These training films were very important for many serving members of the uk forces. It enabled you to catch up on lost sleep in a darkened classroom or theatre.
@@dadillen5902 That was our life, though. The navy, especially on a mine layer which carries a bloated contingent of crew because of the mines, consists of a lot of sleeping. And some work in-between, I suppose. We were the heroes you never heard about.
Thank fuck for that! Just as I was on the verge of a panic attack following the blood chilling realisation that I didn't have the first, solitary _clue_ vis a vis the correct procedure for laying naval mines from a Royal Navy mine-layer circa 1976, up popped this highly informative video. Phew, close one! Thanks again TH-cam recommendations!
if I recall most modern (in the sense of post second world war) seamines (and even some landmines like the SLAM) have timers in them where they can be set to detonate after a set time, it's very important to properly log the locations where mines of any kind are deployed but accidents can happen so great care must be taken, everything from highly trained frogmen, drones, dolphins and specialy built minimum metal minesweepers are used to locate, recover or if damaged or degraded perform a controlled detonation on minefields after hostilities cease
Its less efficient and cost way to much money to go back through and find mines layed. Also a country wouldnt wanna risk their men dieing from their own mines. Its easier and cost less money to leave them were they lay. Now a days tho mines layed are 9/10 are made to make themselves inert after a certain amount of time. The 1/10 are dumb mines that guerilla fighters lay and improvise. Those are the mines that'll kill you not the ones layed by a major militarys. Now there are mines out there from previous conflicts from times when we didnt have mines that made themselves inert. In that case it's still better to let them lay where they are and mark the area off. Its easier to let people know they're there and cost less money then going through and finding each one. Its extremely stupid to go out to find them too because most militarys made mines hard as hell to find and detect.
@@nickdavis2128 If it costs too much money, it shouldn't be done. It's a lot more 'efficient' for me to drop litter in the street than find a bin, but I don't, becuase it's disguisting. The disregard our ISLAND has shown the seas over the last 100 years is an absolute disgrace. We should be ashamed
I too had a loan draft in 1982. Just as the falklands was blowing up the Scabby Ab went to the Med with the reserves. “They must be trained” was the cry! At the end we waited to turn right back to Rosyth as everyone else was heading south. I was always told the vessel was a converted Norwegian car ferry and AFO’s stated it was not to entire any war zone. Enjoyed time on board.
Always remember being on HMS Abdiel on a Sea Cadet jolly in the late sixties from Rosyth to her adopted town of Hartlepool. I always will remember making way along.g the Firth of the Forth on a glorious day.
I have made diligent notes on this complex procedure and have comitted this to memory. Now how do I apply this valuable information to my job as a waiter?
By carefully taking the nautical measurements of dining area and placing strategically located slippery spots via "accidental" spillages of water to make the bussers slip.
I mean, the track is closed except at the point where they load it, they'd have to remove the mines behind it to let it off the track, but they have to lay those...so off it goes just like the mines
I assume the spacer is designed to be disposable in a real minefield (mainly as the mines are more expensive (and expendable as well) and raw danger of turning around in the minelayer to recover them) but I am surprised they don't rig the training models with floats or radio beacons so they can recover them for reuse (I assume the training mines are expensive and thus reusable, obviously a live one isn't though lol :D)
I was an FTG aboard USS Joseph Strauss DDG-16 during deployments in 1970 and 1972. On June 4, 1972 just after midnight while making a firing run on a North Vietnam target, a huge underwater explosion under the bow, picked up the front half of the ship out of the water. The ship fluttered for several seconds, then slammed back into the water. Boilers went out. Engines went out. Strauss was dead in the water off the coast of North Vietnam. Several minutes later, another huge underwater explosion off the portside rolled the ship to starboard. 10 degrees, 20 degrees, 30 degrees, etc. Somewhere close to 35 degrees the rolling started slowing. The ship rolled to about 40 or 45 degrees, then started up-righting itself. Strauss was towed farther out. Boilers were relit. Engines refired. Strauss remained on station. USS Warrington DD-843 also experienced two huge underwater explosions. Warrington was towed to Subic Bay and was decommissioned due to the damage. USS Hollister DD-788 also experienced two huge underwater explosions. Hollister was able to remain on station. The damage to these ships were from mislaid U.S. Mark 36 Destructor Mines that were laid during Operation Pocket Money in May 1972 off North Vietnam harbors.
Mine laying ship looks ready for the scrapyard. This was 40 odd years ago about when berets were introduced to general service. I suspect newer type mines would be used nowadays and placed in position from submarines.
