How A More Casual ESO Playerbase Is Affecting The In-Game Economy 💰 Elder Scrolls Online Gold Guide
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- I think that we can all agree that the new gameplay features that have been released in the Elder Scrolls Online over the past few years have been inherently “casual” in nature. By casual, I mean that these activities are incredibly accessible to the kinds of ESO players that are not looking to sink too many hours into perfecting a certain build or play style. Anyone can summon a companion, complete some simple antiquity-related puzzles, and play some games of Tales of Tribute against novice NPCs and other players.
Couple the more casual-friendly direction that ESO has taken these past few years with the player retention issue that it has, and you get a playerbase where the average player isn’t entirely capable of, or interested in, completing some of the more objectively difficult content that the game has to offer.
As you might expect, the effects of the aforementioned situation have made for some pretty nice gold-making opportunities. In this video, we chat about how we should consider the effects of a more casual-leaning playerbase when looking to earn gold in ESO, and we examine ESO DLC dungeon and trial motifs as a means to support my proposed arguments. I hope that through this discussion, you can consider new modes of gameplay that you haven’t yet experienced, or, you can be better equipped when pricing and even flipping items in ESO.
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0:53 A shift towards a more casual playerbase
7:14 How this shift has affected motif sales
12:53 The main takeaway
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classic Arttea. "ESO community is declining, everybody is whining, time for phat STONKS"
I see an opportunity for making stonks, you bet your ass I'm gonna take it
I love this game coming from years and years on WoW doing the same shit over and over and dealing with cut throat end game toxic environments and butchered lore over and over. People are friendlier here, there’s SOOOO much to do here, and i ABSOLUTELY love the fact that I can solo things, my husband and I recently had a baby and playing time is very, very limited but with how we left our characters we can SOLO a dungeon without a group!
yeah, i think because it is a bit more casual than WoW "generally" is. it also is a better fit for people who have adult lives. be that work or kids or what ever.
Merry Christmas, Arttea! 🎄⛄ As usual, I appreciate and admire your ability to apply real life economic principles to the eso marketplace. And you do so with humor, yet.
Merry Christmas!! And thank you! I try to make what seems like an inherently boring subject matter a *little* more entertaining At least, I find it interesting lmao
I've been playing since 2015 and I've always been a major quester and chaser of Dungeons and Trials skins and achievements. With this video you hit everything right on the nail.
Great advice as always Arttea! I've fallen victim to bad merchant data just like you mentioned. I only look at TTC before I list now. Since I graduated from Arttea's Academy of Acquisiting Awesome Amounts of Assets, I've diversified my sales and got the Count title. Thanks for your great videos and dry humor. Merry Christmas!
How have I not found your channel yet??? I love everything about your videos!
"Back in my day" 😆
Great video as usual. 🍻 Now I'm trashed from the shot challenge.
I love Aretha's ESO guides and I wish you big stonks in next year! 🤲🧡💛💚💙
Thanks for the video! Informative and chill as always! Have a lovely Christmas!
Always amazing info, I am definitely going to start running trials...tomorrow... Definitely Tomorrow...No I mean it 😉 Hope you have a wonderful holiday Arttea and thanks for all the great content this year!! You Rock!
Skinny did your drinking challenge and is sadly no longer with us. Fs in the chat. EDIT: great vid btw
Ah that's a real bummer, Skinny Cheeks was one of my favourite ESO content creators 😩 RIP
Arttea, always love your content. Fairly new player (7 months maybe) in ESO and gaming in general after being away from video gaming for over 15 years. Amazed at the new technological advances in gaming compared to my days when Zelda and Final Fantasy were the “awesome” games in the market. ESO has taken all avail time of gaming since I’ve started video gaming again and it’s videos like yours that enlightens/guides/educates the gamer with “sometimes” no clue of the intricacies the game has to offer. I thank you sincerely for that. I’m a PS NA console player. All methods of gold making you teach us about is truly appreciated always. Keep them tips coming. 🙌
Man I loved ur videos when I was playing. I started to hate the game and quit but most my friends thought I was buying gold after watching ur vids.
Your quick explanation reminds me of the "Walle" change in body types from the decades under big buy.
Great video Arrtea,something i should also do on xbox.I can already see the shiny shiny rolling in.
Part of the issue with undercutting is the listing limitation. I used to price higher but when trying to move stock it made more sense to keep price low and inventory moving. Made much more money thus way.
I've definitely noticed this myself. I was expecting it to be honest, the vets are getting tired and the game I believe is being marketed to new players and not rewarding long timers. It was only a matter of time before the skill level dropped. I always fake heal now (I slot heals too don't hate) and most of the time I'm doing 40-50% of the DPS. Almost every PUG is a carry now.
I've noticed this as well, rolled a healer after finally switching to PC from Xbox and wasn't sure if it was just the PC community but it seems more like there's just more and more casual players playing who don't even have the experience to light attack weave yet.
On God I have not brought a dedicated healer to a veteran pug In years. Its not necessary and I'd rather slot sets that ensure I can solo boss's If needed.
@@Inuzika it makes sense Xbox wouldn’t be affected yet since console is behind pc
Uguhhh fr you can’t even pug randoms anymore cause I don’t wana spend 45 mins doing a dungeon on my healer lol. Unless I’m a dps I’m not.
Idk, I'm still doing dedicated healer stuff still.
