man i love paladin and been looking for a ret streamer/youtuber for ages, i wasnt a fan of herald/TS but tried your build in a few bgs and i gotta say it feels a lot smoother than the templer autoattack build ive been using since release. great content, gained a new sub for sure
I just dinged 80 and got full greens. Herald is hitting like a truck in the first bgs i tried. I ll do more testing tonight. Thank you for your detailed guide, we appreciate it a lot.
Thank you very much for all the info presented in a realistic way. You've got macros, builds, and timestamps to find in the description! Great vid man!
still loving Templar over Herald even if i like Herald aswell thats the reason i got like multiple paladins to gearing them in multiple ways and do tons of test even with stats comps, i really believe that 1 min burst with AW Might even if its nerfed with Templar has a reason to exist, builded full crit vers on my first ret with aw might and reaching almost 30% crit without enchants, gems, the difference in terms of burst and sustained is alot in my opinion xpecially for the burst. Btw great video as always keep going and do the Ret Job ^_^ for all the Ret community. Peace
i was thinking the same of instant cast flahs light, the amount healed is not good enough in pvp. Maybe in pve helps more but that 6 seconds delay for that little healing doesnt worth it. Thanks for the videos i allways wait for them to have another perspective of this amazing class! God save ret paladins!
Best Pally builder for sure. I’m sorry I’m new. Why did you put points in Heart of the Crusader when you use Templar Strikes and not the auto attack Crusading Strikes. Would that benefit from Heart of the Crusader and not Templar Strikes?
Ma bo' Laden you make the Light bringer himself proud! ... RET Good, whats the addon that shows you Hammer of Wrath is ready on your rotation showcase?
Thanks for this detailed guide, i got 80 today on my pala and im gonna spend tomorrow farming honor! I do hope a CS build becomes viable again in the future cause im not a fan of TS 😂
great video mate just tried it :D feels good! question : which piece we do at catalyst? stats are a bit fucked up on them with the crit. The results from testing it are : final verdict : 538k hammer of wrath got a : 1.5m crit dawnlight dot : average 96k / crit 136k templar slash dot: 129k judgment: 272k templar slash: 420k wake of ashes : average 324k / crit 449k highlord judgment : 291k templar strike: 226k numbers cant lie mate :D
Hey dude, great vid! Question about your burst rotation. I notice you mentioned to use boj when above 35% hp after your initial opener. Im curious why you would not have expurg on the target for your burst, to amplify those dots further? would it make sense to just add a boj infront of the judgement even if it wastes a holy power? thanks in advance (:
Inserting a blade of justice prior to the burst would take away a valuable global for minimal damage increase. Expurgation is only valuable for proccing blessing of anshe, it doesn’t really do too much damage.
Thoughts on using final reck with executioner's will? Prob a bit less damage overall but will be available for every go and aligns almost perfectly with the crusade duration proc from wake. Seems like you will get some decent hits if you crit an An'she proc
Do you not find Hammer of Wrath, hits harder than TS? Like what's your priority system because a lot of high rated Pallies, arnt running TS, simply due to it clogging the rotation. Burst for me = Judge > Stun > Final Reck > Wake of Ashes > FV x2 > Hammer of Wrath > FV > Divine Toll > FV > Hammer I just find the strength of Radiant, is the increased access to Hammer of Wrath which TS stops us from using? Just looking at your damage profile I just wonder if spamming those Hammer of Wraths would make up the difference between TS.
Templar slash hits harder than hammer of wrath thats why. Remember the slash also has a 50% Dot attached to it. It also cleaves. The only time hammer of wrath hits harder than templar slash is during a blessing of anshe proc in execute range.
@@LvladenPvPYou may be ontop something :p but been following all the top Rets, and havent seen anyone else pick it up. Seems like the reward isn't worth the extended rotation tbh. Also have to remember TS, is 2 globals, you're saying those combined out damage two hammer of wraths? So are you only using BOJ on dot re-fresh, and when they're out if range if TS? Like is BOJ now just mega fill for you?