It would only be one of many tests they would go through, during and after production, on a set schedule while in storage, when moved from storage to the docks, and then once embarked on the ship. The reason for doing it on the ship is twofold. 1 is because they can repair many of the problems that they test for, such as bad connections in the control circuits, failing batteries, damaged switches etc, thus ensuring a properly functioning mine. And reason 2 follows on that. They don't want to lay a faulty mine, because it is a danger to their own ships. Whether it has a faulty arming circuit and detonates right behind the laying ship, or doesn't properly anchor itself because of a bad release mechanism, etc. Mines are very dangerous weapons to everyone, and the only way they work for the navy that lays them is if they are exactly where they are supposed to be, and that requires proper functionality of the systems, and so if they find a problem in the testing that they can not repair, then they would have some procedures in place to either jettison it unarmed and vented so that it just sinks to the bottom inert and harmless, or jettison it with some sort of demolition charge or a self destruct timer, or retain it on the ship to take back to port. (if the weather was decent, they could use the ships crane to shuffle the mines and move the faulty one to the rear of the line)
@ADEBISI ADEBISI actually, you are the one looking stupid for attacking someone for asking a question. Without knowing that this is only one of a series of tests, or that some problems could be repaired, it's a pretty good question.
ADEBISI ADEBISI He literally just asked a question, you're a disgrace to all of mankind so would you kindly delete your google account and cancel your internet? That would be a good thing for all of us, you included.
@@bobthedog123456 yes, even after factory quality control checks its wise to make sure they work before deployment, my favorite example of how poorly stored munitions can bite you in the arse is during the first phase of the Korean war most bazooka rockets issued were not properly stored and had had their fuses or motors degrade so when the North Korean T-34s started rolling south best case you might get a detonation, worse case you have a rocket fire but not detonate the HEAT charge or not even leave the tube) if your going to be deploying weaponry intended to protect you and the lives of your fellow service personnel you better damn well check it, this might be second nature for things like firearms but do you really want be known as the person who's incompetence allowed a dud field of mines be deployed, allowing a hostile fleet or submarine Wolfpack to cruise into a vital see lane like they are going for a weekend fishing trip? as redundant as it sounds checking your equipment, be it a rifle or AT to something as large as a seamine or other high yield device can and will save your and possibly others lives if god forbid you need to fire shots (or lay the eggs from hell) in anger
Its a good long lasting design but the appearance itself is deceptive. There were several mechanical improvements and differences in not just the construction of the naval mine but also the mine laying strategy as a whole.
They also aren't always laid with the intention of sinking anything. But instead as area denial. If say, you know the English channel is full of mines. You are not going to sail through it. Therefore it doesn't need to be guarded (or not much anyway). Even if in truth there aren't many mines there. So long as the enemy knows there are mines in the area. They do their job.
Vessels turn starboard to give way, and so do so more often. Possibly in more of a hurry, so the horn signal to turn stbd is one blast, port two and astern three. This just echoes that.
Huh, interesting so when one buys a 1970 British mine layer, one must know how to operate it. Now all I need is to raise 5.7 million for an old mine layer
I had the Abdiel in 1980 as a three month loan draft while the Arethusa went into refit. I was a Seaman ( radar) at the time but branch changed to Mine Warfare during the first Gulf war. I spent nine months in 1991 clearing mines off Kuwait. I'm now in the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. I've still got a photo of my mate Michael McKeever, in tropical uniform, passed out on a bottom bunk on the Abdiel while alongside in Palma, Majorca. We'd been out drinking all day. He'd just pissed himself and it wasn't even his bunk. I still brings tears of laughter 40 years on. Oh to be 18 again.
You repeat instructions two or three times to make sure people get them. It's why you shout "Fire Fire Fire" instead of just a really long "Fiiirrreeeee!"
If you only said "now" once, the timing may be off in that you're relying more on a possibly jerky, rough reaction from hearing command to action occurring, where if you do a cadenced "now, now, now", the person performing the action has more time to react in a smooth manner in which the action happens more precisely timed with the final "now".
Now, now listen here.....how do you know when to lay the egg of the rooster only says now....now? Or should I say when is now? Now is now? But when was that? Well just watch Spaceballs. Do it now!
It is,very common to reapaet stuff 3 times at sea , for ex in radio traffic: Pan, pan ,pan / warning, warning warning this is #"ships name" >message , over : Or inter vessel com to avoid A ship to ship colition for ex: big ship big ship big ship , this is ms xxxx x3 you are on a colition corse with us please adjust your hedding to xxx dergres ,over.... on chanal 16 vhf it's simplex meaning that it's not sending and receving at the se time . Therfore one must mark ending of transmition so that others now when to cut in without interrupting the speaker. The idea is to compensate for poor aidio I transmition, and to give the reiver time to process what's being said before the transition is over.
We all know this was a training film and exercise, the white thing on top is the bobber so the mine sweeping team can practice recovery of mine laid in the mine laying film lol.
They are set to a depth. They float while the sinker sinks, ans pays out cable, then the cable is locked at a set depth and then the sinker drags the mine down with it.
@@smpgeek I think so. Thought they can lay mines in places like Sydney harbor where they can be retrieved early but if they're anticipating enemy ships there you know we're in a bad situation.