I had to teach new players how to not get one shot in the Molag Kena fight for the first time in a while, though I guess
You're one of my fav eso yt ppl ❤
You are too kind
I have DESPERATELY been looking for something I can enjoy doing solo in this game, this video is the perfect golden opportunity. Solo'ing Vet DLC dungeons is something I enjoy but never found rewarding, that is about to change. Thank you.
I've been playing a year and am one of those casual players who enjoys overland resource gathering, occasional delves and quesets, ToT, crafting, housing, and some occasional group stuff. I'm in your guild (which I love) and have been surprised at how selling just bits and bobs that I manage to collect has paid off. I'll have to pay more attention to the value of duplicate motifs that I manage to collect. I keep thinking I should choose a few items to specialize in but then OH LOOK A SQUIRREL! 😄 Thanks so much for you helpful videos.
That's super awesome that you've been able to get some nice sales going! Glad you're having a good time in the guild
I feel I have gotten better at ESO because of your videos - always great content! And Merry Christmas!🎄🎁
That makes me really happy to hear! Merry Christmas!! 🎄✨
Holy s. What an Great explanation plus really well made video. U have my sub with this im really lookin forward for more in the future :) great content there
Thank you very much!!
So my wife and I picked up ESO 3 months ago and are quite casual (somewhere in the 300-400 CP range now). There is so much to see and do, I am not sure the "new casuals" really care much about motifs. Scarcity definitely makes prices rise if there is demand, but if I don't know what I want or what is even available, then I am not going to be looking to buy. I have about a million gold now and have no idea what to spend it on. We do pay the 15 bucks a month, so we got free mounts, some outfits, got a free house from the quest and a bunch of inn rooms. Guess I will buy a house, but most of the cool furniture I have now I made (patterns from the seasonal events - really like the vampire stuff) or got from scrying. I play on the PC so the other platforms may be different.
Everyone plays MMOS their own way, but the market you are used to may be changing more than you think.
Thanks for the info and thought you put into this video. I'll subscribe and watch a few more for sure.
Hey Arttea. Coming consel, PS, here. I completely agree with you on this. We are seeing it as well. My main guild runs normal trials onve a week, and they are having trouble getting enough people for it each week. My group that does Vet, tends to have to pug a couple or just run 9-10. As for my trading guild, that has been interesting. They have almost nightly autions and it is really interesting to watch and see what stuff goes for. As for myself, I am not into the trading game as much as I use to be. I am sitting on a nice 4.5 mill in the bank. Which for console is pretty good. Stuff I do list, I find myself have to drop the prices lower then what I use to just so they would have a chance. One item that I saw get hit really hard a couple of years back and has never really recovered are writs. Use to it was at least 1k a ticket. 2-3k a ticket on jewellrey. Now best not go above 500 a ticket and 100-200 on jewellrey. Motifs and style pages are pretty much a hell mary when listing them. Some times all of mine sell and sometimes they dont. Pop them back in for 1-5k less and sometimes they will move. Still love they game. Just having a hard time finding a reason to log in a lot now a days.
This also goes for some of the overland and public dungeons things. When Murkmire came out Scuttlebloom was going for 30k. The prices were supposed to go down but it seems that barely anyone is still farming those so I can easily list it for 80k (PC EU) and sell it.
Same for the kitten parts from the Summerset public dungeon. The price on that one is slightly higher for what I sold duplicates for when I was farming to collect my own pieces.
Very true! There is so much more content to complete for tradeable rewards, in general, these days!
This was the most useful ESO video I've seen in awhile other than builds. Thanks so much Athena (ima just call you this lol) 🥂 happy holidays
Athena - I like it haha. And you're welcome; happy to help!
@@Arttea Glad you like it :3
I just found your channel and binged all the vids thx for the cool content
Thank you for the support!
Great information as always! Maybe I will try to improve my skills lol
Great work as usual!
Love seeing your videos impact the market in real time. Just checked TTC and theres one Bloodforge helmet motif listed right now and it's for 250k
Keep up the great work gamer
Omg you love to see it. I really hope someone was like "oh shit, I have one of those in my bank!!" and was able to capitalize off of this situation
This video is undeniable. Straight facts. On god. FR FR.
Great video. I'm an end-gamer who has, traditionally, listed motifs relatively under-priced, simply because I was getting so many of them that they were clogging up my bank. Now though, I've been pricing a lot of them above even mid-price and many of them sell even quicker than when I used to put them at the lowest price.
The price increase is the inevitable result of the large exodus of players after U35 and the bugs following it that stopped things like vHOF from being completable by traditional strats and the block bug that made a lot of end-game groups simply stop running entirely. Not only are some of the motifs simply out of reach for most players to get, but even if you are great at the game, you have to find a team of people who are willing and able to run the content in order to get them.
I'm personally lucky enough to still have a group of people that consistently runs both trials and dungeons still, but I know a lot of people who were just breaking into the hard-mode content that quit because it was simply too hard to find groups willing to run with people who didn't know the content.
Those are some great points that I didn't even mention in the video! Because that's so true - the fact that integral game mechanics (like blocking!) have not been functioning recently only pushes people further away from attempting difficult content that rewards motifs. 😩
Why couldn't talk about economics have been thus entertaining in school 😆
Great vid, this does make me consider getting out there and working for some of those motifs that don't have a strong presence in the market place. Those special furnishings are not gonna buy themselves and this broke Breton needs coin
Really enjoyed the in-depth breakdown. I actually stopped playing, again, quite a while ago. I never hit the highest end of the game, but I'm a huge theorycrafter and enjoy crunching numbers and trying to at least play my character as well as possible, though I wouldn't say I'm "hardcore." Having said that, about 90% of the folks that I was playing with last time (that have also stopped playing) were not so much that way, more just kinda...throwing themselves at the keyboard and if they win, cool, if not, do something else.
