THIS is why I love the internet. You would never see something like this on cbc or ctv. Awesome video man. Side note: the gas stations do have clean bathrooms tho
@@Lugh-gv6jx CBC is a Crown Corporation. They don’t own CBC. They may have political influence on the board, through advertisement dollars, philanthropic affiliations, etc. but they do not OWN the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Well, not yet anyway. If Poilievre gets elected, that may change, as he is promising to defund the CBC… which means selling off key assets and/ or funding through advertising… which means bending to the will of corporate dollars.
i used to pump gas at the Champlain heights Irving and this old guy asked me "How's business?" "Oh alright I guess." I think I shook his hand or something like that, it was K.C. He was driving a Ford LTD.
as an NBer, THANK YOU for covering this! I've seen it shared in a lot of FB groups and subreddits, most folks have no idea about the sheer size of the Irving's influence, especially on our current provincial premier.
@@Skinhound there is a big difference between one of my neighbors working his woodlot and billionaire oligarchs coming in and taking every single stick for a hundred square km not replanting a single tree and leaving a wasteland behind. It's your prerogative if you want to boot lick robber barons but don't expect me to do the same
@@SkinhoundMost of what they cut is Crown land... They are cutting government land which is given to them for almost nothing. They plant trees paid by the province. They plant only spruces. They spray more chemicals to kill other trees and insects. More chemicals than Alberta and Quebec where they have 20 times the woodland. In my opinion, the neurological problems experienced by some in southern NB. Many of them have died from this disease being investigated. This year Irving sprayed less probably because of this. I saw fireflies for the first time in 30 years. Deers are found dead because of the pesticides they spray on trees. Irving didn't clean a sawmill in Saint John. It polluted the Bay of Fundy. CBC did a documentary. It aired once on TV. The Bahamas papers showed Irving paid 150 million in lawyer fees to make a trust changed there so they could avoid taxes in canada. So don't tell me "they got the right to cut in their land" because they don't care about their land or people. They abuse and use all.
I was working for a company as an engineer and the NB government was paying 1.2 million for an embankment/road repair. It made little sense, as there was only like 1 house on this isolated, rural road. Near the end of the project, no sooner than the asphalt had been laid, orange Irving pickups began showing up. I cannot say forsure, but I'd imagine the province spent the 1.2 million making the repairs just so Irving could come and log the land.
Gee, I remember land in the Red Head area that was proposed for a new refinery that never happened, they didn't waste any time logging that proposed site.
@@sekovittol3124hey at least they leave enough trees so it doesn't look like the forest has been gutted then burned with chemicals. Sorry I meant treated with glyphosate to encourage growth of good , strong , spindly , charlie brown Christmas, good for nothing but pulping trees. The Irving nature park is nice though. The BBQs are a nice touch I'll actually give them that.
doesn't matter how rich they are in the end , they will still go to a grave the same size as anyone else, and they will take nothing with them~ but they will be judged for their good deeds or not~
@@gayle4795 They created this bullshit system 2000 years ago to make you believe your shitty live has meaning. Wake up, you suffer for nothing so they can laugh in your face.
NB premiere was literally an Irving Oil employee his entire life. People actually voted him in knowing it, we are lost here too many people work for a Irving owned company and are scared they will lose their lifestyle if they do anything against Irving's best interest. So many people have come to believe we are better off because of them somehow. They petitioned for there to be a cap on OT requirements, make x wage no OT required then they pay said OT knowing the smaller company's who struggle to compete will take advantage to make themselves look better. devious af.
Since moving to the Maritimes two years ago it became quite apparent very quickly that the Maritimes are not only a neglected part of Canada ut one ruled by a handful of families. Forming their own Maritime Mafia. And very few speak up as they have jobs with these families. Which in and of itself is very sad. These families have such a choke hold on the provinces and I don't see it changing anytime soon. And the amount of natural destruction they cause to the environment here, well, simply appalling. The clear cutting alone is a catastrophe. Never made sense to me to cut down decades old forests, replacing them with yearlings which will not have a positive effect on the environment for decades to replace the harvested trees.
I have seen how much wasted wood there is in the giant, unnecessary single family homes all over suburbs in Canada, and I would rather not pay the Irvings or anyone like them for my lumber.
Thats really not true at all. LOTS of people support irving as you see here, and I still see support for Higgs, LOTS of suckers have bought into his "oh, you need me to protect the kids from gender issues in schools".
Except that Hiģgs was elected by more than 0.0001% of New Brunswick voters. Which suggests the opposition to New Brunswick's establishment is dramatic, hyperbolic, & bad at math.
@@kerriwilson7732 Well, your logic is off since its been three and a half years since the election. However, my comment was deleted and all I said was its certainly not that low. But lets do a quick list: 1. ten times more mandates than the federal government during covid. 2. His own chief medical officer just quit saying the Premier didn't listen to her. 3. At least three members of his own cabinet have quit the party saying he's a dictator. 4. The province is ACTIVELY fighting against the doctor and those looking for the cause of a mysteriious brain injury 5. Homelessness never started HERE until Higgs, not Trudeau. In Moncton there are multiple buildings that could house EVERY homeless person, higgs has literally done nothing. 6. Forcibly amalgamated rural areas that had NO government to being now cash cows for the local villages they are attached to. 7. Overturned a court ruling and gave mining companies the right to test for minerals on ANY unregistered land. 8. Had to admit that the fiscal success in the province was ALL to do with federal immigration and federal money. 9. Not only rejects Cap and Trade but forces us to pay the carbon tax, AND during covid STOLE our carbon tax rebates AND passed legislation to allow Irvings refinery to pass on its carbon tax to consumers. 10. Refused to change the forestry legislation so that the province made NO extra money during covid when lumber prices skyrocketed. 11. Actually lowered royalties even more last year. 12. Is rapidly privatizing healthcare and never implemented ANY plan to get new doctors or nurses til last year. 13. Personally took over negotiations to keep low paid health workers from making TWO dollars more an hour. 14. Did nothing as nurses fled the province for NS and Quebec because wages and benefits were so much better. 15. Infringed charter rights on at least THREE occasions during covid. Had so many protests here that he had to beg the media to not tell people where he was. Thats just 'off the top of my head'. Our property tax increased a THOUSAND dollars thanks to Higgs. We MADE a little bit of money off the carbon tax and are now in the process of getting an interest free loan to go totally off grid-before Pollievre kills it. Its well known rural conservatives will vote conesrvative no matter what. Which is ironic because MOST of Higgs worst legislation has been aimed at his own base. Oh yeah, our town has TWO bridges out and has for THREE years. Thats how long it takes Higgs to do anyting.
