@Edysin Simon Or put in the I-6 and same manual gearbox, and tie that into the transfercase.... I have an Isuzu Rodeo that has the 4h, 4L, N, 2H transfer case.. and a 5spd trans... Its SO fun to drive.. 285k miles--- I love this thing.
I went with the TRD Off Road. I am told that they put so much extra equipment on the Pro that it actually makes it harder to modify, particularly that KDSS system.
Great video. Yes, the 4Runner is outdated, but there is reason sales stay strong despite these shortcomings. There are few true SUVs to choose from that will last you 20 years with just basic maintenance. I'm at 250k miles on my 2006 4Runner with no major repairs and no signs of wearing out anytime soon. The drive train is fundamentally unchanged since 2003, but that has positive points as well. There is a wealth of parts and online resources available. If I were shopping for a new vehicle, I would pull the trigger again on a new 4Runner, no question despite being outdated. UPDATE: I wrote this before viewing the last few minutes of this video, where Alex outlines some of the points I made. That's why this is my favorite car review channel.
The 4Runner is in the same league as the Land Cruiser with similar reliability and build quality. Fuel economy, comfort, modernity, be damned. Many of the vehicles noted in comparison are traded in after a few years as they become money pits, while 4Runners become somewhat heirlooms much like Land Cruisers. I bought a 4Runner with the intention of giving it to my 6 year old son to drive to college.
@@evz1244 Assuming the average miles per year driven of 12,000 miles and a $4 per gallon gas price, the more modern Grand Cherokee that Alex mentioned would only save $20 per month, which is a small price to pay for vastly superior reliability. 2020 4Runner w/ 18 mpg combined & Grand Cherokee with 21 mpg combined. If you are talking about hybrid SUVs, like the Ford Explorer hybrid, then you might save $50, which is significant until you factor in the price of the 4Runner and lower repair costs spread out over its potential lifetime.
@@evz1244 Folks have speculated that gas prices would be high, gas would run out, etc. forever, but look where we are. Production capacity far exceeds current demand and that's not changing for many years.
You can have cutting edge technology or you can have reliability. But you really can't have both. In order to prove reliable, it must be "old." So people like throwing the word old around Toyota trucks.
You can have both to a certain extent. Look at new RAV4 gas or hybrid. Toyota spends years refining and testing new models before releasing. And they often use proven engines/transmissions/safety tech to maximize that reliability.
I bought this TRD Pro in Army Green for my wife for Christmas in 2019-she absolutely loves it! She wanted the Army Green, which was hard to get, but I found one. It’s not a a speed demon but it’s practical and most of all dependable.
@@ShyamRonline would you pay 65K for gas over the ownership, or would you pay less for fuel but lower reliability and more for things to break and end up going to the dealership to fix it and waste a lot of time and in some cases not having your car for some time?
If I had to have one vehicle, for the rest of my life, and I had to make it work for another 50-60 years, the mighty 4Runner is definitely my first pick
This suv is a mission specific truck. To be parked and used full time in rural environments that don’t have easy access to dealerships and advanced auto mechanic shops. And it does do well in those settings (see LatAm, Africa and Middle East) would I use as a daily in the burbs? Hell no. But for the lag cabin or off beaten areas? Hell yes
Yes the idea is that you take it anywhere and it doesn't break on you. And if it ever does, it's not too complicated to fix, considering it's not too technologically advanced like a BMW.
New owner of a 2020 4Runner Venture myself, and I specifically bought the 5th gen because of the engine/transmission. If you’re not in a big hurry I find the fewer shifts and taller gears a smoother and more comfortable drive around town. And off-road you’re usually only ever in 1st-3rd gears anyway. Having had transmissions with more gears in other cars I prefer the old school feel of the 5 speed. Call me crazy.
Call me crazy but after a couple months I prefer the ECVT in my 2019 RAV4 hybrid XSE. Not kidding! No gear hunting and always at peak torque. So smooth, especially in highway.
Love the 4Runner but would like to see a more efficient engine, updated interior (especially infotainment and cluster), 8 speed transmission, Toyotas Safetysense 2.0 (standard on new Toyotas) and a hybrid option around 300 hp and 28ish mpg.
Also, honestly, I don't think the 4Runner feels that old inside with the new infotainment system. Honestly I'd say, give it a newer transfer case with a better crawl ratio and a more modern transmission and leave everything else alone.
@@MichaelMiller-rg6or I don't think it feels old either...it just feels like a truck. Love the simplicity and not having to dive into a menu to adjust the cabin temp ect...smh I have no patience for that.
I’ve been rocking my 2014 SR5 since new. It still drives on and off rd like the day I drove it off the lot. Only needing tires and fluid changes-now at 117,000 miles. Hold onto yours right through the warranty ending and paying it off. You won’t regret it
Grand cherokee, I own one, I picked it over the 4Runner and they are great, but, having 4wheeled it and spent some time underneath it, it really is not in the same category. Even with the skids it’s fragile under there with exposed low hanging sheet metal boxes for the battery and computer, exposed plastic transmission pan and a very exposed wire harness on nearly the lowest point-first thing you drag when cresting a hill.
ZFs don't have plastic trans pans(and are shielded if you have the proper off-road package). You also get nearly 11" of ground clearance with air suspension. Then there is the matter of daily driving the 4Runner, which is a chore to say the least. BUT the 4Runners resale and reliability are huge pluses.
@@hellkitty1014 the problem we found (Trail Hawk) with the GC is at off road II there is little to no suspension travel. Beat the hell out of us on the trail. In off road I it was better. For everyday driving the GC was nice.
@@hellkitty1014 I wish this was true but on my v8 2018, it’s not. Aftermarket does make a trans skidplate but factory trailhawk does not have it. Just a skid under the diff, t-case and fuel tanks. Mine does have a plastic tray under the transmission. www.jeepgarage.org/threads/trailhawk-skid-plate-pics.221118/
I own a 2000 4runner, since new, with 215K miles on it. Runs great, does not leak or burn oil. Has only needed general maintenance. Changed the oil every 5K miles since new. They are designed to last for 300K miles, built in the same factory as the Land Cruiser. Toyota's philosophy on design is evolution, not revolution. That works for me.
I was under the impression they came from the same factory as the big Land Cruiser and Lexus LX but that is not actually true. The 4Runner is built alongside the Lexus GX and Prado in a different plant.
2:25 “The advantage is going to be ruggedness and the ability to swap out the frame if you wanted to aftermarket. So, there are a few companies out there that will give you truly rugged, heavy duty frames.” What company offers an aftermarket frame for the 4Runner or any other Toyota? I’ve never heard of someone swapping out their frame for an aftermarket one.
Alex, I am glad you showed a photo of the upcoming 2 door Bronco and that chart with the lonesome 2 door Wrangler all by itself. They were a timely reminder of the NEED for Toyota to get back in the 2 door 4X4 game.