@@suhdoekin8998 Lvlden burst rotation is best case scenario keep that in mind (he also got lucky with wings proc on both examples extending his wings window that wont always happen) in his example the enemy player just stood there... this never happens in live scenarios and so TS is risky because your not always going to be able to use 2 globals in melee range to get it off, rule of thumb should be if you are in range use TS were possible in burst but if you cant subbing in 2 HoW is the safer way to do it, I mainly use avenging wrath and execution sentence and mine looks like this - At 0 or 1 HP (with at least 2 greater judgment debuffs on target) BOJ, execution sentence, wake, FV, FV HoW, HoW, FV. If you get lucky and the opponent is less then 35% after the 2nd FV and you have Blessing of anshe proc the HoW will do massive damage. in Avenging wrath your HoW are + 20 crit chance as well. BOJ + expurgation does do more damage then HoW out side 35% hp in current tuning and TS should be prioritised when in range to use it, but I wouldn't save it for wake window as you need to use TS when you can/If you can. Hope this helps.
Btw haste stat ratio should be a factor of 1 like all other stats right now, but even with full haste gear around 10k haste u still below 20% and it feels clunky.
Was trying to do some testing but wondering what is better with this macro. There is the trinket you currently have which is alarcity and has the chance to grant 3,786 primary stat for 15 seconds and is based off chance. However if you use the badge of ferocity in the macro with wake of ashes in your rotation then every 2x use you will have a guaranteed extra 4486 on your rotation for strength/burst. Every other time you get wings. #showtooltip Wake of Ashes /cast Wake of Ashes /use 13 Thoughts on if this might be better?
The scaling in PvP is also better, with ferocity on strength. The key differences being that the one you are currently uses being. 5 second longer duration, random chance vs guaranteed use with burst, and weaker by 1500 or so strength when scaled
Hey, thanks for the video. Do you think the on-use trinket will be superior to the passive one with Radiant Glory? Just bind it in with Wake and have an amped window every other Wake? I'm fairly new so not sure on the reliability of the passive one's proc rate.
I use the on use when playing radiant glory for Templar. I macro it in with final reckoning. With herald I play the proc because it’s up a decent amount of the time anyway.
You'll likely judge and blade on your way in, you'll need the HP anyhow, and you want the dot out and blade CD running while you cast other stuff. And you should divine toll sooner to get the extra holy power generating for your final verdict window. BUT since you wont have wings up until you're in wake range and wake gives you HP and a DP, the window is closing by the time you get a chance to dine toll... which is why i dont run that wake/wings talent, its too restrictive with the wake setup. I'm going to try the templars strikes but I dont really like them for pvp, too many GCD, and needs melee range. imo its for pve. wings, judge, blade, hammer of wrath, final verdict, tv, divine toll, tv, tv, wake, tv, tv, judge, tv, blade, wrath, tv, wrath, judge, etc.
Is crit worth that much? I know you want to get the Templars strike crit burn and the burnes to ash crit. But I dont think downlight dots or suns avatar dots can crit can they? I read that somewhere.
Is it just me or does suns avatar not apply dawn lights to you when you press wake of ashes with radiant glory talented. Because according to suns avatar tooltip, it should immediately apply dawnlights and if there are no allies arouns, it is not even apply dawnlight to myself
Something must be buggy with eternal flame/wog cause sometimes it heals like a loh and sometimes like nothing. It was way different in df. Haven’t fact checked it yet but just kinda of feeling
I just realized the issue with your build after a lot of testing. Because dawnlights do not stack, there is no point in running radiant glory because when you press wake of ashes, your next 2 spenders will cast a dawnlight, and if you activate crusade, you cast 4 auto dawnlights. So by running radiant glory you instantly lose dawnlights because of overlap.
@@LvladenPvP So every extra dawnlight gives 8 more seconds on top of the previous? So let's say you can do 2x spender + 1x dl from radiant glory. So that's 24 sec of dawnlight?
