Shanahan’s problem with special teams is the same problem with the rest of his coaching. He is constantly coaching to not lose instead of coaching to win. I don’t believe he was always that way.
Sometimes when some coaches go from O.C. to being responsible for the whole team it changes the way they approach certain situations. Kyle did seem to be more aggressive as an O.C. but he also had guys like Andre Johnson and Julio Jones ( we don't have anything close to those guys) and wasn't responsible for the whole team. Something similar happened to Brian Billick in Baltimore.
2 super-bowl appearances and 4 NFC championship games and yet, it’s Kyle’s fault? Y’all are Madden dorks. 9er fandom and all the new coaches sitting on their sofa’s has become so comical. Absolute dorks.
David do you think you could put all your videos on Spotify? Most other podcasts and niners youtubers have all their longform content on there. It would be super helpful to us Spotify listeners:) I see you put certain videos but not all
It appears from this discussion that both Dave + Tim (somehow!) missed Lynch's and Shanahan's response. I didn’t get that KS was “flustered” or “defensive” at all. And no, I don’t think KS “changed his tune” after Lynch did his “stabilizing”. He simply stated the obvious. So obvious that even I, 49er fan since 1961 and Kezar, wrote about it before the presser! In fact, I’m pretty confident, based on their past performance, that neither Shanahan or Lynch were even surprised by the ST questions. That they were prepared. Call it “pre-stabilized”. Breaking: The 49ers have staffers that read media and SM posts. Shanahan and Lynch's response was not, as Tim said, an "admission" that he was "right" (that "as widely noted”…”offhand comments" have claimed "Shanahan doesn't pay attention to special teams"). Or, as Dave put it, has “downplayed” ST. It was an acknowledgement and statement of the obvious - that 49ers ST sucked and that something had to change. “I do think it’s an avenue we can get better in.” KS’s very words. As I listen to Tim I’m seriously trying to figure out what “commitment” and “caring” looks, feels like and means to him. Let’s re-cap what the 49ers have done: Hiring Schneider away from Seattle to replace Hightower; A kicker in the 3rd; a punter in the 4th; making trades and salary cap investments in ST specialists, including returners. As someone who professionally understands organization, culture, structure, delegation, accountability and performance it’s hard to make sense of the responses given actions taken. And is the standard of being a good NFL head coach now really riding on weather or not he personally attends or watches kickers and punters practice or their tryouts or ST practices? Or attend kickoff drills? Oh, wait - aren’t there video records of each and every kick, play (game and practice) from multiple angles? And I know it's cute to cite how Belichick loved talking about long-snapping. Hey, I love long-snappers. Hell, I love holders, and the loss of Mitch was huge and not covered at all. But the reality is that when push comes to shove even Belichick had a phrase that encapsulates his primary focus, one that he used for both players and coaches: "Do your job." Both 49ers coaches and players have not/did not. Hence the changes. And please tell me that I’m not the only one who discerns a sense of humor with KS when answering Q’s about replacement kickers like Wright or punters like Connolly? Tim says he does - “the joking is a part of it…” - but by his answers - “he knows that I know that I’m right…” - I’m not so sure he really does. And I like both Tim and Dave, if that matters. btw, who remembers Mitch calling his own number (!) on a fake punt vs Seattle in 2023? Anybody? Just checking...
I don't think the wide 9 has to be abandoned. It is excellent on passing downs. Play conventional line formations on early downs, then play the wide 9 on passing downs. The defense has to be more adaptable.
Does Democo want Greenlaw? Did he promise Greenlaw a favorable contract? Is that why Dre bought a home in Texas two weeks ago? I hope he returns, but the tea leaves say otherwise.
Same thing happened with Aiyuk last year. After the season ended, I think it was his friend who tweeted that he was out. And then the video of him talking to Daniels and saying the Niners didn’t want him. Praying that we sign Dre to a new deal.
