Yo Kanon, not sure if you remember me, I gamed with yall in the oneHP/noHp alliance back when the game first came out in KR, are you going to stay in KR servers when it drops globally?
They should use a system like guild wars 2 structured PvP, everyone has availability to same gear, but choice differences and open world gear means nothing.
Every PVP mode needs its own balancing, never know why modern games never see this and solve for it up front. Even New World has started solving for that awhile back where in PVP abilities are different than PVE. You cannot balance PVP unless you stat level first though, so that has to be step one.
Idk. My experience with arena is completely different than yours. From my point of view if I have 2 wand users on my team they are unkillable yes but after a certain amount of ladderpoints people are built well to resist the sleep or just have builds to counter their 1 burst combo anyway. For example, alot of sns-greatswords at my elo just have like 1.4k+ magic evasion ignore the paladins and burst the dps. Because paladins only have one burst window and it’s soo long (+ its rng) they can’t do anything, even worst when the dps on the enemy team dodges it all. The stealth cringe for points needs to go though.
@@SooooNerdy This is why i prefaced my explanation with “My experience”. It’s from my point of view and is just a counter view from Kanon’s. Neither of us are wrong. And after playing even more arena today I see more and more people adapting to wand+sns. I litterally was on a team with 2 dagger crossbows on my team who had over 2kmag evasion. We were vs 2 sns-wand and a greatsword-dagger. The crossbows carried me and didn’t die a single time and farmed the greatsword player.
I miss Lineage 2: The classes were all unique, everyone played everything(even though some were better than others), and some were race locked which made the game even cooler and more unique. I fucking miss old school NCSoft…
@@TheMan21892 ncsoft is cooked, all they had to do was to copy themselves, but no. Stupid classless/2xweapon with generic human races... They lost all the creativity they had
@@KMF1203 Right? I always see people bitch and complain about race/gender locked classes, but if it’s done right and they are truly unique(not in a superficial way) then that will make the game better than most other MMOs! I used to play the human Dark Avenger(how fucking cool does that sound?!) and although Paladin was the better tank, Dark Avengers could summon a fucking Panther and siphon life! Then there’s the Dark Elf Bladedancer that would dance with their dual swords to buff the party. Or the Dwarven classes that consist solely of crafters and gatherers. Or the Elven Temple Knight that could summon cubics to assist them in battle. Oh, and the Orc Warcry could chant to empower themselves and their party. Anyway my point is that they could reclaim their glory days if they just get their heads out of their fucking asses and stopped focusing so incessantly on monetization.
There are multiple ways arena can be improved. Increased cd on some skills for ovepowered specs, go twoards weapons swapping on cooldown instead of both same time, add some sort of dampening like in wow for tanks. They could also pump up some stats in arena like hp so fights will take longer and be more fun for dps. And adress the freaking cc man, no way it is ok do die in one stun or petrification.
OFC there almost no PvP :D I were playing last time GW2 around 2 month ago. Yes seages , castles. But almost dead PvP. Its on repeat. Not bad at all. But not great. I was protecting whole castle for an hour from 10+ players. Is that amazing PvP?
@@KapitanObvious pvp is definitely not dead in gw2. You are either blatantly lying for the sake of it or you just genuinely do not know what you are talking about.
yep, discouraging combat kills arenas. Some of you might remember when blade n soul came a while back... the thief class would just freeze you and re-invis and run away. They would do this until the timer ran out and they'd win by points.
I'm also wondering but I guess they did change it for global release because now wand is no where near that strong, or at least it doesn't look like it for me. But maybe I'm missing something
PvP is what makes and breaks games, I wish devs would learn this. Games with esports stay around for over a decade, meanwhile something with mediocre pvp doesn’t have good enough PvE elements usually to keep players. It has happened with countless MMOs thatve come out.
This arena honestly feels like in mobile game. "Gamers" in this game plays like they dont think at all about anything, just run into enemy and stat check...
Its clear NCSoft want TL to be PVE main game, so this optional pvp content will be just as dead as it is in Lost Ark. If you don't equalize it you have whales 1 shotting everyone, if you equalize it you get the broken and OP weapon balance where some builds/weapons will dominate, and I guarantee you that they won't try to balance every skill and everyone weapon for this optional PVP content. its already broken enough weapon balance in open world PVP that they havent been able to fix and balance properly. Overall arenas will be fun for 1-2 months, then fall into obscurity and become optional content for whales to boost their egos on f2p players.
in my opinion.. every classes have weaknesses and strength.. xbow with archboss weapon are broken but will die to GS in one shot with their stun and CC😵💫 , same with other classes..depends which one to counter..., also you need skills to dodge / block etc..
This better come out Day 1 or at the VERY LEAST the first Month of release, no one is gunna wanna come back to the game to play Arenas 1 Year into the game.... Im actually generally curious how far back the game is gunna be for Global release, like Lost Ark was..... that could be very bad. They need to make us be atleast within 1 month of KR release for them to release whatever for Global!
