A Foursquare Pastor Who Started Agreeing With the Catholics - Kenny Burchard
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- Kenny Burchard was a Foursquare pastor for a number of years, but even becoming Christian in the first place as a teenager was a source of conflict in his family, because of his parents' complicated feelings toward religion.
During his time as a pastor, he began to make several discoveries about Christology, Scripture, history and the sacraments and found himself agreeing with Catholic thought on more and more questions.
Kenny shares how he came to the conviction that it wasn't enough for him to just agree with the Catholics on all these things; he needed to join them in their communion with Christ.
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As a life-long Protestant, who is a current attender of and believer in Catholic Church (not official), this is the best explanation I have heard so far of the thought process that occurs within the mind of a Protestant who is searching Catholicism.
*R Catholicism has nothing to do with God and His Words. R Catholic Church contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!*
1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10.
2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39.
3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47.
4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10.
5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26.
6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19.
7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5.
8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians.
9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18.
10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”.
11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10.
12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10.
13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6.
14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it.
15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.
I have never been to an activity in the Catholic church that bashes other faiths, but I have been to other churches that bash Catholics. It says everything to me.
Sadly, I did this Catholic bashing a lot when I was a non Catholic pastor. My 33 years as a non Catholic saw more instances of this -- many of them quite viscious and uninformed -- than I can count.
Spreading the word is not bashing it
Is truing to reason with the unsaved as commanded biblically.
If you see someone about to drink poison
You are obligated to warn them.
John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
@@savedbygrace8337 Warning someone is different than ridiculing them or spending 30% of a sermon straw manning or making something up about people of another faith. Unfortunately that happens all the time and we all need to strive to not do it.
@@bananapie2198 be specific please.
@@savedbygrace8337 It happens all the time. My wife was Baptist and started to get annoyed that the preaching in her church spent alot of time telling the congregation about what other people who called themselves Christians but really weren't, instead of preaching from the Bible. She heard all sorts of things about what Catholics believed until she met one who said "no, we don't believe that." At first her response was "yes, you do!" but then realized how silly it was to tell someone else what they believed. She eventually started asking questions and learned that most of what her pastor was saying about other Christians was wildly misrepresented or flat out untrue. When that happened it was a domino effect from there. My best friend is Baptist and he tells me all the time what I believe and sends me sermons from his pastors that wildly misrepresent or are inaccurate or blatantly false regarding Catholic teaching. I haven't heard it in the Catholic Church yet although I see plenty of nasty comments from Catholics on TH-cam. But my point specifically is we should be aiming for unity and not aiming for division through misrepresentation and ugliness.
This is great! When I reverted to the Catholic Church after 26 years of Protestantism, I was so relieved to be home.
Catholic apologetics was instrumental in leading me home.
Well said
I love all these Protestants coming into the church and working for the church.
Awesome
*R ctists pretenders think R ct = the Church. Hilarious.*
humorously I came back to the church because of what I witnessed in other faiths
There is a sense from the universal reaction of American Protestantism particularly that either the Catholic Church must a demon driven and hideous cult...or it really must be correct about everything. For sure, nothing else really appealed to me when I was away. The only other church I even ever thought seriously about was Anglicanism.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:”
“I’ve gone too far. What am I doing not being catholic?”
That’s where I am at right now. I’m looking for reasons to not be catholic, or as I put it, I am doing my due diligence to make sure I haven’t over looked something major.
Major things:
Baptism's role on salvation
Church or bible pillar of the truth?
What do the keys and the power to bind means?
Does God forbid images or idolatry?
Is bowing "to" an image a true and unmistaken sign of idolatry or not? Do we actually bow TO the image?
The words of Christ, and its repetitions, about the nature of the Eucharist tell it to be His body or just a wafer?
Are people saints if they live a life of true obedience to Christ's commandments or not?
Are the saintly deceased dead or alive in God?
If they are alive could they or not intercede with Christ by praying for us?
Also, if such people are saints (separated for God), Is Mary a saint or not?
Is there hierarchy in Heaven?
How could her act of acceptance, the salutation of the angel, the salutation by st. Isabel and her own prophecy while praising God compare her to all these other saints?
I think if you cover it, and you will find plenty of evidence for the cases above in the bible, i am sure you will convert to Catholicism.
But, if you are still unsure, you should read what the Christians who first learned from the apostles believed and practiced...there is no escape from there! Pax Christi!
Hi Andrew, I have listened to this podcast and noticed that you wrote this letter about becoming Cstholic. Although it is a year later, I sincerely hope that you found your way to Catholicism. I have converted about 35 years ago, and I can only say that God was good to me by leading me to His one True Church. All honour and glory to him.
God bless you!🕯🕯🕯
Best wishes on the journey xx
I had a similar experience with the Holy Spirit telling me to go into a Catholic Church! 😱I also felt, almost like a magnetic pull to go into the church!