@@brodiwheeler7583 There may be more to that than you think. Currently Toyota is building RAV4 Hybrids in one plant which get re-badged as the Suzuki Across. Meanwhile their English factory is changing the grill on Corolla Hybrid WAGONS and calling them the Suzuki Swace. Weirdly, India and Africa get Suzukis re-badged as Toyotas. A Jimny with a Toyota drivetrain or a pure Toyota the size of a Jimny has a lot of potential but they would be a lot smaller than the Bronco and Wrangler. The Toyota ready to go head to head in this category immediately is the 2 door Prado already built on the same assembly lines as the 4Runner and Lexus GX.
@@rightlanehog3151 I am hoping there is more to that than I may think... that’s why I said it. I want one. I know that the Prado is more in the size class of off-roaders like the Bronco & Wrangler... But if we’re dreaming of Yotas that are made in other markets... I’d go with the 70 Series LC before Prado. Unfortunately I think Toyota only has room for one purpose built Off-Roader in their lineup right now due to CAFE regs. Though I surely would buy one if they offered another in addition to the Runner.
@@brodiwheeler7583 Everything about the FJ idea was virtually perfect. Toyota wanted to offer a CHEAPER 4X4 alternative to the 4Runner in automatic and MANUAL with some retro cues. Sadly, the overwrought FJ design and awful visibility just did not do it. Give the 2 door Prado a two tone paint job, call it the 'Land Cruiser Classic' then sell it for FJ prices and you have a classically-styled sales winner. In regard to the 70 Series, if it meets modern crash and emission standards, send it over as well. Lastly, if commuters buy Toyota Hybrids instead of regular versions, CAFE goals will be met just fine.
You would not need it if you stopped playing with your phone and infotainment system. I bought the 2019 model because it did not have that additional electronic garbage, and it came in the best color ever, Voodoo Blue. I like vehicles that have minimal additional features. A first gen Miata, A Scion XB WS(now my kids but running strong after 16 years) and this 4runner. Vehicle and driver, little else. Japanese mainland manufactured vehicles are excellent.
americans : the 4 runner is old and outdated we want something modern. toyota : electrics break all the time you will regret it amercans goes out and buys a vehicle with electric everything and very modern americans: all the electrics on my vehicle breaks and constantly needs bringing back to the dealer to get repaired toyota : the words " i told you so " comes to mind
Unless you intend to keep it forever, I disagree with your idea of buying a lower trim level and then spending $10K to add a suite of offroad upgrades. The TRD Pro has phenomenal resale value, with almost zero depreciation over 3-5 years. Not impossible, but not likely either that would apply to your one-off, modded 4Runner.
4runners are keepers, last summer there where deals on new 4runners wish should of bought one msrp under $40k a base trd off road there where some rebates to ,if you sale it ,you will for ever wish id kept it , I had a 92 4cy 4x4 pu wish I still had it, but my 95 grand Cherokee 4.0 is still running strong 215k did buy a new tacoma 4wd sr v6 sx does fine for me weekend only use
Alex, The unmatched level of #reliability that this 4Runner offers will never go out of style. As soon as the next 4Runner arrives, there will be widespread weeping and wailing at the classic elements which were lost with the redesign. Hopefully a manual 4Runner comes back some day.
I would argue however that little would be lost by Toyota stealing a small V8 from Lexus and using their existing 8 speed auto. That would make it much more modern. Also, little would be lost by a dashboard re-design
@@AAutoBuyersGuide What a rare thrill and honour (English spelling) to earn a direct response from the man himself. Naturally, I agree with your assertion as long as that 4.6 is tuned for Regular not Premium. I would also reiterate that the 6 speed manual from the Tacoma should be added to the options list as well. Sadly, I cannot concur with your opinion that Toyota's generic 3.5 V6 is a superior truck engine to the 4.0. BTW why does no one ever mention the 4Runner with the 2.7? Have a great weekend and stay safe out there.
If they dropped a small v8 and an 8 speed into the next 4Runner like Alex said I’ll be at the dealership ready to buy lol. As much as I love the 4Runner the motor and tranny just don’t cut it for me esp when towing a 3k to 4K pound trailers in colorado. I’m with everything else on it being “old school” but the engine and transmission desperately need an update.
If I were buying a Rav4. Small ”bobo”. Waiting for my 2021 Venture Edition.... Being delivered this week. My 70th birthday present to myself. Great review Alex.
After the mess of putting the 3.5 in the Tacoma I think Toyota decided to leave the 4R alone. Gaining 1 or 2 mpg is not worth slapping in the 8 speed. Sales are strong for such an old truck. Something to be said about simplicity.
Meanwhile, over on TFL they bought a new Land Rover Defender to build into the "ultimate overlander". It's been at the dealership for most of October with various electronic gremlins. They should've started with one of these.
I just purchased a 2020 TRD-Offroad. We stopped it against the Grand Cherokee. No comparison other than the length, width, and seating (4 runner 3rd row is not really usable for adults). Bottom line. If you want a Mall crawler, go GC. If you want a very comfortable on-road and off-road rig? 4 runner. We shopped for a year (to get the right price, rented vehicles for a week to see what we wanted, compared friends rigs for our desired off-road setup, etc). But, we ended up with he 2020 4 runner. It doesn't have all the bullshit electronics/tech that breaks on the jeep. For starters.
Agree with you I would get an off-road instead of pro. I don’t understand the value: basically shocks and exhaust and a lot superfluous items for $7400 more than the offroad premium- and even more real world as dealers usually hold fast to MSRP on them. For some reason the resale value almost justifies the cost though.
@Dave InMSP Yup it’s just a preference. And the SofTex can be had on the TRD Off-Road Premium without needing to go to the PRO just for posterity’s sake. Enjoy Your Runner! 🤙🏼
Let me interject here for one moment. The dinosaurs are extinct. Also, mine is only 5 years old. They don't have to redesign it for another 15 years. Thank you.
@@James-il3tq Unbelievably I think it's going to be a '23 now. I'm happy to have gotten in right before the price creep started as they began adding tech stuff. I'm just one of those people who is perfectly happy to continue turning a key and paying attention while driving.
@@fallguy4209 if it's falling behind the competition, it's broken. 5 speed transmission? C'mon, man. That's ridiculous in this day and age. Might as well come with a tape deck.
@@tri3pleagent My 10 speed auto is pretty clunky at times and thanks to it trying to be economical all the time, it makes my engine lug during around town driving. State of the art isn't always better than tried and true.
@@normcheers1726 doesn't have to be a 10 speed. My point is there are more powerful AND efficient powertrains in the class right now. If Toyota is okay with good enough, so be it. But natural selection never fails to select.
The big mechanical difference between the SR5 and the TRD version is the Crawl Control system, not KDSS. KDSS is just a stabilizer. Crawl Control is a computer controlled locking rear differential, which is much cooler and more useful. It makes the 4Runner way better in 4WD for hard-core users. I bought an SR5 because I don't expect to ever have a need for anything more than the standard 4WD and its much cheaper.
Redesign yes but they must be careful to retain its looks, offroading capabilities, reliability while adding a more fuel efficient engine, 8 speed transmission, updated tech, safety features and a hybrid option (every new model to have hybrids as per Toyota by 2025).
That transmission is dated but super reliable so I'm glad it's in there...reliability rules ! When you are in hilly terrain just over-ride the auto and use the shifter. Left out details like seat fabric and much more that come on premium. Gotta dot your i's and cross your T's because a lot of info missing on the packages. Only reason I know is i researched it on the Company website.