Ia hard for an MMO today, since players compared it to moms like wow, FF, gw2 that been around for more than 10 yrs. And they had a lot of time to polish
@@demianpelos It's only hard because every freaking MMO TRIES to be the NEXT WoW or the next FF14 which they never will be. Also EVERY mmo that has came out FAILED in the WEST cause of P2W only MMO that survived for a long while here in the west was/is Black Desert Online sense its a game you can leave going whilst at work, sexing your wife, exercising. Also the reason we compare it to WoW and FF14 is cause first most at the front is CONTENT aka raids, dungeons, pvp, etc. whilste a lot of mmos that failed was cause they didn't care about the game they only cared about how much money they can make from microtransactions and once they made enough money they stop caring about the game.
@@Titan.Fox56 that's why I think gw2 did amazing balancing that. Paying for expansion or cosmetics and you can buy and sell currency. (Plus combat is f amazing) Pvp and wvw are separate thing that is great.
@@Titan.Fox56 Imagine saying bdo isnt p2w tho when engame is so gated by cronstones..... only took them 5 years to come up with a pity system... ill take a game that lets me sell items for prem currency than having to grind endless hours and rng outfit boxes on the cm... not to mention if u wana grind efficiently u need a proper fairy + a 75$ tent, unless that is u wana run to town every 20 mins to repair ur crap bdo is by far more p2w than Throne. Throne just allows players to outright buy currency not buy 500 different rng boxes in the cash shop for u to gamble for cron stone bundles or artisans to repair ur crap. Also any mmo can have content giving 10 years and 10 expansions lmao. No mmo lasts cuz u have single minded WoW turds who rather play a game that takes 5 years to cast a spell and only listen to what asmongold tells them too. 😅
모두가 평등하다면 그건 mmorpg가 아닙니다. 모두가 평등한 전투를하고싶다면 롤을하는게 좋아요 팀은 운으로정해지고 자신의 실력과 템셋팅에 맞는 점수랭크가 존재하기때문에 모두 재밌게즐길수있어요 자신의 플레이스타일에 맞는 템과 스킬을 셋팅하고 전투에 들어가 자신의 선택을 확인할수있습니다. 물론 앞으로나오는 스킬의 다양성과 무기밸런스 조정은 있어야되고 p2w도 최대한 낮춰서 모두가 원하는장비를 최대한 쉽게 맞출수있게 바꾸야된다고 생각합니다
@@PipylalaDharmahusada ragnarok online had great pvp and woe, it had almost no pay to win, it was gear dependent but it had a top so everyone leveled up at 99 with decent gear.
I think the best pvp I have experience in an mmo is in lost ark. You get all abilities and skill all classes have their uses. You don’t need to level or own the weapons. Level and gear does not matter. I love the heavy emphasis on skill in their pvp. Sadly lost ark flopped
Arena is ruled by: Dagger/Xbow, Dagger/Great Sword, Healers and Tanks. That's it. Anything else just explodes to the CC locks. Completely stupid mode, I loved arenas in GW2 where we can't use our own gear and have to use arena specific gear with stats. Arena in TL is just a game about who has the most broken build (gear and skills) CCs the most and bursts Why dagger? Cloacking, stun locking and stupid amounts of damage. Why tanks? *Collision* *Pull* *Stun lock* *Big sword go swoosh* Why healers? They're practically immortal if they know what they're doing.
@@IsaiahBailey-l3f You can buy Arch boss weps with cash 1-2k . Arch boss weps can 1 shot players. Auction House only takes lucent, and you can buy lucent. 100$ for 5k lucent.
diablo 2 has some of the best pvp of all time and allows people to use any gear they want.. i think if there isnt like super overpowered items then allowing people to use different gear is overall fine and makes pvp more interesting because different gear may open up totally new skill options that wouldnt of been viable otherwise.
It's impossible to balance 3v3 pvp and the rest of the game at the same time. What they should do is to take the competitive arena as a seperate thing. 1)Equalize the items and make 3v3 arena specific skill balance changes that only applies in the arena. 2)Also make all the weapons and every skill and spec in the game accessible to everyone. What this does is that, it will make the PvP PURELY skill based. What it means is that, the game is now fully available for the esports arena. What that means is, sponsors, big events and a thriving player base. You can still milk money by pve, open world pvp, guild pvp etc. where gear matters and people are paying for it. But you need to have at least one arena where people can show pure skills. Otherwise being number 1 of your server etc. will mean nothing. And it'll not be an esport game ever.
The problem is, they will balance a game designed for mass PvP for an instanced 3v3 arena where there is no other content for a party of three people. Great... like Lost Ark PvP or worse, FF14 PvP, which is totally a piece of shit because your character is completely different when you PvP in these games.