That pull is the Holy Spirit….that’s how He works through us. Keep praying for Him to guide you. 🙏
I just did, do it.
That happed to me twice. It was a pulling, as you say, and something else, it felt like love.
That happens to me everytime I walk past one too 🙏✝️⛪
Have you taken the sacraments, especially eucharist? Bless
@@Vincenzo-wn1or Yes! I’m Catholic now.🎉🎉🎉🎉💖
Wow! Just wow my brother, welcome to the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic church. It was really a calling from the Holy Spirit. You were guided by Jesus and his mother to His church. Super WOW! God bless you!
Roman pride is not a virtue but rather a vice. Christ said, "the last shall be first and the first shall be last" see you egotistical Romans at the end of the line.
@Troll Patrol Roman Church leadership does not boast in the Lord, they boast in the traditions of the Roman Emperor who is long since dead flesh. That's what much of Catholicism is about; boasting in the traditions of the Roman peoples. That tradition included conquest by violence, the great Roman cultural principal. That's not to say there are no Christians in the Church of Rome, of course there are, it's simply points out that even to this day the egotistical need to dominate other people's is strong in much of the Catholic Church, especially the leadership. Human flesh is attracted to this type of power. It brings a false sense of security and fleshly community. Not all that Rome promotes is in error. May the Holy Spirit open your eyes to what is truth and what is fleshly pride coming from Rome.
I'am proud Catholic. Thank you for your powerful testimony. I am inspired and thankful to our Lord Jesus Christ for these testimonies.
Welcome home brother. I am from the Philippines. God bless us all.
Why o why do you think to be a PROUD catholic is a good thing . As a atheist ,I thought pride was a sin in your delusional church . yes sin sin sin sin , don't you love
the idea of SIN
Florlinda, i visited subic bay as a young sailor, the people were so nice and friendly, my aunt met a sailor from P.I. When he had liberty in our city, they were married for almost 50 years. Uncle freddy , a wicked cool guy! God bless.
@@merrybolton2135 hi Mary Bolton 2135 ,hope you and your family are well.Yes I agree the word proud is a poor choice of word ,but I think she means she is proud of the Catholic Church not of herself? Perhaps grateful would be a better word? God bless you and your family.
This is a honest and clear explanation of the journey I took. Except, I was born and baptised Catholic before rejecting it and having to learn the truth of it from journeying through dozens of Protestant variations of the truth.
Listening in from Ireland
Your testimony was so touching.. I almost cried. Welcome home Pastor. 😇🙏
Godbless Bro.
As an evangelical Christian, this is very refreshing to hear as I have been wondering about the same thing. I’ve been watching Bishop Baron for a while, but still don’t have the courage to go to a Catholic Church.
Fred Irianto
Brother don't be shy to go to a Catholic Church, you will be welcomed with open arms, remember she is the Bride of Christ.
I’ll keep you in prayer Fred! May you have the courage to step into the Catholic Church.
Peace be with you
@@contemplatingchrist I love my Latin Mass, but not a good place to start if you've never been to a Catholic service.
There’s St. Thomas More Church not far from home, so I might start there…….
Before becoming a Catholic, the tenets of beliefs must be examined carefully with an open mind. There is a lot to lose leaving behind what you have now. What you gain should surpass what you have now. It's tough to be a Catholic unless one is convinced of the belief system to be true.
When my kids were little, we had a wonderful teen babysitter with a passion for Christ and the Bible. One day, she approached me, very seriously and with great love, saying she had been told at her church that Catholic are not Christians, yet she had seen that we most certainly were. She asked about the usual things ... Purgatory, Mary, etc. ... and I explained Catholic doctrine in terms I thought would meet her where she was at that time. She pondered it all and said that, while she didn't agree, she did see how we could truly be biblical Christians while holding these teachings to be true.
Bravo Mom, good testimony. Wheat and tares in all churches. Always been that way.
@@Totem360 So, was this babysitter wheat or tare? She took very serious differences and surmised that they made no difference because she subjectively “felt” that this family was devoted to Christ. And this to you is noble? She could have done the same for a Mormon family or a JW family or a Prosperity Gospel family or a Oneness Pentecostal family.
@@HannahClapham language is often insufficient in conveying reality. I took it to mean in reality not that she felt, as an emotional feelings, but that she has seen evidence as in fruit, you know fruit of the Holy Spirit, that she saw good fruit, and in her discernment that is the babysitters discernment, determined that as Christ said we will know them by their fruit, that it was quite possible, based upon the hard evidence of the fruit, the good fruit, that they had indeed received Christ as their savior and his work on the cross as justification, and thus now being sanctified were producing the fruit of the Spirit, regardless of the errors, and there are many, in the Roman Catholic Church. It may just be when Christ said, do not judge, that he was referring to people as yourself who judge people as unsaved and heathen when they know not the person but merely hear of them, and have not seen the actual fruit, or the lack thereof, but a representation of it in language only.