Wilkes and sorenson had the 49ers blitzing on 3 downs! That I can remember the defense never blitz much! When they was in the 3-4 defense it was a lot better fit for the personnel that they had. Not many RBs have ran 100+ yards on the Niners defense like they do now. Salahs not coming back as a coordinator unless the offer him something he can’t resist. HC is where the money is
I still think, what’s the purpose of a ST coach if I hv to watch them kick??? A HC has better things to do. So for Kyle, ok you want a real good kicker? Let’s get a really good kicker, During the 3rd round and another 4th round Punter. Weird that if he has a say so you people will say he’s has issue with trust and he micro manages. a director doesn’t need to do a job of a manager. If other HC is very very involved good for them. But it doesn’t make Kyle a bad coach or makes him the reason for the ST messing up because that’s a combination of being good at the job, discipline and players being TOO comfortable.
Sorensen my be a nice guy, but that doesn’t make him an effective coach. Let him be the “Ball Father” if we have to. But someone better recognize that he doesn’t have the juice to lead any player component of our team. A real Special Teams coach is what we need. That everyone who has seen our performance can see this and management appears reluctant to accept is baffling.
I said the same thing somehow the falcons lost in the Super Bowl is always attributed to Kyle shanahan. The defensive coordinator doesn't get any black for the fact that Tom Brady even came back in that game and the head coach doesn't get any blame at all
Yes, the HC Should have overridden KS. Falcons had just completed a pass to Julio to put the Falcons in FG range late. They should have run, or better yet knelt, three times and then kicked the FG that would have sealed the game.
@brettwheeler7753 but unfortunately he didn't and Kyle isn't to blame for them losing in the Super Bowl. It's a team effort so you can't just sit there and point to Kyle is being the reason why they lost if the falcons defense allow the Patriots to come back in that game in the first place.
@brettwheeler7753 what would the head coach of overridden him on. I'm just curious because the falcons head coach was a defensive coordinator previously which is the reason why he had Kyle in the first place because he doesn't have a mind for offense
@@brettwheeler7753Dan Quinn also called the same cover 3 look that let a RB (James White) set a SB record for receptions. No adjustments. A total team effort is required for a collapse of that magnitude.
ATL OC - K.Shanahan was given all the publicity for resurrecting QB M.Ryan and labeled an "Offensive Genius" going into the 2016 Superbowl. They were up 28-3 over the Patriots late in the 3rd quarter. All Shanahan needed to do was kick a FG and the game wouldn't have made it to O/T. I was rooting for the Falcons (M. Ryan and K.Shanahan) because I was anti-Patriots. They failed to make it across midfield in the second half of that Superbowl after they scored early in the 3rd quarter TD. The pattern continued with the 49ers - The 49ers grab a first half lead, and the offense stalls in the second half. Shanahan loves the "Wide Nine" (Rush 4 and drop 7) which is basically a zone defense or hybrid zone (man-to-man on WRs and zone on everyone else). Shanahan doesn't make the halftime adjustments on offense or defense, but the opposing coaches make the necessary adjustments to win the second half. That's why he gets the BLAME! Ironically, one of the few "come from behind wins" by the 49ers in the Shanahan Era was led by Jimmy G who pulled a rabbit out of the hat to win the second game against the Rams and propelled them to the 2021 NFC Championship Game in which they eventually lost to the LA Rams on the 3rd matchup. NOT INSANITY to blame Shanahan. Dan Quinn didn't sniff the playoffs until Shanahan was OC of ATL. They were 2-0 against the Rams in the regular season, but in the game against the Rams that counted the most (NFC Championship) - He FAILED! Shanahan = Bud Grant, Dan Reeves, and/or Marv Levy. I hope I'm wrong because I would like to see the 49ers win their sixth Superbowl. By the way, I'm not anti-Shanahan. Had he won any of the two Superbowls (2019 or 2023), I would have a different opinion of him.
Offensive tackle would be good for the right fit, but they do have the same problem on the D-line, where they have a bunch of misfit toys Kocurek tries to mold, but the elite talents are tricky because they go early and we have been picking late. So I'd love a first round OT, but I am fine with them passing on one if they finally get Bosa's bookend, or if they can get a dominant DT who holds his gap and creates problems in the middle. If they pick none of those 3 and don't move back they'd better get a superstar or ill be pretty pissed. The talent void is so glaring now.
