NASCAR is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Bell violated a rule everyone knew about to keep his advantage and nascar did the right thing. Meanwhile, NASCAR needs to stomp the 1, 3 and 23 into the ground for even having the gall to manipulate a race like they did. They’re not afraid of nascar anymore. They just blatantly say it over the radio and the drivers obeyed because they’re not afraid of them. Suspend all three and don’t even let the cars run at phoenix. The sponsors should take care of the rest.
I have a suggestion, NASCAR needs to suspend drivers and/or teams for a race or two if they do any more manipulations whatsoever. If NASCAR doesn't do anything about that, then this is considered as a joke!
Thank you for finally mentioning the David Gilliand and Joey Logano part of Spingate in a video for once. Obviously their part gets overlooked by what Michael Waltrip Racing did, however I think what MWR did plus what Logano and Gilliand did is the reason why Jeff Gordon got added into the Chase.
Most of these weren't even manipulation. It's a team sport, I want to see the teams work together. There is nothing wrong with holding somebody up or not passing a teammate. I want to see NASCAR allow people to fall back, it's quite entertaining. I found zero race manipulation at Martinsville, 1/3 do not have to pass the 24 under any interpretation of the "100% rule" and if the 23 thinks he has a tire going down, he should be allowed to slow, if not people will drive fast with flats and crash in the future. What the 20 did also doesn't meet the definition of "wall ride". It was a clean race and there shouldn't have been any penalties.
I dont watch Nascar. For some reason TH-cam has just decided im gonna be getting recommended a ton of Nascar and F1 drama videos this week. It is FASCINATING to learn about some of the rules
I believe that the sure way to stop this is to stop teams. Nascar should only allow 1 car per owner and no alliances between other teams. anyone caught breaking these rules should be suspended from nascar and not permitted to be at or inside any nascar track for one year no questions asked. That may be harsh but who or what owner wants to be suspended for a whole year.
How come you don't have the radio from Hendrick with the Bell DQ? Because they were also manipulating the race to get 3 of their cars in. All I've learned from this video is if you drive for "nascar royalty families" you get to do whatever you want. And if you are in a Toyota (ironically, more American than the other 2 manufactures) how dare you do anything wrong. NASCAR and the FIA should really just start hosting races together because they are both trash and have ruined their own series year in. They would rather make a scripted or near scripted soap opera out of the races than just give the tools for good racing. And that's why I'll always watch the NTT Indy Series (which has been nothing short of amazing the last few years) and the IMSA races. I hate that DIffy parted ways to join NASCAR too. Season ender wasn't the same with out his constant panic in voice.
I’m still really pissed the magic man didn’t win, now you see me, now you don’t. I’m British, I know bugger all about NASCAR except tallageda nights. 🤣
@@raven_1133 Bell wouldn’t have been in that position if Dillion or chastain just passed Byron instead of blocking for him. The whole situation is a joke. 1,3 manipulated the race first, then 23 responds by manipulating it himself, what 20 does is wrong, but we can’t be blind to the other stuff that happened. It’s shows bias if the only one walking away with a penalty is Bell.
12:33 Thank you for talking about this one. Of course Nascar wasn't going to punish their "Poster boy". It was obvious he was break checking kevin And Nascar did Nothing guess the 100% rule doesn't apply to the most popular driver.
Dodge was smart to leave NASCAR. The sport was ruined with all of the ridiculous rules changes over the years. Nowadays the rules keep changing to benefit Toyota, put up until Toyota entered NASCAR, They would change the rules anytime general motors couldn't win. Even calling it NASCAR is a joke. None of the cars on the track resemble stock cars in the least.
Well rules are rules I guess. But Bell did ride the wall. With no attempt to get off the wall. He road the wall through turn 3 and turn 4. As far as blocking or judt giving up a spot. Has gone on for decades. This is nothing new. Now this doesnt make it right. Its just the way it is. And today with most of the Chevy's loyal to Hendrick and with Toyota's all being basicly a JGR team. And lets not forget Ford's all being loyal to Penske. My point is, with all these large teams you will never get rid of blocking or giving up a position.
a lapped car on fresher tires getting in front of a car racing for a win and holding him up for several laps on purpose is literally race manip. go somewhere else chase fan
How? Kyle knew there was traffic, he basically tried to pinch Ron down against the lapped car, Ron got loose trying to keep off the lapped car, and they both hit the wall.