@@Totem360
I must admonish you for being so judgmental as to judge me for being judgmental! I mean, you don’t know my heart, right? 🤨
The Bible really doesn’t tell us not to judge. That is a misrepresentation of Matthew 7:2. The verse is telling us to be very, very careful, for we will be judged with the same standard by which we judge others. Instead, Scripture tells us to “judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Indeed, this passage exhorts us not to judge by appearances (which seems to be what the babysitter did) but by using due diligence to figure out what is actually the case.
Any ultimate judgment of another person is left to God alone. We are too limited, too fallible. We can never know enough. On the other hand, it is often our Christian duty to discern, as closely as we can, the state of somebody else’s faith. How else can we properly help them?
I had a student once, a devout Muslim, who, in terms of the “Gifts of the Spirit” was head and shoulders above his Christian classmates: so humble, so generous, so respectful! I have also known Mormons who have exhibited a joyful and welcoming attitude towards others that far outstripped any I knew in the body of Christ. I think it obvious that part of our discernment of others needs to center on the CONTENT of their theological commitments. One must be faithful to the teachings delivered to the Saints.
@@HannahClapham correct, but it did seem that you judged in that you changed her words seeing, she saw their fruits, and you change the word into feelings. Now I may have made a mistake, I've made mistakes before, but in changing her language and then bearing down with a negative connotation seem to be rather clearly judging. If you weren't judging, please accept my apology and I'll stand corrected.
WOW that was great welcome home brother. VIVA CRISTO REY
Thanks, David! God is good!
Sad to see that Anti Catholic Bias is still living in the minds of many of our Christian Family....But Like Kenny, Myself and many others, The Holy Spirit is leading the way, Shinning the light and breaking down wall of ignorance that divides the Precious Body of Christ...Come Holy Spirit
@@allengiese605 is it really 'bias', Allen?
question for ya - and we can keep it very basic and clear, easy to comprehend:
does God's church know God ?
does God's church love Christ ?
does God's church walk in Truth ?
does God's church prepare for Heaven ?
all these are found in Scripture. you can find them in 1 John 2:3, John 14:15, 1 John 2:4 and Rev 22:14, respectively.
so this isn't at all about 'bias' now , it's about your integrity.
please read these and give a very clear and undeniable 'yes' or 'no' - that God's church matches these, please.
i was catholic 35 yrs and still today, no catholics can answer this with accuracy and integrity.
it's just not possible they answer these and remain catholic.
i am hoping Kenny reads this as well, he won't answer - he can't answer.
again, no catholic can.
thanks for reading, Sir.
i look forward to continued discussion on these Truths i've listed from the Word of Truth (John 17:17).
So good to see another person on the quest for uncompromised truth breaking thru the barriers. You have discovered the origins, and the full Deposit of the Faith! Welcome home, Brother. We cradle Catholics also have explored other faiths to let no stone of Roman Catholicism go unturned. If one is honest, truth will prevail. Led me to traditional Catholicism. Blessings, blessings, blessings ton you!!
@@finallythere100 catholicism doesn't follow uncompromising Truth, Sir.
don't you have a Bible?
or do you just not understand It?
I am a convert from over 20 years ago, I was a Pentacostal. Conversion scared the daylights out of me, I thought I might be possessed at the time. It amazes me that people can still convert even with Pope Francis. The Holy Spirit is working on people despite the rotten leaders we frequently have.
What wrong with pope Francis?
I like the phrase "even with Pope Francis". Yes our pope doesn't seem to know simple facts sometimes because he gives doses of ambiguities with inclination towards heresies from time to time.
His document of fiducia supplicans created a furore in the Church especially in Africa.
how could a Christian say that he follows only the Bible and at the same reject the Catholic doctrine. The Bible is deeply Catholic!
Liturgy is the heart of the Mother Church! Il love our Church!
Parents tell children to brush their teeth. If on reaching the age of 18 they decide not to do this - that is their right as an adult. The laissez faire attitude is dereliction of parental duty. Thank God this man found God.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 No he found God.
The Holy Spirit Is The Truth. As The Catholic Church. Your Are Welcome In The Name Of Our Lord Jesus Christ. God Bless You
"Catholics added books to the Bible!" "Correct, all 73 of them."
No, when Protestants left the Catholic Church they ommited those "added books"
The books already exist when Protestant came the Book became 66.. Then try add 6 666 😂
@@benadettechepkirui6233 would sincerely love to hear from you when and how you think those 7 books were added. I want to understand your perspective. Thank you.
@@bananapie2198 All 73 books were in the Bible when the canon of scripture was established by the Catholic Church near the end of the 4th century. There was no canon of scripture until this time.