Lombardi is, and has been, overtly critical of Shanahan’s decision-making and scheme over the course of the season. Throughout this stream they criticized Shanahan’s actions on a number of occasions.
Thanks to both of you, great coverage as usual. Both of you are two of all time favorite reporters.
Props to Lombardi for not blocking people even if they respectfully disagree. Kawakami a different story
Great content I loved the conversation. Getting into the needy griddy stuff. Real questions!
Center, we need a center. Brock Needs interior line help for the type of player he is. He can escape the ends but needs that solid interior.
I want to see Mortecai become a focus of QB prospects!
Steve Belichick is an interesting thought! Very interesting.
Shanahan’s problem with special teams is the same problem with the rest of his coaching. He is constantly coaching to not lose instead of coaching to win. I don’t believe he was always that way.
Great take.
Agreed. It never feels like he has winning in his mind; rather he doesn’t want to lose and those are two different things.
I disagree
Sometimes when some coaches go from O.C. to being responsible for the whole team it changes the way they approach certain situations. Kyle did seem to be more aggressive as an O.C. but he also had guys like Andre Johnson and Julio Jones ( we don't have anything close to those guys) and wasn't responsible for the whole team. Something similar happened to Brian Billick in Baltimore.
2 super-bowl appearances and 4 NFC championship games and yet, it’s Kyle’s fault? Y’all are Madden dorks. 9er fandom and all the new coaches sitting on their sofa’s has become so comical. Absolute dorks.
David do you think you could put all your videos on Spotify? Most other podcasts and niners youtubers have all their longform content on there. It would be super helpful to us Spotify listeners:) I see you put certain videos but not all
It was noted that Pat O Donnell was inconsistent in holding for Moody. Ironically that is when Moody returned from injury.
You guys are so good
It appears from this discussion that both Dave + Tim (somehow!) missed Lynch's and Shanahan's response. I didn’t get that KS was “flustered” or “defensive” at all. And no, I don’t think KS “changed his tune” after Lynch did his “stabilizing”. He simply stated the obvious. So obvious that even I, 49er fan since 1961 and Kezar, wrote about it before the presser!
In fact, I’m pretty confident, based on their past performance, that neither Shanahan or Lynch were even surprised by the ST questions. That they were prepared. Call it “pre-stabilized”. Breaking: The 49ers have staffers that read media and SM posts. Shanahan and Lynch's response was not, as Tim said, an "admission" that he was "right" (that "as widely noted”…”offhand comments" have claimed "Shanahan doesn't pay attention to special teams"). Or, as Dave put it, has “downplayed” ST. It was an acknowledgement and statement of the obvious - that 49ers ST sucked and that something had to change. “I do think it’s an avenue we can get better in.” KS’s very words.
As I listen to Tim I’m seriously trying to figure out what “commitment” and “caring” looks, feels like and means to him. Let’s re-cap what the 49ers have done: Hiring Schneider away from Seattle to replace Hightower; A kicker in the 3rd; a punter in the 4th; making trades and salary cap investments in ST specialists, including returners. As someone who professionally understands organization, culture, structure, delegation, accountability and performance it’s hard to make sense of the responses given actions taken.
And is the standard of being a good NFL head coach now really riding on weather or not he personally attends or watches kickers and punters practice or their tryouts or ST practices? Or attend kickoff drills? Oh, wait - aren’t there video records of each and every kick, play (game and practice) from multiple angles? And I know it's cute to cite how Belichick loved talking about long-snapping. Hey, I love long-snappers. Hell, I love holders, and the loss of Mitch was huge and not covered at all. But the reality is that when push comes to shove even Belichick had a phrase that encapsulates his primary focus, one that he used for both players and coaches: "Do your job." Both 49ers coaches and players have not/did not. Hence the changes.