An all steel ship that rail not ever going to move They need starboard painted to know it's the star board side haha some smart thinks there not .call them selfs seamen They dropping them in 1000 fathoms of water
The blue coloring and bands denote there are inert training mines…You only lay real ones during war and if it’s a enemy merchant ship you sink then it’s not “criminal”..But yea, there are still tons of WW2 mines out there
8:30 the sling just doesn't look right. The slings look like they're dragging over the fuses. 😬... In fact they're not right. If one sling is cut on that protuberance or the sling shears it, the mine will tumble and the loader will get hit in the head and detonate the mine. There aren't enough aspirins in the world to relieve the kind of headache he's gonna get.
Bugged me at the time too. I asked why but now I forget the reason for it. Those protuberances are not fuses and the mine isn't armed when slinging so no chance of a detonation.
The sole purpose of these ships is to cause problems on purpose. submarines? get that out of here. aircraft carriers? nope. trying to resupply your navy? Yeah how bout you catch this mine? And I don't even have to be near you. I could be at a pub and suddenly the kill feed starts blowing up like the 2 cruisers, carrier, and the submarine that just ran into one of my mines. Literally, designed to make everyone's day harder and your day easier. Ultimate troll.
In the meantime, in 2021, they are still running their checklists and going through their procedures and have yet to lay one mine. Damn, even brexit was faster.
That's the sort of attitude that lost so many British ships at Jutland. Removal of antiflash doors and safety screens to ease loading. What a silly comment.
these are seamines, yes they are laid in combat conditions but it's not like these ships are on the front line casualy laying them as ASMs, torpedoes, naval gunfire and bombs are being dropped on them, yes they are a prime target for a lucky anti shipping plane or a submarine or even a medium sized Soviet missile boat (the PT boat of the modern world), yes this needs to be fast and efficient but again, laying mines is a defensive measure and it is presumed escort ships or aircraft are protecting the mine layer and although at risk this isn't a destroyer or cruiser (also this is a training exercise, they are going slower to teach people how to lay the mines, it is not a wargame to test their speed and also there are extra steps for training mines not present on the real deal (the recovery flares for example)) this is like saying the GI on a shooting range is too slugish with his firing and would be pegged in real combat if he was shooting that slow, drills are drills, thet simulates the real deal but nothing can perfectly capture the real thing expect first hand experience
Modern mines can target different classes of and even individual ships through their acoustic signature. But most recent minefields usually contained a mixed bag of old, new, ground, buoyant, contact and influence mines. Makes them more difficult to clear.
@@stephennelmes2707 I like the smart mines with the autonomous torpedoes inside or the ones designed to explode under a ship, create a giant steam bubble and crack the hull as the hull falls into it
wait what? they even throw out the spacers? Lol. The entire system sure was clumsy, slow and flawed imho, too many opportunities for mistakes. As engineer I sometimes I wonder about American engineers, how this even passes the end phase of design and testing is beyond me. Then again, we can see the results of this ignorance in Agricultural machinery to this day. To make my point (I know this system is out-dated, but it's fun): 1) you can only load one mine per crane 2) mines have to be handled by multiple personnel 3) Poorly designed access points on the ship for loading 4) over complicated wire rope design and sled, handled manually, with danger of exposed braid wire, inflicting injury, rope is "dragged" 5) substantial waste of space when mines are stored 6) storage design requires planning and execution of a "floor plan", improper directions result in loading/unloading delays or unsafe storage 7) personnel is secured via rope and exposed to immediate danger at the back of the ship, during opening of the hatch and "extending" of the rail 8) faults during laying put mines and sled in a difficult to resolve state, once a mine is over the "hump" it cannot easily be removed or the sled reversed. 9) personnel on-board is required to inspect and repair mines after mines are loaded, waste of resources and space for equipment
This was an exercise minelayer and it's using 2nd WW technology. Filmed in the 70s and the ship wasn't new. Shit mate, give the blokes a break. The country was broke, we only finished paying our American cousins back the money we owed them in 2006.
@@stephennelmes2707 Granted, we always learn from mistakes and poor designs. I just feel like that even then, this kind of stuff could have been designed much much better. It just looks like that nobody even considered better options, there is so much wrong with it. Even the wintergatan marble machine kicks the shit out of this thing. The royal navy minelayer was better designed in 1918 and they really didn't know much then. So for almost 60 years the Americans couldn't steal some ideas? Hehe....
I feel sometimes we forget how huge these things are in real life, honestly the scary thing is that these mines are big enough explosive payload wise where even an indirect detonation could crack the hull via sheer concussive force caused by the HE detonation, I was watching a video by jive Turkey on sea mines and he was talking about the latest models, one of which contains an autonomous torpedo designed to launch from under or near a target ship and these other advanced "smart mines" that are designed to explode underneath a ship in such a way that not only will the concussion damage the hull but that a void will form under the ship so it falls into a gap made out of superheated steam in aich a way it cracks the hull like a stale baguette on a concrete floor, you hear a lot about conventional AT and AP mines in addition to IEDs but I feel folks forget the power, danger and sheer lethality sea mines possess, be they old school floating mines or the autonomous "smart mines" of the modern navy
I'm embarrassed to realise that I've been doing it wrong for years. All this time I've just been rolling them off the back of ferries when nobody was looking. I need to study this and tighten up my technique. Thanks TH-cam!