@Troll Patrol Check your name and then examine my post and see if the two line up. ;)
What a nice honest man.
I'm a craddle Catholic that grew up with the Charismatics and I can assure you that the Holy Spirit definitely speak to us Catholics too, the problem is we often just don't listen to Him or realize it's the Holy Spirit speaking to us. It is in the Bible itself, both new and old testament and in our Creed. Jesus even reasures the apostles that he will leave the Holy Spirit with them and we see Him act several times in the Bible but specially so in Pentecost, which is celebrated in the Catholic Church every year.
I AM CATHOLIC 🔥❣️🕊️🙋
2:04 - Parents do offer "Figure it out for yourself" as either a well intention option or because they don't know themselves. But it's a terrible burden for a little kid.
Thank you for sharing this. Very thankful the Lord lead you to becoming one of us 🙏🏻
Beautiful, rn im kinda going threw the same thing . Been going to mass for a year already but now im taking a step to my first communion
Beautiful!
It was a real joy hearing your story about joining us. Thanks for sharing it.
I've never been told to stay away from other faiths by my Priest or Bishop, but I've been told by good intended, loving people that I should immediately leave the Catholic Church. My conclusion is that my Priest and Bishop are very confident in the faith and can keep me there without leaning in a negative way.
This gentleman is correct! The Bible was canonized under Pope Damasus .He was 37th Pope after St.Peter. He held a ecumenical council of Rome year 384. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit produced the first bible . It was the first Bible. Called the Latin Volgate. Complete with the 27 books of the new testament.
that wasnt a ecumenical council.Popes of Rome were just a bishop out of many in the 1st millenium
@@MichaelTheophilus906
Peter was a bishop of Rome
Biblical sources support Paul’s presence in Rome and
According to legend, Peter was in Rome and early church fathers support peters presence in Rome.
These written historical accounts are facts. Something that fundamental Protestant’s either try to re-write history, ignore or twist sources to support their heresy
@@MichaelTheophilus906 Then who was the 1st Pope??
It was the Council of Rome in 382.
It wasn't an Ecumenical Council
It did give us the Bible
@@sumbarine who compiled the Bible and on whose authority?
Kenny, powerful testimony!
powerful, but sad.
catholicism promotes sin.
@@tony1685 Truth is not sad, but hard.
@@aadschram5877 Truth is sad for those who choose catholicism over Truth, as Kenny has.
it's sad, because it was hard, even impossible to this point, for him to accept Truth and realize that Truth shows us clearly that catholicism just can't be God's church.
i know.
was catholic over 3 decades and believed it was right.
i was way wrong and so is Kenny now.
Thanks. Praise God!
@@KennyBurchard you abandoned our discussion, Sir. why is this?
i am guessing that, like *ALL OTHER CATHOLICS* - you couldn't disprove His Commandment so had to run off the other way.
this will never change. you're fighting a losing fight. catholicism promotes sin and is evil. this will never change.
I just realized something. All denominations are dependent on the Faith, Bible and Tradition. What they are missing is the Magisterium - some authority - to help them know which traditions are from God and which are from man.
Praise Jesus that he started a Church and for the Church, through the magisterium to bring us the Bible and the Sacraments so that we can live Jesus filled lives.
The teachings and traditions of the Magisterium are from scholarly and prayerful discernment by faithful Christian men who knew scripture, the culture and times it was written in. Many more wise men of faith read, poured over them, discussed and contemplated them throughout the centuries. Some of the earliest of them were taught by the Apostles themselves. If their understanding of the faith is not reliable, I don't know what is. Their leadership was and is needed. We are blessed to have it.
@@lyndavonkanel8603 Amen Lynda! What is so funny is that the tradition of American Protestantism has taught people to listen to any random Christian speaker (in the past 500 years, and more so modern alive speakers) and take their teaching as it is authoritative, but don't give any weight to the 2000 year old tradition of Christianity in fact distrust it and many belittle it without even studying it.
But of course we have to realize that this is the fault of their tradition, not themselves.
@@PatrickSteil So it would seem. Thank you for your supportful comments. They were good to read after being foolishly blasted by someone such as you described. Have a blessed day.
@@lyndavonkanel8603 Yah, I am grateful that the Church helped Catholics to see that we have to be charitable to our fellow brothers and sisters in the Faith. That antagonism and rudeness is not going to help anyone see more of His Truth.
Thank you for sharing your coming home story! You have blessed my life all the way from 🇵🇭
“ I HAVE TO BE CATHOLIC”, Thank you for sharing your testimony.
shows how lost people can be when they don't understand Bible basics.
none have to be catholic - catholicism isn't Christianity and it promotes sin.
@@tony1685 Hi Tony, Good shabbos to you and yours, my friend!
Don't listen ignorance.
