A look at the Tri-ang Hornby R.54NS Australian TC Pacific with Australian liveried wagons
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- A look at the Tri-ang Hornby R.54NS Australian TC Pacific (c1971-72?) running with a hand full of Australian liveried wagons made by Hornby Railways in the 1970s kindly sent to me by Bob Impett. These wagons included. R.389 NSWR Brake Van, R.314 VR Brake Van, R.241 Coal & Allied Industries 5 plank Wagon, R388 Coal & Allied Industries 7 plank Wagon, R.386 R.W.Miller Mineral wagon, R.311 Peters Milk Tank Wagon, R.315 CIG Liquid Oxygen Wagon, R.309 Readymix Cement Wagon and R.839 ACT x3 container Liner Wagon, Again a big thank you to Bob Impett for making this video possibly. All dates are approximate Music Source / Royalty-free Apple loops/Looperman.com
Link to a great site with images and information on the TC Pacific:
tri-ang.weebly...
I can't help liking that blue brake van!
Hi it’s a great colour isn’t it. Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
You can pay a couple of hundred pounds for a loco with some expensive electrical sound system fitted to make the steam engine 'chuff' and all you really need is a two shilling metal clip and a piece of sandpaper to get the same effect. Oh and I was at my allotment yesterday, someone had spread a couple inches of earth all over it. The plot thickens!!
Today, Mr hoople, you have won the internet !!! Thanks for making us chuckle here hahaha
Good morning that little soundbox assembly in tender is a simple and affective device. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to write this lovely comment.
Oscar
Just wow Oscar ,, you have taught me so much more in the last say 8 to 10 hours of watching your videos than what I have known in the 54 trips around the sun so thanks a million for that.
My mum first started my passion of trains when i was 5yo and got a trainset for xmas 1972 that was 2 trainsets above that you showed in the catalogue and was the R614. Sadly my beautiful mum passed away in july last year and it has reignited the passion for my collecting trains again and I am leaning towards collecting lots of triang & hornby bits and a bits of everything really.
From memory the little green steam loco was connie and there was a blue insulfish van (fish van i presume haha) and a grey open wagon but the guards van was a grey type closed at the front and 1/3 of it it was open but with a roof over it.
Anyway thankyou again for your awesome & informative videos as they are making a difference not just for me but to thousands of people that you have reached out to.
Cheers from John in Australia.
Good morning John, it's great to hear how you got interested in trains and your first set, I'm sorry to hear about your mother passing away it's amazing the memories that are attached to these model railway items. I lost interest in trains in my teens and only came back a few years ago when visiting a model shop as my son had been given a train set by my mother-in-law, it was spotting the old red and yellow boxes in the second-hand section. these I was familiar with from childhood as my brother and I had an old Tri-ang Railway/Tri-ang Hornby collection passed on to us as another family member had grown out of it. That was in the mid-70s so Super 4 and Series 3 was already quite well phased out by then. My father put an 8x4 board on old table legs and we had a great time with these old items changing tracks around my brother lost interest very early on and my interest lasted till the early 80s and the introduction of Hornby Zero 1. Great memories, not just the toy trains but everything that was going on at the time and the other items that were given as gifts as birthdays and Christmas's passed by.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Simply marvelous. It is curious how this manufacturer, and Tyco, both made faint hearted stabs at the Australian market, but short lived.
So many possibilities with these trains. I wouldn't know if CIG transported liquid oxygen by rail or not but is is nice to see the familiar liveries. Adds a different dimension. Thank you.
Thanks Pauline glad to hear enjoyed seeing us on usual group of wagons from Hornby. I wonder how they went about choosing which brand names to use?
Oscar
Haha, it's nice that they went to some effort regardless of how inaccurate.
Oscar what a great video and a great chance to see something different, did not know that the tender was from the Scotsman. As we have been saying though how triang have utilised other models. Not seen any Australia stuff before this is the first for me . Thanks.
