I like waves h reverb or the manny m reverb. Quick question. .I never know whether to use the send to set the level or the aux fader, the return I guess. Any tips on when to use which?
Very informative. Thank you. I especially appreciate the aggressive EQ adjustments as there's often a tendency to be shy with them. But since the EQ is solely dedicated to this reverb only, it makes the process quicker and much more effective.
Hello! Thank you very much for this very good lesson. By the way it is nice to hear british english. I understood every word. Best wishes from Bergisch Gladbach (it is about 12 miles from Cologne, Germany).
Thanks for the tips, always good to listen to your videos , clear, concise and just the kind of sounds I go for in your videos. I like where you said there's no right answer, I think that's so true and I find your videos give me a starting point to find what works for my sound with the techniques. Thanks again, keep up the good work!
Just want to commend you on your videos. I think hey are some of the best I have seen. Super informative with some great ideas. Well communicated with clarity and flow. Thank you
quick note -- I noticed that you did not set the reverb to 100% wet on the aux/send, and while I understand this was a quick video tutorial and maybe you were just rushing through some things, it would be most helpful for people learning to mix to mention this: allowing some of the original signal to flow through a reverb on an aux/send will actually cause comb-filtering in different places depending on the type of reverb, etc. Definitely make sure your aux reverb is 100% wet so that you don't end up with a phasing issue or a comb-filtered thin sounding moment (or 100 moments) during a mix, and then spend time trying to chase down why that's happening.
A friend of mine suggested that I add a high pass filter at the end of the signal chain for my reverbs to tighten and clean it up.. It's a great tip.. This is a great vid.. Thank, Rob.
I'd like to ad dsomething i do sometimes. lowering or high passing the lows in the sides in M/S mode on the EQ, but be careful that it oesn't have a negative effect on the sound when the mix is summed to mono.
Jerry Hollis I routinely filter everything outside of 500 and 2.5k-4k ish. Reverb Will muddy up your low end, which is why you don't use it on bass and kick. So filter it out. Too much highs will make everything sound washy and harsh. Filter it. Unless it's a really sparse mix, and the reverb is being used to fill in space almost as an instrument itself, you really don't need the extra information and it honestly just gets in the way.
Great tutorial! Going to try this out! How do you do sub mix busses like the one in this video without having to manually route every single track to it?
I love Plate Reverb on Vocals. What's more interesting here is your fake Room-Mic for Drums and especially BVs and so on, very cool. Gotta try that. Cheers
I don't agree that plate reverb was intended to sound fake. Indeed, it was intended to simulate the sound of real room ambiance, but it has it's own characteristics like any other unnatural reverb mechanism.
Wow interesting. I started mixing pop so I use like 2.5ish sec reverb times usually loll but rock you don’t usually want as much reverb on them i guess
Lol, I’m not the hater type. But, this was 15 minutes of use reverb on your vocals. That said, you did expand of the subject to some degree. Hey, thanks for uploading this kind of content. Obviously, we’re all here because we’re still learning. Comma
Great video, one question I have is since you didn't eq or compress the vocal, are you going to have to adjust the reverb levels after performing those step? Since I'm guessing you would want the verses to sit a little more on top of the mix? Thoughts (you may disagree)?
This is so so helpful man; thanks so much for this! Would you ever consider making a video on your Mix Bus processing and/or have a Logic session we could download to reference some of your techniques?
+100000000 to this. I would love to see the process behind the mix bus. After hearing the comparison, its like you switched to color tv from monochrome
If you’re mixing tracks for an EP, is it good to use similar mixing and effects to each song for conformity throughout, or is it ok to take each song individually?
Totally your choice! Sometimes a lot/all of the songs have similar instrumentations and sounds so you can mix them all the same way. Other times, each song might use totally different instruments and sounds so you may approach that with a different mindset. Hope that helps!
Musician on a Mission thanks so much! Your vocal tips video has expanded my horizons considerably! I never thought to use Bussing to get a perfect balance of effects....
Plate vocals were used in the old days.. for big ballads.. like Tony Bennett type guys, or jazz singers.. better than a digital verb. For Budy Holly in New Mexico in the 1950s - they used an oil drum at night when it was quiet for a reverb tank
Your technique is good advice, but I am curious about something. I am listening through some cheap, no-name, not very good speakers, but even I noticed the plate long before you apparently did. I also noticed your "shimmer" was quite loud, lending too much short sibilance, which brought the "S"-es and "T"s to the front, while the vowels were still rather far back in the mix, almost buried beneath the instruments. The result in the end sounded quite unnatural, and over-processed. I might suggest that you frequently solo the vox while shaping the plate, listen to the result, then check it in the overall mix?
I prefer in general to use a subtle delay on lead vocals, but then put a touch of reverb on the delay to sort of soften the feedback repeats. This seems to sound cleaner than reverb alone. But I could be crazy. :-)
Don't even bother using a delay (outside of as an effect) if you're not feeding it back into your main verb. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also, the point is to make everything sound coherent as if it were in the same space. Would a delay happen outside of where the band is playing? Obviously not, so always send your delays to the main verb. (When not being,used as a blatant effect, and sometimes even when it is.
