··· THIS IS WHAT MY NEIGHBOR'S HAM RADIO DOES TO OUR TVs! ··· INTERFERENCE ··•
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2015
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NOTE TO COMMENTERS: (EDIT)
The issue has been resolved now, but thanks for the suggestions! I never mentioned anything to him, so he seems to have done something on his own.
ALSO, there seem to be a few comments surrounding the tone of my post. I can see now that it came off a little harsh, but in no way was I angry with him, and especially not enough to start trouble. Our neighbours are amazing people and I can guarantee they didn't mean for us to experience this, and would have done their best to fix it, regardless of cost, had I asked. That's the kind of people they are. (Though none of that would have been necessary, as its fixed now!)
Also: we owned multiple devices that this was coming through on. All TVs in our house, except one, would get the interference, as well as some speakers connected to our computer. It wasn't just this specific tv.
Lastly, we were never able to make out the things that were being said - I recorded this time specifically because it was the clearest I had heard it so far. It's always just garbled language, and fuzzy, so much so that I can't actually tell what language they're speaking or if it's even a man or a woman most of the time. As well.... no, I was not purposely trying to listen in on their personal conversations, and I'd often turn the device right off and unplug it when it happened (it would come through with the volume off, and sometimes, like with our speakers, would come through while powered down. No idea about that one.)
Anyway, thanks for the suggestions guys, the issue is fixed and the garbled alien messages are no more. :)
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We get this ON A DAILY BASIS. It sounds like freakin aliens talking through our tv. It comes through EVERY TV in our house, every radio, and one computer (occasionally). Is there any law against this? It's getting very annoying but I love our neighbors.... Ugh. The tower they put up in their backyard (for the HAM radio) cost them a lot of money and I don't want to ask them to take it down, but we need this to STOP!···
**** PLEASE READ THE EDIT AT THE TOP, thank you.
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Your TV is a part 15 device, and aslong as the neighbor is putting out a clean signal within the power limits, which he almost certainly is, you have no recourse other than to buy some ferrite cores, or investigate where your coax may be allowing the stray signals in.
Part 15 devices must accept any interference but may not cause any. The only time the FCC would get upset is if your TV was messing with the signal of the licensed radio station. In addition, the FCC requires that Part 15 devices be operated in such a way that they not cause harmful interference. The operator of the Part 15 device is responsible for correcting the interference or to stop using the device if so ordered by the FCC. This can create a very difficult situation. Imagine that the neighbor of a ham goes to a local retail store and buys a Part 15 device. If the device causes harmful interference, the rules place the responsibility of proper operation and correction of the interference on the user. This can put a ham into the unenviable position of having to explain to a neighbor that the device he or she just bought at a local store is being used in violation of federal law
So, check your cables and snap some ferrite cores on the ends
As a Ham Op myself, I NEVER touch a neighbors equipment. No Ham should. Don't want the liability. You touch it you own it. Call a TV repair shop.
The problem is your television, not the radio operator. If it is older or cheap, then it will not have the filters necessary to reject RF interference. The FCC actually mandates that these devices reject this type of interference, but the mandates are not enforced. Manufactures cheap out and do not include the filtering. He will know how to fix it, so just politely tell him its causing an issue and he'll know what to do. Usually, a band-pass filter or chokes around power and speaker cables. Another thing to look for is open coax cables or splitters indoors or out. They can act like antennas and pick up the RF coming from his station.
+eviscero It's also the responsibility of the radio operator to resolve any and all RF interference. It could be as simple as a poor ground on his feed line, or some other malfunction in his equipment that he may not be aware of.
Nope, as long as he is not emitting out of band, the radio operator does not have to do a thing. However, the good ones will volunteer to help resolve issues.
In this case, since the cable signal is coming in clean, and the video on the screen is not being distorted, I will say the problem exists in their audio amplifier/speaker wires. A simple fix would be to use shielded speaker cable (Coaxial, with the outer jacket attached to the ground side of the speakers), and/or placing toroidal chokes where needed on the lines.
