Lock tail for T/O and landing as you said. Also, at the start of your take off roll, hold the stick all the way back until up to about 40 mph. That puts more pressure on the tail and will help. At 40, slowly let the stick forward, using the rudder to off set the left pull. A little practice and it's quite rewarding to fly.
Sir, I want to thank you for your effort to mix historical background with your passion to review this lovely aircraft. I came from the FSX-area and I think I will purchase this plane for my personal hangar. Tanks and greetings from Germany (Danke und Grüße aus Deutschland).
Apart from the scary takeoffs, it's an absolute joy to fly this plane in VR. It's incredibly well built to the point you feel like you're actually in the aircraft and the view and experience is amazing! I especially love that I can put my head to the left or to the right and look down the side of the aircraft and it doesn't break the immersion because the cockpit's open.
Hi all, did no-one suffer from trying to click the switches in VR. I'm using the Quest 2 and struggling as it seems to show up with 2 pointers and hard to focus to click the switches ... Any tips as this is an amazing looking bird which would love to fly more.
@@arcangelkq It's something that needs fixing by the developers but in the meantime if you close your right eye just for flicking the switches etc. then it lines up. It's far from ideal but it's okay as a workaround.
@@arcangelkq you need to align your IPD correctly I had the same issue until I got my lenses aligned with my eyes there’s an app you can download that will tell you your IPD
Absolutely gorgeous plane. Picked it up for $15. There are STOL planes for $30 on MSFS market that should be $15, and the WYMF5 a $30, well worth the model. Love the older planes. Being a 30's plane modernized in the 80's is perfect. The details are awesome, love the wooden propeller. I wish an official fully functional Grumman Goose would come out, I've downloaded the Wookie version but had sound issues.
Tips for flying taildraggers from a real pilot (got my PPL on a taildragger). I played sims for over a decade before becoming a professional pilot, sims are great for training procedures (i.e circuits and IFR stuff) but they aren't amazing at representing how controlling the planes feel. 1. During taxi, use differential brakes + wheel steering for sharper turns and, most importantly, keep doing continuous 'S' turns to see what is ahead of you. 2. For the takeoff ground roll, keep the stick all the way back until about 60% of your rotate speed (that is, usually, when you should raise the tail from the ground). You`ll notice a much better controllability. 3. Always land in a 3 point attitude, hold the aircraft above the runway until it stalls. You`ll stop faster and you can also use a bit of the brakes without causing a nose-over crash. 4. After touchdown, just like you did for takeoff, keep holding the stick back. You`ll be able to control the aircraft during the landing roll. A few considerations about MSFS vs Real Aircraft 1. The control inputs are super sensitive in-game, I could not find a good configuration for any joystick/yoke. 2. I could not get any plane into a spin during a stall (Asobo did not care about this part of the aerodynamics). 3. Compensators are super hard to use in-game because of the sensibility issues (like other control surfaces). 4. Engine torque tendencies are exaggerated (Same goes for ground effect) TL:DR Flying real planes is easier. Conventional gear aircraft are outdated (but fun), tricycle is superior in every performance and work load aspect. Sorry if I forgot any tips and enjoy the YMF-5!
The term barnstorming actually predates powered heavier than air flight by several decades. The earliest use seems to be used for travelling theatrical groups who in the more rural areas of the US would perform in barns. It was also used in the 19th century for politicians touring the country giving speeches as well. I'm not sure which came first but the OED's earliest quotations are for the theatrical performances (1880s vs 1890s). The term was also used for sports teams that went on tour. So the phrase was associated with travelling performers for a few decades before the aviation barnstormers came onto the scene. And while flying through barns certainly was a stunt that some barnstormers did, that stunt isn't the origin of the term. This plane is pretty nice and the price makes it very tasty. The take-off and landing handling characteristics are a bit dubious though. Would also be nice if the tail wheel lever was animated. Top wing compass can be a pain to read as well, and heading indicator has some problems. That aside it's pretty well modelled and sounds great. I do wish it was an actual vintage plane though with 1920-30s instruments instead of this modern variant but then I'm a huge fan of the vintage interwar aviation era so that might just be me! Carenado/Alabeo have a Beechcraft Staggerwing for the older flight sims that I hope they bring over to MSFS. Such a beautiful plane. There's a dev called Golden Age Simulations that have been making 1920s-30s planes for FS9/X/P3D for a while now and they're working on porting their Kinner Sportwing and Stearman to the new sim although from early shots the texturing looks really last gen so eh. There's the really good Tiger Moth by Ant's Airplanes for P3d which I'm hoping will get an MSFS release as well someday, it's a real joy to fly that one and looks great. The IRIS Jabiru also has a little tablet type thing where you can adjust some settings like wheel spats, prop type and option to show a passenger or not. It's a great plane that you really should check out if you haven't already. Anyway great video as always, cheers!