I think the lack of balance first comes from trait/bonuses/stats and passives. Remember when game came out, we had different type of "hit" trait ,ranged,melee,magic and they removed it, hit trait now work for all 3 types, why the heck didn't they do the same for evasion and endurance ? Of course doing so will make evasion too strong, all they'll have to do is reduce the evsasions values from trait and gear pieces, and repeat the process for endurance. As for the dogshit CCs in this game, being CC locked for 10 sec + is stupid. Why not take example of how CC work in black desert online ? Add a CC count and when you reach the max CC count on your target then he becomes immunes against CC for 3-5secondes. Then they'll have to look into passives skills for every weapon. Because why the heck GS is the only weapon to give a passive wich boost your hit stat by a huge amount ?
Oh cmon! ) When everybody was playing daggers and sns or GS, it was ok. Now wands owning Arenas, which is logical, and we are complaining ?) It is not balanced at all though )
not rly im Lineage2 player and my favourite thing is to hunt donators as f2p they are piece of sht :) but yeah ppl are soft nowdays and they are insulted someone got somethin faster than them nowdays :p
I think they are trying to make something close to Aion PvP and blade and soul PvP, that you have to farm gear for pvp, and spend a lot of money with enchantments. Someone with better gear will always win against you, doesn't matter your skills. And this thing about holding points is stupid. The team with more kills should win.
Yea always WoW's like that you can't expect to go into arenas with full green pvp honor gear and face someone who has full conquest pvp gear and win. How I know this? cause I tested it myself on paladin and it didn't go so well I still fought hard and skillfully but the opponent had better gear and I was just getting hit hard this was BEFORE the plate specialization nerf in arenas and battlegrounds. I don't know I MIGHT give this game a go but with it being made by NCsoft who is notorious for having P2W in their games makes me second guess if to play it or not.
i love a "mostly" fair arena ranked pvp experience in an mmo. I do like the idea that gear influences stats in an mmo. NOT something like call of duty etc. I like this because i dont want the game to become a matchmaking simulator. having to force players to play all aspects of the game to become the most elite ranked arena pvp'er is a good move. it means they TRULY are the top tier players in the mmo at the time. in pvp and pve most likely. they are the elite, they worked for it etc. mmo's arent designed to be a completely fair environment, gear is always supposed to trump most things. idk... just my random two cents. love the videos tho and especially you standing up to nexon at that conference, cool stuff
First time dealing with NCSoft making PvP arena, right? All it will end up with is strong class division by S tier classes x3-4 and the rest being completely unplayable garbage. Say hello to BnS and bury any hope about this game mode.
I kept saying they need to rework how heal scales. what could go wrong when the more damage you have the stronger your heals are? Wis should be useful and be the heal stat. Also equalize this damn arena
Fun, they could've equalized the arena and made it competitive. It's just going to be the same 1-3 meta builds 😂. 13 years in development, and they're still struggling to make the right decisions.
Eh, idk if you've been playing much but NCSoft surprisingly is making great decisions with the game, they missed the mark here but also said they probably would before launching it. Now its to see how they take the feedback.
TBH I have never liked that kind of "3v3 or 5v5" arena matches in MMORPGs... 1v1 or GvG must be the rule. It's just too much luck-based. If you join a whale team, good for you. Otherwise, bad for you. Too unbalanced.
That looks very boring, an empty field and then it’s a numbers game. There is no winning condition, no baiting or ambushing the enemy, no outsmarting, no situational problem solving.
No classes, PvP system that lets you use your main gear meaning P2W players will have an upper hand, mediocre combat and a gacha monetization system. RIP this game at release 🤣
nononononon DONT even try balance game around ARENAS!!!!! Dont make same mistake as Blizzard with WoW. WORST part of game when ARENA come out and kids start crying about arena balance. As result in wow no more balance. But we have seasonal swings. A B C between specs and classes. Same will be here is you will try balance Solo PvP Group MASS and Arenas.
I know it full DPS andy call for nerf Paladins. Well what I can say. neft it, then tank in front line on GvG :D Soooo stupid I cant beleave. Or nefr healers and then wipe on bosses because lack of heal. Or even better all tanks and healers will respecc to something more DPS andy and will ask you to heal or tank. Pathetic...
OMG my garres cant peal a tank OMG OMG nert neft it OMG.... MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM but I want be top 1 on my daggers. Yes I can oneshot as paper other dps classes. I dont like to tank or heal in games but I want BE A FCK GOD AND KILL EVERYONE EVERYWHERE. While I was wathing ... well I dont know what say to you. Probably chill, play other "FAIR" game. In MY opinion healers and tanks MUST have respect! I could agree that stealth could be more powerfull less CD and be longer. You call wand OP same time playing most broken spec 2h+daggers. And look at final stats. Mage OP? nnonono all fine. Wand OP? YEEEEESSSS! Are your class OP? nonon I was fighting 5% of all time and have 20-25% of MAX damage from fight. As I said, you can clearly see. That your class have good damage. OFC you have counter classes thats IS AMAZING! Im out from here.