@@robo6118 Well, youtube keeps deleting my comments, but I'll just ask what policies you refer to. I've yet to see ONE. I dont want to speak for you, but his recent support was politically orchestrated. Three years ago he okayed regulations on gender identity in schools. Now an election is comeing and they are worried about the Peoples Alliance and they trot out the "family rights" crap. None of which was constitutional, and virtually ALL of which has been rolled back by the courts, or is in the process of being so now. So that was clearly 'virtue signalling', so what OTHER policy would you be referring to?
Interesting podcast, thank you. I've read 2 books about this family. A large fish in a small pond, they monopolized the business climate and leveraged to their advantage, staying within their core.
They don't call it Canada's only "company" province for nothing. I’m sure there are many that would have done more than Irving has done for Saint John and NB if it wasn’t for the Irvings muscling out competition. How on earth could anyone do more than the Irvings have done in a captured state situation in which a family essentially takes over making policy for government and its tax regime just like we saw in Eastern Europe.
I have a friend who works for Irving, he has told me that Irving Oil has already been sold, to a very large petroleum company in France. That this was the reason why the Irving family members are no longer on the board. He also stated that they are waiting to make the announcement to make it official at the Irving’s family’s request.
Believe it or not, gas is sold to every province at the same rate. The difference is the taxes each province imposes on the gas so to get your answer you have to ask the NB government.
Actually it USED to pay one of the cheapest because gas USED to be regulated before Higgs. Quebec still pays higher gas prices, as does PEI and Nova Scotia 'generally', but gas prices depend on local players as well. Some cities have more competition than others. BC pretty sure has MUCH higher prices as well, particularly around Vancouver where there is the transit tax. Northern ontario pays similar prices as well. For those who don't know, last year Higgs brought in legislation to allow Irving to pass off the federal carbon tax that was designed specifically for refineries, onto us. Even ontario doesn't allow them to do that. And of course the carbon tax is a provincial choice, we could have a cap and trade program where IRving would be paying most of the cost like in Quebec. Gas is often cheaper at independants and on the east coast where they buy from the Ultramar refinery.
In the 1990s when irving was freely clearcutting 24/7 in s/w nova scotia they eventually came w/i 1 mile of a quiet rural religious group. The group asked if irving might be willing to cease night time operations. Irving refused. The religious group then moved out west.
I WORKED ON IRVING OIL REFINERY EXTENSION 1974/75 WE LIVED UP BY THE TOP OF MOUNT PLEASANT AVENUE WE CAME OVER FROM THE U.K. WE WERE LOOKED AFTER VERY WELL .THE PEOPLE OF SAINT JOHN WERE VERY FRIENDLY .WE USED TO GO TO THE X.L. CLUB AND THE LEGION IN CHARLOTTE STREET VERY COLD WINTER BUT GOOD MEMORY
If any friends from NB see this, please demand action from your local governments one way or another. First it's Irving owning New Brunswick, next it's Rogers owning all of Canada... Something needs to be done.
There spraying glyphosate around the turtle creek reservoir poisoned me and now I have the mysterious brain disease, that’s what Irving does to New Brunswickers!!! #Glyphogate #glyphosate
Correction, the largest oil refinery on the CONTINENT. They also are the largest private landowners in Maine now, and 'coincidentally' Maine has been fighting Hydro Quebec's attempt to bring Quebec hydro lines through northern quebec. Interesting how gleeful many NBers at just the prospect of an oil pipeline that would really do nothing for us, but in Maine they can't get just a line of power poles. For another video, might be worth investigating something I've wondered about for years. Quebec has been trying to get more hydro to Maine for DECADES to sell. It has SO much power that NB should really need NO power production. From what I've heard, they need only to upgrade some transmission lines. Thats it Then get cheap ppwer from Quebec. Yet we don't. Weirdly enough, Quebec is SO desperate to get hydro lines through northern quebec that they going to court to overturn a state wide referenda. Meaning, they are pretty desperate. So one could ask, wouldn't THEY pay to upgrade power lines in New Brunswick in order to access southern Maine? Wouldnt THEY agree to sell us cheap power in order to provide access to Maine? I don't know the answers to these because literally NO media organization ever even mentions it. The last mention I heard about hydro, was when CBC reported that NBPower has an agreement to pay Irving to buy power from them, whether they need it or not. That was YEARS ago.
Their not even in the top ten refineries on the continent. Marathon Petroleum at Galveston Refinery in TX is double the barrel capacity of Irving and there are 9 other TX and LA refineries in the US much larger than Irving.
When I travelled to NB, I was so shock that everything was own by Irving. From oil, to transport , to hardware stores, food chain. You can’t beat them as they own everything.
I was born and raised here, and it's all true. Our government has been utterly corrupted by them for over half a century, and is now heavily in debt despite having some of the richest and most accessible resources in the country.
Now I understand why they got the contract to build Canada new navy fleet. What I got from this documentary is that IRVING needs a competitor in the game of resources in New Brunswick!!!
There were days when going outside that I'd literally taste the air with oil and God knows what else. The stench was putrid when the air blew north or west. If I were the mayor I'd say GET! Then maybe the smaller businesses would come back and flourish.
I'm from the Maritimes, and I've been wondering forr years why the East Coast had such high rates of cancer. With all of the carcinogens Irving uses, it makes sense now.
interesting video and perspective on the Irvings. I wish they would have also listed the Irving philanthropy in NB as well. akk companies tax advantage of tax loop holes and weak governments. Stalantis and Volkswagen just accomplished the same thing. The list of companies who lobby government for favorable deals is very long.
Working at the Irving Center of Columbia University in New York was to me an actually wonderful experience because loving and doing is part of how I was raced all my life. Building the first prototype of my patent started to happen round that time in New York. It was year 1998-1999 and today it is clear that my patents and inventions can be used to generate hydrogen inexpensively. In 2010, I ran for the US Congress as Independent with the motto GRAVITY BUOYANCY Solutions...Let's help make a smooth transition in the gas stations from oil into hydrogen.
kC was a good friend of my father’s family, starting in his high school days. I knew him in my growing up years and never saw the side of him that I learned later. What I can say is when my dad was I’ll, KC was there to help. For that I have been truly grateful.
10/10 video, the one thing you missed is KC opened the refinery with the help of Standard Oil, so you can presume where he got alot of his tips and tricks from.