Hey Buddy. Thanks for all the info. Great knowledge! I remember my dad having a photography book with 1920's circus act aircraft images. There was an image showing a biplane exploding through a small barn. I think thats why thought that was where the name was from... but your right they did perform in barns. Interesting story behind the name. Thanks!
Great video! Love to listen to a true enthusiast. The Waco in P3D is very controllable on the ground. The P-Factor and Torque are modeled much more accurately in P3D and are controllable with the rudder as you'd expect. Don't know if this is a Carenado or Asobo/SDK issue but sure hope it's resolved!
I do love a well designed plane! Especially a vintage one. This is pretty special since its a true rebuild of a classic. The Ground control has been a bit disappointing since everything else seems to be on point. I tried another taildragger ( Savage carbon) to see if my contols were out but the Cub worked just fine. Hope the update happens soon. 👍
Great little plane for MSFS and cheap to! The Iris Simulations Jabiru has a little 'Ipad' thing but doesnt have a great deal on it. (pilot,co-pilot, Wheel Spats and different props which are cosmetic only) Keep up the great videos!
Flying the ASOBO Savage Cub taildragger is absolutely controllable during take-off and landing and I've never had issues with that aircraft but this Carenado does seem to be broken with the Centre of Gravity (COG), being set too far forward which could be causing the issues. The Carenado WACO is very difficult to keep straight on the runway and heaven forbid you should have a crosswind making things even worse. Yup, Carenado need to make a patch but otherwise, she's a joy to fly once up in the air and the attention to detail is stunning.
Keep a little bit of throttle on the aircraft to avoid ground looping. The throttle will keep air flowing over the rudder maintanimg authority even at slow speed. Be gentle on the breaks.
The reason for the left swing is due to gyroscopic effect as you raise the tail too soon. just keep the tail lift slowly on it's own and you'll be fine....I fly a Stearman and it flies pretty much the same way.
It is pronounced wah-co. The first syllable pronounced like the "wa" in "water." Waco is an acronym for Weaver Aircraft Corporation. The Weaver name comes from one of the founders, George E. "Buck" Weaver. My first airplane ride was in a Waco UPF-7.
It's a great plane but there is no multi player sound, if you fly with someone else with the same plane you can not hear their engines at all its just silent, I wish this was rectified sadly its not only this aircraft like it, yet the default aircraft work fine and sound great
Another great vid as always. My only comment would be you seem to be taxiing too fast for this type of plane and same for the landing. She looks lovely though.
Waco is pronounced "Wah-Ko" not wacko like a crazy person nor Waco like the town in TX. Regardless, it's a great airplane in FS2020. The tailwheel lock and some weight in the aft baggage seem to help with the overly sensitive yawing on takeoff. If all else fails, press Y then F4 to slew up. Happy Flying Everyone!
@@untitledprojects85 Lots of people have said it wrong but it's all good. It's about the admiration of the airplane. I shouldn't be so nitpicky over the name.
Take offs are tricky but honestly my only complaint about this plane is that sometimes on final it just shuts down and falls out of the sky. Not sure why and not every time.
I really havn't figured this out yet. But it seems to be an issue with a lot of people. Maybe my controls are just too sensitive? If anyone knows the secret pls share! 😂 Otherwise i'll be ground looping all day.
Lock the tail wheel when lined up (shift-g), adjust pitch trim to nose up, bring the MP to 25, keep the stick/yoke fully back until about 40 mph, be ready with rudder correction, then slowly increase to full power as you relax the back pressure on the stick and she flies off at 70mph. The locked tail wheel also helps on landing.