I have an actual practice mine from this training ship . Its a MK 17 on its sinker. I have studied this film to try and see my actual mine by looking for the URN number painted onto the sinker. I have added a few videos to utube if anyone is interested.
is it in a shead, hot fuzz style? :D (but in all seriousness how do you store something that large and valuable as a collectable (and even though a training mine possibly respected depending on where you live) artifact?)
These training films were very important for many serving members of the uk forces. It enabled you to catch up on lost sleep in a darkened classroom or theatre.
found the guy who almost blew up the mine layer (JK) :D
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Really earning you pay are you NOT?
@@dadillen5902 That was our life, though. The navy, especially on a mine layer which carries a bloated contingent of crew because of the mines, consists of a lot of sleeping. And some work in-between, I suppose. We were the heroes you never heard about.
Thank fuck for that! Just as I was on the verge of a panic attack following the blood chilling realisation that I didn't have the first, solitary _clue_ vis a vis the correct procedure for laying naval mines from a Royal Navy mine-layer circa 1976, up popped this highly informative video.
Phew, close one! Thanks again TH-cam recommendations!
Just dont forget to go back and get em after the war is over!
if I recall most modern (in the sense of post second world war) seamines (and even some landmines like the SLAM) have timers in them where they can be set to detonate after a set time, it's very important to properly log the locations where mines of any kind are deployed but accidents can happen so great care must be taken, everything from highly trained frogmen, drones, dolphins and specialy built minimum metal minesweepers are used to locate, recover or if damaged or degraded perform a controlled detonation on minefields after hostilities cease
Its less efficient and cost way to much money to go back through and find mines layed. Also a country wouldnt wanna risk their men dieing from their own mines. Its easier and cost less money to leave them were they lay.
Now a days tho mines layed are 9/10 are made to make themselves inert after a certain amount of time. The 1/10 are dumb mines that guerilla fighters lay and improvise. Those are the mines that'll kill you not the ones layed by a major militarys. Now there are mines out there from previous conflicts from times when we didnt have mines that made themselves inert. In that case it's still better to let them lay where they are and mark the area off. Its easier to let people know they're there and cost less money then going through and finding each one. Its extremely stupid to go out to find them too because most militarys made mines hard as hell to find and detect.
@@nickdavis2128 If it costs too much money, it shouldn't be done. It's a lot more 'efficient' for me to drop litter in the street than find a bin, but I don't, becuase it's disguisting. The disregard our ISLAND has shown the seas over the last 100 years is an absolute disgrace. We should be ashamed
@@spikeypineapple552 So you are at war with litter? Perhaps you could lay mines that destroy people who litter.
They sink
My mom was just screaming at me because my brother said I showed him a restricted “movie”
Is stupid
dont worry mom,its not about sex,its about killing people.
P.s:its not about your mom,respect,its about our strange social moral.
it was a joke…
poor spacer... :(
The spacer is recognized as the un-sung hero of the mine laying operations......
Spacer deserves posthumous VC for its actions
Came down here to look for something like this about the spacers. A pointless waste. And the Royal Navy at the time was already bankrupt.
@Wesson Briggs o rly
@Wesson Briggs No nobody cares at all. You and your fake account can fuck off with your spam
Filmed on HMS Abdiel (N21), a "Training Minelayer". One of the lesser known ships but one I personally like the look of.
I have one of the mines from this Minelayer. If your interested I have put a few videos on utube.
I had a loan draft to Abdiel in 1984, good ship and ships company
I too had a loan draft in 1982. Just as the falklands was blowing up the Scabby Ab went to the Med with the reserves. “They must be trained” was the cry!
At the end we waited to turn right back to Rosyth as everyone else was heading south.
I was always told the vessel was a converted Norwegian car ferry and AFO’s stated it was not to entire any war zone.
Enjoyed time on board.
Always remember being on HMS Abdiel on a Sea Cadet jolly in the late sixties from Rosyth to her adopted town of Hartlepool. I always will remember making way along.g the Firth of the Forth on a glorious day.
I have made diligent notes on this complex procedure and have comitted this to memory. Now how do I apply this valuable information to my job as a waiter?
By carefully taking the nautical measurements of dining area and placing strategically located slippery spots via "accidental" spillages of water to make the bussers slip.
@@petlahk4119 That's great advice. Now just have to work out where to launch the mines from the kitchen.
The soup of course.
@@wntu4 Should I suggest a change of menu to the owner, recommending a bombastic soup de jour?
@@deanborchert9574 Yes they could be released on the command, 'now now now'. Appreciate your input.
16:30 Curtsying mines! You can tell this is an old film, modern area denial weapons aren't nearly as polite or respectful.
Yeah, the Mk-65 Quickstrike sinks upon entry into the water. You don't even get a "Thank you," from it.
They threw away the spacer :-/
I mean, the track is closed except at the point where they load it, they'd have to remove the mines behind it to let it off the track, but they have to lay those...so off it goes just like the mines
I used to make those. Good riddance to them.
@@liquidsonly you used to build mines, if you don't mind me asking?