I do think it's great that ESO has these non-combat gameplay options. Oddly, at least in my case from the above experience, almost none of those casual players were even partaking in those things. I wish I understood the mentality, but it really seems like a lot more folks in the MMORPG genre are casual to the degree that any kind of resistance just ends up with folks leaving or disengaging with that content...and, of course, the game studios tend to want to keep people, so...yeah, naturally the game will change accordingly.
The silver lining, I guess, is that there's a real distinguishing between someone that tries and someone that is just playing to spend some time slapping keys and hoping to get some kind of endorphin hit. And better yet, the former can actually leverage their proficiency for some kind of financial gain. So that's kind of cool.
Anyway, always enjoy the video essays, even if I don't play. You're a fantastic creator and communicator.
Yeah! I think that the kinds of opportunities that have emerged in light of this sharp contrast between the ways in which players prefer to play the game have been really neat to observe (and indulge in, of course 🤑💰)!
Also, side note, I saw that you had written a top comment on the Valheim Mistlands Gameplay Trailer!! I'm a big fan of Valheim myself haha so it was cool to see you there! Hope you haven't been getting your ass kicked too badly by the spawns of satan in the Mistlands
@@Arttea Haha! Small world! Honestly I haven't been getting my ass kicked too hard because I've barely gotten to play it! But hopefully soon I shall also feel the wrath of the Definitely-Not-Netches and other terrifying creatures. =)
Hope you have a wonderful day!
How did you get the nose ring chain to the ear?
Great video, thanks!
I don't mind at all even if you would read the most boring book ever. Love your calming and relaxing voice. Well made video. Pls do more.
I never flipped a specific item successfully, until now. The recent Jester Event item "Scrap of Minstrel's Cloth" (10 for an outfit) was wild. Flipped around 200 - 300 of them and made about 40mil profit. Bought another 100 or so at the last minute (people were getting rid of them like crazy as the final hours of the event came to a close) and will keep them, assuming the price will rise, now that there is no way to get more of them (until next year, if ever). And my guilds were real happy, gave them millions in tax, simply because the item was priced so high on every sale. 70mil in one guild (30mil or so was profit) etc... and 3.5% goes to the guild as tax (4.5% is deleted as tax, too, including the 1% listing fee). Just a wild time.
I think about differences like this from playing RuneScape. I agree with you hypothesis
Im a casual and only 200+ hours in. Just wondering when I’ll be able to buy something other than a dried bush recipe from a vendor. What do guilds do with all that gold?
ur videos have gotten crispy asf and u goofy😂 she said i been snaggin from this guild for years😭
i've 100% noticed a drop in experienced players in dungeons. many dungeons i've been in normal or vet feature a lot more low level/ inexperienced players than before. few days back for instance, i was in a random normal and...well i queued as a heal even tho im a heavy-hitting DD and i got reported and shouted at by a wee cp230. seems to me that there are more players now that dont know the ancient toxic queueing techniques. my e-peen was hurt that day. anyway nice video artoota and merry christmas :)
I have been having the same issue. Lots of low cp folks booting me from normal dungs for fake queing.
@@EricLeisenring deserved, shouldn't do that anyway
@@Mystra yes it shouldn't be done but at the end of the day if you deal enough damage and can complete any dungeon on normal without difficulties then its really not an issue for the other people queueing specifically in random normals (as dds).
They may die a few times from not being healed or from standing in stupid, but do they complete the dungeon faster from high dmg end game players fake healing? yes. do they have to do much? no. is it selfish and toxic as hell? abso-fuckin-lutely, but if they complete the dungeon quicker without having to do as much then why do they complain?
an argument can be made that it ruins immersion and/or learning opportunities for the low level/ inexperienced players and as a filthy RPer, thats understandable, but for a quick zoom through a random normal to get ur daily exp faster by having a fake heal carrying, then i'd say its a win win for all parties involved, selfish or not.
@@KyRo_Dread I get it though like yes if the queue is bad enough, as in taking too long then sure. But usually for me tbe queue is never longer than 20mins
@@Mystra see im the most impatient person i know so if the random normal queue for a DD is longer than 2 mins (which it almost always is) then i'll feel the toxicity run through my veins and feel the need to fake heal XD
def agree that the player base has changed quite a bit, been playing since 2015 myself and since zos made the game more toward the casual side of things quite a few people have gotten .... lax with everything. I've seen people defending the oakensoul ring (which imo came out with great intentions) saying they dont feel the need to get better, they dont want to get better but they still want all the titles, trifectas ... etc....
I have to know what helm is on the thumbnail?
oh boy i bet u are delighted by the giveaway from epic:P
i am one of those:). but my dad plays ESO for years and has been bugging me to join him so now i can for free:)
I enjoyed this.