classless/doubleweapon is the worst and most boring system i've ever seen in an mmorpg. not only is bad but devs will have an headache when trying to balance the game... just throw the idea away and bring unique classes cmon ncsoft
I hope the Dev's would follow the idea of UnDecember where every class can equip 1 weapon but the catch is its up to you to build your own skill gameplay depending on the skills you'll loot and power ups passives to further enhance the looted equipped skills.
i dont understand why players want pvp to be purely skill while all ragnarok games out there, their pvp/WoE is very hardly heavily P2W and no one even ever complain about it.
bro thats basicly everything i hear about the game "this is bad, but they made it better." literally on every single topic youtubers talk about this game. it has me confused and hesitant about this game because the west will always be the afterthought region or the beta testers for china launch in regards to MMORPGs. why cant they just release something and its GOOD because someone that knows what theyre doing and what is fun has been working on it? especially with ncsoft i see them making the same shit "mistakes" they did 15 years ago with aion and beyond. i will test this, but im reluctant to spend on this because ncsoft has to trust back first and if you fall behind without the 30€ worth of monthly subscriptions i can at least say i didnt waste my money on this.
In BDO arena battlefield its the same as everyone has there own gear and you can enter with low gear and go against someone with high gear WHATS THE DIFFERENCE like i was a geared SORC and can kill 15 people not die and get away 😂 or if i was a geard dp meme straker and someone entered low gear and was a ranger? Just imagine 3v3 with a shai and 2 dp meme straker L every time. iF THEY CAN I DONT THINK TANK AND HEALER SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE A THING ONE OR THE OTHER AS IF THEY NURF ANY OF THEM THEY WILL NOT SERVE THE PERPOSE OF THE BUILD/ROLE i do hope they sort things out as im DEFINITELY GOING TO BE PLAYING THO
*EDIT: TO BE CLEAR ARENA IS NOT GEAR BALANCED | Open Beta is SOON, streaming Throne almost everyday @ twitch.tv/kanonxo come join me!
Yo Kanon, not sure if you remember me, I gamed with yall in the oneHP/noHp alliance back when the game first came out in KR, are you going to stay in KR servers when it drops globally?
well play
You think they gonna balace this
They should use a system like guild wars 2 structured PvP, everyone has availability to same gear, but choice differences and open world gear means nothing.
GW2 has by far the best approach to structured PvP with the gear equalising
I legit agree agree with you cause this pvp aint it 😂
That's NOT going to help here with the actual weapons BEING the problem.
@TheRealManOfSteel weapons not the problem, gear curve and unbalanced match making is
@@joshwaciantardrums "Gear curve" = weapons
Every PVP mode needs its own balancing, never know why modern games never see this and solve for it up front. Even New World has started solving for that awhile back where in PVP abilities are different than PVE. You cannot balance PVP unless you stat level first though, so that has to be step one.
Idk. My experience with arena is completely different than yours. From my point of view if I have 2 wand users on my team they are unkillable yes but after a certain amount of ladderpoints people are built well to resist the sleep or just have builds to counter their 1 burst combo anyway.
For example, alot of sns-greatswords at my elo just have like 1.4k+ magic evasion ignore the paladins and burst the dps. Because paladins only have one burst window and it’s soo long (+ its rng) they can’t do anything, even worst when the dps on the enemy team dodges it all.
The stealth cringe for points needs to go though.
just bc you're winning matches doesnt make it suck tho...
Totally agree ,wand tank just ends up bricking since good teams burst down there dps
@@SooooNerdy This is why i prefaced my explanation with “My experience”. It’s from my point of view and is just a counter view from Kanon’s. Neither of us are wrong.
And after playing even more arena today I see more and more people adapting to wand+sns. I litterally was on a team with 2 dagger crossbows on my team who had over 2kmag evasion. We were vs 2 sns-wand and a greatsword-dagger. The crossbows carried me and didn’t die a single time and farmed the greatsword player.
If they have an official forum, I hope you've left the feedback there as well
Ok yeah that's wild. What build is the SNS/WAND even using? Looks like some kind of sleep + curse bomb like build.
I miss Lineage 2: The classes were all unique, everyone played everything(even though some were better than others), and some were race locked which made the game even cooler and more unique. I fucking miss old school NCSoft…
I mean, they have the patern of L2. Just fk copy and improve it. Tipical Ncsoft... L2 was the best and nothing will be even close to it, good old days
@@TheMan21892 ncsoft is cooked, all they had to do was to copy themselves, but no. Stupid classless/2xweapon with generic human races... They lost all the creativity they had
@@KMF1203 Right? I always see people bitch and complain about race/gender locked classes, but if it’s done right and they are truly unique(not in a superficial way) then that will make the game better than most other MMOs!
I used to play the human Dark Avenger(how fucking cool does that sound?!) and although Paladin was the better tank, Dark Avengers could summon a fucking Panther and siphon life! Then there’s the Dark Elf Bladedancer that would dance with their dual swords to buff the party. Or the Dwarven classes that consist solely of crafters and gatherers. Or the Elven Temple Knight that could summon cubics to assist them in battle. Oh, and the Orc Warcry could chant to empower themselves and their party.