@@bobbymancini9069 I don't mind you asking. I used to work in the machine shop, no mines allowed in there.
I assume the spacer is designed to be disposable in a real minefield (mainly as the mines are more expensive (and expendable as well) and raw danger of turning around in the minelayer to recover them) but I am surprised they don't rig the training models with floats or radio beacons so they can recover them for reuse (I assume the training mines are expensive and thus reusable, obviously a live one isn't though lol :D)
I can already hear the seagulls yelling MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE
The MK 17 & 18 look brutal!!
A mine is a terrible thing to waste!
And they are black mines at that.
BlaCk MiNeS MAtter bahahaha
Very interesting video! Thanks so much for posting this. My father was a sonar man on a minesweeper during WWII.
A very informative film. Mr. Bober, thank you for sharing this.
What rank does two tattoos and 2 sideburns denote?
TommyTwobats general of every military
Mine layer! Lol
Popeye the sailor rank
3 badge ab. 12 years and able rate already.
Chief dumbass
“Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!”-Rear Admiral David Farragut at the Battle of Mobile Bay
Watching while staying at the Royal Imperial Windsor Arms hotel
did this on HMS Plover in 1967 in the Clyde estuary, a full mine field all the way over from shore to shore great fun!!!
Don't tell the Scot Nats about that one!
I was an FTG aboard USS Joseph Strauss DDG-16 during deployments in 1970 and 1972. On June 4, 1972 just after midnight while making a firing run on a North Vietnam target, a huge underwater explosion under the bow, picked up the front half of the ship out of the water. The ship fluttered for several seconds, then slammed back into the water. Boilers went out. Engines went out. Strauss was dead in the water off the coast of North Vietnam. Several minutes later, another huge underwater explosion off the portside rolled the ship to starboard. 10 degrees, 20 degrees, 30 degrees, etc. Somewhere close to 35 degrees the rolling started slowing. The ship rolled to about 40 or 45 degrees, then started up-righting itself. Strauss was towed farther out. Boilers were relit. Engines refired. Strauss remained on station. USS Warrington DD-843 also experienced two huge underwater explosions. Warrington was towed to Subic Bay and was decommissioned due to the damage. USS Hollister DD-788 also experienced two huge underwater explosions. Hollister was able to remain on station. The damage to these ships were from mislaid U.S. Mark 36 Destructor Mines that were laid during Operation Pocket Money in May 1972 off North Vietnam harbors.
7:09 *Some guys laughing behind while people loading explosive to the ship.
love that laugh though
Mine laying ship looks ready for the scrapyard. This was 40 odd years ago about when berets were introduced to general service. I suspect newer type mines would be used nowadays and placed in position from submarines.
Nope it was commissioned in 1967 and Decommissioned in 1988 (HMS Abdiel N21)
Or dropped from aircraft.
@@blazer666del thanks for the info
The RN still has lots of mine warfare ships
@@blazer666del was you on Hermes at some point?
4-18 `If the mine gets fouled, the bogey man will turn the switch`
I never took any notice of RN vids when I was supposed to so no point in starting now.....
HMS Manxman finally left Chatham for scrap in '73, 39 3/4 Knotts what a ship
Why do they test the mines when they are on the ship? That sounds like a really great time to figure out half of them are broken.
They would test them after they were made the tests on the ship would to ensure nothing has happened in storage or transport.
It would only be one of many tests they would go through, during and after production, on a set schedule while in storage, when moved from storage to the docks, and then once embarked on the ship.
The reason for doing it on the ship is twofold.
1 is because they can repair many of the problems that they test for, such as bad connections in the control circuits, failing batteries, damaged switches etc, thus ensuring a properly functioning mine.
And reason 2 follows on that.
They don't want to lay a faulty mine, because it is a danger to their own ships.
Whether it has a faulty arming circuit and detonates right behind the laying ship, or doesn't properly anchor itself because of a bad release mechanism, etc.
Mines are very dangerous weapons to everyone, and the only way they work for the navy that lays them is if they are exactly where they are supposed to be, and that requires proper functionality of the systems, and so if they find a problem in the testing that they can not repair, then they would have some procedures in place to either jettison it unarmed and vented so that it just sinks to the bottom inert and harmless, or jettison it with some sort of demolition charge or a self destruct timer, or retain it on the ship to take back to port. (if the weather was decent, they could use the ships crane to shuffle the mines and move the faulty one to the rear of the line)
@ADEBISI ADEBISI actually, you are the one looking stupid for attacking someone for asking a question.
Without knowing that this is only one of a series of tests, or that some problems could be repaired, it's a pretty good question.
ADEBISI ADEBISI He literally just asked a question, you're a disgrace to all of mankind so would you kindly delete your google account and cancel your internet? That would be a good thing for all of us, you included.