Regards Paul osman
Good evening Paul glad you enjoyed the video and seeing these interesting Australian variations. As you say they seem to have been Masters reusing existing items.
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
I haven't ran DC for many years but there used to be a few tricks those smoke units. Putting a resistor between the power lead and the motor reduces the power on the motor but not the smoke unit making it perform better at low speed. For best effect, re-magnetise the motor. Always keep oil in the smoke unit as the damaging heat happens when they run dry. I used to use baby oil, it's a lot cheaper and has a great smell. There was suggested problems with impurities in baby oil damaging the element, but I never had a problem. Perhaps I got lucky with the brand I used.
Good Morning Jules, thanks for the information and taking the time to watch its hugely appreciated.
Oscar
cheers for yet another top video Oscar... ATB Neil
Thanks Neil great to hear enjoyed it.
Stay safe.
Oscar
I always am impressed how original and almost new all your rolling stock and trains are! ☺
Thanks glad you enjoyed seeing us group of model railway items in action.
Oscar
A lovely train Oscar and a most impressive locomotive as well. That simple 'chuff chuff' mechanism is so effective isn't it. Thank you for another super video.
Good morning Mike great to hear enjoyed the video and seeing these great models.
Thanks again for watching
Oscar
More to add to the wish list. I had not seen any of those items before. Thank you Oscar. David.
Good morning David it’s a problem with Wish List’s, I don’t think they ever get any smaller!
Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
Thank you so much Oscar, full of interest and fun and love the blue brake van. I remember my father picking up a similar TC Pacific from a second hand shop c.1970. We got some damaged valve gear repaired at the local model shop and it ran fine, although I was always aware it didn't look like any of my other trains so suspected it was for another country. It still pulled my blue/grey Mk 1's and Freightliners though and what did I care aged 10. I've recently picked up some Freightliners to do it all over again, but with a diesel this time. Please do keep the films coming - essential viewing. Thanks again. Peter
Hi Peter, thanks for the great comment, as you have highlighted for many there is a huge amount play value to be had with these items especially at a younger age. Which has lead many into the hobby. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to share these great memories, Hope you have great fun with your Freightliners.
Oscar
Like your layout keep posting up videos
Thanks, will do!
Oscar
Hi Oscar, Thank you for the videos over the last few weeks. Really enjoyed this Aussie special and the Wild West set last outing. It reminded me of the first time I saw the Wild West set in Beaties shop window in New Southgate sometime in the mid sixties. I had to wait a very long time before one came my way. Pure joy. Did you know that the yellow coaches came lined and unlined? All the Best, Ian
Hi thanks for watching it must have been great seeing that wild West set in the shop window. I hadn’t realised that those coaches were available unlined. I have just got one from the railway children set which I believe is basically the same model but in a wood type affect. Sadly I don’t have the rest of the set.
Thanks again for watching
Oscar
I was never into the TC Pacific range ..but interesting to look at them here .
Thanks again for watching David, great that you found a video interesting.
Stay safe
Oscar
Hi Oscar, I don't seem to remember many of the Australian models making it to the NZ market, many of the early Triang models I have, have made in NZ with the numbers you quote, as usual fantastic video
I don't recall any of the Aus models either. from dim, distant memory there was a diesel passenger set (red diesel, red coaches; can't get much more NZR than that!) and I vaguely recall a goods set with the jinty (was there one with the Baltic tank?). Tbh, m y6b predominant memories are generally of the British market triang, but when I was schooling (70's) triang had moved on to hornby, I distinctly remember those 70's hornby catalogues, especially the '79 with the illegible script typeface... for all the better models of today, my greatest trainset was the first one I ever had a hand me down hornby O clockwork. and even my original 20's standard gauge thundering around a loop of track has a certain fantasticness that almost rekindles that first trainset. gosh, nostalgia....
Good morning Jed thanks for the information, glad you enjoyed the video.