Do you think Templar it’s viable for rbgs and solo shuffle? I know it’s viable in terms of fun, but if we want to be useful for the team. I find Herald more PvP oriented than Templar but I’m curious about your opinion. Thanks!
mate nice vedios but plz plz can u tell me which one is the best talents build for pvp im so lost here want to know which one is the best to stay with it
I've been disheartened by my ret. It feels like I do way less damage, do way less healing and everything just globals me. I also don't have much in the way of pvp gear but does pvp gear make that much of a difference?
Yeah I'm only getting 800 to 1.1 mill non crits for Templars strike. My feral druid combo move does that much. Gunna be playing that till pally fixed. On a side not wtf is up with versatility?!?! My % so low even tho it's so high
I was hoping in the prepatch that this will not happen. I don't wanna be no sun cringe ahh paladin from tauren made up lore. I want to use TEMPLAR and smash heathen with a holy nuke. Ofc the cringe spec will be meta -_- sadge
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Love how you are constantly updating and putting out content with new guides for ret. Appreciate you brother!
Still the best intro music of any pvp channel
It aint a lvladen pvp video with out it
Yep I have to agree
It takes me back to 2007
yes!
Pretty nice detailed guide. You sir are helping lots of Paladins out there who seek information regarding their class.
Love your videos man! Keep the retri dream alive!
Edit: the problem is that I cannot press like more than once 😢
Thanks for the video! Very informative as usual!
I learned to 2 shot on a pally thanks to you back in Shadowlands S1.
This build is amazing! I tried it once on my Paladin and I could feel the difference right away from what I was playing! Thank you very much!
Thanks for all the hard work. I've seen plenty of ret with the big 5HP big shot but I'll try the Aun'she tree.
man i love paladin and been looking for a ret streamer/youtuber for ages, i wasnt a fan of herald/TS but tried your build in a few bgs and i gotta say it feels a lot smoother than the templer autoattack build ive been using since release. great content, gained a new sub for sure
He one of the only ret players left most reroll sadly
I just dinged 80 and got full greens. Herald is hitting like a truck in the first bgs i tried. I ll do more testing tonight. Thank you for your detailed guide, we appreciate it a lot.
Thank you very much for all the info presented in a realistic way. You've got macros, builds, and timestamps to find in the description! Great vid man!
still loving Templar over Herald even if i like Herald aswell thats the reason i got like multiple paladins to gearing them in multiple ways and do tons of test even with stats comps, i really believe that 1 min burst with AW Might even if its nerfed with Templar has a reason to exist, builded full crit vers on my first ret with aw might and reaching almost 30% crit without enchants, gems, the difference in terms of burst and sustained is alot in my opinion xpecially for the burst. Btw great video as always keep going and do the Ret Job ^_^ for all the Ret community. Peace
Great ret guide man, just started watching your videos since pre patch and they’ve been amazing!
Yess I was waiting for one of your video after the release! Gonna try this for sure!
Loved this one! Thanks alot def gonna go back and check it out later!
Thanks my guy. I love your videos. I’ve been popping off on my ret
This guy has the best and most helpful tips and advice love his videos
Thanks for guide dude you’re legend. I’m loving ret atm😚
Great guide as usual. Can you give us like a prot gameplay for us prot enjoyers 😂, to see where it's at atm, that would be great!
I will do my best
Freaking Amazing, thank you for all your research and number crunching :D
that was Awesome, I'm a new player. it's a little over whelming at times.
i was thinking the same of instant cast flahs light, the amount healed is not good enough in pvp. Maybe in pve helps more but that 6 seconds delay for that little healing doesnt worth it. Thanks for the videos i allways wait for them to have another perspective of this amazing class! God save ret paladins!
Best Pally builder for sure. I’m sorry I’m new. Why did you put points in Heart of the Crusader when you use Templar Strikes and not the auto attack Crusading Strikes. Would that benefit from Heart of the Crusader and not Templar Strikes?
I have actually been waiting for three days for your new video. Thank God it is finally out.
Really good guide, thank you!
This video is pure gold!
Great video, super helpful!