Isn't it problematic to listen to the track without bus processing and with, but the bus processing is louder? it's probably going to sound better, but we can't really tell the real difference the bus processing makes if it's not level matched...
What's your favorite reverb to use on a vocal?
Bricasti M7
Little Plate by Sound Toys, emulates the EMT 140, and it has infinite reverb on it. Also Eastwest Quantum leap Spaces Reverb.
Valhalla...period.
I like waves h reverb or the manny m reverb. Quick question. .I never know whether to use the send to set the level or the aux fader, the return I guess. Any tips on when to use which?
"Period"?? LOL
WOWWWWWW And amazing artist and band. You don't get too many of these gems on TH-cam. This is simple, clear, and well-edited as well.
Very informative. Thank you. I especially appreciate the aggressive EQ adjustments as there's often a tendency to be shy with them. But since the EQ is solely dedicated to this reverb only, it makes the process quicker and much more effective.
Wow, some 'trick'. Add reverb to a vocal. Genius.
That remark wasn't very nice.
@@slowlearner7778 Then it was mission accomplished I suppose. I wasted 14 minutes on a click bait title waiting for the 'trick' that never happened.
Thank u for the heads up. U just saved me some time
Thanks Rob - that mid cut on the plate is exactly what I've been looking for to keep things from getting to unfocused!
No problem! Really happy we could help.
You’re videos are super clear and helpful, thank you!
Happy to help!
Hello! Thank you very much for this very good lesson. By the way it is nice to hear british english. I understood every word. Best wishes from Bergisch Gladbach (it is about 12 miles from Cologne, Germany).
Our pleasure!
Thanks for the tips, always good to listen to your videos , clear, concise and just the kind of sounds I go for in your videos. I like where you said there's no right answer, I think that's so true and I find your videos give me a starting point to find what works for my sound with the techniques. Thanks again, keep up the good work!
So glad we could help out :)
4 minute intro isn't what I would call "concise."
Just want to commend you on your videos. I think hey are some of the best I have seen. Super informative with some great ideas. Well communicated with clarity and flow. Thank you
quick note -- I noticed that you did not set the reverb to 100% wet on the aux/send, and while I understand this was a quick video tutorial and maybe you were just rushing through some things, it would be most helpful for people learning to mix to mention this: allowing some of the original signal to flow through a reverb on an aux/send will actually cause comb-filtering in different places depending on the type of reverb, etc. Definitely make sure your aux reverb is 100% wet so that you don't end up with a phasing issue or a comb-filtered thin sounding moment (or 100 moments) during a mix, and then spend time trying to chase down why that's happening.
slamcrank I noticed he was changing the level of the return, rather than using the send to control the reverb... Lots of etiquette issues in this vid.
@@justinf5422 Who made that rule up?
@@justinf5422 cla uses the return volume all the time.
Thank you soo much i have suffered for long but You just solve my problems
Dude I swear I thought you said “[plate verb] can totally change the tone of the sauce”
And I was like oh fr this man knows the goods
I use Valhalla short-medium plate on vocals 75 or 80% of the time. Also like dry vocals depending on song. For delay, mostly H-Delay or Echo Boy.
UAD AKG bx 20 spring reverb. It has long decay so I put a transient designer on it to shorten the tail. Super vibey verb.
Sounds awesome!
A friend of mine suggested that I add a high pass filter at the end of the signal chain for my reverbs to tighten and clean it up.. It's a great tip.. This is a great vid.. Thank, Rob.
Thanks for watching! Glad we could help.
I'd like to ad dsomething i do sometimes. lowering or high passing the lows in the sides in M/S mode on the EQ, but be careful that it oesn't have a negative effect on the sound when the mix is summed to mono.
Jerry Hollis I routinely filter everything outside of 500 and 2.5k-4k ish. Reverb Will muddy up your low end, which is why you don't use it on bass and kick. So filter it out. Too much highs will make everything sound washy and harsh. Filter it. Unless it's a really sparse mix, and the reverb is being used to fill in space almost as an instrument itself, you really don't need the extra information and it honestly just gets in the way.
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Why do you put on a reverb before you finishing the mix in first place? How do you know this is the right decision at this point?
Trying to see what you have on that pre-mix bus. Settings?
Yours are great videos and I think the commentary is useful. thank you for making them.
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Glad we could help!
Thoughts on mid/side processing on the reverb buss? Perhaps taking more middle out to have reverb create width as well as depth.
Definitely fun to experiment with!
Great tutorial! Going to try this out!
How do you do sub mix busses like the one in this video without having to manually route every single track to it?
I love Plate Reverb on Vocals. What's more interesting here is your fake Room-Mic for Drums and especially BVs and so on, very cool. Gotta try that.
