How a PRO mixes MIDI drums
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Dave Otero mixes programmed drums for The Zenith Passage using Superior Drummer and Bogren Digital Krimh Drums.
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Thank god for midi drums. Imagine having to wait for an actual drummer to write songs.
Must be hard for them to write if they never learned to read 🤣
You can go one step further if you have a beast computer.
Take all your drum libraries, average the one with the biggest kit, Make one universal drum map for all of them, matching articulations and sounds. Make Presets including - All Cymbals - All Shells - Kick/Snare Layers. Make an instance for each drum/cymbal, and route and group every individual mic. Take all instances, and make them receive midi from the same channel.
With midi drums, you tend to get an awkward buildup of resonance with fast notes in the overheads and rooms.
Now you can go in and expand each group down to a singular mic to a singular sound, (for example. OH > Crash 1, or Room Near Crash 2) and eq out problem frequencies, reducing that buildup, which makes a huge difference.
It took me a few weeks to setup, but.... save as a presets, and you'll have awesome mix templates for writing drums, the ability to swap things out on the fly, and the ability to build your own kits quickly. Makes songwriting more accurate and fun too. ^^
Mind sharing this template and names of the associated apps and sample packs for say a donation? 🙂
huh
Absolute schizo, I'll try it lmao
We've been for over a decade, nothing new there
Cringe thumbnail tbh
You’ve still got live drums
Still sounds like shit just like it did a decade ago.
Cool video though.
Yep but I guess this might be the video for a beginners
I love bogren krimh drums ❤
Damn, I love midi drums. Because mixing real drums is pain in the a$$
And real drums sound real
Just watch a few tutorials. A few months ago I thought it was hard too, then I learned the simple truth. It doesn't even need *that* much processing. It's pretty easy if you've got the right channel to pick it up from.
Practice makes perfect, don't sell yourself short. Drums are the oldest instrument to be played by man, sure as hell no dumbass AI or plugin that's gonne replace drummers like me and the rest of the real rockers out there.
@@christobarnard8598 yeah, I love real drums. But I prefer to somebody else to mix it right now haha
@@MichaelLenz1 So do MIDI drums. It's like CGI, you only notice the bad stuff.
I get the idea. Modern music is beats and not songs. But then I am arming a track, get behind my kit, press record and start playing. Besides the sound: this approach is way faster than programming drums.
Of course it’s faster, lol. Why is speed more important than the kinda sound they wanted? Modern music is music by the way it’s ALL music 😂 Beats are music, whether it’s quantized midi written remotely then combined or an organic live room album cut. I just never understood that sentiment of music or songs not being songs. I understand it’s a metaphor for how much went into songwriting and recording before the digital age. It’s just not true!
No offense intended btw it definitely looks like I’m trying to be confrontational I’m not at all
@@dangledangleton A beat is something different than a song. That's all I am saying.
@@professorflitch Could you have one without the other though? Or does “song” mean something more philosophical in this case
@@dangledangleton The more I am trying to phrase this, the more I am realizing that this is a lot of content. And yes, part of it is almost philosophical... Sounds like an idea for a full video.
You can always recognize MIDI by the static cymbals sound, no matter how well it's edited.
Is there a better way to get a room track for midi drums? What I’ve been doing is bouncing all the tracks with drums down into an audio file and EQ it to sound like a room..
EQ into a reverb, especially a good room IR, something like that.
A lot of midi drum libraries have room mics built in that you can solo/put on their own track! If the library doesn’t, you could send just cymbals to that room bus and get a share room sample and eq it like it sounds like you have been. Hope this helps
i use to do this when i started out, before i payed for plugins. using free midi kits, bouncing all of the tracks and using the ambience feature on epicverb by variety of sound. always worked great for that dry open room mic sound i was looking for
All the good drum libraries come with separate room channels, just use one of those. To me there is a difference between even using a room reverb and having the actual recording of the room while the sample was created.
I just trigger room samples...
On one hand, this does not sound like the professional drum tracks I am inspired by (Slipknot records aside from AHIG, Korn's Untouchables, Avenged Sevenfold's Nightmare, etc)-it sounds like an overcompressed sampled drum track with no body, drowned in reverberation and placed as far from the listener as if the drum kit was in a concert hall, hitting at velocities no drummer can maintain for a single drum roll. That's simply not what I am after, but.
On the other hand, this sound somewhat close to Slipknot's All Hope Is Gone album or Behemoth's Evangelion. So it does work and I can imagine myself enjoying this kind of drum sounds in a mix, given that it fits the music well. The music has to be really aggressive for this to work out and the rest of the mix has to be top notch and specific in the way it sounds.
This might sound like a criticism, because it is, and I've tried to get away from this kind of sounds as much as I could, because there is zero definition of the actual drums-you can't hear the actual character of any one drum or cymbal in this kind of drum sound designs, and they never sound real.
But this is a good drum sound, and it's also quick and easy to dial into the entire album without spending hours working on highly song-individual drums of a less castrated type of sound, because a different guitar track will require different kick/snare/cymbals or different settings and processing for them.