Stay safe.
Oscar
Well that was a new great way to show off the whole train wagon by wagon while showing the while train running well done . Your comment on the break van we did have some break Van's like these but in a smaller version. The were used on coal trains in the Newcastle area . I believe. The loco I think was based on a 58 and 59 class loco but they were 2-8-2 which were a American design the tender's here in Australia nearly all had a 4 wheel tender mainly to hold more water and coal . As in countryside water towers were further apart some loco would evan have a water tanker connect to the loco. Thanks Oscar great video
Hi Mark glad you enjoyed that and thank you for the information it’s much appreciated. Just been having a look at the look at the locomotives you mention. This old Tri-ang designed model seems to have similarities with a number of locomotives from around the globe.
Oscar
What can i say again very good video the train not my cup of tea but great video Oscar i am waiting for my turntable to come hope you are keeping well Mel nz
Good morning Mel thanks for watching. Hope your turntable arrives soon. Which type are you waiting for?
Stay safe.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar for another very interesting and informative video. Gives me a fix that lasts the week these!
Good morning John, great to hear you enjoyed the video.
Oscar
I remember when I was a lot younger when I was glued to the triang catalogues dreaming of a blue Pullman, like most kids, we were very keen on our local railways. For us, what really mattered was having the correct livery, and things like wheel arrangements mattered only years later when we aged. the Baltic tank in black, the red streamlined diesel, red coaches, that was the must haves. (I'm an ex-pat kiwi btw). I know there's so much criticism of hornby tinplate, and dublo when it came out just recolouring one loco is enough for a different railway, or even a different country. I think our perspectives are from an adults point of view, for me being 8 or 9 or whatever it was colour. the blue transcontinental coaches were a no, red ones yes as NZ's coaches were always red. diesels were always red, steam black. the transcontinental loco is interesting having the flying Scotsman tender
Good morning I think you’re right there.It really was all about play value and engagement with the customers creating a loyal following. I think the pressure was on by the end of the seventies to create more accurate models as many who had grown up with these wonderful play items now demanded more accurate models as their interest in the hobby developed. Thanks again for watching and take the time to write this terrific comment it’s hugely appreciated.
Oscar
Great video Oscar it looks like a very nice locomotive
Thank you very much!
Oscar
Hi Oscar, I am yet to see one of those blue brake vans in Australia. The one you have looks pristine, as does the NSWR van. Great train set though, terrific rake of carriages too. I was just looking through my shelves of wagons, alas no Australian stock. might have to keep an eye out. Great background again, thanks mate.
Good morning Stephen the blue VR Brake Van from what I read was only made a relatively small numbers about 4700 across the two different wheel types between 1974 and 76. As a sort of comparison 62000 were made of the R016 the BR Brake Van with a white roof between 1973 and 75 and another 64000 when it changed to silver seal wheels between 76 and 79. Great to hear enjoyed seeing these models on the railway. I had never come across any of this Australian stock myself until Bob had sent these to me. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to comment hugely appreciated.
Oscar
I love the friendship on this channel bob give you those wagons in these days it nice to see good old fashioned kindness ,great posting triang/hornby were good in putting U.K. models in overseas liveries I would love a hymek in the orange and black Irish livery ,being 3/4 Irish third generation would be nice 😊,the tank wagons too I have some from then and new ones and with modern printing and paint finish still look good just couplings over size by today’s standards ,on last thing hornby and Lima done an XPT version of the HST love one too but from the prices I’ve seen I’ll need a mortgage to get one ,😂😂😂😂,all the best Oscar look forward to next posting and be safe to you and family ,kind regards ,Mark 👍🏻😊
Hi Mark, glad you enjoyed seeing that collection of wagon Bob had sent me, it was very kind of him. I had not come across any of these before having only seen pictures in Pat Hammonds books. I had see the odd XPT for sale on that action site and there was CIE Hymek available about 18 month's on tri-angman.co.uk/shop/ as well as a couple CIE Mk2 coaches. As you say the prices were quite impressive.