The Bronco Sport is a re-badged Escape, and the Big Bronco is still vapor-ware at this point. And, if it's reliability is anything like the Explorer ... well, enjoy the shop.
I have a 2007 v8 Limited... every year I look to see if there is a reason to 'upgrade'... yet to see a year that was worth upgrading. Nothing changed for 2020.
@@SimplyLewin Very close, I am sure someday somebody will do a PHD thesis delineating all the Prado variants across the world. BTW I should have been more specific in my first comment as there is a Kakadu and Kakadu Horizon to go along with the GX, GXL and VX . Those are just the Australian variations. Naturally, my favourites are the bare bones versions sold outside Australia with manual transmissions, 2.7 4 cylinder gasoline engines and either 2 or 4 doors. You can get those in South America or Asia. :-)
I have owned 20+ cars over 35 years. No, it’s not the overall best vehicle, but it’s one of the best built vehicles out of all time. Something about the simplicity and legacy technology that makes it so reliable. Resale value pays for some of the gas. 😅
Great review, have a 2017 SR5. Love it, except the gas mileage. 6 or 8 speed transmission would help the engine. Thought about the Jeep GC, but needed more cargo room, and I wanted the reliability. Kinda wish I went with the limited for the all wheel drive system since I spend a lot of time in the Sierras. But the Bronco looks tempting, I'll be checking out the 2022 model!
Have a 2019 ORP, it came from the dealer as an "Overland Sema Build." Drove it for a few years, beat the ever living eff out of it. Yet, now the thing squeaks, there is a metallic clunk up front, wobble, and steering issues; Luckily Hyundai dealership down the street is offering me $44,500.00 for my ORP. I can't go wrong in this market, it was great off-roading, but at the same time; Work has me... Working, and saving for a house plus falling into a new Hyundai Santa Fe Calligraphy seems like a nice trade. I'll be back, and I think I'm getting out of it at a good time, considering the 6th generation is about to drop (Summer) which means all current 5th gens, while not by much, will lose that lovely sales value.
The only thing that Toyota needs to add is a six to eight speed transmission for fuel economy during highway miles. Other than that, I love my 2019 Voodoo blue TRD Pro!
Yeah I love my Voodoo Blue 4Runner. It was funny both me and my wife came home and said we both loved that blue 4 Runner out of the blue, a few months later we bought one. Neither one of us let on that we were interested in buying one.
Sales don't lie! 4Runner sales have been increasing in recent years. Why? No one will argue that reliability and off-road competency are top-of-mind with buyers. For the masses, Toyota has the Highlander. I see this video as somewhat genuine and somewhat clickbait for its negative commentary. My '13 Limited has been flawless.
On balance I think Alex is diplomatic and reasonable He certainly acknowledges Toyota leads everyone in QDR . Enjoy your 2013, it should be solid for the next 15 years.
Owning a 4Runner is like a marriage, in it for the long haul and what a virtuous woman she is. The luster may fade but her not her strengths. Sorry, getting emotional just thinking about it, need to step away and hug my Toyota.
@@EchoSigma6 I never actually hug my 'Toyota' but I do 'treat' it to the best oil and lubricants on the market, take it to Krown rustproofing once a year to keep the nasty effects of road salt at bay, slather a nice coat of paste wax over its body once a year and park it safely in a cozy garage every night.
Great review - as usual. I have a Bronco reserved but almost got a 4Runner to avoid the wait. The price kept me from pulling the trigger. 4Runner value seems to be strongly in buying used as it hasn’t changed for a decade. It is comfortable but sub-par at this price level.
they better hurry with that redesign, these new broncos look amazing yea not same Japanese quality but man are they great looking. I think the new bronco will trend all suvs to be more rugged. yes im looking at you chevy blazer
I had a Toyota Sienna for 15 years and 325000 miles with almost no issues. I had a Jeep wrangler for 3 years and 40000 miles and something seemed to fall apart or break every 3 months. And I leased a Grand Cherokee Summit for 3 years and had the power steering pump blow up, as well as electrical issues. So when I went to get a new SUV earlier this year that was under $60k and had plenty of off-road prowess and was durable, guess what I bought? Hint: it wasn't a Jeep. IMO, after having two jeeps, I think they're hugely disappointing, especially after 3-5 years from new. Everything rattles, the interiors look shoddy (the GC summit being an exception), mechanically you feel they're one turn away from catastrophe, etc. And man, they're awesome when you get them off the street, but I wouldn't rely on one anymore. And that's ok, because I think most people lease or finance them anyway and get rid of them when the warranty is up.
Embarrassing that Toyota still uses an antique 5 speed automatic. Especially for that price level. Such a transmission belongs in a museum. Hope the 4Runner gets a nice 8 speed asap.
I recently bought mine and could care less. I didn't want a thing to change. Why would you change what performs so well. I could care less about fuel mileage. I drive under 12K a year. That 4Runneer will last for the rest of my life. Cant say that about Jeep after the turn of the century and Ford has yet to establish any positive reputation in the 4wd off road SUV market. Currently Tacoma's rule over Fords offerings.
Alex please please start putting the car into reverse so we can see how the back up camera quality is, whether the car has 360 or not, I just don’t understand why you don’t show the back up camera??
The engine is better than the new 3.5 liter which is exactly why they have kept it. The transmission is a pain in the mountains especially. They are selling ,ore than ever and it's because this and a Wrangler have been all there is. Also TRD Premium is the buy. Need the Leatherette and the heated seats
The 4runner is a true SUV. Jeep, Ford, etc. don't make their SUVs anymore. And I say this as 13 year long owner of a 2003 Jeep Grand Cherokee. You should really look into overlanding. It explains that sliding drawer well
I’ve seen people buy a Passport, then a year later take a big loss on trading/selling it a year later when they realized they needed the capability of a proper 4WD system.
Passport has excellent IVT-4 AWD but not made for off-roading. The low profile factory tires scream pavement princess 👸Still a nice SUV but not a direct competitors to 4Runner.
u have took one year , i used my apple watch using hearing noise test app and got 62 dB , no idea how you getting 72dB , and i can tell 72dB is alot this 4runner is pretty quite, only crazy drone noise from back , steering wheel sucks very very sensitive and u have to move little bit all the time to keep this truck in the line , toyota must add electric steering , anyway late review but good ..
Doesn't have frame rust issued as much as it's the first major component of to go with the other parts lasting forever. Get it rust proofed and wash underside often.
Hey Alex, is there anyway of you finding OUT or explaining why we cant get the Mitsubishi Montero Sport here in the U.S. ? It is technically where the 4 runner should be at here in U.S. tech-wise.
Another nice review! Really like your comprehensive spec and comparison!! Since you already test the noise level, would you also be able to test mic quality for in car Bluetooth phone calls?
A used GX460 gets better gas mileage even with a V8, because of the 6spd. It's sad that they chose to not update the transmission in the 4Runner. Just got a 2014 GX and the ride is way more comfortable, and you can add Crawl Control/Multi terrain select for ~$500 in OEM parts easily.
