than encouraging. All TH-camrs should strive to, at a minimum, achieve the level of their language's CC system. There are massive differences between British English pronunciation and American English pronunciation and that's fair, but good god. He is NOT an experienced speaker. There are real dialect issues at work here. Shipyard, I love you, but you would benefit from a speaking coach.
When you listen, you can clearly make out which narrator has been doing it for a long time and which narrators have not
I love the last part that u gave proper mention and respect for those who die in the battle. Sorry for my poor English.
Your sound levels from the various sources were extremely different. I had to constantly adjust.
Unlike some commentors, I didn't find it at all difficult to understand James when he was speaking. But there may be issues with sound levels and diction that will surely be resolved with practice. No need to throw the binoculars overboard! Thanks very much to all involved for an exciting and interesting report - and an extra thanks for the tribute at the end.
A thumbs up before I watch. Your presentation never disappoints.
Watch many of your videos, very well done, and very informative, and you have the best intro music in the business. Thank you blessings
A great commentary on a WW I sea battle that involved 4-armored cruisers, four light cruisers, one AMC (Otranto) cruiser. This video has been well researched with emphasis given to the mechanics, the speeds, the background of the warships involved, the two Admirals, and their gallant crews. The battle itself, under 11-1-14 conditions, should not have been engaged by Admiral Craddock. He should have broke up his squadron and fell back on the pre-dreadnought Canopus, that was struggling to catch up. Her 12-inch rifles could have aided Craddock, my modest opinion. Craddock did not expect to see the whole German squadron, but was on the scout for a single German light cruiser he thought was lurking about, NOT the whole German squadron! Thank you again for this great video on a seldom covered sea battle.
Craddock should've had a battlecruiser, not a clapped out battleship and cruiser.
A 36 minute long 5 min guide.....fantastic!
Self isolating with what’s probably nothing more than a nasty cold, I’m just gonna lay back and enjoy this!
Yeah I'm the same, exploring Drach's back catalogue, even the computer voice. Take care and look after yourself
I had enormous difficulty making out a large proportion of what the second narrator (James) was saying, and had to keep going back to re-listen - sometimes multiple times - to work out what the words he was saying actually were. He needs significant practice at delivering clear diction!
In the future, switch on the subtitles in settings. I find them handy sometimes. Particularly in this case. Fun collaboration never the less. : )
@@Knuck_Knucks Doh! Homer moment! Thx!
@@Knuck_Knucks When I checked the captions, the words seemed correct...but the sentences they were part of didn't make sense with those words. :|
@@mysss29 Yeah, the captioning is often "auto generating" meaning the captioning is trying its best to interpret what is said. Depending on how the person speaks, the auto captioning might combine two separate words into one. It isn't always perfect. Particularly with this video! : )
I often us it on Jordan Peterson Lectures so I can hang on every work...
Was the Canopus' chief engineer a former Russian officer from the Kamchatka? Or is going mad an acceptable form of dealing with naval bureaucracy?
I kid, of course; in reality I'm curious what exactly happened with that guy to cause all of those problems.
Me, I'm curious as to why he hadn't been relieved of duty and replaced with the assistant chief engineer when his behavior became more and more erratic.
My grandfather was a retired Chief Petty Officer, then a Commissioned Boatman in the Coast Guard. As such he was a naval reservist summoned to Plymouth in Sept 1914, luckily arriving too late to be assigned to Good Hope, and instead went on Argonaut.
Great video, but sounds like the other reader's been soaked in grog
That Walnut is the source of all nut allergies. Load the TARDIS anyway.
Interesting battle. I love these WW1 cruiser battles
Great video. Read an article about this battle recently. I hope that the battle off the Falklands will be covered soon.
suggestion for the Falklands followup; more charts of the ships-armaments, animated maps of the contacts, firings, event timelines - its just easier to follow. Otherwise I like the scope, the background, the details and the narrations. but level out the audios. Great job.
And to think I live only a few hours away from Coronel.
Paradox Less Eres de Concepción?
@@thepedrothethethe6151 Solo un poco más al norte
suggestion - at 18:30 ship-guns rundown, a chart or table would be much easier to follow.
Morning Drach. Thank you for making my morning better.
Another AWESOME video. Thank you much.
For James, the shipyard, I have a small request. Could you speak just a little slower, just a little please?
I enjoy collaborations like these very much.
For Drach, thank you for doing all this work and research. Many times I knew a bit about something, but without any details. Thank you VERY much, for filling those blanks.
Cheers, salut, shokdi, langevar, nastrovia, proost.
turn your captions on.
@@WALTERBROADDUS Not helping.
The TARDIS as a cross temporal meteor artillery spotter... Just sooo cool 😅
I’d love to see something on the USS Oregon City, i think it holds some distinction for being such a large ship named after a small city. It was also a lead ship of her class.