I've actually switched the takeoff rudder assistance on due to FS2020 getting the ground handling wrong... Not "realistic" but with it off it's even more unrealistic 🤔😅
67 likes to 1 dislike at the time of writing. Great ratio! You have a voiceover artist's voice BTW which adds to the quality video. Now - who the 'eck are ya? Do you say anything about yourself anywhere? ha ha. Keep up the good work.
interesting, I found the same weird tail/rudder behavior during my first take off with the carbon cub, perhaps these mods do not load any of our axis profiles..
Heading Bug is not working! The crappy ground roll handling was addressed by Rob Young in his Bonanza mod. Asobo have too much ground roll inertia on the wheels. So all groung rolls are crap! Rob would need to mod it!
I think Carenado planes are not moddable. You cannot change the config file, same as the Asobo premium planes. That is why we do not see any mods for Baron for example.
You know what! I was wondering that the whole time. Although all my settings are reaistic and I wasn't in Dev mode. Maybe a bug? I've been messing around a lot with VR recently trying to dial it in. Could have flipped something? That said i was in the P.149D earlier and i crashed that into a tree? 😬So i have no idea whats going on. 👌
I just bought it. This is ridiculous. I tried every suggestions online but it is a bad joke. That takeoff/landing jerkiness is a disaster. That model should never have been released like this. No one in his right mind can recommend this addon until that's fixed. There is no way to get a refund now so I hope the company issue a patch presto for their sake.
The taildraggers, especially with big heavy motor and big heavy prop are notorious for ground loop tendency and require quite a work with the rudder. Look this vid of real one to take off: th-cam.com/video/pAsppZKBlG8/w-d-xo.html There is also known sim problem with somewhat unrealistic effectiveness of surfaces. But I think it mostly due to the lack of butt accelerometer in sim. The corrections come too late too exaggerated. So, I would not blame all on model. Anyway, with some practice I can take off and land this thing in the boundaries of runway, though still waving quite a bit. :)
@@untitledprojects85 Well, Carenado finally issue a patch today. It fix the yanking on take off. While not easy, it is way better now. The trick is to do very short takoff. I still have a minor snag, is that the throttle is very responsible on the ground but as soon that you are in the air, there is certain period which it ignore it (joystick). I'll let people see what they says.
Lock tail for T/O and landing as you said. Also, at the start of your take off roll, hold the stick all the way back until up to about 40 mph. That puts more pressure on the tail and will help. At 40, slowly let the stick forward, using the rudder to off set the left pull. A little practice and it's quite rewarding to fly.
Thanks! That's really good advice. I'll try it later a d report back.
That's how I handle tail draggers in DCS 👍
Thank you sooo much for this advice! I can finally take off without going all over the place!
Sir, I want to thank you for your effort to mix historical background with your passion to review this lovely aircraft. I came from the FSX-area and I think I will purchase this plane for my personal hangar.
Tanks and greetings from Germany (Danke und Grüße aus Deutschland).
Apart from the scary takeoffs, it's an absolute joy to fly this plane in VR. It's incredibly well built to the point you feel like you're actually in the aircraft and the view and experience is amazing!
I especially love that I can put my head to the left or to the right and look down the side of the aircraft and it doesn't break the immersion because the cockpit's open.
This is my new favourite plane to fly in VR, such a nice place to sit.
its pretty amaing in VR
Hi all, did no-one suffer from trying to click the switches in VR. I'm using the Quest 2 and struggling as it seems to show up with 2 pointers and hard to focus to click the switches ... Any tips as this is an amazing looking bird which would love to fly more.
@@arcangelkq It's something that needs fixing by the developers but in the meantime if you close your right eye just for flicking the switches etc. then it lines up. It's far from ideal but it's okay as a workaround.
@@arcangelkq you need to align your IPD correctly I had the same issue until I got my lenses aligned with my eyes there’s an app you can download that will tell you your IPD
I just love flying the Waco. It's so rewarding to take off and to land after you figure her out!
And only £12! I think I am sold
@@hjr2000 be ready for a challenge!
That is one amazing looking plane. Has some real oldschool elegance to it.