@@bobthedog123456 yes, even after factory quality control checks its wise to make sure they work before deployment, my favorite example of how poorly stored munitions can bite you in the arse is during the first phase of the Korean war most bazooka rockets issued were not properly stored and had had their fuses or motors degrade so when the North Korean T-34s started rolling south best case you might get a detonation, worse case you have a rocket fire but not detonate the HEAT charge or not even leave the tube) if your going to be deploying weaponry intended to protect you and the lives of your fellow service personnel you better damn well check it, this might be second nature for things like firearms but do you really want be known as the person who's incompetence allowed a dud field of mines be deployed, allowing a hostile fleet or submarine Wolfpack to cruise into a vital see lane like they are going for a weekend fishing trip? as redundant as it sounds checking your equipment, be it a rifle or AT to something as large as a seamine or other high yield device can and will save your and possibly others lives if god forbid you need to fire shots (or lay the eggs from hell) in anger
Proper sized navy back then....
When I was a fisherman, we net the cradle for the mine in the North Sea
The design of the mine back then didn't change much compared to WW2 mines.
was think the same thing, look just the same.....
@@Lockbar The video is older than suggested
Its a good long lasting design but the appearance itself is deceptive. There were several mechanical improvements and differences in not just the construction of the naval mine but also the mine laying strategy as a whole.
With all of that open ocean it's hard to believe that a ship would hit a little mine.
They are usually laid in shipping channels and around the entrances to harbors
They also aren't always laid with the intention of sinking anything. But instead as area denial. If say, you know the English channel is full of mines. You are not going to sail through it. Therefore it doesn't need to be guarded (or not much anyway). Even if in truth there aren't many mines there. So long as the enemy knows there are mines in the area. They do their job.
I served on this ship Hms Abdiel in 1979
11:54 it sounded like he was making the beaping noise himself😂
Awesome
Seeing this makes me want to put a 50p inside the mine for charity
a lot of deactivated mines are used for charity now and let you do just that
Left & port have less letters and are quicker spoken, than right & starboard, but they decided to do more bells for port and less for starboard!?!?
Vessels turn starboard to give way, and so do so more often. Possibly in more of a hurry, so the horn signal to turn stbd is one blast, port two and astern three. This just echoes that.
The war would be over before theses could be laid......................
You just know the sailer with that red beard 12:24 wanted to be a Sargent, Sorry Petty officer.
The guy in the red beard is AB Charlie Charles. I served with him on the Pollington in the early 80s. Also with Brum Arnold (Buffer) RIP
@@cb5546 Thank you for your service!
11:10 connected
now now NOW!!!!
they threw the spacer into the ocean ie jettisoned it. didn't the royal navy have a metal recycling bin onboard each vessel?
Huh, interesting so when one buys a 1970 British mine layer, one must know how to operate it. Now all I need is to raise 5.7 million for an old mine layer
In the german navy, this is mein layer...
They just jettisoned the spacers?
I thought they were going to stow them along the walls for loading their next complement of mines.
wonder were these guys are now ?
legend says they are still sailing the worlds oceans, laying mines. :D
Probably still on the sea , sweeping for them
dead
I had the Abdiel in 1980 as a three month loan draft while the Arethusa went into refit. I was a Seaman ( radar) at the time but branch changed to Mine Warfare during the first Gulf war. I spent nine months in 1991 clearing mines off Kuwait. I'm now in the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. I've still got a photo of my mate Michael McKeever, in tropical uniform, passed out on a bottom bunk on the Abdiel while alongside in Palma, Majorca. We'd been out drinking all day. He'd just pissed himself and it wasn't even his bunk. I still brings tears of laughter 40 years on. Oh to be 18 again.
35 years earlier 4,000 ton 40knot Abdiel class minelayer. N21 featured in the film above was N21 HMS Abdiel: th-cam.com/video/5NWAfmrH5SI/w-d-xo.html
That's a surprisingly archaic system, even for the times.
This is 60's. not too far away from when they were properly using them
@@TheFreshSpam by the mid sixties the RDN had fully automated mine decks
@@chrthiel I'm sure on the flagships and the few newer classes at the time. Probably not standard on all at the time
@@TheFreshSpam It was standard across the entire fleet by 1964
@@TheFreshSpam Er its 1976
Why couldn't they lay mark 12 w the crane right into the water?
Crane is dock side. You'd just get a pile of mines next to the jetty/dock.
2021 anyone?
I'd like to know how much these mines cost a piece
Not nearly as much as they would now
Much less than the cost of a ship in terms of material and money…And that’s the point.
Just ... total madness. What we do ... the human race is just nuts.
Someone's gonna get laid in college.
Sinka?
It's like an old bond movie 😂😂😂😂
I remember i saw a disarmed mine in 2014
This Film Is Restricted *post on You Tube
Its sad that youtube is removing anything to do with any type of guns in it constantly soon this stuff will be lost
It was at this point a Exocet said hello :D
ميمز كامز مرة من هنا
strange to me that they say "now, now, now". Must be a British thing.
You repeat instructions two or three times to make sure people get them. It's why you shout "Fire Fire Fire" instead of just a really long "Fiiirrreeeee!"
If you only said "now" once, the timing may be off in that you're relying more on a possibly jerky, rough reaction from hearing command to action occurring, where if you do a cadenced "now, now, now", the person performing the action has more time to react in a smooth manner in which the action happens more precisely timed with the final "now".