My uncle has a farm just outside of Fredericton and every year when i visit i can see the forest change cause irving logs closer and closer to the property line… i hate them
Not this bad. Every NB Prime Minister has vacated at their private lodge. I remember I visited the NB legislature has a kid. The MLA for Saint-Quentin and Kedgwick asked the government to provide some type of financing for the local sawmill. The next day in the news headline Irving had bought it. Yet Irving receives government funds all the time. The log most of the Crown land for pennies. The government gifts them the tree to plant back. Heck they even partake in the dubbed most generous tax benefit by Canada Taxpayers Association. They received hundreds of thousands of dollars because they once operated a hydro plant. The electricity rates are way lower for commercial operations. Heck another one for you. Provinces now tax environmental clean ups in gas. Most provinces set it at 2 to 4 cents well Higgs set it at 8 cents in NB. Barely any headlines were made about it. Because the money goes to the companies. We are now paying companies to clean themselves and we pay the most in NB.
Municipal, provincial and federal ineptitude are more to blame than a company that inevitably exploits the desperation caused by their fiscal stupidity. If it wasn’t Irving it would be someone else.
I live in Saint John, we've got an intersection here that has a crude oil rail car offloading facility on one side, and a Tim Hortons on the other side, the Tim Hortons pays more property tax than the offloading facility, which is five times the size. They are evil overall, but they put profit over everything else, especially the people of New Brunswick. But the Empire is crumbling, they're into the third generation now and these last few generations have grown up ultra wealthy and out of touch. Allegedly the Refinery is being or is sold and the various companies may be goign public.
KC has it stipulaed in his will that nothing is to be sold for fifty years after his death. But then there are ways around it. Irving bought a refinery in Ireland during covid, and word was this was to be able to blackmail NB like they do with the pulp mill. When they want something, they just talk about the tax deals they could get in Quebec and the governmetn caves, not that they'd fight much anyway. But the 'rumour' about the refiniery was likely because they didn't like some press.
@@ironmikekendall2506 Ironically the chinese would probably have more employment there. This is why nationalization of oil makes perfect sense. Laragely the OWNERSHIP means little in the operations. As I've said, Saudi Arabian government OWNS the second largest corporation in the world, which is an oil company. Its as nationalized as Venezuela, who for some reason we blame their ownership of the oil on why their economy is crap. And yet Saudi Arabia gets a BILLION dollars a day in PROFIT from its 'investment' in oil. Thats 365 billion a YEAR. Which would pretty much mean we'd never have to pay income taxes again.
@@ironmikekendall2506 doubt it, the refinery produces oil and fuel for all of the companies the other Irving family members run. It will just get “sold” to someone else in the family.
This is a pretty biaised story, from a Texas’ news organization It fails to say the Irving family has provided many generations of New Brunswick residents with the dignity of a steady and rewarding carreer, the ability to save for a dignified retirement and consistently invested in the development of industry and peoples in New Brunswick. Are they perfect? No of course. But we don’t need a subject matter lesson from our friends in Texas. Look in your own backyard and let us deal with the Irving legacy as we please.
Being from N.B, I can say that I was so happy the day I left. Beautiful provide nice but as corrupt as it gets. Btw, all corporations avoid paying taxes and use their influence on municipal governments to get their way.
Ya could you imagine if Canada could mine and refine it's own oil without going through a separate country? It would be awful. What would we do with all that money. Feed the kids and cover the cost of every child to go to daycare. Build actual training facilities to teach trades to homeless people with actual temporary housing that isn't a crap shack. Build a few railways across Canada to ease access of the transportation of foods and goods to northern Canada who desperately need it. Boosting tourism with several Trans Canada trains showcasing all the different aspects to Canada. Making disgusting amounts of tourism money with the best of the best passenger trains gliding through the literal untold beauty of wild Canada. Phhh sounds stupid and unreasonable.
There are too many monopolies in Canada. They should be broken up. Rogers, Irving’s, Weston’s, etc, etc…. It’s not good for consumers or citizens to have these concentrations of power.
The discharges by the papermill isn't really uncommon or the companies fault. Its been known to happen with just about every paper mill I have worked at here in Maine. Normally its when the treatment plant gets overwhelmed due to major rainfall causing a major untreated discharge.
The Bronfman family certainly did. Then again my grandad was rumrunning on Lake Erie at the time, he was a poor fisherman though, not a Canadian robber baron.
Thank you to the Irving's for choosing this otherwise economically dead place to create the successful economic hub that it is today. No one else has fed and looked after the families of this otherwise poverty-stricken province, and put NB on the map. They are the only reason anyone has anything to say at all when it comes to life in this province, there would otherwise be no news, and no one would care. A true win-win, and for many families who are trapped here, they are the only hope.
@@williambaird2594 take a look at northern NB or anything up that way. They lost all of their papermills, mines, and industry the companies responsible for those sites left much bigger messes for the government to clean up and rode the communities harder than Irving ever did.
I remember those Irving plastic brown coffee cup . It had two sided tape to stick on the dash for the cup holder. This was back in 89 . CHINA I WOULD IMAGINE COULD BUY IRVING CASH.
I live in Saint John and its unbelievably disgusting on how the Irving's have manipulated and taken from New Brunswick. The amount of illegal chemical dumping into the bay of fundy and the toxic substances the Irving's buried in the Irving nature park killing Acres of park land and positioning ground water. Irving's clear cutting is still happening today as well as dumping pulp and paper factory run off in to the bay of fundy. We are suffering and more and more people are the working poor. Not able to keep lights on or food on the table
We are lucky/ fortunate, in New Brunswick to have some with the non alcoholic drive of making things bigger and better ! He dragged UP a lot lot of people , kicking and screaming, by the boot straps. They left this world and province, a better place !!!
Interesting video, but there's no good reason to hard-subtitle a video on TH-cam. And if you must, then please learn how an apostrophe works. Hint: if you're using it to make something plural, you're doing it wrong.
Say what you want about Irving, but I can't complain. A good friend of mine worked for them less than a year and during that time he passed away unexpectedly from complications following a routine medical procedure. Which it couldn't have happened at a worst time. He was in the middle of renovating his house among several other things which were going on in his life. Irving made sure his family was taken care of and I believe have remained in contact with his family.