DLC dungeon Motifs have been increasing in value for sure. Although I think it also needs to be said that their value was deflated considerably due to the ESO anniversary event (the effect of which has finally subsided) and also now becoming inflated just by the sheer volume of new players who do not have them collected. My theory is that not only have we seen a reduction in the number of veteran players, we're also seeing a surge in new players from ESO expanding into the Chinese and South American player markets, as Simplified Chinese and Spanish translations have recently been added to the game. Many of these new players don't even have access to guides (of any kind) in their native language, or may not be able to afford the subscription fee to access all DLC content.
Well, might be, might be not, Brasil have 3 guilds with 500players, since eso launch, i think it's opening more for China. In regards to guides, we just watch na content, as it's pretty common to know english IF you play in brasil
I agree 100% about how the player base is… well I’m less likely to wanna do pugs now than I was even a year ago.
But it’s good that motifs are coming back in terms of pricing. I do endgame PvE so I obviously get a wider access to motifs compared to the scrubs- I mean casuals that are left. I did notice that prices are up
However I’m Xbox EU and the server is basically silent. Sales have impacted a lot because of the block bug and lack of actual content to keep peeps going long term. It’s a real shame
Ahh yeah I wondered how things were on the console side of things. We've lost a fair amount of players on PC NA in recent times, so I figured it might be the same for you gamers. Our sales across the board have been impacted; I find that things sell a little slower than they used to.
@@Arttea yeah same here, but prices have gone up so when shit does eventually sell you’ve got a decent chunk
I feel attacked. This is me. I basically live in trials and dungeons and sell motifs generally for the quick sale price. I'm in two GH progs and a GS prog. I have crafted well over 60+ Welkynar style pages and always have SS pages amongst others. Some of these pages will sit in the shop at even fair prices, the welkynar chest is the hot item out of CR but would I rather it sit in the shop for 2 weeks for an extra 100k or repost a new one with a quick sale, I still ask myself this. I'm also ok with flippers sniping some things if i'm not willing to put in the work that week. I am awful at this though and my bank space dictates these choices often too but you are 100% correct and I kinda needed to hear this, ty.
There are many others like you! I can usually tell when a seller is in a prog because of the sheer volume of trial motifs that they will sell at once for pretty cheap prices haha. I guess it's kind of a symbiotic relationship eh? You trial progging Andys sell your abundance of trial motifs to degenerate item-flippers like me for some quick, but still reliable, cash, and then we sell those motifs to some fashion enjoyers for even more cash a few days later ;p
I love selling in mmos, but there's so many items and so many different prices based on location and time in eso lol, I usually end up getting frustrated that I'm not selling, and listing stuff for cheaper, unless I have a lot of time for researching all these items prices.
What's the crown mask your buddy has on the first person in the video?
He is wearing the “Baron Zaudrus” monster helm style page!
@@Arttea thanks
used to farm in hollow city, had 4 or 5 others farming too; now i go there and half time i'm the only farmer
Nice. I'm the avg pve fisher who fishes for 30 min while indoor cycling daily and makes 300000-400000g a week selling fish in hope to save for houses which is the true endgame.
I can see why dromathra motifs are worth as much as they are after finally completing vmol, or does it drop on normal as well?
Congrats on the vMoL clear!! And my understanding is that those motifs drop on norma as well (it's been so long since I've done vMoL so I can't remember, but I think it would make sense that they drop on normal the way motifs do in other trials). I also just think that because the gear is pretty obsolete there, there are not as many players running through MoL these days, which would explain why those motifs are heckin pricey!
Part of what drives the price up is tamriel Trade Centre. Players will post things for sale at high prices as a way to store an item. Because it is sometimes cheaper to pay posting fees.
Ah yeah I have seen people list items for pretty crazy amounts (hundreds of thousands or millions when the item is worth no more than say 100k). If this is done for storage purposes, do you think that those items still sell? I would wager that the sales are what drive the prices up, rather than those one-off million gold listings for obscure items.
@Arttea I truly think some items are greatly overpriced. Especially during events. Sometimes, the seller is hoping the buyer is lazy or desperate.
I do this actually and TTC doesn't know the difference between listing and sold. That's why you need ATT or MM, but yes I wager many people store things this way for sure
Everything on the market is just so expensive... A 1000 gold purr heartwood... But at the same time I get it farming for that sucks I'm pretty much always broke so I couldn't afford that... But 4 days of grinding and I got the crystal skin... And honestly I think I appreciate it even more.. I'd love to find some people to do dungeons with but I'm completely new to it and I don't want to slow people down So for the time being I'll just quest and learn the mechanics and I guess maybe one day I'll start looking into it
I have been playing for about 4 years as well and i am def a casual player now. I basically hadn't played eso for about a yr or so besides getting those daily logins cause i just gotta log in for my reward lol Previously when i was very active i never was able to get into end game content like vet trials because my dps sucked and didn't have the "meta" gear. I was never planning to be the best player either cause i really didn't want to put in the time to spend hours of parsing to get better dps numbers when i could be out and about doing other things that are actually enjoyable and just play the game. I recently started to play again the last couple months and just doing my casual things basically til i get bored again and take another break lol
Haha I get that, the FOMO is REAL with those daily rewards 😬And yeah that's fair - I actually HATE parsing (I'm sure endgame PvE sweats will be able to tell any time they watch me haphazardly carry out a rotation) but fortunately, I've still been able to get some excellent vet HM trial clears (where I pulled my own weight!) despite the fact! What little practice I did on the trial dummy paired with my DLC dungeon diving experiences with friends over the years really paid off. I also don't run particularly meta stuff, I mean, I'm a bow/bow stamblade heh. Anyways, just mentioned that to let you know that endgame content is totally possible even for those that don't prefer to hump dummies on the regular!