This mite seem an odd thing to say but why not go back to the points system like every other motor sport has, the guy with the most points at the end of the season wins the championship
For the New Hampshire race they said they’d call it at a random point much earlier in the race. So it wasn’t as random as it seems. All the teams knew it would happen. Yes it manipulated the race but it wasn’t as bad as it seemed
@@Staysick17I agree Bell got shafted, but it wasn’t Byron who manipulated the race it was Chastain and Dillion, so technically Byron is in the clear. I hope the others 1,3,23 receive fines/penalties for their race manipulation moves.
Talladega 2015, Kevin Harvick became Public Enemy Number 1 to Dale Jr's fanbase when he triggered a late Big One with NASCAR following by giving the race win to Joey Logano (who had already won both of the round's other two races)
If they won’t get rid of the playoffs. Eliminate elimination rounds and a lot of this would go away. And if won’t do that then have 3 3 race series. Wildcard round of 3 semifinal round of 3 and finals round of 3. Put at least 8 cars in finals. Will it solve everything no but it would eliminate a lot of problems
Honestly, nascar fans just love to complain. Anytime someone wrecks someone on a bump n run it’s race manipulation, but oh well that’s nascar. Should logano have his win rescinded because Blaney played blocker a couple weeks back? Should Blaney have been penalized for driving through everyone cuz he couldn’t pass them clean at martinsville? I’m all for the format changing, but let’s not act like any team/driver is innocent of playing the rules to the best of their own advantage, and it will always be that way.
That recent call they did is a full embarrassment to the sport…this now makes me want to switch from this to Formula 1. I don’t care if Verstappen wins every race I will enjoy it more than this joke of a sport 🤬
Formula 1 has had moments of race manipulation as well; the most notable of them are the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix (Nelsinho Piquet intentionally crashes out so that his teammate Fernando Alonso could get the win) and the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix (Race Director Michael Masi only lets the lapped cars in between Max Verstappen and Sir Lewis Hamilton overtake the safety car instead of all of them.)
i don't think hamlin holding up chastain for a couple laps is race manipulation. that's called payback. if it was the last lap, and he did it so another car could pass chastain to make it into the playoffs or something like that, then it would be manipulation.
I'll never blame Harvick for that race at Talladega. Its not his fault these dopes couldn't make it a damn lap without crashing for too many times. His engine made it the race distance and more. Its just another display of how stupid both overtime and playoffs are. If Harvick had done that earlier in the race then you have a legitimate gripe...but in my mind I'm thinking this race was supposed to be over 20 laps ago so screw it.
Fix the number on the car along with the crappy points system and let the shops build the cars like it supposed to be. And fire all the morons in charge.😊
@MMCS07 my 2 cents of course, the real people who like racing actually would like to see a person earn a championship with the season point system. Not something manipulated.
As long as the playoff format is the way it is we are going to continue to see race manipulations like this get more and more blatant
Yep
the whole format is a problem especially with the "you win, you're in"
@ yep. Dumb format
@@MMCS07 NOPE NOT THE REASON IT BEEN HAPPENIG SINCE THE 70'S ITS ALL ON NASCAR FOR NOT PUTTING THRRE FOOT DOWN
@ you are so right
NASCAR is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Bell violated a rule everyone knew about to keep his advantage and nascar did the right thing. Meanwhile, NASCAR needs to stomp the 1, 3 and 23 into the ground for even having the gall to manipulate a race like they did. They’re not afraid of nascar anymore. They just blatantly say it over the radio and the drivers obeyed because they’re not afraid of them. Suspend all three and don’t even let the cars run at phoenix. The sponsors should take care of the rest.
Yesss
I have a suggestion, NASCAR needs to suspend drivers and/or teams for a race or two if they do any more manipulations whatsoever. If NASCAR doesn't do anything about that, then this is considered as a joke!
They are going to do that starting at Daytona in 2025
It makes no sense what they are trying to achieve with all this 🤦♂️
Fr
Seeing Robby Gordon's eyes immediately realize he got caught at Atlanta is still hilarious
Yeah
Thank you for finally mentioning the David Gilliand and Joey Logano part of Spingate in a video for once. Obviously their part gets overlooked by what Michael Waltrip Racing did, however I think what MWR did plus what Logano and Gilliand did is the reason why Jeff Gordon got added into the Chase.