Really? What were their names? Those are the kinds of stories that always pop up in stories about Irving . "Oh I knew a guy who was sick, and they drove him four hours to the hospital and took care of them". Really? Which Irving? Thats odd because I know somebody who had a job interview with their trucking firm, and at the interview they were asked if they could fire a trucker who was ten minutes late, because that was part of the job. That sure doesn't sound like a company you refer to. I worked for them for less than a year, they had no idea who I was, and certainly wouldn't have, what, actually paid his salary while he was in the hospital and not working? Those are the "Irving myth" stories like "they always ate at Mcdonalds" and "were the first ones in and the last ones to leave" kind of crap. And two of the three sons are dead, and Jim runs the refinery, which had a brutal lockout of workers so certainly was not 'making sure hteir families were ok".
@@mikearchibald744 David Bernier, worked for EMR until his passing last spring. In the past they have also done things such as loan the passenger cars they have to MNR to run charity excursions with the goal of raising money for cancer treatments for a conductors kid, which they matched what was raised from ticket sales. As for your “friend” who supposedly interviewed there, I don’t necessarily buy that story. What trucking firm? Did he get hired? Was that a question a character question or an actual question? Considering the same people who run the trucking company oversee the railroad and I know for a fact that being late isn’t taken that strict there, considering there was one guy who was consistently 30minutes to an hour late for work, and it took a year of his managers warning him and such before they finally decided to terminate him. But overall it sounds like if anything you are more of the disgruntled type of anything. AFAIK Jim has nothing to do with IOC, he owns JDI.
@@mikearchibald744 I guess @main_railfan has forgotten the name of his good friend. And IF this story is true at all, that good friend probably was the depute CEO or something other function among the high brass.
I can't wait for a government with some backbone. Where as soon as they threaten to go, they turn around and say "OK, leave". Someone needs to call their bluff. They aren't able to give their operations anywhere else without being outcompeted and they know it. This scared tactic is old hat. It's time for the chickens to come home to roost.
are you from the place that smells like chemicals every day because you live next to the paper mill mentioned in the video if not then pipe down lil bro
Well they still kept many warm,they probably sent oil overseas during war times,and help build our ships in our navy today,they also donate to many childrens support groups,scouts,sports,after school programs,employed lots of families with good paying jobs our dollar stretched alot futher back then,that when Canada was awesome,thats the times alot of us Canadians remember,i had and irving right in the bay i could fill the gas tank in my boat,for 20 dollars and play for the next 2 days,fishing and exploring and take my friends along with me,it was fun.
Uh, the oil refinery was built in the early seventies. MOST of the gas is sent to california. They build our ships for the navy because they get the contracts, and they closed the Saint John shipyard and moved shipbuilding to Nova Scotia and now plunder our gypsum which the federal goverment helped pay for. Canada wasn't awesome, you were a kid and bought cheaper gas. Has nothing to do with Irving. There are tons of good paying jobs out there, you just need training to do them. They can't find enough tradespeople and they make good money. A guy offered me 25 bucks an hour to do lawncare. You can't go fishing now because there is so much pollution from the sprays. And because oil has heated up the planet that new species of fish are taking over the ecosystem. When you HAVE billions that you get mostly from resources, you can't pretend to be a philanthropist. Do you know how much more money they made from the ONE policy the province had where we didn't make a penny more in royatlies when lumber prices went through the roof? They TRIPLED and we didn't get one penny more for our trees.
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THIS is why I love the internet. You would never see something like this on cbc or ctv. Awesome video man.
Side note: the gas stations do have clean bathrooms tho
they own CBC. radio too
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CBC is a Crown Corporation. They don’t own CBC. They may have political influence on the board, through advertisement dollars, philanthropic affiliations, etc. but they do not OWN the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Well, not yet anyway. If Poilievre gets elected, that may change, as he is promising to defund the CBC… which means selling off key assets and/ or funding through advertising… which means bending to the will of corporate dollars.
@Cr1me-wavE you obviously are talking out of your ass, I have never been to a dirty bathroom in a Irving station
For those not from NB wondering about this, think Monty Burns.
For anyone not from NB, NB is like the asshole of North America, perhaps the world
Damn!
i used to pump gas at the Champlain heights Irving and this old guy asked me "How's business?" "Oh alright I guess." I think I shook his hand or something like that, it was K.C.
He was driving a Ford LTD.
as an NBer, THANK YOU for covering this! I've seen it shared in a lot of FB groups and subreddits, most folks have no idea about the sheer size of the Irving's influence, especially on our current provincial premier.
They logged all the land behind where i live, utterly destroyed the land, not a tree left standing and zero replanting. They are demons.
Lol illegal to regular homeowners but not the rich 😂
So someone isn’t allowed to use their land for logging just because you live nearby ?
@@Skinhound there is a big difference between one of my neighbors working his woodlot and billionaire oligarchs coming in and taking every single stick for a hundred square km not replanting a single tree and leaving a wasteland behind. It's your prerogative if you want to boot lick robber barons but don't expect me to do the same
@@SkinhoundMost of what they cut is Crown land...
They are cutting government land which is given to them for almost nothing.
They plant trees paid by the province. They plant only spruces. They spray more chemicals to kill other trees and insects. More chemicals than Alberta and Quebec where they have 20 times the woodland.
In my opinion, the neurological problems experienced by some in southern NB. Many of them have died from this disease being investigated. This year Irving sprayed less probably because of this. I saw fireflies for the first time in 30 years. Deers are found dead because of the pesticides they spray on trees.
Irving didn't clean a sawmill in Saint John. It polluted the Bay of Fundy. CBC did a documentary. It aired once on TV.
The Bahamas papers showed Irving paid 150 million in lawyer fees to make a trust changed there so they could avoid taxes in canada.
So don't tell me "they got the right to cut in their land" because they don't care about their land or people. They abuse and use all.
@@Skinhound They should atleast have the decency to clean it up
Great video that illustrates how Irving is a big fish in a small pond and how this holds back the province's potential!
I was working for a company as an engineer and the NB government was paying 1.2 million for an embankment/road repair. It made little sense, as there was only like 1 house on this isolated, rural road.
Near the end of the project, no sooner than the asphalt had been laid, orange Irving pickups began showing up.
I cannot say forsure, but I'd imagine the province spent the 1.2 million making the repairs just so Irving could come and log the land.
Gee, I remember land in the Red Head area that was proposed for a new refinery that never happened, they didn't waste any time logging that proposed site.
@@sekovittol3124hey at least they leave enough trees so it doesn't look like the forest has been gutted then burned with chemicals. Sorry I meant treated with glyphosate to encourage growth of good , strong , spindly , charlie brown Christmas, good for nothing but pulping trees. The Irving nature park is nice though. The BBQs are a nice touch I'll actually give them that.