Thanks again
Oscar
Excellent video the R54NS with A3 tender is a very sought after model these days.
Thanks Peter glad you enjoyed seeing this locomotive in action.
Oscar
Hello Oscar, some very interesting items to look at today. Those open wagons look particularly great. I like the comparison towards the end with the locomotives together. It's fascinating to see how they develop over the years and of course your acetate example is lovely to see. The locomotive still runs beautifully even if it has had a lot of use, I notice it's a particularly smooth runner on your rolling road with nice true running wheels. Best regards to you
Good morning Mr Snooze, defiantly an odd group of models produced by Hornby, it seems that they really didn't try hard enough with the Australian market at the time. These TC Pacific's are lovely looking models and very long running, the acetate version is strong favourite in my collection and makes such beautiful noise when running.
Thanks again.
Oscar
so 1542 is supposed to be a later "Australian" version. I always assumed 1542 was the first version since it had an LNER tender compared to the accurate tender of 2335 (2335's tender would've been more accurate for Australia too)
I do like the VR blue brake van. Australian brake vans tended to look like box vans with a clerestory in the roof, while others resembled baggage cars. The rest of the wagons seem to resemble those that were used in Australia at some point in time
Oscar, I am always in favour of being kind to X-04s, so I was thinking that also removing the gearing for the syncrosmoke piston may also reduce the current load. Especially now that this vid has documented how it works for everyone. Keeping it in a safe place in the box of course.
Good morning job you’re right I really should have removed the cog on the smoke unit if not the entire unit perhaps. And keep it safe for later use. Thanks again for watching.
Oscar
Think I can remember the set in the 1972 catalogue . Interesting video Oscar. Must admit don’t know anything about the Australian models .. lol you found it on 72 catalogue
Good morning Russell, glad you found the video interesting. I had not know a great deal about these wagons apart from what Ive read in Pat Hammonds book but had suspected that Hornby may have used a fair bit of artistic licence in there creation. John D in the comments below has given some great information about the these wagons and there link's to the Australian railways and the reception they received on the Australian market.
Thanks again.
Oscar
Nice one Oscar! Such a shame that the smoke unit puts such a strain on the motor, I would have loved to have seen it working.
Regards
Kev.
Hi Kev, definitely going to have to have a video soon with the smoke units running was plenty of smoke! and speed!
Thanks again for watching
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Smoke & speed will be fantastic!!!
Goodmorning Oscar the turntable is screwed on 12mm mfd board it seems alright keep good health Mel nz
Just getting a Hornby one hope it goes right Mel nz
Good morning Mel I think keeping them flat is the key to good running. Please let me know how you get on.
Stay safe
Oscar
this is a great look thank you. your camera is very good.
Hi good morning thanks for watching glad you enjoyed the video.
Oscar
it's funny, Hornby about a year later did a Z van which is the same Guards van the VR used, I've got one and it runs far better than the more modern ones that are detailed and right scale, the only downside was that they were orange, but with a repaint they look like the exact same thing.
I'm suprised that they didn't do a South Maitland Guards van with the repainted Guards vans as they are very similar to the real ones they used to use back in the 70's
Hi thanks for watching and taking the time to comment with his great information. I’ve not yet seen one of these models in real life. I’ve seen a couple of pictures of them. Pat Hammond’s book suggests that they may have been a short batch made in maroon as well.
Stay safe
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley I think the orange came from using a faded slide that at the time was sold in rail enthusiast stores. I can confirm a later model made in a red much closer the VR red used by Z vans. Is sold at a premium at swap meets being much rarer.
Also sold in an american set with strange American-ish rolling stock
Thanks again for the information Raymond it’s hugely appreciated. I bet that would be fairly rare and sort after set today.