I simply do not understand those of you who watch these videos from moment they come out. I have to make note of them and exactly when I can have perfectly quiet time where I am fully prepared to be comfortable and completely immersed. I'm not going to miss a single second. And it's always worth the effort. This one especially.
It was hard to understand the other guy's narration.
Same here. Missed a lot of his narration.
Very well done! Thank you for this presentation. You are both to be commended.
James could occassionally be difficult to understand, but otherwise it didn't bother me too much and I enjoyed the collaboration.
Just like Bernhard in MHV, James would definitely improve and his old accent would be viewed as a legacy for a time when his channel is still young.
Props to the Shipyard chap for trying, but he really should check on his speaking pattern, rythm and speed. Especially the speed.
on days when i feel like utter shit i can rely on drachisms to cheer me up
The miscommunication with the Admiralty turned a potential disaster into a tragedy. I can't stand it when good men and their officers are killed in an unintended battle that they could have otherwise survived.
why does the old quote "lions lead by donkeys" seem so appropriate on the total mishandling of all of this by the admiralty?
Drachinifel, your voice is laid-back, comforting, a mite ironic and thoroughly understandable. Mr Ratte's voice, with its staccato delivery, and further degraded by poor sound quality, is just not up to the task of communicating understandably. Also, the addition of static to the reports from the British / German ships is perhaps a cool effect; but where there are technical issues, as here, the effect gets in the way of fundamental comprehension.
I can dial back the radio effect, I introduced it a couple of battle reports ago to indicate a "voices from the past" feel to survivors accounts.
@@Drachinifel "Mr Ratte's voice, with its staccato delivery, and further degraded by poor sound quality, is just not up to the task of communicating understandably" Have to agree completely with that part.
I disagree. Maybe it's variations in sound systems, but I found NapalmRatte easily understandable, but James quite a bit less so.
Oh that HMS Canubus...!!! One of the most fiddly bastard 22" inch long models I ever made, the hull was car body filler on a rigid foam base, the barbette guns plastistrut pipe, the gun barrels were sleeved brass/turned rod. I did the rigging 3 times until a mate at BT furnished me with some ultra fine wire. As for all the hand-rails I did them as per the picture with the canvas in place. The Martian Fighting Machine... that was a lot easier. Yes... missing the anti torpedo booms and two barbette turrets port/starboard below the main super structure... Canubus (or class) inspired the Thunderchild from Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds Album.
Genuine shivers at the end. Respect.
At 4.51 - "Outside context problem" - Is it a reference to Ian M Banks Excession ?
Give this man a cookie!
Binge watching the Drydock to catch up on all the answered questions.
Thanks for the upload - always love your vids!
Best picture of the armed merchant that could be found is one where there is literally fire coming out of one of the stacks... that's a good one there if I've ever seen one ;)
I was sold on "particularly vexing walnut" quip. I am an easy crowd to be appeased .
Loved the Tribute at the end. Nice.
I find the other bloke difficult to understand :/
sorry about that, i personally should have redid the audio before sending it over to drach, many apoligies
@@TheShipYard2i would recommend in a few acustic panel(I would recommend a DIY version) and investing a little more on a microphone or use your smartphone to record the dialog to minimise the Sound that you are speaking underwater which is acceptable if I have a speaker but unbearable to anyone using a headphone
TheShipYard I really like your spacing between words. But dont try to make up for it by trying to squeeze a three-second-word into one second. If you excuse me putting it like that.
@@seno5530 that is quite alright. i think personally, i should have read all the bits of script many more times over, so i would have been more confident. but this is a first time doing it for someone else's video and such i shall improve for next time
@@TheShipYard2 The problem seems to be the cadence of the diction you are using. Fast pronunciation of the words with irregular pauses are very difficult to understand... slower is fine, smoother is better. Dont need to rush it, there's no prize for finishing first. :-)
Iain Banks references. Wonderful, wonderful.
The raid of the Emden on Madras was so successful that the name "Emden" (or "Yemden") became a part of the local Tamil language. Akin to the boogeyman. Mothers would scold young children to behave or "Yemden" would come for them...
Just before the battle, all the flying pets...parrots etc were released and sat for a while on the aerials. There was a touching short service by a naval padre clutching the last letter from his little daughter. He knew, privately they had no hope.
My War at Sea, by Heathcoat S Grant, later an Admiral after the war, and then Captain of the Canopus is a fascinating read. He covers this, and the Falklands, where Canopus was flooded aft in harbour to provide a firing position. He eventually ended up doing battery fire at Gallipoli, firing over the heads of friends and family. He knew Canopus to be a dog, but he was implacable, always catching up, ever striving. I think it is £1 on Amazon. Truly great.
5:20....listen here for mention of Kongo-class cruisers ... and something about a walnut. :)
I didn't have a problem hearing both of you.
Few others have your wonderful voice, Drach.