I wonder if this is why I've seen the Dro M'athra motifs going to what I would consider stupidly high prices (over 100K), since to me that trial isn't nearly as difficult as the ones that came after. I've also noticed that older quest daily motifs like the ones from Gold Coast sell pretty well because no one is really doing that content
Oh yeah absolutely! I'd wager that MoL isn't ran as often because none of the gear there is really "meta" - I'd say it's all fairly obsolete now. So there aren't a lot of players that are interested in completing it, save for maybe to prog it for the vMoL skin. In light of this, the prices of the motifs that drop from MoL are rightfully worth quite a bit! And that's a good point about the daily motifs as well - some zones get forgotten about, so the motifs from their dailies are worth $$$!
Motifs are reqd for the style master achievement, which is reqd for master crafter. The biggest difference I have noticed over many years is the way dungeons are run. Now on normal you either get very low lvls or very high lvls. Vet dungs are now anybodies. Fake tanks and healers was always a problem, but now no one cares it seems due to the lack of peeps doing dungs now. Also the lack of anyone knowing the mechs of vet dungs now is real let down making the event almost meaningless and less enjoyable. You are right about IC as it is empty.
It's sad to see almost zero vet trials in chat in craglorn. Used to be able to pug into 3 or 4 vet trials a night. Lucky if I can pug 1 all night these days
I haven’t played pvp in a long time in eso, is it worth it anymore?
I don’t really do anything in eso anyway I guess, just craft stuff for my guild and wait at vampire or werewolf shrines for someone to wander over to bless them with my gift😂
Would like to ask i have been farming torchbug thorac it is in barely any traders does this no one wants them
I noticed is also. Every Dungeon I run now is a fake Tank and, Healer. Also the Reward system is def made for Casuals.
Basically a lot of people left because of the constant shift in the meta, hit-or-miss servers, and lack of new content for PvP.
Blackwood or High Isle would of been the best time to add the new PvP zone though Q4 of Necrom would of worked better than the never ending dungeon thing.
A smaller version of Cyrodiil would be cool. Maybe connected to Sheogorath / Jyggalag or something.
But great video. Gold making in ESO is always interesting.
As an endgamer, i just dump all motifs I get from dungeons/trials carries to guild store, to sell fast and just get rid of them, since gold is not problem after golding out all jewelry after u35.
I am someone who played this game before launch for many years down the line. After dungeon finding became a thing I actually enjoyed it for the first month because I could get infinite resources and money and xp without doing much of anything, but then when that wore off I actually found myself quitting the game. I don't know why exactly, but ever since then the game never felt the same and it lost its appeal to me. I still get on every now and then, but really only to roam around my house and stuff.
I'm curious after four years of playing what you still find to spend gold on? I played for a while when the game first started, but didn't get that far, I think my highest level character was about Lv.34, although, to be fair, levelling took substantially longer then. I returned to the game about 18 months ago and in that time I've bought every house, every motif on two characters, every recipe including furniture, most runeboxes and style pages. I make about 5-10M gold per week currently on PC NA almost exclusively from doing writs on 18 characters and selling the materials, master writs that I don't want and getting more materials from the survey reports. I'm already running out of things to spend gold on, other than getting motifs on every other character. I have no idea what veteran players spend it on or why they may want to farm gold.
A lot of endgame players (once they've learned all of the motifs and satisfied their housing addiction) tend to spend their millions on crown items, by purchasing them through a crown-trading service like TCE! That is what I used to do with the millions that I made every week. These days, I pitch in about 15 million of my own gold each week to help fund my community's guild trader! Otherwise, I'd continue buying crown items with my gold, like those damn crown crates haha
@@Arttea Wow, speediest reply ever. I suspected the crown store may be the answer. I find that I get more than enough crowns from subscription to buy everything I want and on the odd occasion that I want something from a crown crate, I usually have enough seals of endeavor for it. Obviously without a subscription or other access to crowns, things would be very different, but I don't think I'd enjoy the game enough to want to play it without a subscription. The thought of playing on one character and using all of the others for storage isn't too appealing.
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That is the Baron Zaudrus undaunted mask style page!
@@Arttea Thanks!!!! ❤❤
K ya I'm smashed now........lol jk I already used up my liver.
Love 💕 the info you give and how you explain the fact "there is a chance to make more" as I'm one of those dingbats who sells for way to little gold.
I appreciate your content and the time you put in for us...... thank you Arttea 😊
My best "flip" was buying a Praxis: Khajiit Brazier, Enchanted for 20K and selling it for 29M, although they went up to 40M shortly after that 😂
I still haven't been able to bring myself to level the archaeology skill lines(so boring).... After 3 years of dungeon running.. I've noticed that after U35 there are basically only beginners and really experienced players left. There are fewer mid game people in the pugs I get. Though if I'm lucky I sometimes get like 3 CP2500+ players where one may even be a professional gamer.. Or I get 3 CP300-1000 players where I(as a tank) do 50% of group damage..
I don't do dungeons very often because people are scary. The rewards don't feel worth the effort it takes to put up with people who zoom ahead without a care for slowpokes like me who actually choose skills and gear because they seem fun rather than research what the current meta build might be this quarter.