@@tony1685 precisely the satanic cult of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man, tried to destroy the church of saints established by Jesus under the stewardship of Peter for the last five hundred years but utterly failed instead managed to establish fifty thousand heretic churches. No gates of hell will prevail against the church of saints Jesus himself promised to Peter and will remain till he comes back.
@@rudyandrade1407 if that sick man will disrespect what our Creator sanctified, blessed, made Holy - there's no telling how he treats his family and 'friends'.
one sick puppy really!
*Happy Sabbath!!!*
thanks for posting Rudy.
i pray your day has Jesus in It!
When one is truly honest, intelligent and humble, you will discover the Catholic in you; the Holy Spirit will lead you there and no where else. Welcome Pastor!
What a powerful testimony!! God bless you abundantly.
Amazing testimony!
Welcome home! Great story and God bless!!
You are totally awesome 😎
Beautifully expressed testimony - thank you so much for sharing!
God Bless you brother may the God use you powerfully with the anointing of the holy spirit be always with you
Oh wow! This is a beautiful testimony! I love your story and your conviction. Thank you.
What a beautiful journey! 💕🙏🏻
Thanks be to God, Susan!!!
Welcome home to the Catholic Church. 🎚🎚🎚
Evangelical turned Anglican here. My evangelical roots taught me to love Jesus; my Anglican community has given me a rule of life, a liturgy (Sarum rite) to shape me, and an ecclesiology that gives my faith a history and depth of 2,000 years.
Anglican was created by Henry VIII in 1534. Catholic Church by Jesus Christ 2000 years ago. England is Catholic since I century.
While the High Anglican liturgy appears quite similar to the Catholic liturgy in outward appearance, the difference is actually infinite. The Priest has the power to bring the Lord Jesus physically to the altar, the Vicar/ Minister can not. That's just one instance. Why drink from the puddle when you can drink from the spring.
Wasn't that an invention of King Henry to marry the Boleyn girl?
@@SiniSimon
No. Henry died an RCer.
@@Apriluser Really? So who founded the Anglican Church, I know the ruling Monarch is head of the Church of England, how do these connect?
Love the mother story
Welcome Home! Peace be with you.
Tremendous 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Good
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Wonderful!!
Wow, great video
Anti Catholicism is in "every dish" in Protestantism like anti Christianity is in Islam.
and Anti theism in Atheism
When one says "the Catholic Church is the one and only true church", are you not making the Protestants feel exclusionary? So, I guess anti-Protestantism is in "every dish" in Catholicism like anti Christianity is in Islam.
@@davidhall2197 is that you must understand what it means that the Catholic Church has the fullness of the revelation and that all the other religions have only a part of the revelation. example: in the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church there are 7 sacraments but among the Protestants there are more only if I am not mistaken at most 3. Among the Orthodox and Catholics there are not many differences but Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son while the Orthodox claim that he only proceeds from the Father to the Son. Sorry for the orthographs I'm not an english speaker, i speak french
@@romain3935 More arrogance from a Catholic.
@@davidhall2197 what ever you think it's, it's not my problème, just trying to explain you the fact and at this point try to make understand that it's not because catholics don't like protestant that they are saying that but It's because We believe in what was teache since the begining of the church. And what's True is that protestantism rejeted a lot of traditions of Church that even the Orthodox never rejeted. I'm sorry if in my way of speaking look to you like an arrogant way of speaking, but I was just trying to explain why catholics around the world are saying that. I realy believe what I'm saying to you.
Ps: excuse my english also if it's bad 😅
Ammennnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Welcome home
Amen
Chesterton talks about seeing a parade walking through town and there is incense, altar servers, priests, a book, bishops, and the Eucharist. One could be forgiven for saying none of it is worthwhile, but to take only pieces and rejecting the rest makes no sense. I'll take the Bible, maybe some hymns, a few prayers, but forget the rest. It doesn't make sense.
I see conversion in his future! Preachers convert to Rome, weak Catholics become weaker nondenominational types! When you find the truth and history of the Catholic Church, you have no choice but to convert the one true Church of Christ!
I'm from a predominantly Catholic nation that "do not take our faith seriously". When God gives us typhoons, we just laugh it off and swim in those murky waters. When God gives us earthquakes, it's nothing to be serious about; let's continue our karaoke party. When there is nothing to eat, we laugh with Jesus. When cancer is so painful, we sing & dance with Jesus. We love Jesus so much that eating in Jesus' banquet is seriously a fiesta!
What's this about taking your faith seriously?
His will be done...
Im from a Penecostal background looking to join the Catholic Church however I think there are these anti - catholic sentiments I grew up with in the back my mind telling me I made the wrong choice please pray for me
@christianstephens7213
Christian,
Just remember our Lord Jesus Christ founded just one Church; it's called The Catholic Church because of the mission Jesus sent it in:
• Matthew 28:19-20
19. Going therefore, teach ye ALL NATIONS: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.
20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I AM WITH YOU ALL DAYS, even to the consummation of the world.