Thanks! I knew Irving was garbage but didn't realize just how bad.
doesn't matter how rich they are in the end , they will still go to a grave the same size as anyone else, and they will take nothing with them~ but they will be judged for their good deeds or not~
@@gayle4795 They created this bullshit system 2000 years ago to make you believe your shitty live has meaning. Wake up, you suffer for nothing so they can laugh in your face.
Canada is run by a few families, monopolies in a lot of industries and enough political power to influence the lives of millions
Amazing video with great research. Thanks for shedding a light on Irving's evil ways
Start taxing the corporations properly, instead of relying on equalization payments to make up for it. These politicians need to be held accountable.
NB premiere was literally an Irving Oil employee his entire life. People actually voted him in knowing it, we are lost here too many people work for a Irving owned company and are scared they will lose their lifestyle if they do anything against Irving's best interest. So many people have come to believe we are better off because of them somehow. They petitioned for there to be a cap on OT requirements, make x wage no OT required then they pay said OT knowing the smaller company's who struggle to compete will take advantage to make themselves look better. devious af.
This is what irving doesnt want the public to hear. Hope this video continues to gain popularity!
From Nova Scotia, they are pieces of shit.
Since moving to the Maritimes two years ago it became quite apparent very quickly that the Maritimes are not only a neglected part of Canada ut one ruled by a handful of families. Forming their own Maritime Mafia.
And very few speak up as they have jobs with these families. Which in and of itself is very sad.
These families have such a choke hold on the provinces and I don't see it changing anytime soon. And the amount of natural destruction they cause to the environment here, well, simply appalling. The clear cutting alone is a catastrophe. Never made sense to me to cut down decades old forests, replacing them with yearlings which will not have a positive effect on the environment for decades to replace the harvested trees.
Is your house made of wood?
Because if it is, that's the sensible part. 🇨🇦
If you live in a cave, I apologize. 🤣
I have seen how much wasted wood there is in the giant, unnecessary single family homes all over suburbs in Canada, and I would rather not pay the Irvings or anyone like them for my lumber.
We need more reporting of this type! Many provinces have the same issues !
I am from N.B....THANK for making this video! It is 100% true! And 99.9999% of us NBers hate Irving and Higgs!
Thats really not true at all. LOTS of people support irving as you see here, and I still see support for Higgs, LOTS of suckers have bought into his "oh, you need me to protect the kids from gender issues in schools".
Except that Hiģgs was elected by more than 0.0001% of New Brunswick voters.
Which suggests the opposition to New Brunswick's establishment is dramatic, hyperbolic, & bad at math.
@@kerriwilson7732 Well, your logic is off since its been three and a half years since the election.
However, my comment was deleted and all I said was its certainly not that low.
But lets do a quick list:
1. ten times more mandates than the federal government during covid.
2. His own chief medical officer just quit saying the Premier didn't listen to her.
3. At least three members of his own cabinet have quit the party saying he's a dictator.
4. The province is ACTIVELY fighting against the doctor and those looking for the cause of a mysteriious brain injury
5. Homelessness never started HERE until Higgs, not Trudeau. In Moncton there are multiple buildings that could house EVERY homeless person, higgs has literally done nothing.
6. Forcibly amalgamated rural areas that had NO government to being now cash cows for the local villages they are attached to.
7. Overturned a court ruling and gave mining companies the right to test for minerals on ANY unregistered land.
8. Had to admit that the fiscal success in the province was ALL to do with federal immigration and federal money.
9. Not only rejects Cap and Trade but forces us to pay the carbon tax, AND during covid STOLE our carbon tax rebates AND passed legislation to allow Irvings refinery to pass on its carbon tax to consumers.
10. Refused to change the forestry legislation so that the province made NO extra money during covid when lumber prices skyrocketed.
11. Actually lowered royalties even more last year.
12. Is rapidly privatizing healthcare and never implemented ANY plan to get new doctors or nurses til last year.
13. Personally took over negotiations to keep low paid health workers from making TWO dollars more an hour.
14. Did nothing as nurses fled the province for NS and Quebec because wages and benefits were so much better.
15. Infringed charter rights on at least THREE occasions during covid. Had so many protests here that he had to beg the media to not tell people where he was.
Thats just 'off the top of my head'. Our property tax increased a THOUSAND dollars thanks to Higgs. We MADE a little bit of money off the carbon tax and are now in the process of getting an interest free loan to go totally off grid-before Pollievre kills it.
Its well known rural conservatives will vote conesrvative no matter what. Which is ironic because MOST of Higgs worst legislation has been aimed at his own base.
Oh yeah, our town has TWO bridges out and has for THREE years. Thats how long it takes Higgs to do anyting.
Not sure about Irving, but we don't "all hate" Higgs. Most of his policies are sound. At least compared to other politicians...
@@robo6118 Well, youtube keeps deleting my comments, but I'll just ask what policies you refer to. I've yet to see ONE.
I dont want to speak for you, but his recent support was politically orchestrated. Three years ago he okayed regulations on gender identity in schools. Now an election is comeing and they are worried about the Peoples Alliance and they trot out the "family rights" crap. None of which was constitutional, and virtually ALL of which has been rolled back by the courts, or is in the process of being so now.
So that was clearly 'virtue signalling', so what OTHER policy would you be referring to?
Interesting podcast, thank you. I've read 2 books about this family. A large fish in a small pond, they monopolized the business climate and leveraged to their advantage, staying within their core.
As a saint johner I can't escape irving they're everywhere omg
The Spraying of Glysophate on his timber land needs to stop
OUR timber land, not Irvings.
@@BingBingersonis it yours if he owns it
Great piece of investigative journalism.
NB's own Evil Empire.
They don't call it Canada's only "company" province for nothing. I’m sure there are many that would have done more than Irving has done for Saint John and NB if it wasn’t for the Irvings muscling out competition. How on earth could anyone do more than the Irvings have done in a captured state situation in which a family essentially takes over making policy for government and its tax regime just like we saw in Eastern Europe.
I have a friend who works for Irving, he has told me that Irving Oil has already been sold, to a very large petroleum company in France. That this was the reason why the Irving family members are no longer on the board. He also stated that they are waiting to make the announcement to make it official at the Irving’s family’s request.
lol you have no idea what your talking about💀
So much information, thanks buddy
Very informative look behind the curtain!
Why does Nb pay the most for gas anywhere in Canada?
Believe it or not, gas is sold to every province at the same rate. The difference is the taxes each province imposes on the gas so to get your answer you have to ask the NB government.
