Is it doom and gloom for England? | T20 World Cup Sky Sports Cricket Podcast
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Ath is in Barbados, whilst Nas has landed in The Big Apple, as the T20 World Cup nears the end of the group stages. They share their thoughts on England’s defeat to Australia and discuss where this leaves their World Cup chances. Plus, they look back on India’s win over Pakistan. You can follow the T20 World Cup across Sky Sports.
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This has been one of the most exciting WC so far.
1. Variety of pitches and conditions, supporting seamers, spinners, batsmen with mental toughness, and not just super flat 250+ roads.
2. Incredible upsets and many near upsets.
3. Real chance of an associate nations, US and Scotland, qualifying while full members like Pakistan, England, NZ, SL, and Ireland failing to qualify.
4. Associate nations having competitive games against full members even when losing.
Hats off to Athers! Such an eloquent speaker, great knowledge of the game, unbiased, organised thought flow, etc, etc...running out of superlatives! Pleasure and privilege listening to both of you!
The doom and gloom is 3 T20 series win in 2 years. 2 odi series win in two years. Group stage last year. Group stage this year. Butler and Mott can't continue after this tournament
They still have 2 games mate , they can surely make it
Selection has made 0 sense.
@@larrygerry985 yaaa TBH , bowling looking too weak IMO
This isn't the Archer of 2019 and I don't see any venom in spin department too .
@@larrygerry985More than selection.Butttler captaincy is very poor mate
One 🌧️ washout and England team can go home, Livingstone and Johnny yet to make any significant contribution in white ball cricket since the start of 2023
Butler is a great batsman, decent WK and a not very good captain, Rob Key will be busy when this tournament ends
We need more tournaments like this where bowlers can benefit too, I'm sick of these 200+ scores in t20, and 400 scores in Odi all the time..... when it's level playing field the quality of games is better
its why more exciting than the slugfest
Two mischievous children, bloody hilarious! Brilliant thoughts/views!
england has looked very poor tactically and skillfully
Bro the leadership of joss is awful.And th eng cannot win when you have 4 opener in your team
Jos brought livingstone in bowling when the batters are set,still he got wicket in the first over of Marsh,liam needs to bowl in every game and full 4 overs,he is a gun bowling option for England
I think Buttler shouldn't keep the wickets. He should be fielding on mid off mid then after he would be in constant touch with the bowler.
Eng only played one game so far, give them a chance
@@HULKBGMI atleast he has a world title as a captain, can't say the same for virat the captain and rohit the captain.
Both these blokes were amazing to me as a young fella. Nass Cover drive was lovely! Athers was the quintessential Opener, Textbook.
Rizwans shot was so high risk when he had the game pretty much won. Also Bumrah actually served up 2 leg side full tosses in his last over which could easily have both gone for 6.
Bumrah action is aquard and he bowled low full toss in the stumps so it's difficult to hit for a six.
Bumrah bowled many times full toss because of his action is difficult to hit
@@chatcricket1405 u are the main reasons why india and pakistan is still hating each other. Bring ur political views elsewhere
At the beginning at this world cup, Scotland were 250/1. Now, Scotland are 40/1.
As usual, a very objective and engaging podcast👍😊❤️
Time to chuck out Bairstow & Livingstone . bring in Duckett & Crawley
No Crawley in the squad
Crawley is currently playing domestic T20s for Kent and has, so far, amassed 50 runs in four innings.
@@johnab67 form is temporary, class is permanent
Long island where most rich folks (who owns firms in Manhatten) live next to lovely beaches. great communities.
Righto
Australia should’ve qualified for the semis in 2022 if not for the rain game and the New Zealand game, now both England and New Zealand are getting karma for that
Lots of nice beaches in Long Island so it’s a nice place to get away from the summertime city heat.
Two legends, great commentators & cricket analysts.
All finishers of England battjng order are combinely finished against Australia
Toss is less of a factor but surely adapting to the pitch was something Eng didn’t do quickly enough
Starts from 16:32 guys.
God’s man
you are bumrah to me my man
Hero 🙇
Love u bro ham
This was always going to be the problem with having groups of 5.
The FIFA World Cup fell into this problem a few years ago with sides knowing what results would work out best for them, (and maybe sides they wanted to “help”👀), in the long run. As such now all final group games are played at the same time.
Bringing 20 sizes into the T20 World Cup was an awesome idea, but it should have been five groups of four, not four groups of five.
Speaking as an England fan, it looks like the Aussies might have to do us a favour so I just hope they play as hard as I know they are capable of.
It's round 1 and it was something which as an Intl team, you are expected to win. There are no favours in this, maybe india at times because of the business BCCi does with ICC( which is not right), beside them there are no such favours.