Stay safe.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley They were only sold in canada and on ebay they seem to be gong for at least $300.00 USD, looks like I'll be sticking to Tyco, Mehano, AHM, lima etc. when I get back into trains.
It might be worth noting that this Tri-ang 1954 tooled Pacific here was based on a Canadian Pacific G3d locomotive. Triang even using the running number from a CPR official portrait. tri-ang.weebly.com/4-6-2-steam-loco--tender.html
The Scotsman type tender was unlike any of the Australian all bogie tenders used for locomotives of this size. The choice is more likely being cheaper to use existing recent Scotsman tooling than repair the 1954 tooling, especially since it needed special die cast bogies. The sound unit was a bonus gimmick for sales that was an attraction. Although an eight wheeled rigid frame was unlike anything in Australia at least it had eight wheels like so many tenders in Australia.
The whole loco package was so unlike anything in Australia, that it was not well received as an Australian locomotive. The push back against these models added to the spark of local model companies starting up as the widespread view was not to expect Hornby to provide anything accurate for local modelers. In the Weebly arrticle there is a name very significant to the development of scale modelling in Australia especially Victorian Railways. He also has a major interest in vintage Tri-ang. He has provided many articles and info on the subject.
I recall these were not reviewed in the local model magazines. Usually a sign that they did not have much good to say about them when compared to other new local products.
This contributed to making these models cheap and available here for quite a period.
Now there is a different view of them, so glad I got good examples when I saw them going cheaply.
Good morning John, again what you say about the model not been well received in Australia it’s sort of what I was thinking but didn’t know for sure. Great to hear you managed to acquire yourself one when they were going to bargain price. Thanks again for this great information.
Oscar
Thanks for this coverage Oscar. This was from a period when Lima were starting to make much more accurate models of Australian railway equipment. Most of these Hornby responses did not find many buyers here. The blue Victorian Railways brake van was like nothing on the VR in colour or design. The standard VR guards van from even the 1860s to the 1980s was a 6 or 4 wheel birdcage van like the one here : th-cam.com/video/PsclMyi4Zto/w-d-xo.html. Late in the same film you will see rare colour film of the Spirit of Progress S class 3 cylinder pacific shortly before they were all scrapped in 1954. Hornby did produce a pilot model of this iconic class but it did not go ahead.
To try and satisfy the complaints about the VR van they made a much better model a little later as R331 www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=1498
I think they got the initial wrong orange colour for this from a very faded colour slide that was for sale here at the time. Still not successful when later colour corrected given its price and OO based compromises. Dumped in NSW supermarkets for 50c each when being cleared out. If VR modellers in Victoria knew about that price they would have bought dozens.
Some of the guards vans have found other uses eg. As used by this recent visitor from Wales :
th-cam.com/video/CRXx7XhmelE/w-d-xo.html I came across im March.
A lot more info on VR guards vans here : www.victorianrailways.net/guards%20vans/guardshome.html
Good morning John, glad you enjoyed seeing this group of models. Your comment confirms what I was thinking that these models were not very well received. Thanks for the great information and the links, loved seeing the early colour footage, I have seen pictures of the Hornby proposed models of the Spirit of Progress in Pat Hammonds book.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
Great video again Oscar I have a Albert Hall with the chuff sound sadly broken any ideas on repairing that ?
It seems to be the brass piece with sandpaper on that’s snapped
i ve made mine ,im sure oscar will tell you how to replace your broken part.
If you have the 2 parts still you can solder then together using a slip of brass as a support. Possibly a cut down Triang carbon brush. However you really want a piece of spring material to make a new arm. It's like to be beryllium copper rather than brass. You can cut it to size with scissors. I'm not home at moment but will look at what's inside my chuffing B12 and try to help with more ideas. Regards Gary
Good evening Darren, I have only repaired these before by sticking a pice of fine sand paper where it had been worn away, I haven yet had the metal arm broken. But I have been thinking about making a sound box from scratch and using Phosphor Bronze Strip to make the new arm as I have a model with the sound box missing. Phosphor Bronze Strip is often used for making replacement pickups for these old models and is available on that well know auction site. I was hoping it would be robust enough for the job, but have yet to try it.