Anyway my point is that they could reclaim their glory days if they just get their heads out of their fucking asses and stopped focusing so incessantly on monetization.
Lineage 2 had a solution for this - The Olympiad. You compete only against your own class.
There are multiple ways arena can be improved. Increased cd on some skills for ovepowered specs, go twoards weapons swapping on cooldown instead of both same time, add some sort of dampening like in wow for tanks. They could also pump up some stats in arena like hp so fights will take longer and be more fun for dps. And adress the freaking cc man, no way it is ok do die in one stun or petrification.
dude even BDO has the free gear system for arena xD
That's why I like gw2 pvp
OFC there almost no PvP :D
I were playing last time GW2 around 2 month ago.
Yes seages , castles.
But almost dead PvP. Its on repeat.
Not bad at all. But not great.
I was protecting whole castle for an hour from 10+ players.
Is that amazing PvP?
@@KapitanObvious in what game you where protecting? Vs 10 players? How you survived 10min?
@@KapitanObvious pvp is definitely not dead in gw2. You are either blatantly lying for the sake of it or you just genuinely do not know what you are talking about.
how do you build the paladin that i keep hearing is so strong but can't find a guide for
search sns wand - thats paladin.
the graphic is stunning in pvp set , guess i will give them some time to balance the wand build and build the pvp gear balancing system
So it's like lost ark 3vs3 pvp the team with the healer wins nice
yep, discouraging combat kills arenas. Some of you might remember when blade n soul came a while back... the thief class would just freeze you and re-invis and run away. They would do this until the timer ran out and they'd win by points.
May i ask whats the broken thing on the wand?
I'm also wondering but I guess they did change it for global release because now wand is no where near that strong, or at least it doesn't look like it for me. But maybe I'm missing something
PvP is what makes and breaks games, I wish devs would learn this. Games with esports stay around for over a decade, meanwhile something with mediocre pvp doesn’t have good enough PvE elements usually to keep players. It has happened with countless MMOs thatve come out.
Devs too focussed on adding new shit rather than fixing the core issues with the game
This arena honestly feels like in mobile game. "Gamers" in this game plays like they dont think at all about anything, just run into enemy and stat check...
Its clear NCSoft want TL to be PVE main game, so this optional pvp content will be just as dead as it is in Lost Ark. If you don't equalize it you have whales 1 shotting everyone, if you equalize it you get the broken and OP weapon balance where some builds/weapons will dominate, and I guarantee you that they won't try to balance every skill and everyone weapon for this optional PVP content. its already broken enough weapon balance in open world PVP that they havent been able to fix and balance properly. Overall arenas will be fun for 1-2 months, then fall into obscurity and become optional content for whales to boost their egos on f2p players.
But the PVE is horrible in TL.
@@paintspot1509 I like it
What weapon makes classes one shottavle
in my opinion.. every classes have weaknesses and strength.. xbow with archboss weapon are broken but will die to GS in one shot with their stun and CC😵💫 , same with other classes..depends which one to counter..., also you need skills to dodge / block etc..
We should be glad for arenas cuz now they can actually see the unbalanced classes. KOON IS OUR HERO!
This better come out Day 1 or at the VERY LEAST the first Month of release, no one is gunna wanna come back to the game to play Arenas 1 Year into the game....
Im actually generally curious how far back the game is gunna be for Global release, like Lost Ark was..... that could be very bad.
They need to make us be atleast within 1 month of KR release for them to release whatever for Global!
Lol wait you can be a Tank AND healer?? While being dps at the same time??? Wild.
If they want the audience in the west to stick with the game, they will have to improve it!
*fingers crossed*
Ia hard for an MMO today, since players compared it to moms like wow, FF, gw2 that been around for more than 10 yrs. And they had a lot of time to polish
@@demianpelos I believe if they make it gear balanced it would help quite a bit as a starter :)
@@demianpelos It's only hard because every freaking MMO TRIES to be the NEXT WoW or the next FF14 which they never will be. Also EVERY mmo that has came out FAILED in the WEST cause of P2W only MMO that survived for a long while here in the west was/is Black Desert Online sense its a game you can leave going whilst at work, sexing your wife, exercising.
Also the reason we compare it to WoW and FF14 is cause first most at the front is CONTENT aka raids, dungeons, pvp, etc. whilste a lot of mmos that failed was cause they didn't care about the game they only cared about how much money they can make from microtransactions and once they made enough money they stop caring about the game.
@@Titan.Fox56 that's why I think gw2 did amazing balancing that. Paying for expansion or cosmetics and you can buy and sell currency. (Plus combat is f amazing) Pvp and wvw are separate thing that is great.