Absolutely gorgeous plane. Picked it up for $15. There are STOL planes for $30 on MSFS market that should be $15, and the WYMF5 a $30, well worth the model. Love the older planes. Being a 30's plane modernized in the 80's is perfect. The details are awesome, love the wooden propeller. I wish an official fully functional Grumman Goose would come out, I've downloaded the Wookie version but had sound issues.
Tips for flying taildraggers from a real pilot (got my PPL on a taildragger). I played sims for over a decade before becoming a professional pilot, sims are great for training procedures (i.e circuits and IFR stuff) but they aren't amazing at representing how controlling the planes feel.
1. During taxi, use differential brakes + wheel steering for sharper turns and, most importantly, keep doing continuous 'S' turns to see what is ahead of you.
2. For the takeoff ground roll, keep the stick all the way back until about 60% of your rotate speed (that is, usually, when you should raise the tail from the ground). You`ll notice a much better controllability.
3. Always land in a 3 point attitude, hold the aircraft above the runway until it stalls. You`ll stop faster and you can also use a bit of the brakes without causing a nose-over crash.
4. After touchdown, just like you did for takeoff, keep holding the stick back. You`ll be able to control the aircraft during the landing roll.
A few considerations about MSFS vs Real Aircraft
1. The control inputs are super sensitive in-game, I could not find a good configuration for any joystick/yoke.
2. I could not get any plane into a spin during a stall (Asobo did not care about this part of the aerodynamics).
3. Compensators are super hard to use in-game because of the sensibility issues (like other control surfaces).
4. Engine torque tendencies are exaggerated (Same goes for ground effect)
TL:DR
Flying real planes is easier. Conventional gear aircraft are outdated (but fun), tricycle is superior in every performance and work load aspect.
Sorry if I forgot any tips and enjoy the YMF-5!
Thanks for the landing tip! I can now land almost properly!
I always enjoy your enthusiastic and informative reviews. Thanks!
Thanks Jim! VR next.
*Love* this content! It's great to hear some historical information while enjoying the views. Thanks!
Glad you enjoy it!
It took me 2 days to learn to take off in this plane and I had a blast practicing!!!! Such a challenge!
The term barnstorming actually predates powered heavier than air flight by several decades. The earliest use seems to be used for travelling theatrical groups who in the more rural areas of the US would perform in barns. It was also used in the 19th century for politicians touring the country giving speeches as well. I'm not sure which came first but the OED's earliest quotations are for the theatrical performances (1880s vs 1890s). The term was also used for sports teams that went on tour. So the phrase was associated with travelling performers for a few decades before the aviation barnstormers came onto the scene. And while flying through barns certainly was a stunt that some barnstormers did, that stunt isn't the origin of the term.
This plane is pretty nice and the price makes it very tasty. The take-off and landing handling characteristics are a bit dubious though. Would also be nice if the tail wheel lever was animated. Top wing compass can be a pain to read as well, and heading indicator has some problems. That aside it's pretty well modelled and sounds great. I do wish it was an actual vintage plane though with 1920-30s instruments instead of this modern variant but then I'm a huge fan of the vintage interwar aviation era so that might just be me!
Carenado/Alabeo have a Beechcraft Staggerwing for the older flight sims that I hope they bring over to MSFS. Such a beautiful plane. There's a dev called Golden Age Simulations that have been making 1920s-30s planes for FS9/X/P3D for a while now and they're working on porting their Kinner Sportwing and Stearman to the new sim although from early shots the texturing looks really last gen so eh. There's the really good Tiger Moth by Ant's Airplanes for P3d which I'm hoping will get an MSFS release as well someday, it's a real joy to fly that one and looks great.
The IRIS Jabiru also has a little tablet type thing where you can adjust some settings like wheel spats, prop type and option to show a passenger or not. It's a great plane that you really should check out if you haven't already.
Anyway great video as always, cheers!
Hey Buddy. Thanks for all the info. Great knowledge! I remember my dad having a photography book with 1920's circus act aircraft images. There was an image showing a biplane exploding through a small barn. I think thats why thought that was where the name was from... but your right they did perform in barns. Interesting story behind the name. Thanks!
Yes America was 'ok' just coming out of the major depression period - great review btw ;)
Your right the entire world was screwed! Good job the Americans helped us out otherwise it would have been much, much worse for europe.