Your best bet would be to go to the ham, and nicely tell him that he is coming through your stereo system, and you would appreciate help in blocking his signal.
If he turns out to be a CBer, obviously he is running illegal power (more than 4 watts) and you have grounds for a complaint to the FCC. However, if he is a licensed ham, he is allowed up to 1500 watts, and that can sometimes present problems to your equipment without proper filtering and/or shielding.
Mostly true. It is not the responsibility of the radio operator to solve issues unrelated to his setup. Of course, given only if his/her station is properly setup. Cooperation is encouraged to foster good will between radio ops and people stuck with cheap unfiltered electronics, and most hams will happily help be a good neighbor, so long as you ask nicely.
eviscero it was actually happening with multiple devices, not just this tv.
Zaphod Breeblebrox 1,500 watts P.E.P. here in the U.S., but I think the O.P. is in Canada where the limit is even higher: 2.25kW!
Definitely alert your neighbor... he'll be able to help resolve the situation!
As others have said...talk to your neighbor. From a purely legal standpoint, this is actually YOUR problem because your TV is supposed to reject any outside interference. If he has a ham radio license, he has every right to transmit up to legal power which is 1500 watts on almost all ham frequencies.
Talk to him and see if he can help you out by adding some filters to your TV.
Again...be nice.
Good luck.
1,500 watts PEP in the U.S..
The laws protect the ham from your TV; but they don't protect your TV from the ham. Talk with the guy; allow him to assist in solving the problem. Chances are he'll come over and do some things that will take care of it. Don't expect him to shell out the money for the fix; he's under no legal obligation to do so...it shouldn't be that expensive of a fix. The biggest issue are people who think their TV is somehow "protected" from ham interference and demand the ham operator spend the money to fix the problem. They're under ZERO legal obligation to do so. As long as they are operating within their license allocations; the FCC rules are very clear that he has to do nothing. But most hams; if you approach them nicely; will gladly assist and sometimes even supply the small ferrite cores or even fix faulty wiring that could cause this.
If you get nasty, make deamands, and threaten to have him shut down; you will likely be greeted with copies of FCC regulations and a slammed door; and no matter how much you complain or attempt legal action; he's in the clear. He's a federally licensed radio operator; your TV is an unlicensed device.
Jay Moore just wanted to mention to you here (as I said in other comments before as well) but this was happening on multiple devices in our home. I'm sure we weren't the only ones in the neighbourhood experiencing it, lol.
Also, I would never get nasty or rude with our neighbours. They're wonderful people, and I was just frustrated that I couldn't watch tv anywhere in the house, and it sometimes even came through on our speaker system from our computer. I totally understand this was not his fault or intention and if necessary I would have just let him know, politely, in case any one else was having problems. I don't like to start trouble.
Also, -I- personally never said a thing to them about it, but the problem seems to be resolved now... so either someone else complained and he fixed the issue, or he was a relative newbie and figured out what he needed to do along the way. Haven't heard a peep since.
Thanks for the comment!
You need to tell him
If there is cable service or satellite TV, then there is likely a problem with the cabling to the TV shielding.
It's your problem not his legally and under FCC rules. But he will most likely work with you if you ask him.
Not unless he's operating out of specifications. His signal needs to meet spectral purity standards.
Have you told your neighbour about this? What makes you think it's his radio? Maybe he can attune the interference.
As others have said, talk with your neighbor. It will be far more effective than complaining on social media.
You probably have your tv's hooked up via coax cables. Somewhere (could be multiple places) you've got a connector or a break in the shielding allowing the radio in. If your neighbor is nice maybe they will help you fix it. If not your going to need someone qualified to repair the lines in your house.
Any good ham will know how to fix this. You need some filtering on your televisions and other equipment, just let him know what is going on and he will be able to help you. Also, you said they put up a big tower, I would say chances are they are running some power too.