The gx is built by toyota on the same platform as the 4runner, they clearly know what they're doing and chose to make more money and not invest in upgrading the engine/trans of the 4runner. Just saying the gx is more value for the money
@Robert Blackford of course that's why they put the V6 with 100 lb ft less torque on the "stronger" transmission, and gave it a lower 4Lo first gear ratio than a GX. I didn't know you were a toyota engineer, now it all makes sense. thanks for explaining
@Robert Blackford yeah, you're so smart! can't even detect the sarcasm, or what I was talking about. Do some research on which car has a more powerful engine/stronger transmission, and what gear ratios are used on the transfer case, diff and the transmission, maybe you'll get what I said.
@Robert Blackford I drove my 2014 gx on the same loop that I did a test drive of a 2020 limited 4runner before i bought the gx. 4runner averaged 16mpg, and the gx got 17mpg. Also if you look at fuelly.com for both the 4runner and lexus, they are both around 18mpg. My mistake on the torque difference of 100, I was looking at the dyno chart for a 4runner, and used the official numbers on lexus as I couldn't find a chart for it. Either way the lexus is atleast ~55 lb ft strronger engine, so can you explain how you came up with the theory that 4Runner transmission would be 'stronger'? I'll enjoy my car, the v8 is more fun, gets better mpg from my limited testing. Enjoy your 4runner or whatever you're trying to defend.
Love ya Alex, my one gripe with your thorough reviews is the scale, towards the size of vehicles. I find this information very useful however how you present it is not useful. For instance, in this review it appears like the 4runner is about 30% bigger than a Grand Cherokee, or more than twice as big as a 2dr. Wrangler. I don't believe that would be accurate, but presents that way on the scale, without having any kind of reference. for instance, the left side of the scale is 80 in wheelbase the right side is 120in. I hope that makes sense.
@@rightlanehog3151 I think if you look at it it's a size scale. It sometimes says smaller and bigger, again a vehicle on the smaller side compared to bigger is not actually twice the size. If he doesn't meannitbto be then it has no real purpose but with his thoroughness of everything I can't beleive that to be true.
In an alternate universe they gave this a better transmission without changing anything else, and it gets 23mpg on the highway about like the 6cyl Grand Cherokee. Shame that transmission never made it to our world.
Sorry for the typo. Obviously this is a V6, not an I6. LOL
This mistake is beyond forgivable..
Bummer!
V8 power baby
24:55 .... Obviously you didn't mean Rav 4.
@Edysin Simon Or put in the I-6 and same manual gearbox, and tie that into the transfercase.... I have an Isuzu Rodeo that has the 4h, 4L, N, 2H transfer case.. and a 5spd trans... Its SO fun to drive.. 285k miles--- I love this thing.
The old school body on frame and the bullet proof drivetrain is why I bought my 20 Pro !
I went with the TRD Off Road. I am told that they put so much extra equipment on the Pro that it actually makes it harder to modify, particularly that KDSS system.
I currently drive Nissan Frontier Pro4X...and after a long research, I think Toyota 4Runner is the best SUV in the market.
@MysteriousOklahoma Xterra Pro-4X was an awesome SUV. You can abuse it, bang it, roll it, and it would still deliver till the end.
It’s probably one of the best vehicles ever built. I don’t have one yet but will definitely get this model once new model comes out
Great video. Yes, the 4Runner is outdated, but there is reason sales stay strong despite these shortcomings. There are few true SUVs to choose from that will last you 20 years with just basic maintenance. I'm at 250k miles on my 2006 4Runner with no major repairs and no signs of wearing out anytime soon.
The drive train is fundamentally unchanged since 2003, but that has positive points as well. There is a wealth of parts and online resources available.
If I were shopping for a new vehicle, I would pull the trigger again on a new 4Runner, no question despite being outdated.
UPDATE: I wrote this before viewing the last few minutes of this video, where Alex outlines some of the points I made. That's why this is my favorite car review channel.
The 4Runner is in the same league as the Land Cruiser with similar reliability and build quality. Fuel economy, comfort, modernity, be damned. Many of the vehicles noted in comparison are traded in after a few years as they become money pits, while 4Runners become somewhat heirlooms much like Land Cruisers. I bought a 4Runner with the intention of giving it to my 6 year old son to drive to college.
By that point gas will probably be really expensive and the 4Runner is sadly a gas pig
@@evz1244 Assuming the average miles per year driven of 12,000 miles and a $4 per gallon gas price, the more modern Grand Cherokee that Alex mentioned would only save $20 per month, which is a small price to pay for vastly superior reliability. 2020 4Runner w/ 18 mpg combined & Grand Cherokee with 21 mpg combined. If you are talking about hybrid SUVs, like the Ford Explorer hybrid, then you might save $50, which is significant until you factor in the price of the 4Runner and lower repair costs spread out over its potential lifetime.
@@RichardWylie68 @Richard Rice All factor in resale value which is insanely high in 4Runners
@@evz1244 Folks have speculated that gas prices would be high, gas would run out, etc. forever, but look where we are. Production capacity far exceeds current demand and that's not changing for many years.
Its built for the off road, not to take corners fast or beat other vehicles off the line.
You can have cutting edge technology or you can have reliability. But you really can't have both. In order to prove reliable, it must be "old." So people like throwing the word old around Toyota trucks.
You can have both to a certain extent. Look at new RAV4 gas or hybrid. Toyota spends years refining and testing new models before releasing. And they often use proven engines/transmissions/safety tech to maximize that reliability.
2019 RAV4 definitely took a hit in reliability, and current gen tacomas are know for having transmission issues.
I bought this TRD Pro in Army Green for my wife for Christmas in 2019-she absolutely loves it! She wanted the Army Green, which was hard to get, but I found one. It’s not a a speed demon but it’s practical and most of all dependable.
255,000 miles on my 4th gen. Leaks nothing, runs great, gets the same or better mpg than new. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned.
That's like $65k on gas - wow
@@ShyamRonline would you pay 65K for gas over the ownership, or would you pay less for fuel but lower reliability and more for things to break and end up going to the dealership to fix it and waste a lot of time and in some cases not having your car for some time?
If I had to have one vehicle, for the rest of my life, and I had to make it work for another 50-60 years, the mighty 4Runner is definitely my first pick
Why not the Land Cruiser?🤔
It's a bit thirsty, but definitely solid.
@@garrettyamada9821 it’s also way pricier. Oh and it’s being discontinued
The 4Runner with the third row has a completely different second row, with slide and recline functions, stolen out of the Lexus GX.
Yea I have the third row in mine. It’s great to have
Never mind other SUVs, people buy the 4Runner TRD PRO for their rugged outdoor lifestyle not for comfort nor luxury
Most buyers of Limited-edition models are are soccer Moma who like their luxury
Too top heavy to be a legit off-roader
@Skyler.G nah, they have lexus. Aint no lady driving a 4runner i see🤣 too stiff for the ladies
No they buy it to flex on the other moms because they have too much money.
This suv is a mission specific truck. To be parked and used full time in rural environments that don’t have easy access to dealerships and advanced auto mechanic shops. And it does do well in those settings (see LatAm, Africa and Middle East) would I use as a daily in the burbs? Hell no. But for the lag cabin or off beaten areas? Hell yes
Exactly, it is a tool designed and built for a very specific use. Like its TMC stablemates, it has an unmatched ability to fulfill its role.
