First time viewer and really enjoyed your explanations and quick video review. It definitely helps me make a lot more sense of my own tactics and why the attacking fullbacks would start to make a run and then pull back just after midfield and the inside forward would barely ever attack those inside lanes, etc. One thing I would have liked to see in this video is how your tactics looked when you switched from “without ball” to “with ball” to see where the game registers having those players positioned. I usually forget to look at that feature and often times with my own custom tactics there will be a ton of players on top of each other. I’ve noticed the best formations that have worked for me are the ones where every player is pretty neutrally positioned both with and without the ball. Subbed
YES I’m glad I’m not alone with this… i consider myself to be a football traditionalist and I want to win by playing football! NOT the EAFC pace abuse and broken mechanics. I spend so long trying to fine tune tactics and it’s so frustrating at times. I’d rather lose trying to win nice than win playing META bs abuse! I feel tactically my football knowledge is good as I’ve played the game for real at a decent level! But trying the implement it on EAFC is near on impossible! Even players like Messi with 90 plus positional sense act like they have never seen a football pitch in their lives 🤦🏻♂️ so frustrating!!!
played at a decent level, that must be interesting! but yeah. you’re all right on this. no good runs, no diagonal runs ever, or curved runs. no disguised runs either… where somebody makes a run where they know they won’t get a pass but it’ll drag a defender with them and open another gap that another attacker recognizes and moves into. no roaming around the pitch to pick up the ball to create unique little triangles and passing lanes… nothing
has it worked for you? definitely want to make sure it’s not just a me thing after a little more experimentation i don’t think attacking wingbacks are the way to go. they don’t push the wingers inside correctly, they just kinda both run into the wide space
it doesn’t effect the striker because the striker is the default central player. they’ll be the one to make runs still because they start central the striker gets in the way of the LM/RM cutting inside too much. but the game takes priority of default starting position over creative positioning so in my formation. the CMs were prioritized because they were already central thus would be more of an issue in a 1 striker 1 CAM formation. the CAM doesn’t make runs because the striker is central and ahead of them. the CAM will make runs if the striker drifts wide or drops off the 442 is meant to be that shape so it’s not really a hinderance. it’s meant to have the wingers move inside just a little but no more than that. then pass across the middle and get a scoring chance
best of luck! it’s weak at bursting down the field. your players are too spaced out your best attacking outlet is the CDM. sounds weird but trust me, if your play goes through him, you’ll get a lot more chances think about it like this… if you spam the ball all the way forward to your attackers, you’ve got no one ahead of you to be creative with. so all you can do is sprint and dribble if you hold it deeper and build up, you can make a killer pass in a better space, but you can only do that from further back on the field
@johnnymancspice i take it these were working for you ;) formation requires a lot of discipline to play but it’s the only one i can manage to play that doesn’t do my head in. it ALMOST looks like real football and of course! happy to help
@@HazardousFC oh it really is, it’s honestly just what I needed cos as you say I was going with inverted wingers but thought by having half wingers in midfield n false backs coming inside it would force the inverted wingers towards goal but wasn’t working AT ALL. In the space of three games with your set up it felt much better balanced. Just picking up tips from you with the L1 tap now n that’s changed things for me too. Not sure how you ended up on my tl but I’m glad you did 🙌🏼
ha, you think EA heard guardiola talk about isolating wingers 1on1 with fullbacks and decided that’s all wingers should ever do even he used to use inverted wingers until he ended up with KDB and bernardo who you want in the half space instead
btw, after your video i tried 433(2) both cm PM ROAM and both fb wingback, seem working well, as wb pushing winger to cut inside and if not wb ,when cm enter winger zone, winger will start go inside...my gameplay suddenly make total football reborn@@HazardousFC
@muhammadnurariffabdulnasir9700 it’s good! but sometimes for me the CM went to replace the fullback for me, which i didn’t like. this is one of the better setups for sure though, no doubt, that’s the only reason i don’t use it
I think you are half right… because think some of the instructions like inside forward don’t actually trigger until the ball reaches a certain point. It looks like the inside forwards actually trigger in the final third and not the entire pitch
i think that’s right too, however they won’t activate in the final third if someone’s occupying that space instead so i had falseback which pushed my CMs on playmaker attack further forward then even they would usually go, and i was basically attacking with my ST and CMs only you’re right that inside forward activates late, but for me it wasn’t activating at all