Def your tv
Go talk to him. Easy fix
You need to get filters. Call the manufacturer of every piece of equipment interfered with. By law, they must send you free filters. Consumer equipment is garbage when it comes to interference.
Generally the radioamateurs or "ham" radio help in solving problems. Talk kindly with your neighboor and i am sure that the problem will be solved.
-80% problems is caused by TV signal amplifiers not filtered and amplify very wide BOTH radio amateur and tv signals...In this case you receive TV and Ham radio signals, in your case SSB signals.(You can heard speaking like a duck, hi)
-20% rest are caused by non-or defective shielded cables... and also by external speakers with long cables....etc
Dont worry, talk.
Regards from EA5OM ham radio from Spain. ;-)
Pepe Oliver don't worry, I was never angry with them, as they're amazing people. In any case, it happened on multiple devices, and the problem is actually now resolved. Thanks for the support :)
It is not the radio amateur at fault, it is your televison. I do not know what brand your TV is but it is obviously not very good. I would recommend a Sony Bravia, they do not pick up ham radio signals.
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I know this is an old video, but did you even try asking your neighbor about it? Provided you are not a Karen about it, most hams are nice. Also, legally, it's more on your end as your TV has to meet FCC Part 15 compliance. However, most hams, if informed about it, will do things on their end to help out with any potential interference.
Let me give you an insight, under FCC rules and regulations PART 15 cannot TV cause a licensed service such as HAM RADIO but you are subject to interference. Read the FCC plaque on the back of your TV.
Add a ferret chock to the tv to stop it. As a ham operator he should be able to help.
As a radio operator myself, I would want to know and help out.
what ferrite MIX would you use on the tv coax
I have a 500 watt radio 😛😎
@Gucci Fish cb two way radio.
@Gucci Fish its on 3 572b tubes and its actually 1300 watts. I made lots of DX on it on 27.385 lsb.
Its your problem, not the ham operators problem.
Ferrite choke
Perhaps he doesn't give a toss, because of what your plasma TV does to his radio..
Plug cable box to av input it won't happen the reason it happens because he on same frequency that channel 3 is on
This isn't the ham guys fault, this is the result of poor RF filtering by the TV manufacturers. You get what you pay for, probably a cheap chinese made tv
what town is this?
Why do you have that old a$$ tv? Lol 1997 a$$ tv
What you’re hearing is voice inversion scrambling which is common in Ham radio, police and fire and sometimes department stores, now I have a feeling considering this is an older video that the problem has been resolved but like others have said it could be your tv doesn’t have the proper filters or it could be the Coax wire
Scrambling is not allowed in amateur radio. 47 CFR 97.113(a)(4)
I had the same problem. Notice how all the ham radio and CB operators want to blame you for the failures of their own equipment.
For anybody else who has this problem, the thing to do is talk to all your neighbors and see how many other people are affected. It's easy to get the idiot's ham license revoked if he has one, or if he's operating a cb, then have him charged with illegal noise violation when several different people in their neighborhood are all saying the same thing.
Don't let any of these jerks tell you that they're not responsible because in reality their stupid little hobby can absolutely be shut down.
1. Don't lump Hams and CB Radio users in the same group. Hams are licensed and use different modes and bands. CB operators are unlicensed and have one band.
2. Hams are held accountable by the fact we have call signs which are assigned by the FCC. CB Operators have no such thing.
3. Would you believe hams receive way more interference from devices that don't meet the FCC's Part 15 requirements? These same devices that do not meet the requirements are susceptible to receiving interference as well. The FCC does not require companies to submit devices for testing, they go strictly off data sheets.