Thanks for the content Lvl. Are you going to make a pvp gearing guide?
Check the description for my icy veins guide on gear and enchants :)
Amazing thank you for all your effort!
Ma bo' Laden you make the Light bringer himself proud! ... RET Good, whats the addon that shows you Hammer of Wrath is ready on your rotation showcase?
Awesome awesome guide!
great video man! keep it up! subbed :)
I think the shoulder armor on your icon needs to be larger in relation to the head
Thanks for this detailed guide, i got 80 today on my pala and im gonna spend tomorrow farming honor! I do hope a CS build becomes viable again in the future cause im not a fan of TS 😂
I have crusading strikes builds on my icy veins guide that you can copy. It’s still playable if you don’t like Templar strike
great video mate just tried it :D feels good! question : which piece we do at catalyst? stats are a bit fucked up on them with the crit.
The results from testing it are :
final verdict : 538k
hammer of wrath got a : 1.5m crit
dawnlight dot : average 96k / crit 136k
templar slash dot: 129k
judgment: 272k
templar slash: 420k
wake of ashes : average 324k / crit 449k
highlord judgment : 291k
templar strike: 226k
numbers cant lie mate :D
Check out link in description for gear and enchants! The icy veins link
@@LvladenPvP thank you
How do you feel about the mastering Nerf and the overall 5% damage increase to all holy spells
its a nothing change rn tbh maybe 1% buff
It’s pretty much a net neutral change.
Hey dude, great vid! Question about your burst rotation. I notice you mentioned to use boj when above 35% hp after your initial opener. Im curious why you would not have expurg on the target for your burst, to amplify those dots further? would it make sense to just add a boj infront of the judgement even if it wastes a holy power? thanks in advance (:
Inserting a blade of justice prior to the burst would take away a valuable global for minimal damage increase. Expurgation is only valuable for proccing blessing of anshe, it doesn’t really do too much damage.
Thoughts on divine storm over final verdict? Feels smoother to me and the damage isn’t too different when built for it
Thoughts on using final reck with executioner's will? Prob a bit less damage overall but will be available for every go and aligns almost perfectly with the crusade duration proc from wake. Seems like you will get some decent hits if you crit an An'she proc
thanks a loooooootttt for this video
What do u think about the new race and retri ? Good combo with 10% more defense ?
Nice video as always, could you update the talents link it says: The loadout you are trying to import was saved from an old version.
Are the other builds still good or are you just going with Herald?
Still playing both. I just think the average player will have the most success with this build.
Do you not find Hammer of Wrath, hits harder than TS? Like what's your priority system because a lot of high rated Pallies, arnt running TS, simply due to it clogging the rotation.
Burst for me = Judge > Stun > Final Reck > Wake of Ashes > FV x2 > Hammer of Wrath > FV > Divine Toll > FV > Hammer
I just find the strength of Radiant, is the increased access to Hammer of Wrath which TS stops us from using? Just looking at your damage profile I just wonder if spamming those Hammer of Wraths would make up the difference between TS.
Templar slash hits harder than hammer of wrath thats why. Remember the slash also has a 50% Dot attached to it. It also cleaves. The only time hammer of wrath hits harder than templar slash is during a blessing of anshe proc in execute range.
@@LvladenPvPYou may be ontop something :p but been following all the top Rets, and havent seen anyone else pick it up. Seems like the reward isn't worth the extended rotation tbh. Also have to remember TS, is 2 globals, you're saying those combined out damage two hammer of wraths? So are you only using BOJ on dot re-fresh, and when they're out if range if TS? Like is BOJ now just mega fill for you?