PvP is scary, because I'm slow and panic when I get attacked which means I spend 90% of the time spitting dirt, and it's not fun. There's no learning curve in PvP; you either meta or die. I didn't start playing the game to spend 90% of my time doing online research on *how* to play the game.
I don't sell things in guild traders anymore because to be in a guild I have to be online consistently and some days (or weeks) I just don't feel like playing, and it's annoying to be kicked for inactivity. Crawling back hat in hand and asking to be re-added is awkward. People are scary.
I also... don't really play to earn gold? Idk man, gold is just a necessary evil because so many of the things I could do myself take forever to gather. I'd happily craft any furnishings and gear for myself, but that also means that I'm spending most of my time harvesting to get the furnishing materials I need. Heartwood is rare, man.
So... idk. I'd rather run free through the flowery meadows of Summerset and catch butterflies than crawl through sweaty, cramped tunnels with a bunch of people who want me there even less than I want to be around them. If that makes me casual... I guess I'm a casual.
Haha that's completely fair. I will say, finding a good group of people to play ESO with can really make a difference and make that other content so much more enjoyable. Friends won't mind what sets you're running or how you chose to run through a dungeon, and they may even be willing to show you the ropes of pvp! I totally agree though, pvp has an incredibly steep learning curve, and most of the population is either very skilled at pvp, or they are really struggling with it. I'd also offer that there are some communities/guilds out there that are pretty lax when it comes to requirements - whether it be experience in pvp/pve needed to join those kinds of events, or sales and activity requirements needed to remain in a trading guild etc. Finding those havens makes the world of a difference when playing ESO casually
@@Arttea Holding on to the hope that I'll be able to find such a place in the coming year! I do love the game, and the notion of a tight knit group of people with whom you can have a good time is never a bad one.
I don’t think your take is outlandish and I can corroborate your observations. I’m just surprised that they choose this game to play casually as there are way better solo casual experiences (I play them too!). I’m just glad I did the grand master crafter grind years ago so I didn’t have to pay an arm and a leg to get the needed motifs haha (shout out TholosTB for his TTC price charts).
Same here! While some of my friends use Skyrim mods to make their game more challenging, I actually really prefer to play Skyrim super casually haha. But not ESO - I love the opportunities to complete difficult challenges with groups of players that ESO has to offer! I wonder if a lot of people try out ESO because they expect it to be like Skyrim, but "online"? There definitely are a lot of players that prefer to play ESO entirely "solo" (which I've always found curious, considering the fact that this is an MMO), which I think further amplifies some of the points in this video.
And omg you and me both, I am so glad I got my GMC when dungeon motifs were easily
I choose it because of how easy it is to play casually and non casually. You're not limited to playing 1 way.
@@brandon9172 Yes that is definitely true. I really like that about ESO as well. Some days I feel like decorating my home or making a new outfit. On other days I feel like curb-stomping EP in the Blackreach campaign. A healthy dose of both casual and more "hardcore" gameplay does the body good
I think I sell my items for too low, but don’t play often enough to care 😂
I do agree that a lot of the more hardcore players have left, and casuals have taken over.
You bring up important points here. Members of any hardcore fanbase forget they're in a bubble, and a small bubble at that compared to the larger more casual audiences. Sure members of the hardcore audience like myself might be able to froth at the mouth and play for hours at a time, but Johnny Fire Staff might be so busy with life and work that he only has a couple hours a week to play anything, let alone an mmo.
Lol, this makes me wanna go online for the first time in months to list my hundreds of style pages I have stashed in my chests. 😂 I also had go to TTC to check what Tel Vars were selling for but I couldn't even search for them 🤔
Ah tel var is a pvp currency, not an item! You can use tel var to purchase exclusive items though, like hakeijo runes, xivkyn polymorphs, and gear lockboxes for sets like powerful assault!
@@Arttea Oh, ofc 🤦 Got them mixed-up with key-fragments... Look what being away from ESO does to you, even after 7 years of playing 😂
I've literally logged in only to do writs and get daily rewards since before Christmas. It just is not drawing me in anymore as much. I am sure this is just a phase and I will be back eventually, but I have noted that the main reason I stopped was largely due to the lack of reward for questing, delving, or undaunted. I must say though that I have sworn off very dungeons pretty much entirely due to my unwillingness to min/max my gear and EVERYONE else's hate thrown at me for not doing 126k damage as a TANK. I've seriously been voted out of PUGs because I wasn't "effective" enough. As a tank. While pulling all the adds and holding the boss. Ya know, my freaking job.
My takeaway is, scalpers who buy up and resell stuff at higher prices is the reason we can't have cheap things.
Hi, former (pre update 35) endgame raider here. The reason for the underpricing of items for me personally was that I just didn't really need the money and just wanted to get rid of the motifs. I always had multiple millions in my bank, I know that's not considered rich in eso as there definitely are billionairs but for me it was enough to afford everything I needed.
Ah yeah that's completely fair!
Same here. Why hold on to motifs when I can undercut the prices. Especially if you know how to maximize events like the anniversary one. A few thousand gold isn't much when you're sitting on 1000+ motif pages
Do you stream?
I do not, currently. I play on a laptop and whenever I've tried out a test stream the quality has been quite shite haha. I am also pretty shy 🥺 But I would like to try out streaming....some time.....eventually
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I have kinda gone at it with players in the zone chats of Cryodiil, where to the general player there now, the only way they think they can do anything is to let alone zerg, but faction stack. They just yell in all caps screaming for everyone to go here or go there. I have long said that strategy left Cyro a long time ago.