Hope this was of some help.
thanks for watching.
Oscar
Turns out it wasn’t damaged I should of looked properly, the part was removed by my father just the scrapper off the axle which I’ve refitted it’s as good as new now thank you for your suggestions 👍🏻
@@djdaz72 brilliant ! Nice to be able to enjoy it as designed
have you got a hornby R317 S class diesel to go with the VR brake van? There's one on ebay right now!
Hi Matt, I don't one of those. Thanks for watching and the information.
Oscar
Coal and Allied crews on some of the last working steam in Australia as late as 1986 :
th-cam.com/video/ljdSNPLTvIE/w-d-xo.html
On the extensive private coal lines near Newcastle and Maitland.
No sign of anything looking like or lettered like the Hornby model. Still becoming a collectable rarity after many years of being passed over at local Australian swap meets.
Some end platform brake vans a little closer to the Hornby NSWR version, but still a long way off : th-cam.com/video/rTQWYB1R3lY/w-d-xo.html
Again now being sought after.
Hornby missed out with the Peters Milk tank as none ran like this. However the Victorian Railways did have some louver van painted advertising Peters Ice Cream as U 1016 running as late as 1976. One illustrated about half way down the page here :
www.victorianrailways.net/freight/freight%20pages/uvans/u2nd.html
Being the then main Australian ice cream, especially in Victoria, anything labelled Peters had a widespread attraction.
One of numerous companies that paid the VR to paint their advertising on VR vans from the 1920s to 1970s. These vans generate a lot of interest from modellers . Quite out of proportion to the numbers that ran in these schemes but they look good in a train.
In recent years Auscision models found they had a very in demand product when making HO models of these variations. They quickly sold out advertising U and T vans that actually existed for many years :
www.auscisionmodels.com.au/Advertising%20U%20Van%20Page.htm
www.auscisionmodels.com.au/Advertising%20U%20Van%20Series%202.htm
www.auscisionmodels.com.au/Advertising%20T%20Vans.htm
A market that Hornby were insulated from in concentrating on fictional models.
Thanks again John these link's are great and a terrific insight in to advertising on the railways in Australia, I love the black and whites images of the U's and seeing the advertising/ typography used is amazing I particularly like the Sunshine biscuits one. Auscision Models look to have produced some terrific variation's.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Agree with your choice of the Sunshine Biscuits scheme. This was the choice of many leading to it being sold out within hour in the buying frenzy for these vans when first released at the Auscision exhibition stand at a Melbourne exhibition several years ago.
Also fueled by memories of the Sunshine brand "jam" centred biscuit from many in their youth. A special occasion biscuit for many.
This was the one I missed out on as I was working on another exhibition stand.
One dilemma for model companies is that these vans were just about only seen in that state of Victoria and infrequently South Australia since they ran on 1600mm gauge only. So possibly just an insight in to advertising on the railways in Victoria only. But one of the benefits for modellers in other areas to model the Victorian Railways or just use rule 1.
The only RW Miller coal transport I have seen is on road trucks like the one in this Government eduactional film for schools that I recalled :
th-cam.com/video/bEFNsZ4qynE/w-d-xo.html
When I first saw it I thought "Thats where Hornby got the livery from". So a near miss.
Although C&A was a large coal operator, I do not recall seeing any photos of the wagons that used in the Hornby style livery. Would be happy to be proved wrong.
So some more fictional liveries that the then declining share of the railway market that were toy focused as opposed to those wanting models of something they saw. Perhaps explains why they were short lived.
Good morning John thanks again for the information about Hornby's choice of liveries for these wagons and link to the great video. Lovely line at the end of the video "you will soon see that roads are helping our country to grow"
Oscar