Man this thing is a work of art. Definitely going to pick this up
DO IT!
I'm guessing you did buy it because we haven't heard back from you
Just an FYI. Carenado has put out an update to v1.1. Improves ground handling and fixes a few other bugs. Available in your game.
Another great vid! Like the history lessons of the aircraft
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice little plane!
It sure is!
Great video! Love to listen to a true enthusiast. The Waco in P3D is very controllable on the ground. The P-Factor and Torque are modeled much more accurately in P3D and are controllable with the rudder as you'd expect. Don't know if this is a Carenado or Asobo/SDK issue but sure hope it's resolved!
I do love a well designed plane! Especially a vintage one. This is pretty special since its a true rebuild of a classic. The Ground control has been a bit disappointing since everything else seems to be on point. I tried another taildragger ( Savage carbon) to see if my contols were out but the Cub worked just fine. Hope the update happens soon. 👍
That's a stunning plane!
Great little plane for MSFS and cheap to! The Iris Simulations Jabiru has a little 'Ipad' thing but doesnt have a great deal on it. (pilot,co-pilot, Wheel Spats and different props which are cosmetic only) Keep up the great videos!
It's kinda fun in VR if somebody sits beside you
Thanks for the info! I havn't got the Jabiru yet. Is it worth it?
@@untitledprojects85 It's not as good as the Carenado planes. But it is fun and you get 4 versions and 2 additional bush trips.
@@PilotFlo Sounds like I might have to sample it. Also, the F-15 Strike Eagle is out this week. That, I believe, will be a beast!
@@untitledprojects85 yeah fun planes to fly and as the other lad said you get two versions.
Flying the ASOBO Savage Cub taildragger is absolutely controllable during take-off and landing and I've never had issues with that aircraft but this Carenado does seem to be broken with the Centre of Gravity (COG), being set too far forward which could be causing the issues. The Carenado WACO is very difficult to keep straight on the runway and heaven forbid you should have a crosswind making things even worse. Yup, Carenado need to make a patch but otherwise, she's a joy to fly once up in the air and the attention to detail is stunning.
Waco...like taco. Awesome. Great video!
Yup thats the one! 😂
Keep a little bit of throttle on the aircraft to avoid ground looping. The throttle will keep air flowing over the rudder maintanimg authority even at slow speed.
Be gentle on the breaks.
Appreciate the advice thanks
For the landig I suggest using the differential break and not so much the rudder
sounds like a good idea. I'm slowly getting the hang of it now.
The reason for the left swing is due to gyroscopic effect as you raise the tail too soon. just keep the tail lift slowly on it's own and you'll be fine....I fly a Stearman and it flies pretty much the same way.
Couldn't find this for xbox but downloaded the stearman biplane it's amazing ☺👍
Apply full power to get the tail up of the runway quickly then apply forward stick and do the Rudder Dance left right left right til lift off
The tail number on flight radar 24 is assigned to a 75yr old piper J3C-65
They must have justed guessed it. 😂. good find.
It is pronounced wah-co. The first syllable pronounced like the "wa" in "water." Waco is an acronym for Weaver Aircraft Corporation. The Weaver name comes from one of the founders, George E. "Buck" Weaver. My first airplane ride was in a Waco UPF-7.
Thanks for the info. 👌
It's a great plane but there is no multi player sound, if you fly with someone else with the same plane you can not hear their engines at all its just silent, I wish this was rectified sadly its not only this aircraft like it, yet the default aircraft work fine and sound great
Another great vid as always. My only comment would be you seem to be taxiing too fast for this type of plane and same for the landing. She looks lovely though.
Yes this is true. I always taxi fat too fast in videos. 👍
Waco is pronounced "Wah-Ko" not wacko like a crazy person nor Waco like the town in TX. Regardless, it's a great airplane in FS2020. The tailwheel lock and some weight in the aft baggage seem to help with the overly sensitive yawing on takeoff. If all else fails, press Y then F4 to slew up. Happy Flying Everyone!
Did I not get it right?
@@untitledprojects85 Lots of people have said it wrong but it's all good. It's about the admiration of the airplane. I shouldn't be so nitpicky over the name.