India is playing in US whereas some teams are playing in Carribbean conditions where Super 8's and rest of the tournament will be held so how the favour is done for India when it is going to be against them when they will be new to these conditions in Super 8..
Ok, had to do a little digging on the 1999 world cup. Nasser's being a bit humble but he isnt too far off actually, sorry. While it's your heavy defeats against SA and India that have cost you more, but knowing that you got defeated heavily against SA (bundled out to 103 chasing 226), looks like you'all could have done a bit better chasing in the next game against Zimbabwe. While you included Thorpe, he's actually managed to finish with a decent strike rate of 78 whereas you've finished not-out scoring 57 off 93 balls, with a strike rate of 61! I am just curious, so back then there were no conversations at all about NRR while playing the league games? 3 out of 6 teams have got the same number of points in the group and you've crashed out coz of NRR.
Nasir Hussain one of the greatest analyst for cricket the most I like him ❤❤❤
England also not perform very well we don't know what is the reason behind this .
I look to the Afghanistan team their performance is so good as a Pakistani I can say that this world cup Will be win Afghanistan team.... Please guys what is your suggestion about my prediction...
Sunday morning for me started off perfectly.
These low scoring games are so fun to watch..
You know there are a few Scottish subscribers too?
At this point I think we would all chop our right bollock off to have Stokes available, but as it is, Duckett needs to come into the top 4, probably for Bairstow. I'd also be tempted to get Curran in for Jordan - can still wack it down the order, very solid fielder and a left arm option. We had way too many right handers against Aus in both batting and bowling which meant they could target the short boundary and we struggled to attack and defend it. We need a lot to go right for us to get through to the next stage. We need to win both tosses, bowl Namibia and Oman out very cheaply and then knock the runs off in double quick time, all whilst hoping Aussie either batter Scotland or it gets rained off. Hence the doom and gloom 😄
Think in case of "rained off" between Australia and Scotland, Scotland will have 6 points - one more than England after its wins against both Oman and Namibia.
@Nimit-im3bk course they would mate, schoolboy error from me! Let's hope for a crushing Aussie win then! I feel dirty even typing that 😬
@@theTommoBFCit's not as difficult as people are making it out to be imho.. if England chase both games early with an average chase time of say 16 overs, net run rate would heal itself nicely
@yusuflakhi2720 I hope you're right bro 🙏🏻 Tactics wise, I think they will try and decimate Oman inside 10/12 overs to make life a bit easier against Namibia.
I totally agree, Australia would get up to some shenanigans to knock England out and let Scotland through and that would be a win in both respects.
Scotland has every opportunity to beat Australia. In the washed out game against England Scotland were very,very strong.
@@Etherglide I absolutely agree. England yet again let Scotland get too many runs just like they did in the defeat in Edinburgh a few years back.
First England got to beat Oman and Namibia. Oman will lose to them, yes but Namibia is not someone you can just brush away. They have got 2-3 players, who on their day can win you a game single handedly. Of course, as a team England are far far superior, but imagine Rubel Trumpelmann just producing 2 great inswingers in the first over of the match or David Wiese coming and tonking a 30 of 10 balls. Let England first counter Namibia then we'll think about Scotland vs Australia 😊
@@Etherglide
Mate. If Scotland beat Australia I’ll wear a kilt….
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@@Etherglide sure buddy😂😂 thats if aus wants them too
Bairstow has never been so popular. All other teams and their fans just love him. Please don't drop him.
Livingstone, Bairstow, Ali, Jordan, Wood, and Rashid have many question marks about their futures.
rashid doesn't but agree on the rest
Livingstones been rubbish for about 2 years now. Had a great year in 2021 and still seems to be living off that
Need a new captain and coach as well.
Ali has been good, only one trying to counter attack
2022 finalists are in trouble to move ahead in WC 💀
The most hilarious bit is that nobody can tell which finalist you’re talking about 😂
@@rihitjamb3757actually both of them😅
@@rihitjamb3757 everybody can tell , maybe you don't watch cricket
@@FootballFifaTv-ho3si you clearly missed the joke mate
Wood has pace to burn but he has no variation
Bring it Duckett and Curran for Bairstow and Livingstone. Topley for Jordan. Jordan is such a waste for years now!
Conditions in WI and USA wouldn't have suited england style of play and its evident in the way they have played so far they ve depth in batting but their bowling lacks specialists
England batsman mostly struggle on slow and gripping surfaces and even their bowlers struggle to adjust to the conditions.
Even if any of the matches gets washed out england ll out of the tournament, the only thing that is within england control is to win remaining matches one sided which ll help in improving the run rate.