I love your videos and are you really just 14? And on your armour, the chest motif, looks like it has room for jewelry?
14? And if you are referring to my armour loadout, I unslot my “ring of the wild hunt” when filming cinematic b-roll for the video. I don’t play through content like that lmao
(If that is what you are referring to! Otherwise I’m not sure what you mean 😅)
As a newbie (7 months), it is hard to know WHICH ones are interesting/valuable...
Oath swarm pit dongeon is impossible to finish with the players I find
Im curious about other servers...
because it is also a big difference I see between PC-NA and PC-EU.
Usually lower skills and higher prices for motifs, tel var stuff , etc (500k+ for Militant ordinator motives?!?!) in PC-NA
I'm curious as well! Would love to hear any insights from the gamers on the other side of the pond (and even our gamers that play on console). Economies and prices across servers are also vastly different (take one look at our differing crown conversion rates and you'll know what I mean), so that would have to be taken into account when comparing prices and whatnot.
It’s 15-20k for 4 psijic ambrosias when we’re not in an event, 40k for 4 Artherial. It’s ALOT harder to make money on ps server unless you’ve been at it awhile. I’m only 6 months in so I’m still learning all the motifs and recipes that drop rather than selling them but maybe I should change that😂 but I’d rather learn it for free once an then sell it all the other times. Either way.. pvp isn’t as populated either as P.C. but it’s still a ~healthy~ amount I think. I mean I can be out in the middle of nowhere in basically any zone and will still stumble upon someone so people are playing. Our prices just vary so so much. Ratio wise I’d say it’s pretty even though considering we can’t sell for as much as P.C. since people aren’t making as much, if that makes sense.
If only you had been my Econ professor in college, I would be filthy rich irl by now
Ironically, I am a very poor student irl so ...
Lol I used to be the number 1 morrowind motif flipper back in 2018-19 all I’d do I’d run around grinding for motifs then buy it from trader then flip so all items were 20k+
Yes this worked wonders for me. Why did I stop? I had visitors over and they just watched me spend 4 hours doing this like some robot and I’ll never forget the disappointment in their voice when they said “Is this all you do? Aren’t you bored”
At this moment I knew it was time to allow the noobz to buy their morrowind motifs for 9k instead of my 20-35k
Great vid. I wish the Console game was equal to the PC game. Console players are required to spend way more time online to find things. I'm a casual player and I've been broke the entire time I've played.
I found a great way to make gold on PS. All I did was start a toon in all nine slots and do daily writs with them all every day. At 5.1k per toon (depending on level), close to 50k in under 30 minutes a day....not including all the gold mats and surveys each toon gets daily this strategy will make you a millionaire in under a month. Six of my toon have never been away from the daily writ board and have never needed to swing a weapon 😉
Oh boy whenever I'm done with my biannual break from ESO I'm going to be rich!
PuGs are basically lazymode running. People give maybe 50% effort at best I've found. AT BEST.
They just want to be carried to the rewards bag at the end.
I've played on and off since beta, and have always been primarily into the solo PvE stuff. I'm part of the crowd who came from love of previous solo Elder Scrolls games with no prior MMO experience. A dirty casual, as the sweaty meta PvPers would say. In the past few years I've finally started significantly participating in group PvE content and improving my character builds, and also tried a few other popular MMO's for comparison. Overall I still like ESO best, and solo PvE activities best. The changed I've noticed most in the past couple of years is player attitude devolvement. It's always been a mixed bag, but I felt it was overall more neutral and cooperative until this year. This year such a large percentage of normal dungeon queue groups (meant for low level and casual players) are dominated by a Sweaty fake tank who treats it like a competitive race to the finish rather than a cooperative group activity. Seeing those inconsiderate pieces of **** ruin the experience for newbies (and me) so often lately has made me want to participate with other people even less than I did before. And there has been so much tantrum-throwing by streamers over things that were minor or only affected a small percentage of people, with cries of 'game is dying!' that I've just HAD IT with a large chunk of the community and just want to go back in my hermit hole. I play to destress, not get more stressed, so being able to engage with new areas, quests, and items each year without the frustration of extreme difficulty or having to deal with other people (potentially jerks) has been a key factor in my staying. I'm enjoying the price increases on some of the stuff I farm though!
Yeah that's fair. I tend to stick to playing with friends and guildies and I feel that that has served me well in the sense that I haven't run into too many unfavorable situations. I've definitely heard my fair share of horror stories from viewers in my comments section about the kinds of experiences that they are having upon grouping up with pugs to run content, and I'm really sorry to hear it. :/ I always figured that I hear more of these accounts of really unpleasant dungeon runs and whatnot in recent times because the size of my channel has grown quite a bit in the past year and a half, but it could also very well be because the likeliness of these incidents has increased recently. The prospect of that being a reality is really unfortunate :/ As always, I totally recommend playing with friends or trusted guildies if you're looking to complete group content in a manner that vibes with you Doing so has definitely kept me sane over the years haha
Im one of your faketanks who solo tushes the dungeons and is gone before u arrive in the first boss room and i can explain to you why. 1. Im a pvp player yet to be able to play pvp in this game you need to farm pve sets because thats the choice zos Made. These dungeones are boring as fuck tho and need no skill at all. So im not gonna take 5 min on it just cuz some guy wants to waste time. U might say why not go into the solo dungeon then. Well zos gives way better loot and xp for random dungeons then for soloing the dungeon. The reason im queuing tank is tank takes 5 seconds to find a group while dd takes Minutes. And again u dont need a tank cuz theyre so ez. So ye the reason is zos forces me into pve and then makes it so boring that i dont want to waste any time on it. So thank them. Also mate it has nothing to do with sweaty the normal dungeones are so ez u cant sweat through them. So from your perspective its a group activity. But from my perspective its something i dont want to do but have to do for something i want to do. So for me it indeed is just a race to the finish. Also why u call these ppl piece of shit for valuing your time ? I would call you that for not valuing my time and taking forever to complete boring content.