Cheers
Thanks for watching!
that's a good trick if you don't have good sounding room tracks. so why not make your own. :P
@@DJayFreeDoo It's a great trick for mixing live too.
love this tuto
I don't agree that plate reverb was intended to sound fake. Indeed, it was intended to simulate the sound of real room ambiance, but it has it's own characteristics like any other unnatural reverb mechanism.
Wow interesting. I started mixing pop so I use like 2.5ish sec reverb times usually loll but rock you don’t usually want as much reverb on them i guess
Lol, I’m not the hater type. But, this was 15 minutes of use reverb on your vocals. That said, you did expand of the subject to some degree. Hey, thanks for uploading this kind of content. Obviously, we’re all here because we’re still learning.
Comma
Is this song available anywhere online? Has a real strong Alice in Chains vibe.
was there a chickin sound in the back ground of t
he bit he looped ?
i cant unhear this now, ALL i can hear is the chicken
Sounds more like a turkey, or the a sound a cuckoo makes in Zelda
What do you think of platinum reverb on logic? Should I even be using that?
Great video, one question I have is since you didn't eq or compress the vocal, are you going to have to adjust the reverb levels after performing those step? Since I'm guessing you would want the verses to sit a little more on top of the mix? Thoughts (you may disagree)?
Totally depends, if you feel like you need to adjust after applying other effects, go for it! Every song and vocalist is different.
This is so so helpful man; thanks so much for this! Would you ever consider making a video on your Mix Bus processing and/or have a Logic session we could download to reference some of your techniques?
We'll keep that in mind!
+100000000 to this. I would love to see the process behind the mix bus. After hearing the comparison, its like you switched to color tv from monochrome
Okay. We get it. You know everything. Get on with it.
@MorbidManMusic wind it in you ald turd
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If you’re mixing tracks for an EP, is it good to use similar mixing and effects to each song for conformity throughout, or is it ok to take each song individually?
Totally your choice! Sometimes a lot/all of the songs have similar instrumentations and sounds so you can mix them all the same way. Other times, each song might use totally different instruments and sounds so you may approach that with a different mindset. Hope that helps!
Musician on a Mission thanks so much! Your vocal tips video has expanded my horizons considerably!
I never thought to use Bussing to get a perfect balance of effects....
Is the track by Simon Whittaker (and his brother)? Sounds just like his voice.
Plate vocals were used in the old days.. for big ballads.. like Tony Bennett type guys, or jazz singers.. better than a digital verb. For Budy Holly in New Mexico in the 1950s - they used an oil drum at night when it was quiet for a reverb tank
Holy crap, where can I get a copy of this bands music? They sound awesome!!
I was thinking the same thing! I LOVE that sound!
So the "trick" is to using plate reverb on vocals is to use plate reverb on vocals? :/
Your technique is good advice, but I am curious about something. I am listening through some cheap, no-name, not very good speakers, but even I noticed the plate long before you apparently did. I also noticed your "shimmer" was quite loud, lending too much short sibilance, which brought the "S"-es and "T"s to the front, while the vowels were still rather far back in the mix, almost buried beneath the instruments. The result in the end sounded quite unnatural, and over-processed. I might suggest that you frequently solo the vox while shaping the plate, listen to the result, then check it in the overall mix?
8:47 You’re dropping it down to, er, minus infinity. Zero is up top :)
Yes that's what he means, dropping it down to no volume (zero), which is -ve infinity
I prefer in general to use a subtle delay on lead vocals, but then put a touch of reverb on the delay to sort of soften the feedback repeats. This seems to sound cleaner than reverb alone. But I could be crazy. :-)
Seems like it would sound very cool!
thanks man this is a very useful trick i ever got on vocals
Don't even bother using a delay (outside of as an effect) if you're not feeding it back into your main verb. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also, the point is to make everything sound coherent as if it were in the same space. Would a delay happen outside of where the band is playing? Obviously not, so always send your delays to the main verb. (When not being,used as a blatant effect, and sometimes even when it is.
thanks for the tip brooo!
Isn't it problematic to listen to the track without bus processing and with, but the bus processing is louder? it's probably going to sound better, but we can't really tell the real difference the bus processing makes if it's not level matched...
I tend to like Dark Plate. (A video on revamping an Older mac for music production video would be great)
Awesome sound! Interesting idea, we'll keep it in mind!
the chain fx in the voice bus is full and he said have been not mixed yet haha
Roland srv330 sounds as good as the Bricasti m7. I have test it on vocals . sounds the same
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You a beast! Search and Destroying those ugly frequencies in the mix!
Hahaha thanks!
The melody kinda reminds of Alice In Chains.. just the way he's singing it ... definitely a different style though. Catchy song
Valhalla and Little Plate
Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk
Returns stay at unity. Control level with the send. -.-
Justin why?
Okay, a good tip. But could not that have been shown in less than two minutes, without leaving out a single important detail?
2 mins of valid useful content. Padded out with talk and repitition.
Get to the point,already puddin
Thanks for the feedback! We'll keep that in mind.
sub mixs for what? hehe soryy
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Has qotsa vibes ? No