Yes the idea is that you take it anywhere and it doesn't break on you. And if it ever does, it's not too complicated to fix, considering it's not too technologically advanced like a BMW.
I daily drive mine in the burbs. It works just fine. I also take mine off road occasionally.
@@PlymouthNeon BMW is a plastic parts joke. And you have to pay extra and fix it more. Hence why a 4Runner is better than any BMW.
Right now we are on our 3rd 4Runner and absolutely love them.
You should go from Lion Runner to 4Runner.
@@EchoSigma6 ha haa.. If I US market get Land Cruiser 70 series diesel I would then have to change the name again. LoL..
@@LionRunner
I know of someone that imported a right hand drive diesel, amazing!
@@EchoSigma6 yes, you can get older ones from landcruisersdirect. I wish I could buy new from dealer.
I'll take a 4Runner any day and every day. Rough, Tough and keeps my family safe
And it looks badass af and not like a lifted focus
@@EpicLemonMusic Get ready for skyrocketing gas prices (looking at you, Joe & kamala)
New owner of a 2020 4Runner Venture myself, and I specifically bought the 5th gen because of the engine/transmission. If you’re not in a big hurry I find the fewer shifts and taller gears a smoother and more comfortable drive around town. And off-road you’re usually only ever in 1st-3rd gears anyway. Having had transmissions with more gears in other cars I prefer the old school feel of the 5 speed. Call me crazy.
I am calling you sane.
I like my XTerra for the same reasons. If it dies I'm getting a 4runner!
Agreed. The 9 speed in my Cherokee never feels good when driving with all the shifting. My 5 speed optima is predictable and smoother.
Call me crazy but after a couple months I prefer the ECVT in my 2019 RAV4 hybrid XSE. Not kidding! No gear hunting and always at peak torque. So smooth, especially in highway.
To an extent, the 8 speed we had in a 2013 BMW is smoother than my 2017 4runner.
Toyota don't need to redesign this because there others SUVs like the RAV4, Highlander, and Lexus SUVS are selling like crazy.
Love the 4Runner but would like to see a more efficient engine, updated interior (especially infotainment and cluster), 8 speed transmission, Toyotas Safetysense 2.0 (standard on new Toyotas) and a hybrid option around 300 hp and 28ish mpg.
Also, honestly, I don't think the 4Runner feels that old inside with the new infotainment system. Honestly I'd say, give it a newer transfer case with a better crawl ratio and a more modern transmission and leave everything else alone.
@@MichaelMiller-rg6or I don't think it feels old either...it just feels like a truck.
Love the simplicity and not having to dive into a menu to adjust the cabin temp ect...smh I have no patience for that.
Just needs a new engine and transmission. That's all.
I’m happy with my 2020 SR5 Premium with 4x4 and 3rd row. 99% folks should be !
I have the same trim.
love it!
I’ve been rocking my 2014 SR5 since new. It still drives on and off rd like the day I drove it off the lot. Only needing tires and fluid changes-now at 117,000 miles. Hold onto yours right through the warranty ending and paying it off. You won’t regret it
Grand cherokee, I own one, I picked it over the 4Runner and they are great, but, having 4wheeled it and spent some time underneath it, it really is not in the same category. Even with the skids it’s fragile under there with exposed low hanging sheet metal boxes for the battery and computer, exposed plastic transmission pan and a very exposed wire harness on nearly the lowest point-first thing you drag when cresting a hill.
We did love the GC. But ended up with the 4 runner for its off-road capability over the GC TH.
ZFs don't have plastic trans pans(and are shielded if you have the proper off-road package). You also get nearly 11" of ground clearance with air suspension. Then there is the matter of daily driving the 4Runner, which is a chore to say the least. BUT the 4Runners resale and reliability are huge pluses.
@@hellkitty1014 the problem we found (Trail Hawk) with the GC is at off road II there is little to no suspension travel. Beat the hell out of us on the trail. In off road I it was better. For everyday driving the GC was nice.
@@hellkitty1014 resale value. why sale your 4runner , you will forever saying wish id kept my 4runner
@@hellkitty1014 I wish this was true but on my v8 2018, it’s not. Aftermarket does make a trans skidplate but factory trailhawk does not have it. Just a skid under the diff, t-case and fuel tanks. Mine does have a plastic tray under the transmission.
www.jeepgarage.org/threads/trailhawk-skid-plate-pics.221118/
I have the 2020 Venture edition and absolutely love it. Old school done right.
I own a 2000 4runner, since new, with 215K miles on it. Runs great, does not leak or burn oil. Has only needed general maintenance. Changed the oil every 5K miles since new. They are designed to last for 300K miles, built in the same factory as the Land Cruiser. Toyota's philosophy on design is evolution, not revolution. That works for me.
I was under the impression they came from the same factory as the big Land Cruiser and Lexus LX but that is not actually true. The 4Runner is built alongside the Lexus GX and Prado in a different plant.
2:25 “The advantage is going to be ruggedness and the ability to swap out the frame if you wanted to aftermarket. So, there are a few companies out there that will give you truly rugged, heavy duty frames.”
What company offers an aftermarket frame for the 4Runner or any other Toyota? I’ve never heard of someone swapping out their frame for an aftermarket one.
Alex, I am glad you showed a photo of the upcoming 2 door Bronco and that chart with the lonesome 2 door Wrangler all by itself. They were a timely reminder of the NEED for Toyota to get back in the 2 door 4X4 game.
Take over the Jimny and put a Yota motor in it?
@@brodiwheeler7583 There may be more to that than you think. Currently Toyota is building RAV4 Hybrids in one plant which get re-badged as the Suzuki Across. Meanwhile their English factory is changing the grill on Corolla Hybrid WAGONS and calling them the Suzuki Swace. Weirdly, India and Africa get Suzukis re-badged as Toyotas. A Jimny with a Toyota drivetrain or a pure Toyota the size of a Jimny has a lot of potential but they would be a lot smaller than the Bronco and Wrangler. The Toyota ready to go head to head in this category immediately is the 2 door Prado already built on the same assembly lines as the 4Runner and Lexus GX.
@@rightlanehog3151 I am hoping there is more to that than I may think... that’s why I said it. I want one.
I know that the Prado is more in the size class of off-roaders like the Bronco & Wrangler... But if we’re dreaming of Yotas that are made in other markets... I’d go with the 70 Series LC before Prado. Unfortunately I think Toyota only has room for one purpose built Off-Roader in their lineup right now due to CAFE regs. Though I surely would buy one if they offered another in addition to the Runner.
@@rightlanehog3151 Me: _Cries_ *IN FJ CRUISER* 😢
@@brodiwheeler7583 Everything about the FJ idea was virtually perfect. Toyota wanted to offer a CHEAPER 4X4 alternative to the 4Runner in automatic and MANUAL with some retro cues. Sadly, the overwrought FJ design and awful visibility just did not do it. Give the 2 door Prado a two tone paint job, call it the 'Land Cruiser Classic' then sell it for FJ prices and you have a classically-styled sales winner. In regard to the 70 Series, if it meets modern crash and emission standards, send it over as well. Lastly, if commuters buy Toyota Hybrids instead of regular versions, CAFE goals will be met just fine.