Now, now listen here.....how do you know when to lay the egg of the rooster only says now....now? Or should I say when is now? Now is now? But when was that? Well just watch Spaceballs. Do it now!
I agree. it just needs a " drop the fucking thing" command.
It is,very common to reapaet stuff 3 times at sea , for ex in radio traffic:
Pan, pan ,pan / warning, warning warning this is #"ships name" >message , over :
Or inter vessel com to avoid A ship to ship colition for ex: big ship big ship big ship , this is ms xxxx x3 you are on a colition corse with us please adjust your hedding to xxx dergres ,over.... on chanal 16 vhf it's simplex meaning that it's not sending and receving at the se time . Therfore one must mark ending of transmition so that others now when to cut in without interrupting the speaker.
The idea is to compensate for poor aidio I transmition, and to give the reiver time to process what's being said before the transition is over.
Ship goes like: "Hmm i gotta take a huge shiet! its gonna be explosive i say!"
That a really crappy thing to say.
I see I'm not the only one that's bothered by the wasting of that spacer...
That's an awfully expensive piece of stainless steel I would have thought they would have just used cast steel
Let Go
We all know this was a training film and exercise, the white thing on top is the bobber so the mine sweeping team can practice recovery of mine laid in the mine laying film lol.
It also has a flair in it.
¿ Very hold the system minelayer ... age 50s and 60s. ?
thought mines were underwater as not to be seen
They are set to a depth. They float while the sinker sinks, ans pays out cable, then the cable is locked at a set depth and then the sinker drags the mine down with it.
Now I want to join the Navy
Don't, join the air force instead.
Dalton Chew won’t get much sea mine laying done in the RAF
@@smpgeek Same with the navy. They stoped using sea mines a long time ago.
@@maxischew514 do they only sweep now?
@@smpgeek I think so. Thought they can lay mines in places like Sydney harbor where they can be retrieved early but if they're anticipating enemy ships there you know we're in a bad situation.
Everyone wearing a hardhat except the bearded man
back when the world was real......... *sigh*
The wire GPS.
Welp, guess I'll go lay some mines.
I was a pipe layer when i was in the marines
I wonder how many of those fuckers are still floating around the ocean
A lot…I saw a map of mine fields in the Baltic and some areas are still hazardous today..From WW2
I live in KY. We don’t Mine with any of this stuff. We just dig our coal.
3 ringer in charge of a minelayer 🙂 who's wife as he been caught with 😀
2021, by god I know how to lay mines off my bass tracker now......
Some info on this ship. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Abdiel_(N21)
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Directed by a Whale...hehe.
Where were they laying this shit in 1976?
Some dodgy slinging at 08:30 😒
An all steel ship that rail not ever going to move
They need starboard painted to know it's the star board side haha some smart thinks there not .call them selfs seamen
They dropping them in 1000 fathoms of water
and today we push a button lol
did you know that USS tide (minesweeper class) hit a mine of the coast of utah on june 7
the irony lol
What? Utah is a landlocked state, this story is bogus.
It was Utah Beach in Normandy
Yes but they managed to bring the ship to salt lake city port, where it was repaired, there is a long tradition of shipbuilding in utah ,
I did Minewarfare in the Royal Navy. We were always told "Every ship can be a minesweeper....... once".
No,no,no
I say test them with a Hammer
Now we just launch cruise missles from 500 miles away.
The Royal Navy has loads of mine warfare ships, mined are still an important part of modern naval warfare
16:55 damn that was fast
What is to stop reg ships from hitting these. Mines are criminal. Killing mostly civilians
The blue coloring and bands denote there are inert training mines…You only lay real ones during war and if it’s a enemy merchant ship you sink then it’s not “criminal”..But yea, there are still tons of WW2 mines out there
Moronic
8:30 the sling just doesn't look right. The slings look like they're dragging over the fuses. 😬... In fact they're not right. If one sling is cut on that protuberance or the sling shears it, the mine will tumble and the loader will get hit in the head and detonate the mine. There aren't enough aspirins in the world to relieve the kind of headache he's gonna get.
Bugged me at the time too. I asked why but now I forget the reason for it. Those protuberances are not fuses and the mine isn't armed when slinging so no chance of a detonation.
The sole purpose of these ships is to cause problems on purpose. submarines? get that out of here. aircraft carriers? nope. trying to resupply your navy? Yeah how bout you catch this mine?
And I don't even have to be near you. I could be at a pub and suddenly the kill feed starts blowing up like the 2 cruisers, carrier, and the submarine that just ran into one of my mines.
Literally, designed to make everyone's day harder and your day easier. Ultimate troll.
In the meantime, in 2021, they are still running their checklists and going through their procedures and have yet to lay one mine. Damn, even brexit was faster.
Lol
Let's all pray ISIS doesn't stumble across this video!
That's a 40 years old video. If they are in a shooting war they would be sunk with all the safety nonsence
Joe M No they wouldn’t and I can confirm that. The rules of engagement haven’t suddenly been invented.