Jesus Christ never left His Church; just like He promised.
Yeah. I get it
Please let us know if we can help you in any way!
“The Catholics added books to the Bible”. Said the Mormons while they added a whole book and prophet 😂
Brothers and sisters in Christ don’t be deceived by protestant trolls who prowl around Catholic channels seeking the ruin of souls. Pray for their conversion to the Christian Church established by Jesus Christ not the denominations started
by prideful men. Men who ignored Christ. Pray that Jesus will remove the scales from their eyes like he did for Saul.
@Barb Wellman *Where in the Bible teach all these ns of: “Faith + good works + partake Roman ct sacraments + be in r ct + submit to r ct pope + devote to Mary = to be saved”?*
Wow
@Barb Wellman *You will have to support your case with Scriptures on "Jewish law requires male children to secure their parent's future."*
you said
The truth is Christ would not break Jewish law that requires male children to secure their parent's future.
Christ gave His mother to a non-relative because she had no other male children.
@paulamadden1766 *My question remained: Where in the Bible says “partake 7 sacraments to be saved”? Versus “believe in Jesus to be saved” John 3:16?*
@Barb Wellman *Where in the Bible says R Catholics can take doctrines from fallible early writings rather than from the words of Earliest Church Fathers (Jesus, APostles and nt church)?*
11:45 i remember jimmy akin doing this also when he's still no Catholic
@Barb Wellman *Where in the Bible says "submit the pope to be saved"? Or "be in R Church to be saved"? Or "devote to Mary to be saved" or "partake Roman sacraments to be saved" like what R Catholics say?*
St. Paul clearing states that anyone who rejects the Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is heaping judgement on himself.
That is doctrine according to Scripture and therefore the Church.
@S Rich *You are just proving my point. Jesus and APostles already called Scriptures, Scriptures, before the "whole set" was formed. Why is that so?*
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Think about it. When Paul quoted scripture as “scripture” before he died, much of the NT had not even been written yet. So when Paul said “scripture” he was meaning and using the OT scriptures. 🤦♂
@Barb Wellman *I see .. you kept dodging .... R Church teaches "submit the pope to be saved"? Or "be in R Church to be saved"? Or "devote to Mary to be saved" or "partake Roman sacraments to be saved" . WHere in the Bible teach allthesens?*
@Barb Wellman *This is called plucking one verse out of context and disregarding the whole chapter. John 6:47 is clear what this meant. It is "believing in Jesus that gives eternal life". Not some C-lism.*
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John 6:
But whoever eats of My Body and drinks of My Blood has eternal life, and I shall raise him in the last day.”
@Barb Wellman *You meant early writings that had deviated from what the Earliest Church Fathers (Jesus APostles ane nt Church) had taught?*
*How is that a proof for doctrines? WHich is more accurate? Earliest Church Fathers (Jesus APostles ant nt Church) or latter deviations?*
*I havent seen any early writings that says "7 sacraments saves". Versus "Jesus saves or believe in Jesus to be saved"*
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The evidence is also secure in the Early Church and the writings of their bishops and martyrs. The Church continued to practice seven Sacraments.
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@Barb Wellman *Church of Lucy.*
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Yes, it does. Name me another Church that is 2000 years old.
@BensWorkshop *Remain unchallenged: I have read more antenicene fathers than most Roman pagans. Nowhere did they say “Roman pagan religion = Church Christ founded or the Universal Church”. Neither did they promote Roman pagan man made doctrines of Roman pagan Mass (sacrifice Jesus on the altar back to God) or Roman pagan Transubstantiation (elements transform into Jesus to be eaten by Roman pagans).*
@Barb Wellman *It is clear you cannot prove "7 sacraments save" theory. Bible does not teach "sacrament saves". Bible teaches "Jesus saves" or "believe in Jesus to be saved".*
@Barb Wellman *Still no answer? Where in the Bible says “partake 7 sacraments to be saved”? Versus “believe in Jesus to be saved” John 3:16?*
What we are trying to say is that tradition plays as big. A part in the Catholic Church as the Bible does. Goodbye is a product of the Catholic Church. There was no Bible for the first 400 years. It was just all done by passing down through word-of-mouth by the apostles disciples. And church authority figures add the counsel to Rome. Around 480 is when the Bible came into being so the church was in existence. Before the Bible, Jesus did not leave a book. Or a Bible he left a church and gave the keys to the Kingdom to Peter. Most evangelical or protestant churches believe in Sola scriptura, which means they only believe in the bibler Scripture and do not have the tradition that the Catholic Church has. Therefore, it is easy to understand why you cannot see the way. I've Catholicism a lot of what we do was done in those first 400 years. That was just passed down through word-of-mouth and is not in the Bible.