Take offs are tricky but honestly my only complaint about this plane is that sometimes on final it just shuts down and falls out of the sky. Not sure why and not every time.
the only other plane with static elements is the cri cri, with its pop tent.
Oh Yeah! Thats true! Love that little tent. Such a strange little aircraft.
If you have any tips on keeping it straight on take off and landing I'd love to hear them..................
It's a bugger to take off isn't it
Pray!
I really havn't figured this out yet. But it seems to be an issue with a lot of people. Maybe my controls are just too sensitive? If anyone knows the secret pls share! 😂 Otherwise i'll be ground looping all day.
Lock the tail wheel when lined up (shift-g), adjust pitch trim to nose up, bring the MP to 25, keep the stick/yoke fully back until about 40 mph, be ready with rudder correction, then slowly increase to full power as you relax the back pressure on the stick and she flies off at 70mph. The locked tail wheel also helps on landing.
I've actually switched the takeoff rudder assistance on due to FS2020 getting the ground handling wrong... Not "realistic" but with it off it's even more unrealistic 🤔😅
I got two Waco RC models .
67 likes to 1 dislike at the time of writing. Great ratio!
You have a voiceover artist's voice BTW which adds to the quality video.
Now - who the 'eck are ya? Do you say anything about yourself anywhere? ha ha. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much 😀I'll sort that intro vid soon. But until then i'm just a regular guy making YT vids in his spare room. Glamorous 😂
"it's Carenado, it's not gonna let you down" ahahahahah. Good joke bud :,D
😂
Is this as twitchy and annoying in the air as the default Pitts?
interesting, I found the same weird tail/rudder behavior during my first take off with the carbon cub, perhaps these mods do not load any of our axis profiles..
Yeah that could be it! It is sometimes easier?
@@untitledprojects85 as long as you don't go all they way with the rudder but use small movements it's fine.
Make a video with Embraer A29 Super Tucano,please🙏🙏🙏🙏
dials? rate of climb?
I guess it was more of an alerion roll
This be true. 😬
Heading Bug is not working! The crappy ground roll handling was addressed by Rob Young in his Bonanza mod. Asobo have too much ground roll inertia on the wheels. So all groung rolls are crap! Rob would need to mod it!
boom! I hope Rob this gets this sorted.
I think Carenado planes are not moddable. You cannot change the config file, same as the Asobo premium planes. That is why we do not see any mods for Baron for example.
VR is not 100% right now.
Dubbel vision with the switches.
25:02 and that's why you don't overstress the plane....where's the damage? :))
You know what! I was wondering that the whole time. Although all my settings are reaistic and I wasn't in Dev mode. Maybe a bug? I've been messing around a lot with VR recently trying to dial it in. Could have flipped something? That said i was in the P.149D earlier and i crashed that into a tree? 😬So i have no idea whats going on. 👌
@@untitledprojects85 also, sorry for not mentioning, you are really doing a great work. I really do appreciate it >:D
Not a problem at all! Glad your enjoying it. 😁
I just bought it. This is ridiculous. I tried every suggestions online but it is a bad joke. That takeoff/landing jerkiness is a disaster. That model should never have been released like this. No one in his right mind can recommend this addon until that's fixed. There is no way to get a refund now so I hope the company issue a patch presto for their sake.
The taildraggers, especially with big heavy motor and big heavy prop are notorious for ground loop tendency and require quite a work with the rudder. Look this vid of real one to take off:
th-cam.com/video/pAsppZKBlG8/w-d-xo.html
There is also known sim problem with somewhat unrealistic effectiveness of surfaces. But I think it mostly due to the lack of butt accelerometer in sim. The corrections come too late too exaggerated. So, I would not blame all on model. Anyway, with some practice I can take off and land this thing in the boundaries of runway, though still waving quite a bit. :)
@@toshiksgamevids6581 But eventually everybody die trying to take off or land in that plane. Not good ...
@@armagedon515 Just as well it's only a sim then :-)
Thanks for the advice. Much appreciated!
@@untitledprojects85 Well, Carenado finally issue a patch today. It fix the yanking on take off. While not easy, it is way better now. The trick is to do very short takoff. I still have a minor snag, is that the throttle is very responsible on the ground but as soon that you are in the air, there is certain period which it ignore it (joystick). I'll let people see what they says.