it’s frustrating isn’t it curious, what formation were you playing and what runs weren’t being made, does it seem like players were interfering with each other like it has for me? i’m confident this is the issue but i’ve only played a few formations this year
i do! i stream here on youtube. i saw you followed my twitch (thanks!) but i’m just streaming on youtube for now. i’ll probably multi stream on twitch and youtube later on you can check my “live” tab for my last broadcasts. i also upload my gameplay from those streams into edited videos with “RTG” in the name
You’re that guy bro. Sorry I didn’t tune into last stream but your content is a bastion of good info in the midst of this absolutely shit game. I have a lot of skill issues but the lack of faith I have going forward really infects my ability to play well lol
thank you! and no worries on missing the stream trust me on the bastion of good content on this awful game… i hope you enjoy the 40 something minute long skill move tutorial out in a day or two ^^
on attack, they stay wider. think about it like this… with the attack instruction they look to make the first available run. which is always outside. on roaming, sometimes they delay making a run, and by the time they delay and then decide to make one, the space might actually be inside for them to run into it also gives a good balance. with attack it’s mostly just the front 3 attacking. on roaming sometimes the CMs make good runs too
fair! i’m happy to accept the critique. this was my like, 3rd tutorial like video so i’m learning how concise to be. i’ll try to be less jarring by the pausing do you mean how i’m talking, or me cutting between clips a lot?
First time viewer and really enjoyed your explanations and quick video review. It definitely helps me make a lot more sense of my own tactics and why the attacking fullbacks would start to make a run and then pull back just after midfield and the inside forward would barely ever attack those inside lanes, etc.
One thing I would have liked to see in this video is how your tactics looked when you switched from “without ball” to “with ball” to see where the game registers having those players positioned.
I usually forget to look at that feature and often times with my own custom tactics there will be a ton of players on top of each other. I’ve noticed the best formations that have worked for me are the ones where every player is pretty neutrally positioned both with and without the ball.
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YES I’m glad I’m not alone with this… i consider myself to be a football traditionalist and I want to win by playing football! NOT the EAFC pace abuse and broken mechanics. I spend so long trying to fine tune tactics and it’s so frustrating at times. I’d rather lose trying to win nice than win playing META bs abuse! I feel tactically my football knowledge is good as I’ve played the game for real at a decent level! But trying the implement it on EAFC is near on impossible! Even players like Messi with 90 plus positional sense act like they have never seen a football pitch in their lives 🤦🏻♂️ so frustrating!!!
played at a decent level, that must be interesting! but yeah. you’re all right on this. no good runs, no diagonal runs ever, or curved runs. no disguised runs either… where somebody makes a run where they know they won’t get a pass but it’ll drag a defender with them and open another gap that another attacker recognizes and moves into. no roaming around the pitch to pick up the ball to create unique little triangles and passing lanes… nothing
Finally you explained it. I was wondering why my inside forward’s instructions never worked. Nearly went mad about that
has it worked for you? definitely want to make sure it’s not just a me thing
after a little more experimentation i don’t think attacking wingbacks are the way to go. they don’t push the wingers inside correctly, they just kinda both run into the wide space
Im new here and I just subscribe love your videos keep it up
What about 442 does inside forward lm and rm effect the striker ? Or only cms and fullbacks
it doesn’t effect the striker because the striker is the default central player. they’ll be the one to make runs still because they start central
the striker gets in the way of the LM/RM cutting inside too much. but the game takes priority of default starting position over creative positioning
so in my formation. the CMs were prioritized because they were already central
thus would be more of an issue in a 1 striker 1 CAM formation. the CAM doesn’t make runs because the striker is central and ahead of them. the CAM will make runs if the striker drifts wide or drops off
the 442 is meant to be that shape so it’s not really a hinderance. it’s meant to have the wingers move inside just a little but no more than that. then pass across the middle and get a scoring chance
Just what I needed. Start this formation tonight and see how it goes.
Thanks
best of luck! it’s weak at bursting down the field. your players are too spaced out
your best attacking outlet is the CDM. sounds weird but trust me, if your play goes through him, you’ll get a lot more chances
think about it like this… if you spam the ball all the way forward to your attackers, you’ve got no one ahead of you to be creative with. so all you can do is sprint and dribble
if you hold it deeper and build up, you can make a killer pass in a better space, but you can only do that from further back on the field
@@HazardousFC this is brilliant, thanks for the excellent reply - just sat down so will set up now and see.