Actually it USED to pay one of the cheapest because gas USED to be regulated before Higgs. Quebec still pays higher gas prices, as does PEI and Nova Scotia 'generally', but gas prices depend on local players as well. Some cities have more competition than others. BC pretty sure has MUCH higher prices as well, particularly around Vancouver where there is the transit tax. Northern ontario pays similar prices as well.
For those who don't know, last year Higgs brought in legislation to allow Irving to pass off the federal carbon tax that was designed specifically for refineries, onto us. Even ontario doesn't allow them to do that. And of course the carbon tax is a provincial choice, we could have a cap and trade program where IRving would be paying most of the cost like in Quebec.
Gas is often cheaper at independants and on the east coast where they buy from the Ultramar refinery.
They don't
Same as here in Alberta why don't we have the lowest fuel prices in Canada
@@jeffsutton950 thats 'the market' for you.
In the 1990s when irving was freely clearcutting 24/7 in s/w nova scotia they eventually came w/i 1 mile of a quiet rural religious group.
The group asked if irving might be willing to cease night time operations.
Irving refused.
The religious group then moved out west.
shows the character of a IRVING to ex-communicate their son Ken after self-harm/attempt suicide. ruthless
Sounds like Kenneth found his soul and the guilt of the company weighed on him heavily.
If this is true, he could be the one to right all the wrongs.
Answers so many of my questions about NB after moving here from ON
I WORKED ON IRVING OIL REFINERY EXTENSION 1974/75 WE LIVED UP BY THE TOP OF MOUNT PLEASANT AVENUE WE CAME OVER FROM THE U.K. WE WERE LOOKED AFTER VERY WELL .THE PEOPLE OF SAINT JOHN WERE VERY FRIENDLY .WE USED TO GO TO THE X.L. CLUB AND THE LEGION IN CHARLOTTE STREET VERY COLD WINTER BUT GOOD MEMORY
Thanks for the story, but you need not yell it my friend.
Man you could make a series about lowkey canadian families and groups that control small ( and large) areas of canada.
If any friends from NB see this, please demand action from your local governments one way or another. First it's Irving owning New Brunswick, next it's Rogers owning all of Canada... Something needs to be done.
What exactly would you do?
Westons and Bronfmans say hold my beer..
Lol what's the government gonna do
Take another check from Irving and pretend it is not happening, of course.
Love this man been rrl intrested since I moved to Nova Scotia and visited st john this was put together beautifully loved it 👍👍
There spraying glyphosate around the turtle creek reservoir poisoned me and now I have the mysterious brain disease, that’s what Irving does to New Brunswickers!!! #Glyphogate #glyphosate
And the Higgs closed the investigation in this disease.
They're the reason NB's struggling so much
NB were very lucky to have had Irving for all those years.
@@garytibo lol
Correction, the largest oil refinery on the CONTINENT. They also are the largest private landowners in Maine now, and 'coincidentally' Maine has been fighting Hydro Quebec's attempt to bring Quebec hydro lines through northern quebec. Interesting how gleeful many NBers at just the prospect of an oil pipeline that would really do nothing for us, but in Maine they can't get just a line of power poles.
For another video, might be worth investigating something I've wondered about for years. Quebec has been trying to get more hydro to Maine for DECADES to sell. It has SO much power that NB should really need NO power production.
From what I've heard, they need only to upgrade some transmission lines. Thats it Then get cheap ppwer from Quebec. Yet we don't. Weirdly enough, Quebec is SO desperate to get hydro lines through northern quebec that they going to court to overturn a state wide referenda. Meaning, they are pretty desperate.
So one could ask, wouldn't THEY pay to upgrade power lines in New Brunswick in order to access southern Maine? Wouldnt THEY agree to sell us cheap power in order to provide access to Maine?
I don't know the answers to these because literally NO media organization ever even mentions it. The last mention I heard about hydro, was when CBC reported that NBPower has an agreement to pay Irving to buy power from them, whether they need it or not.
That was YEARS ago.
That is a very freaking good point. Wtf are we doing here!!!!!
Their not even in the top ten refineries on the continent. Marathon Petroleum at Galveston Refinery in TX is double the barrel capacity of Irving and there are 9 other TX and LA refineries in the US much larger than Irving.
When I travelled to NB, I was so shock that everything was own by Irving. From oil, to transport , to hardware stores, food chain. You can’t beat them as they own everything.
I was born and raised here, and it's all true. Our government has been utterly corrupted by them for over half a century, and is now heavily in debt despite having some of the richest and most accessible resources in the country.
Same thing has been happening across Canada for 150 years.
@@alstewart1186 Only a small portion actually, most of it is still utterly uninhabited
@@MrLoobu I'm referring to the siphoning off of Canada's natural resource wealth by a relatively small number of people and corporations.
@@alstewart1186 Oh, well that's the world.
@@MrLoobu Are you one of the Irvings posing as MrLoobu?
Now I understand why they got the contract to build Canada new navy fleet. What I got from this documentary is that IRVING needs a competitor in the game of resources in New Brunswick!!!
Following the script of capitalistic dominance.
There is a big difference between monopoly capitalism and the free market system. Please don't confuse one with the other.
There were days when going outside that I'd literally taste the air with oil and God knows what else. The stench was putrid when the air blew north or west. If I were the mayor I'd say GET! Then maybe the smaller businesses would come back and flourish.
I'm from the Maritimes, and I've been wondering forr years why the East Coast had such high rates of cancer. With all of the carcinogens Irving uses, it makes sense now.
interesting video and perspective on the Irvings. I wish they would have also listed the Irving philanthropy in NB as well. akk companies tax advantage of tax loop holes and weak governments. Stalantis and Volkswagen just accomplished the same thing. The list of companies who lobby government for favorable deals is very long.
Do one on Macangus' from Manitoba. It'd be nice for us Canadians to learn what's really at the core of our countries Provincial Corruption.
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@@williamthiessen7413 😂And a Thiessen chimes in with the '??'😂The family that partnered with them to build what I'm alluding too😂
great video!
Thanks for the Canadian content. It’s good to know who are over lords are
Working at the Irving Center of Columbia University in New York was to me an actually wonderful experience because loving and doing is part of how I was raced all my life. Building the first prototype of my patent started to happen round that time in New York. It was year 1998-1999 and today it is clear that my patents and inventions can be used to generate hydrogen inexpensively. In 2010, I ran for the US Congress as Independent with the motto GRAVITY BUOYANCY Solutions...Let's help make a smooth transition in the gas stations from oil into hydrogen.
kC was a good friend of my father’s family, starting in his high school days. I knew him in my growing up years and never saw the side of him that I learned later. What I can say is when my dad was I’ll, KC was there to help. For that I have been truly grateful.