In summary, just because your illegal devices are accepting interference does not give you the right to throw a fit and point fingers when you have no clue what you are talking about. Especially when you say our hobby can be shut down. Do you really think the FCC is going to kill amatuer radio over your device that does not meet their standards? I'm guessing you're not very technical? Here's some light reading: www.arrl.org/part-15-radio-frequency-devices#Myths
psst.... learn a bit of FCC regulations and it has NOTHING to do with HAM OR CB. PART 15 DEVICES such as TV's ARE SUBJECT to interence! BUT can not cause interence to a LICENSED SERVICE!!!!!! and most of the consumer electronics products "inexpensive ones" are cheaply made....... Oh and by the way dummy, most cable providers use CHEAP coax cables for their end users. If you had the same problem I'll bet it was due to a CHEAP TV or a bad install or even a bad coax connector. What do I know...... I'm a electronics and communication engineer and I work as the AM/FM and TV broadcast engineer for a few broadcast facilities.
Jasper, how did you solve your problem? Were you able to shut down the ham operator?
I just became a ham radio Operator. I suggest most hams should put Low pass filters between their antennas and transceiver radios to block any interference to TVs, telephones, and stereos so the operator can enjoy the hobby while keeping the neighbors happy. I learned this on the ham radio study guide and passed it on the exam. I would put a low pass filter on my antenna and transceiver just to be safe. Ham radio is a very fun hobby
This is highly intrusive. Did you ever resolve it? Even if equipment is FCC compliant, the amateur radio operator may need to (or should feel obliged to) take steps to help eliminate the interference. Television receivers sold in North America do not have to pass any RF immunity tests as they do in Europe. So most TVs are likely pretty susceptible to intentional radiators like a nearby transmitter.
Having a perfectly compliant transmitter is not the end of the story. A few ferrite cores on your cables are unlikely to solve the problem if the RF field strength is high. If your neighbor has a big tower antenna he's probably also running lots of transmit power too, and likely more than he really needs to. I often remind my fellow hams that they should only run power necessary for a reliable contact. If 10 watts will do, not 1000 watts, then turn down the power!
If he cannot solve your problem for you, then I suggest you write a letter to the FCC, and ask your neighbors if they suffer same radio interference. Get a petition going as a last resort. There are two sides to this, and it's not your problem to fix.
Actually, you are completely and utterly wrong. If the amateur operator (as many, MANY other commenters have pointed out -- guess you didn't bother to read them) is operating within his restrictions, he is under absolutely ZERO obligation to take ANY action WHATSOEVER. Of course, any self-respecting amateur would immediately take steps to fix the problem, but "getting a petition going as a last resort" would do nothing but really irritate and annoy *everyone* involved.
under PART15 it is the TV owners problem to FIX! RFI comes from a lot of factors even a simple bad TV coax connector.
100% his problem to fix.. Part 15 devices have to accept any interference they receive. The FCC would more than likely take no action at all, and if they did, it would be to ensure that this person's cheap, un-shielded electronics were not causing any interference to the licensed radio operator.
Sorry about your luck.
This operator could be using illegal power amplifiers also or on the CB band also. If you on Cable or Satellite TV this should not happen. You could ask him about it & see. If he one of those idiots that wont listen to you then only thing you can do is call police report it & take next step will be feds & they will call FCC as well as you can also contact them. Lately FCC doesn't help as they never have enough money or man power to do this. But if you keep complaining eventually you will be helped but may take over a year or more.
I just.. I can't even deal with the stupidity in your comment. Take five minutes out of your life (I know - learning new things is hard and it should be served to you on a silver platter) and go read about amateur radio and how the Part 15 regulations work.
I have this SAME problem.... ONLY differences are:
I live In Canada (no FCC or authority willing to help)
My neighbor listens in on my computer/PC audio (Facetime, Netflix, Porn, etc.) and he seems to relay MY private audio to other listeners of his broadcast.
My neighbor is a creepy guy (60+ yrs old, lives in basement with mom, no job, only shortwave ham radio all day) and will not work with me to fix the issue.
Any advice? Especially considering he listens in.....
How does your neighbor hear your PC audio? I'm not aware of any way that your PC audio is going to show up on his receiving gear. Perhaps he can simply hear you with his ears. If so, you might want to turn down the porn volume.