Thanks again ✊🏼
@@HazardousFCyup, you’ve nailed it. Absolutely perfect this form set up.
Thanks for your time brother, really really appreciate it 🤜🏼🤛🏼
@johnnymancspice i take it these were working for you ;)
formation requires a lot of discipline to play but it’s the only one i can manage to play that doesn’t do my head in. it ALMOST looks like real football
and of course! happy to help
@@HazardousFC oh it really is, it’s honestly just what I needed cos as you say I was going with inverted wingers but thought by having half wingers in midfield n false backs coming inside it would force the inverted wingers towards goal but wasn’t working AT ALL.
In the space of three games with your set up it felt much better balanced.
Just picking up tips from you with the L1 tap now n that’s changed things for me too.
Not sure how you ended up on my tl but I’m glad you did 🙌🏼
it like ea took PepG advices on one player on one space, never invades other player zone 😅
ha, you think EA heard guardiola talk about isolating wingers 1on1 with fullbacks and decided that’s all wingers should ever do
even he used to use inverted wingers until he ended up with KDB and bernardo who you want in the half space instead
btw, after your video i tried 433(2) both cm PM ROAM and both fb wingback, seem working well, as wb pushing winger to cut inside and if not wb ,when cm enter winger zone, winger will start go inside...my gameplay suddenly make total football reborn@@HazardousFC
@muhammadnurariffabdulnasir9700 it’s good! but sometimes for me the CM went to replace the fullback for me, which i didn’t like. this is one of the better setups for sure though, no doubt, that’s the only reason i don’t use it
now u saiid, yeah kinda realise they do come and cover fb which make lose mid triangle@@HazardousFC
I think you are half right… because think some of the instructions like inside forward don’t actually trigger until the ball reaches a certain point. It looks like the inside forwards actually trigger in the final third and not the entire pitch
i think that’s right too, however they won’t activate in the final third if someone’s occupying that space instead
so i had falseback which pushed my CMs on playmaker attack further forward then even they would usually go, and i was basically attacking with my ST and CMs only
you’re right that inside forward activates late, but for me it wasn’t activating at all
Bro I always felt like this shit was happening but couldn’t figure it out.
it’s frustrating isn’t it
curious, what formation were you playing and what runs weren’t being made, does it seem like players were interfering with each other like it has for me?
i’m confident this is the issue but i’ve only played a few formations this year
Thanks bro very good video i now understand why they run like idiots😀
Do you stream? We wanna watch your champs and rivals, Please stream!
i do! i stream here on youtube. i saw you followed my twitch (thanks!) but i’m just streaming on youtube for now. i’ll probably multi stream on twitch and youtube later on
you can check my “live” tab for my last broadcasts. i also upload my gameplay from those streams into edited videos with “RTG” in the name
@@HazardousFC i saw your 5 days back stream ... your experience and class and level of gameplay is fantastic
You’re that guy bro. Sorry I didn’t tune into last stream but your content is a bastion of good info in the midst of this absolutely shit game. I have a lot of skill issues but the lack of faith I have going forward really infects my ability to play well lol
I have shared this to my friends as well
thank you! and no worries on missing the stream trust me
on the bastion of good content on this awful game… i hope you enjoy the 40 something minute long skill move tutorial out in a day or two ^^
oh and thanks for sharing. aaaaaa. everyone is too nice to me
@@HazardousFCcan’t wait for that
Do u play passing or counter and what is ur defense line thank you
short passing for the chance creation type, defensive line is edited to 61
But why are you wings roaming???
on attack, they stay wider. think about it like this… with the attack instruction they look to make the first available run. which is always outside. on roaming, sometimes they delay making a run, and by the time they delay and then decide to make one, the space might actually be inside for them to run into
it also gives a good balance. with attack it’s mostly just the front 3 attacking. on roaming sometimes the CMs make good runs too
Good vid, could u not understand why my lw and rw had no space, running into my cam all the time.
Pausing every couple of seconds is very off putting bruv u could probably still get your point across without pausing so much
fair! i’m happy to accept the critique. this was my like, 3rd tutorial like video so i’m learning how concise to be. i’ll try to be less jarring
by the pausing do you mean how i’m talking, or me cutting between clips a lot?
@@HazardousFC ok my friend the first upload I watched was yesterday I'll keep watching 👍