Yep
Listen I love NASCAR as much as the next but sometimes I question my fandom
You're too quick with it and I love it thank you my guy
Your welcome
Most of these weren't even manipulation. It's a team sport, I want to see the teams work together. There is nothing wrong with holding somebody up or not passing a teammate. I want to see NASCAR allow people to fall back, it's quite entertaining. I found zero race manipulation at Martinsville, 1/3 do not have to pass the 24 under any interpretation of the "100% rule" and if the 23 thinks he has a tire going down, he should be allowed to slow, if not people will drive fast with flats and crash in the future. What the 20 did also doesn't meet the definition of "wall ride". It was a clean race and there shouldn't have been any penalties.
When drivers do this not allowed every race again
Nascar is boring AF...THEY NEED A BALLS OUT CLASS WHERE THEY RACE WHAT THEY WANT...IF U WANT TO DO 300MPH THEN GO FOR IT
Talladega 2015 is NASCAR’s equivalent of Crashgate.
Death, taxes and cheating in NASCAR
Lol
And it's all because of greed and that's a fact
Wake up! Stock car racing has always been this way across the Country. Blatent cheating should be penalized, otherwise leave the sport alone.
I have called it staged racing since it was invented. It's also why I don't watch Nascar anymore.
meanwhile in F1, position swaps are key to winning championships. Ask Max and Checo or Oscar and Lando right now.
Harvick 2000 IQ move tbh
They were always gonna crash anyway 😂
What we saw against Parker was the clearest view of what NASCAR is today. That was disgusting. This sport shouldn't have betting.
I dont watch Nascar. For some reason TH-cam has just decided im gonna be getting recommended a ton of Nascar and F1 drama videos this week.
It is FASCINATING to learn about some of the rules
These days racing drivers will do anything to win. It's bad sportsmanship but unfortunately they see it's okay to do such things and not get penalized
I was at that New Hampshire race when it was shortened because it was getting dark the camera doesn't do it justice it was dark when that race ended
Greg Biffle wasn't a championship contender in 2004. Jeremy Mayfield & Tony Stewart who were caught up in the accident were...
Biffle is a huge hero in my eyes now. He used his helicopter to save people, delivery supplies and do search and rescue
I believe that the sure way to stop this is to stop teams. Nascar should only allow 1 car per owner and no alliances between other teams. anyone caught breaking these rules should be suspended from nascar and not permitted to be at or inside any nascar track for one year no questions asked. That may be harsh but who or what owner wants to be suspended for a whole year.
Yeah
All sports in this country are fixed it all started with boxing
To this day I firmly believe that Bell did not try to recreate the Ross move. He just over drove the corner and then hit the wall. But that’s the past
How come you don't have the radio from Hendrick with the Bell DQ? Because they were also manipulating the race to get 3 of their cars in. All I've learned from this video is if you drive for "nascar royalty families" you get to do whatever you want. And if you are in a Toyota (ironically, more American than the other 2 manufactures) how dare you do anything wrong. NASCAR and the FIA should really just start hosting races together because they are both trash and have ruined their own series year in. They would rather make a scripted or near scripted soap opera out of the races than just give the tools for good racing. And that's why I'll always watch the NTT Indy Series (which has been nothing short of amazing the last few years) and the IMSA races. I hate that DIffy parted ways to join NASCAR too. Season ender wasn't the same with out his constant panic in voice.
Right
Nascar became a joke over 10 years ago.
I’m still pissed about the 2015 Talladega fall race where Jr was seconds from winning but Harvick was throwing tantrums
I’m still really pissed the magic man didn’t win, now you see me, now you don’t. I’m British, I know bugger all about NASCAR except tallageda nights. 🤣
People it's show, entertainment, business ,money it's not meant to be fair
Yep, just like every other sport!!!
14:29 I like how people are trying to defend this. It’s against the rules, you can literally see Bell gas it up.
@@raven_1133 Bell wouldn’t have been in that position if Dillion or chastain just passed Byron instead of blocking for him. The whole situation is a joke. 1,3 manipulated the race first, then 23 responds by manipulating it himself, what 20 does is wrong, but we can’t be blind to the other stuff that happened. It’s shows bias if the only one walking away with a penalty is Bell.