The 2020 4Runner has standard adaptive cruise control. It also has the braking feature in for the pre collision warning.
You would not need it if you stopped playing with your phone and infotainment system. I bought the 2019 model because it did not have that additional electronic garbage, and it came in the best color ever, Voodoo Blue. I like vehicles that have minimal additional features. A first gen Miata, A Scion XB WS(now my kids but running strong after 16 years) and this 4runner. Vehicle and driver, little else. Japanese mainland manufactured vehicles are excellent.
When I retire in a year or two I will find a good used one and buy it! Can't wait!
Man that army green looks incredible.
americans : the 4 runner is old and outdated we want something modern.
toyota : electrics break all the time you will regret it
amercans goes out and buys a vehicle with electric everything and very modern
americans: all the electrics on my vehicle breaks and constantly needs bringing back to the dealer to get repaired
toyota : the words " i told you so " comes to mind
Unless you intend to keep it forever, I disagree with your idea of buying a lower trim level and then spending $10K to add a suite of offroad upgrades. The TRD Pro has phenomenal resale value, with almost zero depreciation over 3-5 years. Not impossible, but not likely either that would apply to your one-off, modded 4Runner.
Also, the TRD Pro models ride better than the lower trims due to the suspension modifications. Plus...those models are where the cool colors are!
4runners are keepers, last summer there where deals on new 4runners wish should of bought one msrp under $40k a base trd off road there where some rebates to ,if you sale it ,you will for ever wish id kept it , I had a 92 4cy 4x4 pu wish I still had it, but my 95 grand Cherokee 4.0 is still running strong 215k did buy a new tacoma 4wd sr v6 sx does fine for me weekend only use
The only available combination of a midsize truck without truck bed.
Alex, The unmatched level of #reliability that this 4Runner offers will never go out of style. As soon as the next 4Runner arrives, there will be widespread weeping and wailing at the classic elements which were lost with the redesign. Hopefully a manual 4Runner comes back some day.
I would argue however that little would be lost by Toyota stealing a small V8 from Lexus and using their existing 8 speed auto. That would make it much more modern. Also, little would be lost by a dashboard re-design
@@AAutoBuyersGuide What a rare thrill and honour (English spelling) to earn a direct response from the man himself. Naturally, I agree with your assertion as long as that 4.6 is tuned for Regular not Premium. I would also reiterate that the 6 speed manual from the Tacoma should be added to the options list as well. Sadly, I cannot concur with your opinion that Toyota's generic 3.5 V6 is a superior truck engine to the 4.0. BTW why does no one ever mention the 4Runner with the 2.7? Have a great weekend and stay safe out there.
@@rightlanehog3151 the 6 speed in the Tacoma is ass. Feels vague, top gear ratio is too low. My 2000 4Runner manual had a much better feel.
@@s50201 Fair enough but I'll take an imperfect manual over an automatic any day.
If they dropped a small v8 and an 8 speed into the next 4Runner like Alex said I’ll be at the dealership ready to buy lol. As much as I love the 4Runner the motor and tranny just don’t cut it for me esp when towing a 3k to 4K pound trailers in colorado. I’m with everything else on it being “old school” but the engine and transmission desperately need an update.
I'm with you Alex. Even just a new transmission with more gears would make a world of difference. And is the reason why it's not on my radar.
I love my 2012. Bought new and runs like a champ!
Alext, to the end you say if you are getting RAV4. I am sure you meant to say if you are getting a 4Runner.
If I were buying a Rav4. Small ”bobo”. Waiting for my 2021 Venture Edition.... Being delivered this week. My 70th birthday present to myself. Great review Alex.
Happy Birthday to you and Happy Trails with your new 4Runner.
After the mess of putting the 3.5 in the Tacoma I think Toyota decided to leave the 4R alone. Gaining 1 or 2 mpg is not worth slapping in the 8 speed. Sales are strong for such an old truck. Something to be said about simplicity.
There is a lot to be said for simplicity when it is paired up with reliability.
Meanwhile, over on TFL they bought a new Land Rover Defender to build into the "ultimate overlander". It's been at the dealership for most of October with various electronic gremlins. They should've started with one of these.
The Defender is a tax write off for TFL so they can afford to experiment with far less reliable brands.
I just purchased a 2020 TRD-Offroad. We stopped it against the Grand Cherokee. No comparison other than the length, width, and seating (4 runner 3rd row is not really usable for adults).
Bottom line. If you want a Mall crawler, go GC. If you want a very comfortable on-road and off-road rig? 4 runner.
We shopped for a year (to get the right price, rented vehicles for a week to see what we wanted, compared friends rigs for our desired off-road setup, etc).
But, we ended up with he 2020 4 runner. It doesn't have all the bullshit electronics/tech that breaks on the jeep. For starters.
Agree with you I would get an off-road instead of pro. I don’t understand the value: basically shocks and exhaust and a lot superfluous items for $7400 more than the offroad premium- and even more real world as dealers usually hold fast to MSRP on them. For some reason the resale value almost justifies the cost though.
Wheels, Tires, JBL Audio, 1/4 thick aluminum Skid Plate, Roof Rack...
@Dave InMSP Yup it’s just a preference. And the SofTex can be had on the TRD Off-Road Premium without needing to go to the PRO just for posterity’s sake. Enjoy Your Runner! 🤙🏼
Let me interject here for one moment. The dinosaurs are extinct. Also, mine is only 5 years old. They don't have to redesign it for another 15 years. Thank you.
New model coming 2022.
@@James-il3tq Unbelievably I think it's going to be a '23 now. I'm happy to have gotten in right before the price creep started as they began adding tech stuff. I'm just one of those people who is perfectly happy to continue turning a key and paying attention while driving.
I really like the color.
It needs a major update all around. Toyota, for some reason, has allowed some of the Toyota/Lexus models grow long in the tooth.
Why fix what’s not broken. These things are the best. They do need better headlights for sure though
@@fallguy4209 I wouldn't mind if mine had 7 or + gears as well.
@@fallguy4209 if it's falling behind the competition, it's broken. 5 speed transmission? C'mon, man. That's ridiculous in this day and age. Might as well come with a tape deck.
@@tri3pleagent My 10 speed auto is pretty clunky at times and thanks to it trying to be economical all the time, it makes my engine lug during around town driving. State of the art isn't always better than tried and true.
@@normcheers1726 doesn't have to be a 10 speed. My point is there are more powerful AND efficient powertrains in the class right now. If Toyota is okay with good enough, so be it. But natural selection never fails to select.
The big mechanical difference between the SR5 and the TRD version is the Crawl Control system, not KDSS. KDSS is just a stabilizer. Crawl Control is a computer controlled locking rear differential, which is much cooler and more useful. It makes the 4Runner way better in 4WD for hard-core users. I bought an SR5 because I don't expect to ever have a need for anything more than the standard 4WD and its much cheaper.
Good for you for buying the SR5. it is the best 4X4 deal in the market.