But as someone who doesn't have to work in the factory mode and shit out a mix in a few hours or a day to make mix engineering work as an occupation, I can fully focus on making each kit piece sound to the best of its potential, so a snare doesn't sound like you gave someone a slap on a really fat arse in a concert hall and have it tuned down half an octave, a hi-hat doesn't sounds like you make a "tss" with your mouth, and china doesn't sounds like you make a "cshhh" sound.
Overall, understanding just how motherfucking difficult it is to make drums, especially sampled drums, sound like anything even quarter-decent, even for very experienced mixing engineers, this video is really nice and it's a very well done job.
Yea...
Vst drums are still so shit, I've been closely working with superior for about 6 months and being shocked at how awful they sound for the money. Most of the OHs are quite nice if you're lucky with the library but oh god, the snares are disgusting, you're just better off replacing it with samples altogether. I've sampled better sounds from youtube test videos of real snares lmao.
And the fucking rooms.. Comparing real rooms to what superior offers is like comparing a spaceship to a banana.. But at least you don't have to spend money and time finding a drummer😂
@@alex_mng Sounds like you just don't know how to mix.
@@Syklonus just download a real recorded raw drum room or snare and listen back to back, you don't have to know how to mix to fucking hear the difference. In this very video the dude uses tons of fucking samples to drown the real snare and kick and his room is crushed and barely sound like anything, the fuck you talking about
@@Syklonus amazing, my comment got removed, I guess "f**kin*" on an adult channel is just too much.
So again, just download any real recorded room or snare or kick and then listen to it back to back with the VSTi like superior and you don't need to know how to mix to notice the huge difference. In this very video the dude layers tons of samples to drown out the snare and kick drums from the VSTis and his room is squashed to hell to the point it doesn't sound like anything. So what's the point of buying superior for 300 bucks then buying libraries for 200 each if you're going to use Slate Trigger (also for 200 bucks) to basically replace kick and snare, squash room until it just sounds like a distorted mess (yes, I know this is a valid technique, but the rooms in Superior do not sound good otherwise).
People love to bring lack of skill into places they also know nothing about and have no experience in. Well, meshuggah have money and skills, so why do their drums sound like poopoo from their EzDrummer era?
Mixing a midi drum with an analog compressor is so funny
Why?
Midi keyboard, bass, drums, vocals, guitar.....
Tracked, programmed, automated, mixed, and composed by the musicians they're supposed to be "replacing" soon.
Went to a venue, saw a band playing with two guitars a bass and a frontman. For the rest empty stage no drummer, what a boring experience 😂
And here come the gatekeepers who don't realise they listen to albums that have amp sims and midi drums on them.
Trust me, you can't tell.
And people still record real drums, because midi stuff not sounds like real one
You know midi drums are sampled from real drums right???
Nah, that's called a "skill issue". Any of these modern sampler instruments CAN sound realistic and great.. if the person programming them knows how to write/track midi TO sound realistic and great.
@@RonDonValante sampled does not means it sounds like played on real drum kit. There is a way more variables than just multilayered samples and precision of played notes
@@JUNKO____ more than 10 years we studied this. Absolutely no library comes close to real drum kit.
@@MichaelLenz1 you'd be surprised at some of the albums that do use midi drums, big names.
Dont know what planet you're from, but if you think you can replace a real drummer with whatever that is, you're sorely mistaken. I feel sorry for you. 🤣
And that's why this generation of music sounds like absolute dogshit.
OK boomer. We hear this comment every generation. Maybe you just listen to shit music, I find lots and lots of amazing current music
i think you need to find more bands you enjoy
Found the boomer
Garage
i'm not impressed
we've been doing this for years
I know of and use an obscure midi drum sample library vst that sounds as real and as nuanced as a real drum performance down to the bleed and the affect that hitting other drums has on the snare wires. Also accurate sounding overheads and room mic tracks. It's not talked about for a reason because while everyone's fussing with all these "popular" drum sample librarys and vsts the ones in the know continue to use these particular vsts from the same gentleman and no one's the wiser while getting perfect repeatable results again and again maximing time and the bottom line. Js... Dig deeper the truth is out there but it's not so obvious. Took a month of searching TH-cam straight for every sample pack and drum vst I could find to discover him. He also not only gives you the vst but the raw samples themselves and the samples coded for slate. Happy hunting ✌🏼🫶🏼
You sound like an absolute schizo gatekeeping tool lol
You talking about glen’s extinction level event drums??
@@johnlmcclure41 As much as I love Glen no not at all who nor is extinction level event what I'm talking about.
Sooooooooo why dont you just say what you’re talking about?!?
@@johnlmcclure41 Because it was a month of continuous research for me and you're asking as if I don't value my time spent. If you'd like to donate to my research efforts I'll gladly share the information with you my good man. If not nbd everything's here on TH-cam for you to find for yourself. May luck be on your side 🙂