So if a driver loses control gets into the wall and skims around it the should be disqualified
@@raymondhoffman4371
@@raymondhoffman4371nope
@@raymondhoffman4371 No. He intentionally gassed it up once he got in the wall to not lose positions or to try and gain some.
12:33 Thank you for talking about this one. Of course Nascar wasn't going to punish their "Poster boy". It was obvious he was break checking kevin And Nascar did Nothing guess the 100% rule doesn't apply to the most popular driver.
Are you dumb. Harvick manipulated the first by purposely cutting Chase's tire. Chase wasn't penalized bc he only got even.
Nailed it
Dodge was smart to leave NASCAR. The sport was ruined with all of the ridiculous rules changes over the years. Nowadays the rules keep changing to benefit Toyota, put up until Toyota entered NASCAR, They would change the rules anytime general motors couldn't win. Even calling it NASCAR is a joke. None of the cars on the track resemble stock cars in the least.
They favor Chevy. Hendrick team
Christopher Bell: ima just pull a “HAIL MELON” rq no problem
Well rules are rules I guess. But Bell did ride the wall. With no attempt to get off the wall. He road the wall through turn 3 and turn 4. As far as blocking or judt giving up a spot. Has gone on for decades. This is nothing new. Now this doesnt make it right. Its just the way it is. And today with most of the Chevy's loyal to Hendrick and with Toyota's all being basicly a JGR team. And lets not forget Ford's all being loyal to Penske. My point is, with all these large teams you will never get rid of blocking or giving up a position.
"no attempt to get off it"
i dont think you know how racing works. top of that track is marbles by that point dude.
I dont think the Elliott Harvick thing is race manipulation. Chase was pissed and Harvick was hus target for revenge
a lapped car on fresher tires getting in front of a car racing for a win and holding him up for several laps on purpose is literally race manip. go somewhere else chase fan
I mean Ron kinda had that one coming for shoving Busch into the wall 😂
How? Kyle knew there was traffic, he basically tried to pinch Ron down against the lapped car, Ron got loose trying to keep off the lapped car, and they both hit the wall.
@cameronchesters5300 He pushed him into the wall and he retailed deserved.
@TophatRaptor_ thanks to Kyle pinching him that hard against the lapped car.
@cameronchesters5300 Tf you mean he was nowhere near a lap car bro.
@TophatRaptor_ I mean did you not see tbe guy down on the bottom that both Ron and Kyle were trying to lap on the outside?
Clint Bowyer did NOT spin intentionally! He had a right front tire failure!
The recently finished race was bullshit
Yep
banger vid
Thanks
The playoff format sucks ass. That’s all I’ve got say for now
This mite seem an odd thing to say but why not go back to the points system like every other motor sport has, the guy with the most points at the end of the season wins the championship
Yeesss
Dale Slides Turn 1 9:36
Wow what ever inspired the making of this video?
This past Sunday. Hendrick never gets penalized
Fine 23xi, JGR, toyota, Hendrick, Trackhouse, RCR, and chevy. Maybe they'll learn after a massive fine.
Yes. Chevy should be docked owner points
Funny part with Bell, Bubba was letting him by, lol he ruined a given spot
True dat!
For the New Hampshire race they said they’d call it at a random point much earlier in the race. So it wasn’t as random as it seems. All the teams knew it would happen. Yes it manipulated the race but it wasn’t as bad as it seemed
Bubba did it too. No direct orders from Byron. Can't change the final 4
That race was 💩 Byron didn’t earn his way in Chevy did
@@Staysick17I agree Bell got shafted, but it wasn’t Byron who manipulated the race it was Chastain and Dillion, so technically Byron is in the clear. I hope the others 1,3,23 receive fines/penalties for their race manipulation moves.
Talladega 2015, Kevin Harvick became Public Enemy Number 1 to Dale Jr's fanbase when he triggered a late Big One with NASCAR following by giving the race win to Joey Logano (who had already won both of the round's other two races)
Ryan Blaney Won Martinsville 2020 14:20
This has been going on since the beginning of NASCAR. Stop crying about it.
I dont see a problem with what they did in martinsville. Except riding the wall
I hated that one at the end with Byron and his blockers. If they hadn't pulled that bullshit, Bell might not have needed to make that risky stunt.
Yup
Jack Roush would pull that with Kenneth and Busch. No one batted an eyelash.