@@suhdoekin8998 Lvlden burst rotation is best case scenario keep that in mind (he also got lucky with wings proc on both examples extending his wings window that wont always happen) in his example the enemy player just stood there... this never happens in live scenarios and so TS is risky because your not always going to be able to use 2 globals in melee range to get it off, rule of thumb should be if you are in range use TS were possible in burst but if you cant subbing in 2 HoW is the safer way to do it, I mainly use avenging wrath and execution sentence and mine looks like this - At 0 or 1 HP (with at least 2 greater judgment debuffs on target) BOJ, execution sentence, wake, FV, FV HoW, HoW, FV. If you get lucky and the opponent is less then 35% after the 2nd FV and you have Blessing of anshe proc the HoW will do massive damage. in Avenging wrath your HoW are + 20 crit chance as well. BOJ + expurgation does do more damage then HoW out side 35% hp in current tuning and TS should be prioritised when in range to use it, but I wouldn't save it for wake window as you need to use TS when you can/If you can. Hope this helps.
Btw haste stat ratio should be a factor of 1 like all other stats right now, but even with full haste gear around 10k haste u still below 20% and it feels clunky.
Awesome Vid, thanks! The Weak Aura for the Anshe isnt working, any idea why? I says its on "standby" but when i get the prog, it wont show up.
Great guide! What you opinion on mastery nerf? Is it change anything?
It’s going to be a very minor short term buff but long term scaling nerf.
Doubled my dmg immediately
Hey man i ended up prioritizing versatility and Haste overall, will this make a huge difference 😢 i already have on most my gear
For macros, do you have to add “#showtooltip”?
man any advice on healing and survivability?
U dont use blade justice on burst rotation? Why u spend talent to have 2 Charges?
in rbg situation who to target
Was trying to do some testing but wondering what is better with this macro. There is the trinket you currently have which is alarcity and has the chance to grant 3,786 primary stat for 15 seconds and is based off chance. However if you use the badge of ferocity in the macro with wake of ashes in your rotation then every 2x use you will have a guaranteed extra 4486 on your rotation for strength/burst. Every other time you get wings. #showtooltip Wake of Ashes
/cast Wake of Ashes
/use 13
Thoughts on if this might be better?
The scaling in PvP is also better, with ferocity on strength. The key differences being that the one you are currently uses being. 5 second longer duration, random chance vs guaranteed use with burst, and weaker by 1500 or so strength when scaled
Hey, thanks for the video. Do you think the on-use trinket will be superior to the passive one with Radiant Glory? Just bind it in with Wake and have an amped window every other Wake? I'm fairly new so not sure on the reliability of the passive one's proc rate.
I use the on use when playing radiant glory for Templar. I macro it in with final reckoning. With herald I play the proc because it’s up a decent amount of the time anyway.
Did they remove the slow for rets? Just started playing again.
You'll likely judge and blade on your way in, you'll need the HP anyhow, and you want the dot out and blade CD running while you cast other stuff. And you should divine toll sooner to get the extra holy power generating for your final verdict window. BUT since you wont have wings up until you're in wake range and wake gives you HP and a DP, the window is closing by the time you get a chance to dine toll... which is why i dont run that wake/wings talent, its too restrictive with the wake setup. I'm going to try the templars strikes but I dont really like them for pvp, too many GCD, and needs melee range. imo its for pve.
wings, judge, blade, hammer of wrath, final verdict, tv, divine toll, tv, tv, wake, tv, tv, judge, tv, blade, wrath, tv, wrath, judge, etc.
Blessing of AnShe Weakaura doesnt work for me unfortunately...
Is crit worth that much? I know you want to get the Templars strike crit burn and the burnes to ash crit. But I dont think downlight dots or suns avatar dots can crit can they? I read that somewhere.
can you link your better blizz frames profile?
Is it just me or does suns avatar not apply dawn lights to you when you press wake of ashes with radiant glory talented. Because according to suns avatar tooltip, it should immediately apply dawnlights and if there are no allies arouns, it is not even apply dawnlight to myself
So the talent spent on improved Blade Of Justice, bun no one it the rotation? And how do you get 2x Final Verdict in a row?
great video somehow it-s difficoult to find good content regarding ret paladin pvp
I think its cuz Ret isn't the best right now. Lol
Which do you recommend for 2's? Icy veins says the other spec for PvP so curious what would work best
They havent published the updates to my guide yet. I recommend this build.
Can you please make the ultimate BG spec?