Sure, they'll be good to their friends. But they get the resources to do that by fucking over everyone else.
@@Qaeta I bet all the thousands of employees,contractors and companies that benefit from the Irvings in the province may disagree.
10/10 video, the one thing you missed is KC opened the refinery with the help of Standard Oil, so you can presume where he got alot of his tips and tricks from.
My uncle has a farm just outside of Fredericton and every year when i visit i can see the forest change cause irving logs closer and closer to the property line… i hate them
The Irving truck stops are extremely clean and the restaurant food is good
All of canada is structured like this to some degree.
Not this bad. Every NB Prime Minister has vacated at their private lodge.
I remember I visited the NB legislature has a kid. The MLA for Saint-Quentin and Kedgwick asked the government to provide some type of financing for the local sawmill. The next day in the news headline Irving had bought it.
Yet Irving receives government funds all the time. The log most of the Crown land for pennies. The government gifts them the tree to plant back. Heck they even partake in the dubbed most generous tax benefit by Canada Taxpayers Association. They received hundreds of thousands of dollars because they once operated a hydro plant. The electricity rates are way lower for commercial operations.
Heck another one for you. Provinces now tax environmental clean ups in gas. Most provinces set it at 2 to 4 cents well Higgs set it at 8 cents in NB. Barely any headlines were made about it. Because the money goes to the companies. We are now paying companies to clean themselves and we pay the most in NB.
Municipal, provincial and federal ineptitude are more to blame than a company that inevitably exploits the desperation caused by their fiscal stupidity. If it wasn’t Irving it would be someone else.
someday we shall be free from the yoke of tyrants
In your dream...business is a corrupts thing and will be there forever.
Not just NB. I was on wikepedia and they own Cavendish too... So all of PEI basically.
I was shocked at the dominance last year.. scary
Great documentary. Thanks.
The chief of the New Brunswick woods has passed away at the age of 98
If this information is objective and true, very informative and interesting documentary.
It only scratches the surface. It's actually much worse.
That’s not even the half of it , if you live in NB you know
They also have the provincial government in their pockets
Don’t forget to mention the joint
McCain. Irving handshake deals
There is no love between the two
Same thing in PEI they buy every farm they can get to control the market
I live in Saint John, we've got an intersection here that has a crude oil rail car offloading facility on one side, and a Tim Hortons on the other side, the Tim Hortons pays more property tax than the offloading facility, which is five times the size. They are evil overall, but they put profit over everything else, especially the people of New Brunswick. But the Empire is crumbling, they're into the third generation now and these last few generations have grown up ultra wealthy and out of touch. Allegedly the Refinery is being or is sold and the various companies may be goign public.
KC has it stipulaed in his will that nothing is to be sold for fifty years after his death. But then there are ways around it. Irving bought a refinery in Ireland during covid, and word was this was to be able to blackmail NB like they do with the pulp mill. When they want something, they just talk about the tax deals they could get in Quebec and the governmetn caves, not that they'd fight much anyway.
But the 'rumour' about the refiniery was likely because they didn't like some press.
I could be wrong, but I thought the facility was built on land owned by DP World which runs the port facilities.
@@ironmikekendall2506 Ironically the chinese would probably have more employment there. This is why nationalization of oil makes perfect sense. Laragely the OWNERSHIP means little in the operations. As I've said, Saudi Arabian government OWNS the second largest corporation in the world, which is an oil company. Its as nationalized as Venezuela, who for some reason we blame their ownership of the oil on why their economy is crap.
And yet Saudi Arabia gets a BILLION dollars a day in PROFIT from its 'investment' in oil. Thats 365 billion a YEAR. Which would pretty much mean we'd never have to pay income taxes again.
@@ironmikekendall2506 more likely Suncor
@@ironmikekendall2506 doubt it, the refinery produces oil and fuel for all of the companies the other Irving family members run. It will just get “sold” to someone else in the family.
Cue Empirical March
Imperial March.
Same difference, still imperious and shitty of them to do to NB
This is a pretty biaised story, from a Texas’ news organization
It fails to say the Irving family has provided many generations of New Brunswick residents with the dignity of a steady and rewarding carreer, the ability to save for a dignified retirement and consistently invested in the development of industry and peoples in New Brunswick. Are they perfect? No of course. But we don’t need a subject matter lesson from our friends in Texas. Look in your own backyard and let us deal with the Irving legacy as we please.
Hello from fredericton,NB !
Being from N.B, I can say that I was so happy the day I left. Beautiful provide nice but as corrupt as it gets. Btw, all corporations avoid paying taxes and use their influence on municipal governments to get their way.
And now you know why crude oil from Alberta is not welcome in New Brunswick, better to bring it in from Saudi Arabia and Nigeria in big oil tankers.
Ya could you imagine if Canada could mine and refine it's own oil without going through a separate country? It would be awful. What would we do with all that money. Feed the kids and cover the cost of every child to go to daycare. Build actual training facilities to teach trades to homeless people with actual temporary housing that isn't a crap shack. Build a few railways across Canada to ease access of the transportation of foods and goods to northern Canada who desperately need it. Boosting tourism with several Trans Canada trains showcasing all the different aspects to Canada. Making disgusting amounts of tourism money with the best of the best passenger trains gliding through the literal untold beauty of wild Canada. Phhh sounds stupid and unreasonable.
There are too many monopolies in Canada. They should be broken up. Rogers, Irving’s, Weston’s, etc, etc…. It’s not good for consumers or citizens to have these concentrations of power.
They killed all of the deer and birds spray in the trees.
They do the ship maintenance in Halifax and man they are bad
The discharges by the papermill isn't really uncommon or the companies fault. Its been known to happen with just about every paper mill I have worked at here in Maine. Normally its when the treatment plant gets overwhelmed due to major rainfall causing a major untreated discharge.
Its called the Internet.you cant stop it
Not only the poorest, but pay the most in gas, food, you name it. No breaks in NB.
Folks, always, always, always, always, always... FOLLOW THE MONEY! About everything!
Umm didnt the «irvings also do some shipping into the USA during Prohibition.. Family has been dubious since a long time ago..
The Bronfman family certainly did. Then again my grandad was rumrunning on Lake Erie at the time, he was a poor fisherman though, not a Canadian robber baron.
And who owns their refinery now? No media stories on that sale.
Thank you to the Irving's for choosing this otherwise economically dead place to create the successful economic hub that it is today. No one else has fed and looked after the families of this otherwise poverty-stricken province, and put NB on the map.