That's the sort of attitude that lost so many British ships at Jutland. Removal of antiflash doors and safety screens to ease loading. What a silly comment.
Procedure is the only way to control a hazardous and complicated process like this. It’s not a Michael Bay movie 🍿
these are seamines, yes they are laid in combat conditions but it's not like these ships are on the front line casualy laying them as ASMs, torpedoes, naval gunfire and bombs are being dropped on them, yes they are a prime target for a lucky anti shipping plane or a submarine or even a medium sized Soviet missile boat (the PT boat of the modern world), yes this needs to be fast and efficient but again, laying mines is a defensive measure and it is presumed escort ships or aircraft are protecting the mine layer and although at risk this isn't a destroyer or cruiser (also this is a training exercise, they are going slower to teach people how to lay the mines, it is not a wargame to test their speed and also there are extra steps for training mines not present on the real deal (the recovery flares for example)) this is like saying the GI on a shooting range is too slugish with his firing and would be pegged in real combat if he was shooting that slow, drills are drills, thet simulates the real deal but nothing can perfectly capture the real thing expect first hand experience
Vile indiscriminate weapon.
Mike Cimerian are you saying that weapons should be racist???
@@joecooper97 I think they mean that the weapon should only target combatants.
Calum Spencer the fact that you couldn't tell that was a joke saddens me.
Modern mines can target different classes of and even individual ships through their acoustic signature. But most recent minefields usually contained a mixed bag of old, new, ground, buoyant, contact and influence mines. Makes them more difficult to clear.
@@stephennelmes2707 I like the smart mines with the autonomous torpedoes inside or the ones designed to explode under a ship, create a giant steam bubble and crack the hull as the hull falls into it
wait what? they even throw out the spacers? Lol. The entire system sure was clumsy, slow and flawed imho, too many opportunities for mistakes.
As engineer I sometimes I wonder about American engineers, how this even passes the end phase of design and testing is beyond me.
Then again, we can see the results of this ignorance in Agricultural machinery to this day.
To make my point (I know this system is out-dated, but it's fun):
1) you can only load one mine per crane
2) mines have to be handled by multiple personnel
3) Poorly designed access points on the ship for loading
4) over complicated wire rope design and sled, handled manually, with danger of exposed braid wire, inflicting injury, rope is "dragged"
5) substantial waste of space when mines are stored
6) storage design requires planning and execution of a "floor plan", improper directions result in loading/unloading delays or unsafe storage
7) personnel is secured via rope and exposed to immediate danger at the back of the ship, during opening of the hatch and "extending" of the rail
8) faults during laying put mines and sled in a difficult to resolve state, once a mine is over the "hump" it cannot easily be removed or the sled reversed.
9) personnel on-board is required to inspect and repair mines after mines are loaded, waste of resources and space for equipment
wow, you must be fun at parties
@@ohmyblindman depends on the party of course.
What has this to do with American engineers? It's the British Navy.
This was an exercise minelayer and it's using 2nd WW technology. Filmed in the 70s and the ship wasn't new. Shit mate, give the blokes a break. The country was broke, we only finished paying our American cousins back the money we owed them in 2006.
@@stephennelmes2707 Granted, we always learn from mistakes and poor designs. I just feel like that even then, this kind of stuff could have been designed much much better.
It just looks like that nobody even considered better options, there is so much wrong with it. Even the wintergatan marble machine kicks the shit out of this thing. The royal navy minelayer was better designed in 1918 and they really didn't know much then.
So for almost 60 years the Americans couldn't steal some ideas? Hehe....
I feel sometimes we forget how huge these things are in real life, honestly the scary thing is that these mines are big enough explosive payload wise where even an indirect detonation could crack the hull via sheer concussive force caused by the HE detonation, I was watching a video by jive Turkey on sea mines and he was talking about the latest models, one of which contains an autonomous torpedo designed to launch from under or near a target ship and these other advanced "smart mines" that are designed to explode underneath a ship in such a way that not only will the concussion damage the hull but that a void will form under the ship so it falls into a gap made out of superheated steam in aich a way it cracks the hull like a stale baguette on a concrete floor, you hear a lot about conventional AT and AP mines in addition to IEDs but I feel folks forget the power, danger and sheer lethality sea mines possess, be they old school floating mines or the autonomous "smart mines" of the modern navy
I see the algorithm brought us together, I also just watched that video ... Yesterday
I'm embarrassed to realise that I've been doing it wrong for years. All this time I've just been rolling them off the back of ferries when nobody was looking. I need to study this and tighten up my technique.
Thanks TH-cam!
8:00 The days when the expression manhandled were not a normal porn movie expression
Wanna bet
Never heard it used in any context but the one here, ever.
I have an actual practice mine from this training ship . Its a MK 17 on its sinker. I have studied this film to try and see my actual mine by looking for the URN number painted onto the sinker. I have added a few videos to utube if anyone is interested.
is it in a shead, hot fuzz style? :D (but in all seriousness how do you store something that large and valuable as a collectable (and even though a training mine possibly respected depending on where you live) artifact?)