Yeah the Grand Cherokee might be cross-shopped but the 2 dont even compare. Also spending $50k for a FCA product is ballsy.
Ford will NEVER make the bronco as reliable as the 4runner. Ford is a joke now. 30 years ago they were amazing.
Sad but true.
Aye. Its time for toyota to refresh and remix the 4runner platform
No they are not even half-way through the Toyota product cycle.
Aye, those that fall behind gets left behind. Keep to the code, aye!
Redesign yes but they must be careful to retain its looks, offroading capabilities, reliability while adding a more fuel efficient engine, 8 speed transmission, updated tech, safety features and a hybrid option (every new model to have hybrids as per Toyota by 2025).
@@James-il3tq
I love its look ngl. They better be careful
That transmission is dated but super reliable so I'm glad it's in there...reliability rules ! When you are in hilly terrain just over-ride the auto and use the shifter. Left out details like seat fabric and much more that come on premium. Gotta dot your i's and cross your T's because a lot of info missing on the packages. Only reason I know is i researched it on the Company website.
Reliability rules off road or on road.
The Bronco Sport is a re-badged Escape, and the Big Bronco is still vapor-ware at this point. And, if it's reliability is anything like the Explorer ... well, enjoy the shop.
Alex always shows up packing, no lie 😳
Show us what he is packing.
I think he knows :-)
His big wiener bulge?
Lol those pants are tight
bikephil i’m thinking big balls
I have a 2007 v8 Limited... every year I look to see if there is a reason to 'upgrade'... yet to see a year that was worth upgrading.
Nothing changed for 2020.
Isn't it great to have 13 year old vehicle that gives you the option to upgrade when you feel like it?
My favorite mountain road is not paved. (Neither is my driveway...)
Caught the RAV4 slip at the end. This is like the RAV4 channel. ;-)
Why don't they sell this in Australia? It looks so good and it is such a good vehicle.
Good question, we wonder why the Prado Kakadu is not sold over here.
@@rightlanehog3151 Isn’t that the Lexus GX 460?
@@SimplyLewin Very close, I am sure someday somebody will do a PHD thesis delineating all the Prado variants across the world. BTW I should have been more specific in my first comment as there is a Kakadu and Kakadu Horizon to go along with the GX, GXL and VX . Those are just the Australian variations. Naturally, my favourites are the bare bones versions sold outside Australia with manual transmissions, 2.7 4 cylinder gasoline engines and either 2 or 4 doors. You can get those in South America or Asia. :-)
At least this beast will outlive the humans on earth much better than gm or fca
I have owned 20+ cars over 35 years. No, it’s not the overall best vehicle, but it’s one of the best built vehicles out of all time. Something about the simplicity and legacy technology that makes it so reliable. Resale value pays for some of the gas. 😅
Only when you sell it. -Travis
Great review, have a 2017 SR5. Love it, except the gas mileage. 6 or 8 speed transmission would help the engine. Thought about the Jeep GC, but needed more cargo room, and I wanted the reliability. Kinda wish I went with the limited for the all wheel drive system since I spend a lot of time in the Sierras. But the Bronco looks tempting, I'll be checking out the 2022 model!
Nobody ever reviews the SR5 4Runner, it is the bargain of the segment.
Have a 2019 ORP, it came from the dealer as an "Overland Sema Build." Drove it for a few years, beat the ever living eff out of it. Yet, now the thing squeaks, there is a metallic clunk up front, wobble, and steering issues; Luckily Hyundai dealership down the street is offering me $44,500.00 for my ORP.
I can't go wrong in this market, it was great off-roading, but at the same time; Work has me... Working, and saving for a house plus falling into a new Hyundai Santa Fe Calligraphy seems like a nice trade.
I'll be back, and I think I'm getting out of it at a good time, considering the 6th generation is about to drop (Summer) which means all current 5th gens, while not by much, will lose that lovely sales value.
Alex, you’re the best in the business. Keep up the great work!
The only thing that Toyota needs to add is a six to eight speed transmission for fuel economy during highway miles. Other than that, I love my 2019 Voodoo blue TRD Pro!
Yeah I love my Voodoo Blue 4Runner. It was funny both me and my wife came home and said we both loved that blue 4 Runner out of the blue, a few months later we bought one. Neither one of us let on that we were interested in buying one.
Hope your house is safe from the fires :\ be safe man
Sales don't lie! 4Runner sales have been increasing in recent years. Why? No one will argue that reliability and off-road competency are top-of-mind with buyers. For the masses, Toyota has the Highlander. I see this video as somewhat genuine and somewhat clickbait for its negative commentary. My '13 Limited has been flawless.
On balance I think Alex is diplomatic and reasonable He certainly acknowledges Toyota leads everyone in QDR . Enjoy your 2013, it should be solid for the next 15 years.
Owning a 4Runner is like a marriage, in it for the long haul and what a virtuous woman she is. The luster may fade but her not her strengths. Sorry, getting emotional just thinking about it, need to step away and hug my Toyota.
@@EchoSigma6 I never actually hug my 'Toyota' but I do 'treat' it to the best oil and lubricants on the market, take it to Krown rustproofing once a year to keep the nasty effects of road salt at bay, slather a nice coat of paste wax over its body once a year and park it safely in a cozy garage every night.
@Chezzyperson
I suspect overlanders are a small population, very small. How about reputation, loyal customers, and marketing?
@@rightlanehog3151
But you massage and luxuriate it with loving care. 😉
All this thing needs is a new engine and a new transmission. Boom! Done
Id buy an older one and spend extra money on aftermarket upgrades.
They’re all expensive these Toyota’s
Old one still expensive
Great review - as usual. I have a Bronco reserved but almost got a 4Runner to avoid the wait. The price kept me from pulling the trigger. 4Runner value seems to be strongly in buying used as it hasn’t changed for a decade. It is comfortable but sub-par at this price level.
Well dammit, if I can’t fit a gallon of milk inside the center console than this is no SUV for me!
Alex is the type of a guy who orders Toyota and gets Toyota
with the third row option, you can slide the second row seats**
they better hurry with that redesign, these new broncos look amazing yea not same Japanese quality but man are they great looking. I think the new bronco will trend all suvs to be more rugged. yes im looking at you chevy blazer
I had a Toyota Sienna for 15 years and 325000 miles with almost no issues. I had a Jeep wrangler for 3 years and 40000 miles and something seemed to fall apart or break every 3 months. And I leased a Grand Cherokee Summit for 3 years and had the power steering pump blow up, as well as electrical issues. So when I went to get a new SUV earlier this year that was under $60k and had plenty of off-road prowess and was durable, guess what I bought? Hint: it wasn't a Jeep.
IMO, after having two jeeps, I think they're hugely disappointing, especially after 3-5 years from new. Everything rattles, the interiors look shoddy (the GC summit being an exception), mechanically you feel they're one turn away from catastrophe, etc. And man, they're awesome when you get them off the street, but I wouldn't rely on one anymore.
And that's ok, because I think most people lease or finance them anyway and get rid of them when the warranty is up.
Very well summarized, there is a night and day difference between Toyota and Fiat/Peugeot/Chrysler.
Bla, bla, bla. We own two 4 runners. A SR5 and a Limited. To say we're happy with them is an understatement.