@@Titan.Fox56 Imagine saying bdo isnt p2w tho when engame is so gated by cronstones..... only took them 5 years to come up with a pity system... ill take a game that lets me sell items for prem currency than having to grind endless hours and rng outfit boxes on the cm... not to mention if u wana grind efficiently u need a proper fairy + a 75$ tent, unless that is u wana run to town every 20 mins to repair ur crap bdo is by far more p2w than Throne. Throne just allows players to outright buy currency not buy 500 different rng boxes in the cash shop for u to gamble for cron stone bundles or artisans to repair ur crap. Also any mmo can have content giving 10 years and 10 expansions lmao. No mmo lasts cuz u have single minded WoW turds who rather play a game that takes 5 years to cast a spell and only listen to what asmongold tells them too. 😅
모두가 평등하다면 그건 mmorpg가 아닙니다.
모두가 평등한 전투를하고싶다면 롤을하는게 좋아요
팀은 운으로정해지고 자신의 실력과 템셋팅에 맞는 점수랭크가 존재하기때문에 모두 재밌게즐길수있어요
자신의 플레이스타일에 맞는 템과 스킬을 셋팅하고 전투에 들어가 자신의 선택을 확인할수있습니다.
물론 앞으로나오는 스킬의 다양성과 무기밸런스 조정은 있어야되고
p2w도 최대한 낮춰서 모두가 원하는장비를 최대한 쉽게 맞출수있게 바꾸야된다고 생각합니다
are you playing any ragnarok online game? idk why you want this game's PVP to be not P2W but no one ever complain about ragnarok's PVP or WOE
@@PipylalaDharmahusada ragnarok online had great pvp and woe, it had almost no pay to win, it was gear dependent but it had a top so everyone leveled up at 99 with decent gear.
MMOS love to put in arenas but every time that happened there were broken builds and classes thats just gonna tear everyone else apart.
So they made a PvP Arena based on gear power within a P2W game?
G A R B A G E
They need to do normalised arena or to have special gear for arena otherwise it will fail as they can't balance around the PVE gear.
I mean I hear you, but rogue Mage has been meta for a million years in WoW Arenas. Such is life.
Good looks on kanon giving unbiased content on TL everyones hopped on the hate train content creator wise and it sucks
I think the best pvp I have experience in an mmo is in lost ark. You get all abilities and skill all classes have their uses. You don’t need to level or own the weapons. Level and gear does not matter. I love the heavy emphasis on skill in their pvp. Sadly lost ark flopped
Whether it flops or not. I’m just glad this game will have a dedicated community. Already does. Can’t wait
Arena is ruled by: Dagger/Xbow, Dagger/Great Sword, Healers and Tanks. That's it. Anything else just explodes to the CC locks. Completely stupid mode, I loved arenas in GW2 where we can't use our own gear and have to use arena specific gear with stats. Arena in TL is just a game about who has the most broken build (gear and skills) CCs the most and bursts
Why dagger? Cloacking, stun locking and stupid amounts of damage.
Why tanks? *Collision* *Pull* *Stun lock* *Big sword go swoosh*
Why healers? They're practically immortal if they know what they're doing.
LOL literally a haven for the whales.
womp womp
this is the meta if you are not top 10 then its no fun. number 1 person in rank can be placed with a brand new first game 3k rating person.
What's pay to win about it? I pre ordered it for ps5 and I like the games looks so far
@@IsaiahBailey-l3f You can buy Arch boss weps with cash 1-2k . Arch boss weps can 1 shot players. Auction House only takes lucent, and you can buy lucent. 100$ for 5k lucent.
diablo 2 has some of the best pvp of all time and allows people to use any gear they want.. i think if there isnt like super overpowered items then allowing people to use different gear is overall fine and makes pvp more interesting because different gear may open up totally new skill options that wouldnt of been viable otherwise.
It's impossible to balance 3v3 pvp and the rest of the game at the same time.
What they should do is to take the competitive arena as a seperate thing.
1)Equalize the items and make 3v3 arena specific skill balance changes that only applies in the arena.
2)Also make all the weapons and every skill and spec in the game accessible to everyone.
What this does is that, it will make the PvP PURELY skill based. What it means is that, the game is now fully available for the esports arena. What that means is, sponsors, big events and a thriving player base.
You can still milk money by pve, open world pvp, guild pvp etc. where gear matters and people are paying for it. But you need to have at least one arena where people can show pure skills.
Otherwise being number 1 of your server etc. will mean nothing. And it'll not be an esport game ever.
As a tank with shield sword and gs. I also die in 2 hits.... So tank are not tank just one more
Garbanzo -_-
love this video :D
How come Arch boss weapon is this common? o,O
Isnt almost all mmo pvp depend on gear ?
except for gw2
Lost ark arena is not.
Challenge: Find gaming youtuber video without "and its...." in title. Difficulty: Impossible
made you click and comment though
If the rewards aren't groundbreaking I will avoid this, sounds like it's just as broken as lost ark 3 v 3
The problem is, they will balance a game designed for mass PvP for an instanced 3v3 arena where there is no other content for a party of three people. Great... like Lost Ark PvP or worse, FF14 PvP, which is totally a piece of shit because your character is completely different when you PvP in these games.