Wanna ask people's thoughts if Topley can swing the ball in and out , can't he play the test summer because Jimmy's retiring. Topley can ball with the new ball he could potentially be a option. I think so blaming Bairstow , Brook and whoever else was no point that pitch was slow England had to bowl slower balls which we didn't cause we went with pace and that got gunned by Warner and Travis.
He’s constantly plagued with injuries majorly bowling 4 or 10 overs a game, wouldn’t want to risk him bowling 20 overs when it’s not even his best format
Just love you two, I'm gonna play it to sleep.
Nas must’ve picked the “Chelmsford” of New York State
Yes, it is
An advert every 4 minutes for this video is ridiculous
My two favourite cricket pundits ❤
Did I just hear iftikhar and tim David in the same breath? 😂
The T20 format is a great equalizer. English team seems confused which usually means a lack of direction and leadership from the team management and the captain.
Golf at Bethpage @nasser?
World cup (WC) on one side and listening to these gems are on the other and the latter is more exciting and fun than the boring WC :)
Why boring World Cup, just because your team Pakistan is not making it to the Super 8's..
Ipl was good but world cup is like a dessert after entree. Inlove the low scoring games
I like that name for Nas....Beeky
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The problem with eng is pitches..if flat they look good..if not ,ordinary..50 over wc was classic example
But also Bumrah bowled two juicy full tosses in that 19th which Iftikhar couldn't take advantage of. It was a good over, but nowhere near his best.
South Africa is most talented team and most underrated team in the world , south africa lost soany talented players to other countries like England, New Zealand, australia, Netherlands, Ireland, usa, Scotland, Namibia, because of lack of opportunities and that faulty quota system but and because of that colour quota system they can't play with their best playing eleven that always hampers their playing eleven balance but they still able to produce so much talented gun players and still dping good after loosing so much talented players to other countries that's show quality of talented player south africa produces
South Africa is not the most talented team West indies, Australia, India, are more talented teams than South Africa.
Sam Curren is a good option he has variety of Slower Balls.
No he’s average. He gets hit for 10rpo most of time but Topley is much better choice
England is playing qualifiers next World Cup
LOL no
@@yasho. Actually, they have to if they don't qualify for super 8
No bro, even if they don't qualify for Super 8, they'll automatically qualify for next WC on rankings.
@@ritwikghosh7743 no they won't, the team that will qualify automatically will only be the ones in super 8
@@Kyalikhuidhar WRONG The 2026 T20 World Cup has 12 automatic teams and 8 qualifiers the 12 automatic countries are India/Sri Lanka as hosts then the top 8 from this tournament that's 10 teams but as India will finish in the top 8 that makes 9 so the 3 highest ranked t20 nations will fill the 3 places available to make 12 automatic qualifiers!!
English team out of world cup and Scotland in super8 now
Except butler not sure who will score runs for England
Bowlers not good enough and some of the batters too .
Why don't you just say it - Jo's Buttler is not a good captain! No comparison to Morgan. He obviously does not inspire.
Play duckett he play spin so well and will give lefty option in top 4
Johnny should go, slow pitches are not his cup of tea
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Disagree with Hussain . Bumrah bowled 2 full tosses in the 19th over. Iftikhar should have hit both for six , he didn’t and got out to the 2nd full toss. The game was there for Pakistan to win but iftikhar couldn’t deliver under pressure.
That Full toss was not easy to hit both are slower ones and getting downwards he tried and it goes up..
England is still the best side of this tournament.
Morally the best side 😂
Lol😂😂
England looks so strong on paper but didn't give their best against Aus ..it's disappointing
nah not this morally best side this again
they also morally won the ashes
and beat india 5 0
@@shivasunkara no
0:17
Australian drop in pitches😂
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Can't help but feel England have had the short straw big time in this tournament
Chris Jordan is the most over rated cricketer..I donno y every franchise picks him and he fails to perform ..same case for England
After Scotland smashing Oman I can’t see England going through.
I see Axar has totally gone under your radar also. He took the second Pakistan wicket the first ball and that 18th over just three runs .
England seem to be reluctant participants in all ICC tournaments these days. It’s almost as if they are forced to participate against their will . Ashes is the only series they really care about
Butler is not a good captain,great batter.Whilst Jordan a great fielder,workd batsmen lovely hitting him for 20+.Topley was quite good in Ipl and maybe Moen better captain
Come on England 🏴👍
Harry brook replace sam currant, Harry brook is not t20 batsman he can't play spin
Livingston is a overrated batter . He plays just becoz he can bowl leg and off spin .
And bairstow at 4 ?
Should need to play sam curran instead of bairstow or Livingston.