Something must be buggy with eternal flame/wog cause sometimes it heals like a loh and sometimes like nothing. It was way different in df. Haven’t fact checked it yet but just kinda of feeling
hello How do you get your numbers large on your screen?
I just realized the issue with your build after a lot of testing. Because dawnlights do not stack, there is no point in running radiant glory because when you press wake of ashes, your next 2 spenders will cast a dawnlight, and if you activate crusade, you cast 4 auto dawnlights.
So by running radiant glory you instantly lose dawnlights because of overlap.
Dawnlights do stack. Each additional application extends the duration by the duration of a base dawn light.
@@LvladenPvP So every extra dawnlight gives 8 more seconds on top of the previous? So let's say you can do 2x spender + 1x dl from radiant glory.
So that's 24 sec of dawnlight?
I've been watchin you for a while now , what is that thing on C that you have?
Shield of veng with a macro to make it look like the old sacred shield icon
In what situation would we wanna run just regular crusader and not radiant glory
Both are playable but I don’t actually play regular wings anymore.
What is the best comp for ret in 3v3 ?
im confused i dont have a Templars strike button?
Do you think Templar it’s viable for rbgs and solo shuffle? I know it’s viable in terms of fun, but if we want to be useful for the team.
I find Herald more PvP oriented than Templar but I’m curious about your opinion.
Thanks!
Yeah you can definitely still play Templar. You just have to make sure you are using your hammer of lights wisely.
Blade of justice during burst rotation: 🥺
What macro are you using for final reckoning? to skip the placement of the aoe marker?
Check description it’s there
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mate nice vedios but plz plz can u tell me which one is the best talents build for pvp im so lost here want to know which one is the best to stay with it
I’d recommend the one in the guide.
Hi my friend,greetings from italy,theres a chance to copy your woly interface with addons?
Why not play with divine purpose talent?
my templar strikes tracker wa doesnt have that custom trigger set up like yours.
Same can confirm this
This might be a stupid question, but does BG/Arena gear scale up to 626 in War Mode?
Yes!
Hi im new to ret and you Said that the sustain dmg is more like a priority than a Rotation. What does this priority look Like?
Check out the sustain damage section of my icy veins guide. Click the link in the description :)
I've been disheartened by my ret. It feels like I do way less damage, do way less healing and everything just globals me. I also don't have much in the way of pvp gear but does pvp gear make that much of a difference?
Yeah it does, full honor gear is 626ilvl.
Yeah I'm only getting 800 to 1.1 mill non crits for Templars strike. My feral druid combo move does that much. Gunna be playing that till pally fixed. On a side not wtf is up with versatility?!?! My % so low even tho it's so high
is it a bug that we can still use wog even though we have the talent for eternal flame? If not whats the recommended usage of the two?
If you press word of glory it will just be eternal flame!
@@LvladenPvP ahh i see, thanks for the response :)
hi, what about set pieces?
Convert the shoulder
TS is better than auto crusade strike?
I think so
Why are your hammers hitting for a million and mine hit for 500k?
Pls do a Templer guide ❤
Will do
@@LvladenPvP thank you bro, can you also do a video regarding makros?
which horde race pls ?
Probably tauren if you are going for what is best, but realistically it doesnt really matter. My horde ret is blood elf haha
Why are all the top pvpers using Templar instead?
Most of the top pvpers are currently herald.
@@LvladenPvPwhere are you getting this jnfo ?
linkin park forever
Warum kann er Tempelstrik drücken? bei mir steht passive
talent tree
Make more dmg than a Warrior , and healing them self . Fuck ey 😮
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I was hoping in the prepatch that this will not happen. I don't wanna be no sun cringe ahh paladin from tauren made up lore.
I want to use TEMPLAR and smash heathen with a holy nuke. Ofc the cringe spec will be meta -_- sadge
Wuuutt. Dude herald is the ASHBRINGER SPEC.
sadly the pally auras are getting more and more useless ... as a classic player it is a pitty. Hope they give auras a bit more love in the future