I think the lack of balance first comes from trait/bonuses/stats and passives.
Remember when game came out, we had different type of "hit" trait ,ranged,melee,magic and they removed it, hit trait now work for all 3 types, why the heck didn't they do the same for evasion and endurance ?
Of course doing so will make evasion too strong, all they'll have to do is reduce the evsasions values from trait and gear pieces, and repeat the process for endurance.
As for the dogshit CCs in this game, being CC locked for 10 sec + is stupid.
Why not take example of how CC work in black desert online ?
Add a CC count and when you reach the max CC count on your target then he becomes immunes against CC for 3-5secondes.
Then they'll have to look into passives skills for every weapon. Because why the heck GS is the only weapon to give a passive wich boost your hit stat by a huge amount ?
better then lost ark pvp ?
Oh cmon! ) When everybody was playing daggers and sns or GS, it was ok. Now wands owning Arenas, which is logical, and we are complaining ?)
It is not balanced at all though )
So it suffers from NCsoft syndrome.
Gear and RNG > skill
not rly im Lineage2 player and my favourite thing is to hunt donators as f2p they are piece of sht :) but yeah ppl are soft nowdays and they are insulted someone got somethin faster than them nowdays :p
I think they are trying to make something close to Aion PvP and blade and soul PvP, that you have to farm gear for pvp, and spend a lot of money with enchantments. Someone with better gear will always win against you, doesn't matter your skills. And this thing about holding points is stupid. The team with more kills should win.
Yea always WoW's like that you can't expect to go into arenas with full green pvp honor gear and face someone who has full conquest pvp gear and win. How I know this? cause I tested it myself on paladin and it didn't go so well I still fought hard and skillfully but the opponent had better gear and I was just getting hit hard this was BEFORE the plate specialization nerf in arenas and battlegrounds.
I don't know I MIGHT give this game a go but with it being made by NCsoft who is notorious for having P2W in their games makes me second guess if to play it or not.
@Titan.Fox56 tbh I've played the game for 3 days grinned my gear and im skillfully slamming peopl3 who have already payed 100+$
Arena really needs to be equalized. If it's not I don't see that aspect of the game really taking off.
i love a "mostly" fair arena ranked pvp experience in an mmo. I do like the idea that gear influences stats in an mmo. NOT something like call of duty etc. I like this because i dont want the game to become a matchmaking simulator. having to force players to play all aspects of the game to become the most elite ranked arena pvp'er is a good move. it means they TRULY are the top tier players in the mmo at the time. in pvp and pve most likely. they are the elite, they worked for it etc. mmo's arent designed to be a completely fair environment, gear is always supposed to trump most things. idk... just my random two cents. love the videos tho and especially you standing up to nexon at that conference, cool stuff
FIRST! IM BALD
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First time dealing with NCSoft making PvP arena, right? All it will end up with is strong class division by S tier classes x3-4 and the rest being completely unplayable garbage. Say hello to BnS and bury any hope about this game mode.
I kept saying they need to rework how heal scales. what could go wrong when the more damage you have the stronger your heals are? Wis should be useful and be the heal stat. Also equalize this damn arena
Having no normalized gear for arena is complete and utter nonsense. Have the devs never played a pvp arena game in their life??
Without equalized arena this is garbage to the teeth.
Fun, they could've equalized the arena and made it competitive. It's just going to be the same 1-3 meta builds 😂. 13 years in development, and they're still struggling to make the right decisions.
Eh, idk if you've been playing much but NCSoft surprisingly is making great decisions with the game, they missed the mark here but also said they probably would before launching it. Now its to see how they take the feedback.
But the arena is in beta lolz let them work on it jezzzzzzzz
The devs are clueless. There's still balance issues that were present in the KR beta. All easy fixes but they've done nothing
man it boggles the mind how so often the worst possible design goes live
Well this is horrible :D I hope they add an equalized option for ranked and keep the unranked whale battles :D
dagger&sword&xbow ruin everything🤣
TBH I have never liked that kind of "3v3 or 5v5" arena matches in MMORPGs... 1v1 or GvG must be the rule.
It's just too much luck-based. If you join a whale team, good for you. Otherwise, bad for you.
Too unbalanced.
no gear influence for arena, just it.. like lost ark
its the most fucked up mmo in every way i ever played... thats for sure
This shit looks clunky as hell, just everyone running a marathon and the combat looks stiff.
Yey a new kanon video, oh wait. It's throne. Nvm
That looks very boring, an empty field and then it’s a numbers game.
There is no winning condition, no baiting or ambushing the enemy, no outsmarting, no situational problem solving.
Non equalized pvp? Yeah lets see how that does.....lolllllllllllllll
No classes, PvP system that lets you use your main gear meaning P2W players will have an upper hand, mediocre combat and a gacha monetization system. RIP this game at release 🤣
they will never fix the gear as long as it's linked to $$$
unbalaced "classes" is a ncsoft thing
Oh so that's why they had the top Esports scene in the MMO genre lol.