He gives the left hander in middle and bowl with the new ball and gives the balance with both bat & ball...
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English players look jaded in white ball cricket. Doesn’t make sense because they’re so damn scary talented
Beaky is good name !! What’s the meaning ?
Beaky is a pun on Nas’ nose = Beak
Hear it in 1.25 or 1.5.. else it’s like 2 oldies chewing cud 😅
England looks like could going home and not getting out the group
Bumrah is heading towards greatness and will be regarded as one of the best bowlers of all time by the time he retires.
Yes. Only one winner - Australia. It's not a good England team - only 2 of these would get in the Aus side!
Which 2?
we need a channel critiquing the critics. these guys mess up more than the players but get away with it . Nasser was so confident about England
Utter rubbish
Not to worry England would still make it to super 8
And then a channel critiquing those who critique the critics, yeah?! These 2 are a class act
Topley for wood definitely why Milan ain’t at 4 for Bairstow I’ll never know Brooke’s needs to be at 3 why butler went for jacks part time bowler cost us game Wood no variations not a 20 over player going to be decided on % think Scotland are favourites Australia already thro
The best cricket show on internet. Nice work, as always guys. On a side-note can somebody buy Athers a good mic please?
Doom to "Atherton", Gloom to "Nass" and Boom 💥 to "England"
It starts from 16:32
Thanks 👍
If only England had an adaptable left-handed number 3 who was the number 1 T20 batsman in the world…
This wc looks boring due to boring venues
Not at all...low scoring thriller
Topley for wood
Sky commentators traveling more than England team shows how biased their schedule is
I have a question ... When we divide teams into small groups like in 2007 ODI wc and now in 4 unnecessary groups and tiny groups...and something like rain washed games England had to exit the Tournament coz their chances are reduced now . Do you think is it really necessary to create such tiny Groups..? What purpose does it serves ..??? Not only England ...but also New Zealand Pakistan now has slim chances to get to next level ...and does it make way for Sub Par experience in terms of Quality World cup or something interesting ..?
t20 world cups work this thats just the nature of the game
I'd rather watch USA or Afghanistan than England or Pakistan at the minute
how else you can fit in 20 teams? do you want 10 teams in group A and B. that is 9 games for every team . this is how played if you have many teams. Look at soccer groups. this is better than 4 teams per group which was played in 2007 world cup.
It actually makes it interesting. We get to see some new teams advancing and gives associate nation a better chance of making a big upset and winning the tournament
Don't judge by who might be knocked out but look at how they have played. USA and Afghanistan deserve a place in the next round. England and Pakistan have been subpar in the last few tournaments. They have played absolutely trash cricket
Eng we're going to loose against Scotland too. It's the rain that saved you guys 😜😜
England are nothing without the legend Ben stokes. Without him, they'd have won nothing
Yes we can write off England, insane decision to bowl Jacks..Livingstone never scores important runs, we look aged, uninspired, lacking intent and passion....where is Duckett(for these wickets)..and Curran...
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Aussies will absolutely knock England out if given the opportunity
It’s doooooooom🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mott has been a disastrous appointment never had any identity or game plans it's just a free for all and he should have resigned after the previous world cup I hope he is fired and I do believe someone like Bob Wilis would say this but the sky punditry now don't want to be critical of Rob Key
Pakistan lack the sophistication on field to be able to analyze and adapt to whats needed. As a lifelong Pakistan fan, the last week has been absolutely gut wrenching. I may be done watching cricket.
Please don't stop watching. Plenty of other teams you could support. It may be time to transfer your loyalty.
why did england beat Pakistan, now you get the same 🎉🎉
Nasser Hussain a good guy. Michael Atherton is better...
Bit harsh
Serial winners hv lost last four Border Gavaskar trophies to India- two at home and two away.
Had they lost four Ashes in a row Englishmen wud never label them as serial winners.
England are playing appaling cricket for quite some time now in limited overs format and in all probability they'll get knocked out in group stage here.
But as an Indian, I'll just tell one thing to the English fans. Criticize your team as much as you want, but remember -
England have played last 10 years of below average, disgraceful cricket with just 3 years of glory juxtaposed in between.
But if that 3 year period can win you 2 cups, it's any day better than 10 years of consistent top level cricket without anything to show.
Our pain is far greater, friends, so don't be sad😌😌😌
True.. 2 trophies in 3 years in India would result in statues of players being made outside every stadium plus permanent quota in Indian squad😂😂
Some players still have permanent quota in Indian squad even after 10 years without any ICC win..
Thisi ridiculous. We would have knocked off 110 vs scotand. We lost 1 game because terriblle 2nd over. Ofcourse Eng can qualify. Thi is T20 not test cricket