So you can't just say that. If it's not in the Bible, it's not so when the Catholic Church because a lot of what is done was done before there was ever a bible by the apostles. And they're disciples. I'm not sure
@@paulamadden1766 *Yes the usual ns from Roman pagans. Scriptures of modern day Bibles were already there in all churches by ad100s. Jesus and APostles already called Scriptures Scriptures. Yet Roman pagans pretended Scriptures only came by ad400. Tha'ts total lack of knowledge.*
*And God did leave us Scriptures. Stop saying God did not leave us Scriptures. Is OT not Scriptures to Roman pagans?*
*Jesus did not say PEter was pope or bishop of bishops or head of the church like what Roman pagans claimed. Stop making false claims you cannot prove.*
*Jesus did not say Roman pagans inherited any authority of Peter or was successor of Peter and Apostles. Stop making self claims you cannot prove.*
*Jesus did not say "Roman religion = the Universal Church or Church Christ founded". Neither Scriptures or real history mentioned so. SO where did Roman pagans get all your false claims?*
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What we are trying to say is that tradition plays as big. A part in the Catholic Church as the Bible does. Goodbye is a product of the Catholic Church. There was no Bible for the first 400 years. It was just all done by passing down through word-of-mouth by the apostles disciples. And church authority figures add the counsel to Rome. Around 480 is when the Bible came into being so the church was in existence. Before the Bible, Jesus did not leave a book. Or a Bible he left a church and gave the keys to the Kingdom to Peter. Most evangelical or protestant churches believe in Sola scriptura, which means they only believe in the bibler Scripture and do not have the tradition that the Catholic Church has. Therefore, it is easy to understand why you cannot see the way. I've Catholicism a lot of what we do was done in those first 400 years. That was just passed down through word-of-mouth and is not in the Bible.
So you can't just say that. If it's not in the Bible, it's not so when the Catholic Church because a lot of what is done was done before there was ever a bible by the apostles. And they're disciples. I'm not sure
@@paulamadden1766 *My question remained: Where in the Bible says “partake 7 sacraments to be saved”? Versus “believe in Jesus to be saved” John 3:16?*
@@paulamadden1766 *If Roman Catholicism is truth or Church of the Bible, why was there not a single New Covenant believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why is that so? Please explain coherently intelligently.*
- submit to Roman pope to be saved
- devote to Roman Mary to be saved
- be in Roman Church to be saved
- partake Roman sacraments to be saved
- baptise in Roman baptism to be saved
- do lots of works to be saved
@Barb Wellman *So? "catholic church" in early writings has always meant "all local churches + all believers" - referring to the Christian Church being universal. Not R Catholic Church.*
*Why do you think Christian Churches have "Catholic Church" in our creeds too?*
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"The first known use of "Catholic" was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD)."
No one comes to the Father but by me. Jesus. not the catholic church, not Mary, not the pope.
@Barb Wellman *Which verse "excludes Simon and Judas as brothers"?*
*Still nowhere says "James and Jose were sons of Mary Cleopas". So where is your proof?*
*Then you introduced another m m doctrine. Bible does not say Mary = mother of God. This one we can discuss later.*
*What we speculate of Apostles' beliefs is Not a proof for doctrines. Next.*
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You actually believe the Apostles would refer to the Mother of God as "Mary the mother of James, Jose's and Salome"?
By the way, that particular verse excludes Simon and Judas as brothers.
I tell people all the time there is a big difference between being catholic and being a practicing catholic
What you never read what Jesus said to Paul about that church he was persecuting being the Lord himself? And why did he become a bishop in it and where is it now?
@Barb Wellman *Still dodging? Where in the Bible or history says “Roman ct = Christ’s Church or the Universal Church “? Where is your proof? Still waiting…*
@Jennifer Wagster *Then you are proving Christian doctrine. Not R Catholic doctrine. What is in the heart is "believe in Jesus to be saved" like what the Bible says. Eph 2:8-9, John 3:16.*
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What matters, in other words, is what is in the heart.
@Barb Wellman *Remain unchallenged:*
*Bible says salvation is guaranteed.*
2Co 1:22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2Co 5:5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
*Bible says Holy Spirit is the seal of our salvation.*
2Co 1:22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
@Barb Wellman *WHo is that? Is he infallible Scriptures? Is he God? Why must i listen to him?*
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I think it would be best that you stop replying here and instead listen to the Word. David Suchet has both the Old & New Testament on TH-cam.
@Barb Wellman *But you have not proven R Church was that Church. So please prove. So far i only see claims.*
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As I've already shown from Scripture, He commissioned His Church with His authority to evangelize "feed and tend His sheep and lambs" through seven sacraments.
St. Paul was liturgical, sacramental and Eucharistic as was St. Peter, all the other Apostles and those they ordained.