@@abdelrahmanrad like what...?
@abdelrahmanrad lol, no they didn't.
@@abdelrahmanrad you never played Lineage 2 i see
Put ranked arenas , maps like mobas , and equalize itens to be fair.
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Oh man this is super slow compared to bdo arena of solare of even eso battlegrounds. No terrain on the map either….
nononononon DONT even try balance game around ARENAS!!!!!
Dont make same mistake as Blizzard with WoW.
WORST part of game when ARENA come out and kids start crying about arena balance.
As result in wow no more balance. But we have seasonal swings. A B C between specs and classes.
Same will be here is you will try balance Solo PvP Group MASS and Arenas.
Not playing this game until gear doesn’t matter in instanced pvp.
arena needs fixed
You talking about op you one shot people and kite around
And won
Just because you win, you can still say that it is garbage.
I think working hard for gear then entering competitions and your gear is useless. BORING!!! If my gear sucks, I expect to get smacked. End of story
Pvp is horrible stun and die in one or two skills
I know it full DPS andy call for nerf Paladins.
Well what I can say. neft it, then tank in front line on GvG :D
Soooo stupid I cant beleave.
Or nefr healers and then wipe on bosses because lack of heal.
Or even better all tanks and healers will respecc to something more DPS andy and will ask you to heal or tank. Pathetic...
They should just copy lost ark
OMG my garres cant peal a tank OMG OMG nert neft it OMG....
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM but I want be top 1 on my daggers. Yes I can oneshot as paper other dps classes.
I dont like to tank or heal in games but I want BE A FCK GOD AND KILL EVERYONE EVERYWHERE.
While I was wathing ... well I dont know what say to you.
Probably chill, play other "FAIR" game.
In MY opinion healers and tanks MUST have respect!
I could agree that stealth could be more powerfull less CD and be longer.
You call wand OP same time playing most broken spec 2h+daggers.
And look at final stats. Mage OP? nnonono all fine.
Wand OP? YEEEEESSSS!
Are your class OP? nonon I was fighting 5% of all time and have 20-25% of MAX damage from fight.
As I said, you can clearly see.
That your class have good damage. OFC you have counter classes thats IS AMAZING!
Im out from here.
classless/doubleweapon is the worst and most boring system i've ever seen in an mmorpg. not only is bad but devs will have an headache when trying to balance the game... just throw the idea away and bring unique classes cmon ncsoft
Refund the game, basically 😅
You're correct but it might be top late
It was pretty fun when i played with it but yea balance might be an issue undoubtedly
I hope the Dev's would follow the idea of UnDecember where every class can equip 1 weapon but the catch is its up to you to build your own skill gameplay depending on the skills you'll loot and power ups passives to further enhance the looted equipped skills.
L take
Seems boring AF
i dont understand why players want pvp to be purely skill while all ragnarok games out there, their pvp/WoE is very hardly heavily P2W and no one even ever complain about it.
Even lost ark arena is equalized….
bro thats basicly everything i hear about the game "this is bad, but they made it better." literally on every single topic youtubers talk about this game. it has me confused and hesitant about this game because the west will always be the afterthought region or the beta testers for china launch in regards to MMORPGs. why cant they just release something and its GOOD because someone that knows what theyre doing and what is fun has been working on it? especially with ncsoft i see them making the same shit "mistakes" they did 15 years ago with aion and beyond. i will test this, but im reluctant to spend on this because ncsoft has to trust back first and if you fall behind without the 30€ worth of monthly subscriptions i can at least say i didnt waste my money on this.
Combat is so bad for pvp
So it's not equalized,.. P2W PVP sucks..
Ur so bad
Kanon u, atk, stoooz and laufie are bullies
In BDO arena battlefield its the same as everyone has there own gear and you can enter with low gear and go against someone with high gear WHATS THE DIFFERENCE like i was a geared SORC and can kill 15 people not die and get away 😂 or if i was a geard dp meme straker and someone entered low gear and was a ranger? Just imagine 3v3 with a shai and 2 dp meme straker L every time.
iF THEY CAN I DONT THINK TANK AND HEALER SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE A THING ONE OR THE OTHER AS IF THEY NURF ANY OF THEM THEY WILL NOT SERVE THE PERPOSE OF THE BUILD/ROLE i do hope they sort things out as im DEFINITELY GOING TO BE PLAYING THO
dam this guy always hate on everything TL does but keeps playing it.... viewfarming on hate
Because TL is garbage.
hes only farming on whatever is trendy
how am i this early?
tarish🗑️land have better arena than this 😂😂
Everyone likes to think that they're the best and say the game or class is broke. Truth is they got outplayed by a better plan and teamwork.
I DISAGREE!!! I LIKE THIS CLASSIC STYLE, COMPETITIVE AND YOU HAVE TO BE GEARED. PROPER COMPETITIVE. THANK YOU TL!!!!
noone cares. 0 people.
sounds like BDO AOS...xDDD super shit:))