I agree cause long timers are leaving, I'm here since beta but I have very very few veteran friends still here.... It's sad
What maybe also a reason is that there arent as many dungeon and trial motifs on the market place is that for example someone like myself who gets their gold from carries. I cannot be arsed to sell motifs for 50/80/300k. I dont even take the time to do it. Have money to blow and it takes to much effort to put stuff on traders. (this was not meant to brag this is just how I feel dont kill me)
That's a solid point. I'm sure motif money is peasant change in comparison to the fat stonks you rake in from selling carries! Not worth the hassle of giving a damn about trading when you're already rolling in it eh? ;p
I don't know if I'm a casual player and don't have time for vet dungeons runs. I was on my magisorc healer and it took 5 hours to do 1 pledge dudgeon on vet with 2 other guildies(fake tank pick up). That experience killed vet content for me. Now that I have a decent DPS templar I wouldn't mind trying again just for motif farming. I love housing and pve content. I only go to Cyrodil for treasure maps and keep the telvar from the free login rewards in my bank. I put in maybe 30-40 hours a week. I farm furnishing plans for me and a few friends. I drop off the extras in a guild bank and sell the hella expensive ones.(One day the enchanted elsweyr brazier will be mine). I've done really well on some of the events and made what I consider serious coin(5mil at most but boy as that nice!)
Ooo good luck with the enchanted elsweyr brazier farm! And oh yeah, events bring some absolutely amazing gold-earning opportunities to the game! Sorry to hear about that dungeon experience - I've definitely been there before. I was in a vCoA 2 run a few years ago that took hours because my groupmates were nowhere near equipped to take on that content (one of the dps was dual-wielding a sword and board, and the other one was dead for 99% of the run somehow). Safe to say that experience depleted my interest in PvE content for a hot minute I'm glad I gave it another shot though - it is much better if you can run with an entire group of friends or guildies for sure!
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with playing ESO casually! Play however ya want
@@Saradominstr considering how awful the endgame culture is in ESO, it doesn’t surprise me people choose casual play. I know many talented players that could do HM dlc trials, but choose not to because they enjoy their family guild events and casual play. Of course the lack of rewards hurts the endgame community, but really what has made it unattractive for casual players is the culture.
@@Saradominstr ESO's Casual community is very warm and welcoming and helpful. The endgame world is a bit of a mixed bag. In some instances, they are helpful but very disconnected from rest of the player base.
I think PVE content is easy, and it should be as easy as it is. Overland content attracts players that are more casual. If the content was harder, Youd just have less of those players, Not better players. As a newer player myself I would hate to be bogged down by overland content when your spending time trying to get caught up to the endgame community. (I started HM trials a few months ago, and my start date was April 4th) ESO is Overwhelming for new players! and I think that is the problem with the game not keeping newer players. Instead of investing on new systems like the card game, I think they need to make some content for more variety, Like 2 Man Arenas, or even 6-man Dungeons. That would be a good way of breaking the ice for players going from 4 man to 12-man trials where it's an entirely mode of play.
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I just came back to the game, and I know nothing. After several years, I thought I had plenty of gold to craft some jewelry for a friend, until I saw chromium plates on the market for 330 t0 340K. I was shocked, and I told my friend it was going to be epic. I had 11, and I was debating whether I should get in a trading guild, or hold on to them. I'm just a casual player, but I'm older than dirt. My arthritic hands won't let me keep up with you young people.
Ah yeah, I can only imagine how much of a shock it would be to come back to the game and take a look at the value of some of the items in your inventory! Material prices have been pretty stable for the past while (some have even decreased in value slightly after the mass exodus of players in U35 and U36) so it may not be a bad idea to sell them for some cash if you need it! If you don't want to bother with trading guilds, you could see about selling your wares in zone chat as well - just be sure to get an amount of gold that you're happy with, as zone chat can be quite brutal when it comes to selling and buying wares.
@@Arttea Wow, that was a quick response. Thank you very much for your advice.
How about us PvPers being forced to do PvE to get our tickets
Totally agree with you as far as it goes, but I would also like to put forward the theory that the end game is being killed by the vet players themselves.
ESO community is very welcoming mostly except for vet dungeons and trials. The predominant attitude appears to be "don't come here unless you know what you're doing".
Unfortunately, even if you watch the TH-cam vids, over and over again, you're not going to remember how to run a hard dungeon - the only way is doing it and making mistakes. The mechanics on some are very complicated and, you're going to screw up a lot before you get it. The unwelcoming responses put a lot of people off dipping their toe in the water - knock on effect, you can't find groups for vet dungeons.
Having said that, every cloud - I'd certainly be taking financial advantage of the situation.
There goes all the deals I was getting.
My apologies
@@Arttea 😆