Alex, great reviews! Love your channel. Any insight into the 4Runner Gen 6?
Embarrassing that Toyota still uses an antique 5 speed automatic. Especially for that price level. Such a transmission belongs in a museum. Hope the 4Runner gets a nice 8 speed asap.
I recently bought mine and could care less. I didn't want a thing to change. Why would you change what performs so well. I could care less about fuel mileage. I drive under 12K a year. That 4Runneer will last for the rest of my life. Cant say that about Jeep after the turn of the century and Ford has yet to establish any positive reputation in the 4wd off road SUV market. Currently Tacoma's rule over Fords offerings.
Alex please please start putting the car into reverse so we can see how the back up camera quality is, whether the car has 360 or not, I just don’t understand why you don’t show the back up camera??
trd pro and trd offroad 4r still have a Manuel shift transfer case no dial on the dash.
The engine is better than the new 3.5 liter which is exactly why they have kept it.
The transmission is a pain in the mountains especially.
They are selling ,ore than ever and it's because this and a Wrangler have been all there is.
Also TRD Premium is the buy. Need the Leatherette and the heated seats
Dude, Toyota has no problem selling 4Runners. I have a TRD Pro. Jeep or Ford cant compete on the grounds of Toyota''s dependability and reliability.
The 4runner is a true SUV. Jeep, Ford, etc. don't make their SUVs anymore. And I say this as 13 year long owner of a 2003 Jeep Grand Cherokee.
You should really look into overlanding. It explains that sliding drawer well
My favorite vehicle ever. I have two 😀
Can the engine be tuned? A 4 liter V6 should be able to reliably deliver more power?
No but you can get a magnusen supercharger for it
I would suggest going for something like Honda Passport. This seems extremely expensive for what it offers.
There is no comparison between the two. Both are good for their demo but I don’t think you’d get a 4R shopper to cross shop a passport.
The Passport is a glorified Pilot, not a true 4x4.
I’ve seen people buy a Passport, then a year later take a big loss on trading/selling it a year later when they realized they needed the capability of a proper 4WD system.
Passport has excellent IVT-4 AWD but not made for off-roading. The low profile factory tires scream pavement princess 👸Still a nice SUV but not a direct competitors to 4Runner.
@@James-il3tq Indeed, Soft-Roader at best.
Anyone know if the suspension (highway ride quality) is materially different in the Lexus GX460 vs. the 4runner?
Alex's recent GX 460 reviews answers that specific question.
u have took one year , i used my apple watch using hearing noise test app and got 62 dB , no idea how you getting 72dB , and i can tell 72dB is alot this 4runner is pretty quite, only crazy drone noise from back , steering wheel sucks very very sensitive and u have to move little bit all the time to keep this truck in the line , toyota must add electric steering , anyway late review but good ..
@Alex on Autos, why is this being compared to 2-Row SUVs under 50k? The 4-runner TRD Pro starts over 50k MSRP.
24:48 were you talking about the 4Runner or RAV4?? 💀😬🤣
Did Toyota fix its issue with the frame rusting? I'm not sure it is "rugged & reliable" if the frame doesn't hold up.
Doesn't have frame rust issued as much as it's the first major component of to go with the other parts lasting forever. Get it rust proofed and wash underside often.
Hey Alex, is there anyway of you finding OUT or explaining why we cant get the Mitsubishi Montero Sport here in the U.S. ? It is technically where the 4 runner should be at here in U.S. tech-wise.
Look at the video called 4runner torture test. Aint no soccer mom fragile mobile. It takes a good beating
I own a 2000 runner and she still runs like brand new literally no reason to upgrade it.
Another nice review! Really like your comprehensive spec and comparison!! Since you already test the noise level, would you also be able to test mic quality for in car Bluetooth phone calls?
You're one of my favorite along with TFL and Redline.
A used GX460 gets better gas mileage even with a V8, because of the 6spd. It's sad that they chose to not update the transmission in the 4Runner. Just got a 2014 GX and the ride is way more comfortable, and you can add Crawl Control/Multi terrain select for ~$500 in OEM parts easily.
The gx is built by toyota on the same platform as the 4runner, they clearly know what they're doing and chose to make more money and not invest in upgrading the engine/trans of the 4runner.
Just saying the gx is more value for the money
@Robert Blackford of course that's why they put the V6 with 100 lb ft less torque on the "stronger" transmission, and gave it a lower 4Lo first gear ratio than a GX.
I didn't know you were a toyota engineer, now it all makes sense. thanks for explaining
@Robert Blackford yeah, you're so smart!
can't even detect the sarcasm, or what I was talking about.
Do some research on which car has a more powerful engine/stronger transmission, and what gear ratios are used on the transfer case, diff and the transmission, maybe you'll get what I said.
@Robert Blackford I drove my 2014 gx on the same loop that I did a test drive of a 2020 limited 4runner before i bought the gx. 4runner averaged 16mpg, and the gx got 17mpg. Also if you look at fuelly.com for both the 4runner and lexus, they are both around 18mpg.
My mistake on the torque difference of 100, I was looking at the dyno chart for a 4runner, and used the official numbers on lexus as I couldn't find a chart for it.
Either way the lexus is atleast ~55 lb ft strronger engine, so can you explain how you came up with the theory that 4Runner transmission would be 'stronger'?
I'll enjoy my car, the v8 is more fun, gets better mpg from my limited testing. Enjoy your 4runner or whatever you're trying to defend.
That is ridiculous that you can't even install a winch because of the placement of the radar. I'm surprised Toyota didn't really think this through.
this is what new teen drivers should take their tests in........love the 4runner!!!!!!!!
Are you sure 4runner has rear solid axle?
Yes . The Sequoia is the only body-on-frame Toyota SUV in our market with an independent rear suspension.
Love ya Alex, my one gripe with your thorough reviews is the scale, towards the size of vehicles. I find this information very useful however how you present it is not useful. For instance, in this review it appears like the 4runner is about 30% bigger than a Grand Cherokee, or more than twice as big as a 2dr. Wrangler. I don't believe that would be accurate, but presents that way on the scale, without having any kind of reference. for instance, the left side of the scale is 80 in wheelbase the right side is 120in. I hope that makes sense.
Is it really a scale or a graph? Maybe it is just a bar with names on it.
@@rightlanehog3151 I think if you look at it it's a size scale. It sometimes says smaller and bigger, again a vehicle on the smaller side compared to bigger is not actually twice the size. If he doesn't meannitbto be then it has no real purpose but with his thoroughness of everything I can't beleive that to be true.
In an alternate universe they gave this a better transmission without changing anything else, and it gets 23mpg on the highway about like the 6cyl Grand Cherokee. Shame that transmission never made it to our world.
It’s alright
Definitely dinosaur. Due to 5 speed transmission and under powered engine, and old information. It sucks but I love it and I bought it.
Will loyalty fail when gas tops $4/gal? It's coming.
At this point, I'll just wait for the next-gen Land Cruiser 300. Will be priced a little bit higher but modernized.
There will be no land cruiser after 2021. It’s been discontinued. Only the LX will live on.
i prefer the older music better in the intro