They are the only reason anyone has anything to say at all when it comes to life in this province, there would otherwise be no news, and no one would care. A true win-win, and for many families who are trapped here, they are the only hope.
Bro you ate the whole ass boot
@@williambaird2594 take a look at northern NB or anything up that way. They lost all of their papermills, mines, and industry the companies responsible for those sites left much bigger messes for the government to clean up and rode the communities harder than Irving ever did.
One oil refinery and timber isn’t gonna overcome the wealth that provinces make through multi billion dollar business packed into one downtown
Thank You for telling the awful truth about my neck of the woods but I have ask who is Spoke Media???
Irvings, Thompsons, Bronfmans. All cut from thr same cloth.
That’s brutal. What they’re doing should be made illegal. Close the tax loopholes
I remember those Irving plastic brown coffee cup . It had two sided tape to stick on the dash for the cup holder. This was back in 89 . CHINA I WOULD IMAGINE COULD BUY IRVING CASH.
...I've got one of those, with the sticky pad on the holder still covered. Never been used.
YO Trivelle Simpson and Ryan Forneri how do I get in touch with you?
Left all that years ago back there
I live in Saint John and its unbelievably disgusting on how the Irving's have manipulated and taken from New Brunswick. The amount of illegal chemical dumping into the bay of fundy and the toxic substances the Irving's buried in the Irving nature park killing Acres of park land and positioning ground water. Irving's clear cutting is still happening today as well as dumping pulp and paper factory run off in to the bay of fundy. We are suffering and more and more people are the working poor. Not able to keep lights on or food on the table
They also own midland transport
This is true story here folks
Sounds like Cargill in Saskatchewan
Yeah the by products of oil production leads to a load of toxic grease and it's understandable that no one else would want such a region.
And know that own a carwash brand in Ontario named Halo Car Wash
My dad never bought Irving gas ever since 1960s
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We are lucky/ fortunate, in New Brunswick to have some with the non alcoholic drive of making things bigger and better ! He dragged UP a lot lot of people , kicking and screaming, by the boot straps. They left this world and province, a better place !!!
Interesting video, but there's no good reason to hard-subtitle a video on TH-cam. And if you must, then please learn how an apostrophe works. Hint: if you're using it to make something plural, you're doing it wrong.
Say what you want about Irving, but I can't complain. A good friend of mine worked for them less than a year and during that time he passed away unexpectedly from complications following a routine medical procedure. Which it couldn't have happened at a worst time. He was in the middle of renovating his house among several other things which were going on in his life. Irving made sure his family was taken care of and I believe have remained in contact with his family.
Really? What were their names? Those are the kinds of stories that always pop up in stories about Irving . "Oh I knew a guy who was sick, and they drove him four hours to the hospital and took care of them".
Really? Which Irving? Thats odd because I know somebody who had a job interview with their trucking firm, and at the interview they were asked if they could fire a trucker who was ten minutes late, because that was part of the job.
That sure doesn't sound like a company you refer to. I worked for them for less than a year, they had no idea who I was, and certainly wouldn't have, what, actually paid his salary while he was in the hospital and not working?
Those are the "Irving myth" stories like "they always ate at Mcdonalds" and "were the first ones in and the last ones to leave" kind of crap. And two of the three sons are dead, and Jim runs the refinery, which had a brutal lockout of workers so certainly was not 'making sure hteir families were ok".
@@mikearchibald744 David Bernier, worked for EMR until his passing last spring. In the past they have also done things such as loan the passenger cars they have to MNR to run charity excursions with the goal of raising money for cancer treatments for a conductors kid, which they matched what was raised from ticket sales.
As for your “friend” who supposedly interviewed there, I don’t necessarily buy that story. What trucking firm? Did he get hired? Was that a question a character question or an actual question? Considering the same people who run the trucking company oversee the railroad and I know for a fact that being late isn’t taken that strict there, considering there was one guy who was consistently 30minutes to an hour late for work, and it took a year of his managers warning him and such before they finally decided to terminate him. But overall it sounds like if anything you are more of the disgruntled type of anything.
AFAIK Jim has nothing to do with IOC, he owns JDI.
@@mikearchibald744 I guess @main_railfan has forgotten the name of his good friend. And IF this story is true at all, that good friend probably was the depute CEO or something other function among the high brass.
Was he union? Thank the union. Otherwise, Irving didn’t do anything beyond what the law mandates, I guarantee it.
@@Cursalock The railroad isn't union. I could be wrong, but I don't think any of the JDI companies are union.
I can't wait for a government with some backbone. Where as soon as they threaten to go, they turn around and say "OK, leave".
Someone needs to call their bluff. They aren't able to give their operations anywhere else without being outcompeted and they know it.
This scared tactic is old hat. It's time for the chickens to come home to roost.
Generally I give kudos to anyone who can get the better of government. This just shows the poor calibre of people in government.
are you from the place that smells like chemicals every day because you live next to the paper mill mentioned in the video if not then pipe down lil bro
I prefer to call Higgs by his more affectionate name, Higgler
Scary
THEY STARTED IN MY TOWN? WHAT
Well they still kept many warm,they probably sent oil overseas during war times,and help build our ships in our navy today,they also donate to many childrens support groups,scouts,sports,after school programs,employed lots of families with good paying jobs our dollar stretched alot futher back then,that when Canada was awesome,thats the times alot of us Canadians remember,i had and irving right in the bay i could fill the gas tank in my boat,for 20 dollars and play for the next 2 days,fishing and exploring and take my friends along with me,it was fun.
Uh, the oil refinery was built in the early seventies. MOST of the gas is sent to california. They build our ships for the navy because they get the contracts, and they closed the Saint John shipyard and moved shipbuilding to Nova Scotia and now plunder our gypsum which the federal goverment helped pay for. Canada wasn't awesome, you were a kid and bought cheaper gas. Has nothing to do with Irving.
There are tons of good paying jobs out there, you just need training to do them. They can't find enough tradespeople and they make good money. A guy offered me 25 bucks an hour to do lawncare.
You can't go fishing now because there is so much pollution from the sprays. And because oil has heated up the planet that new species of fish are taking over the ecosystem.
When you HAVE billions that you get mostly from resources, you can't pretend to be a philanthropist. Do you know how much more money they made from the ONE policy the province had where we didn't make a penny more in royatlies when lumber prices went through the roof? They TRIPLED and we didn't get one penny more for our trees.
I was diagnosed with cancer, possibly caused by glyphosate spraying. Just sayin'