The evidence is also secure in the Early Church and the writings of their bishops and martyrs. The Church continued to practice seven Sacraments.
@Barb Wellman *Remain unchallenged: 150+ verses say Jesus, Apostles and NT Church appealed to Scriptures Only for doctrines. Not once they took doctrines from traditions of Moses or Pharisees. This already proves Sola Scriptura.*
*Roman ctists love defying God and His Words.*
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If only most pastor agree with catholic we have unity and less division on our belief on the teachings
@Barb Wellman *Let's finish on the topic of Jesus' brothers first. The rest can wait.*
*So you claimed Jesus' brothers were Mary Cleopas children? Where is your proof? As you can see all the verses which your R ct apologists listed were already refuted.*
@Barb Wellman *- You are still misquoting Scriptures. John 3:5 says nothing about water baptism. Which part says water baptism?*
*- You are misquoting 1 Pet **3:21**. You totally missed out the word "symbolic, figure of speech, form, likeness". 1 Pet **3:21** does say water baptism is "symbolic".*
1 Peter 3:21
(ISV) Baptism, which is *symbolized* by that water, now saves you also, not by removing dirt from the body, but by asking God for a clear conscience based on the resurrection of Jesus, the Messiah,
(DRB) Whereunto baptism, being of the *like form* , now saveth you also: not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but, the examination of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
(Murdock) And ye also, by a *like figure* , are made alive by baptism, (not when ye wash your bodies from filth, but when ye confess God with a pure conscience,) and by the resurrection of Jesus the Messiah;
(ASV) which also after a true *likeness* doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ;
*- Acts 2:38? This has to do with English sentence structure.
- Example: go to the kitchen, open the drawer, take out the medicine, eat and be saved.
- In this example, only eating the medicine saves. The rest of the actions do not.
- Similarly Acts 2:38. Only believing in Jesus/ repentance saves. Nowhere says water baptism saves.*
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According to Scripture, which you apparently missed:
Christ speaking here:
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (John 3:5).
1 Peter 3:21
21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,....
Acts 2:
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off-for all whom the Lord our
Hehehe… “contempt prior to investigation”… most common attitude toward Catholicism.
Maybe the investigators are chosen ones?… 😇
@S Rich *Tales. Why do i need to prove something i did not say?*
*Jesus and Apostles called Scriptures Scriptures during their days. That suffices. Are you telling me Jesus and APostles were using uninspired Scriptures?*
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you havent shown where the church fathers were all in agreement of the 27 books of the NT PRIOR to the three councils.
@Barb Wellman *Tales. WHy dont you try counselling someone on your deathbed then pretend you are saved then?*
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Dismas (the penitent thief ) professed Christ, repented of his sins and performed works of mercy by correcting and counseling the other thief.
@Barb Wellman *Where in the Bible teach such nonsense of: "submit to Roman ct pope to be saved" and "devote to Mary to be saved"? Where?*
*Roman ct is full of man made tales.*
@Barb Wellman *Where in 1 John 5 says "intercessory prayer for saints released from their bodies who others know committed venial sin (sin that doesn't lead to death) is not excluded"?*
*Or "saints that Christ is pleased to and will grant absolution of punishment of venial sin (that other saints are seen committing or their acts of omitting) through the intercession of other saints."?*
*You are just quoting verses then using your m m narratives as doctrines? 1 John 5 does not say that.*
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1 John 5 does not exclude intercessory prayer for saints released from their bodies who others know committed venial sin (sin that doesn't lead to death).
1 John 5 assures saints that Christ is pleased to and will grant absolution of punishment of venial sin (that other saints are seen committing or their acts of omitting) through the intercession of other saints.
"13 I write this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
14 And this is the confidence which we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His Will He hears us.
15 And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of Him.
16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that.
17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal."
Christ is pleased that His saints offer intercessory prayer for those
souls undergoing purgation:
Luke 12:
47That servant who knows his Master’s will but does not get ready or follow His instructions will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded.
@Barb Wellman *This does not prove R Church = Jesus' CHurch. Next.*
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The Universal Church means it is One in doctrine. Both the Orthodox and the Catholics are liturgical and sacramental. Both have seven sacraments, both honor His Blessed Mother and His saints. Both ask faithful saints and angels to pray for saints on Earth. Both have a male priesthood.
@Barb Wellman *Jesus did not ordain any clergy priesthood. Neither did Jesus teach "saved by 7 sacraments".*
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Sacraments: Ordained male priesthood, Trinitarian Baptism, Reconciliation from sin, Eucharist, Confirmation / Chrismation, witnessing Marriage vows, Healing / Exorcism.
Christ, on Resurrection Sunday, walked through the walls of the Upper Room and commissioned His Apostolic Church with an authority that could only come from Himself:
John 20:
21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, even so I send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”