Yup
Seems times doesn’t change the #22 still cheating
Yeah
Nascar is a big joke don't watch. It anymore couldn't pay to watch a race
Kevin harvick tallegeda
NASCAR Rigged Race Manipulation Moments
NASCAR Rigged Race Manipulation Moments
NASCAR Rigged “why are you commenting this” Moments
If they won’t get rid of the playoffs. Eliminate elimination rounds and a lot of this would go away. And if won’t do that then have 3 3 race series. Wildcard round of 3 semifinal round of 3 and finals round of 3. Put at least 8 cars in finals. Will it solve everything no but it would eliminate a lot of problems
Alot of manipulation over the years
Yep
Honestly, nascar fans just love to complain. Anytime someone wrecks someone on a bump n run it’s race manipulation, but oh well that’s nascar. Should logano have his win rescinded because Blaney played blocker a couple weeks back? Should Blaney have been penalized for driving through everyone cuz he couldn’t pass them clean at martinsville? I’m all for the format changing, but let’s not act like any team/driver is innocent of playing the rules to the best of their own advantage, and it will always be that way.
Of course its fixed. All sports are rigged and you can thank all the betting agencies for that. If you can put a bet on a sport, its fixed.
That recent call they did is a full embarrassment to the sport…this now makes me want to switch from this to Formula 1. I don’t care if Verstappen wins every race I will enjoy it more than this joke of a sport 🤬
@@SUPRA23XI don’t let the door hit ya on the way out
youre gonna hate it more since team orders are standard practice out there.
Wait for Indycar, IMSA, or WEC to start again. Those three are currently the best competition around imo.
In F1 the FIA lets teams switch spots on track, which changes the outcome of the race/sprint.
Formula 1 has had moments of race manipulation as well; the most notable of them are the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix (Nelsinho Piquet intentionally crashes out so that his teammate Fernando Alonso could get the win) and the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix (Race Director Michael Masi only lets the lapped cars in between Max Verstappen and Sir Lewis Hamilton overtake the safety car instead of all of them.)
Kyle Busch is a punk.
Nah
Yeah
Nah, op just sounds like a,bit..
One ought not scrutinize Nascar thus its frowned upon
Lol
How exactly is not letting someone pass race manipulation? Thats the idea of racing.
Because all they Chevy stayed behind Bryon and never tried to pass. The #3 said on the radio does the 1 know the plan?
dumb comment
blocking isnt against the rules in cup.
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As long as it benefits Chevrolet its all good for NASCAR.
Kilgerman was still robbed
Yes he was
No matter how bad some of the drivers are now, Robby Gordon will always be the clown of NASCAR.
Lol
If you didn't know that then ur still a baby
There is plenty of other real racing to watch .
timing
bubba is fifa
To much political BS in NASCAR let them race
i don't think hamlin holding up chastain for a couple laps is race manipulation. that's called payback. if it was the last lap, and he did it so another car could pass chastain to make it into the playoffs or something like that, then it would be manipulation.
Bubba cheating lol
Nah
Im done watching
I'll never blame Harvick for that race at Talladega.
Its not his fault these dopes couldn't make it a damn lap without crashing for too many times.
His engine made it the race distance and more.
Its just another display of how stupid both overtime and playoffs are.
If Harvick had done that earlier in the race then you have a legitimate gripe...but in my mind I'm thinking this race was supposed to be over 20 laps ago so screw it.
@@Posirep that 2015 Dega race was ridiculous. Should've seen something worse coming. Oh yeah, yesterday
IIRC Harvick was stuck in 4th gear
Bubba Wallace is an embarrassment.
Nah
@@MMCS07 YES.
out of all these drivers in the video, i wonder why you chose bubba....hmmmm
Crybaby hamlin will never be championship hahahaha
Nascar sucks, I quit watching when they started the stages in racing.
I don't blame you
This playoff format is garbage as well
Sundays race ends and there is race manip-
MMCS- "NASCARS TOP 10 RACE MANIPULATION MOMENTS!" + this weeks race
Yeah
Nascar.... haha. Lame and boring
No
Fix the number on the car along with the crappy points system and let the shops build the cars like it supposed to be. And fire all the morons in charge.😊
Yesss
@MMCS07 my 2 cents of course, the real people who like racing actually would like to see a person earn a championship with the season point system. Not something manipulated.
@@joshuaburkhart7690no, dont. The number is sexy.