And please tell me that I’m not the only one who discerns a sense of humor with KS when answering Q’s about replacement kickers like Wright or punters like Connolly? Tim says he does - “the joking is a part of it…” - but by his answers - “he knows that I know that I’m right…” - I’m not so sure he really does. And I like both Tim and Dave, if that matters.
btw, who remembers Mitch calling his own number (!) on a fake punt vs Seattle in 2023? Anybody? Just checking...
The wide nine should only be on 3rd down
I don't think the wide 9 has to be abandoned. It is excellent on passing downs. Play conventional line formations on early downs, then play the wide 9 on passing downs. The defense has to be more adaptable.
They need more from the DT position to make it work, specifically against the run.
@@CWHansen81probably why he said “on passing downs” hahaha
@@ryanspry5271 Thank you.
Dre is still more wanted and teams will take a chance on him
Exactly Dre Greenlaw is gone… Houston, Tennessee, are examples but he will get 15- 18 million a year
Why do the 9ers do better drafting in the later rounds than with their top picks? Are different people doing the recommendations.
Does Democo want Greenlaw? Did he promise Greenlaw a favorable contract? Is that why Dre bought a home in Texas two weeks ago?
I hope he returns, but the tea leaves say otherwise.
Maybe it’s because Texas doesn’t have state income tax
Same thing happened with Aiyuk last year. After the season ended, I think it was his friend who tweeted that he was out. And then the video of him talking to Daniels and saying the Niners didn’t want him. Praying that we sign Dre to a new deal.
The way I remember it was that it was his girlfriend and brother causing drama.
Wilkes and sorenson had the 49ers blitzing on 3 downs! That I can remember the defense never blitz much! When they was in the 3-4 defense it was a lot better fit for the personnel that they had. Not many RBs have ran 100+ yards on the Niners defense like they do now. Salahs not coming back as a coordinator unless the offer him something he can’t resist. HC is where the money is
I still think, what’s the purpose of a ST coach if I hv to watch them kick??? A HC has better things to do. So for Kyle, ok you want a real good kicker? Let’s get a really good kicker, During the 3rd round and another 4th round Punter. Weird that if he has a say so you people will say he’s has issue with trust and he micro manages. a director doesn’t need to do a job of a manager. If other HC is very very involved good for them. But it doesn’t make Kyle a bad coach or makes him the reason for the ST messing up because that’s a combination of being good at the job, discipline and players being TOO comfortable.
Sorensen my be a nice guy, but that doesn’t make him an effective coach. Let him be the “Ball Father” if we have to. But someone better recognize that he doesn’t have the juice to lead any player component of our team. A real Special Teams coach is what we need. That everyone who has seen our performance can see this and management appears reluctant to accept is baffling.
His record on special teams wasn't good. #24 wth the Jags.
I said the same thing somehow the falcons lost in the Super Bowl is always attributed to Kyle shanahan. The defensive coordinator doesn't get any black for the fact that Tom Brady even came back in that game and the head coach doesn't get any blame at all
Yes, the HC Should have overridden KS. Falcons had just completed a pass to Julio to put the Falcons in FG range late. They should have run, or better yet knelt, three times and then kicked the FG that would have sealed the game.
@brettwheeler7753 but unfortunately he didn't and Kyle isn't to blame for them losing in the Super Bowl. It's a team effort so you can't just sit there and point to Kyle is being the reason why they lost if the falcons defense allow the Patriots to come back in that game in the first place.
@brettwheeler7753 what would the head coach of overridden him on. I'm just curious because the falcons head coach was a defensive coordinator previously which is the reason why he had Kyle in the first place because he doesn't have a mind for offense
@@brettwheeler7753Dan Quinn also called the same cover 3 look that let a RB (James White) set a SB record for receptions. No adjustments.
A total team effort is required for a collapse of that magnitude.
I always joked “kickers are not draft picks”
that’s no joke that’s the truth
@@Jjay-tw1yy you aren’t wrong 😂
Well the genius ST coach was high on him.😭😭
ATL OC - K.Shanahan was given all the publicity for resurrecting QB M.Ryan and labeled an "Offensive Genius" going into the 2016 Superbowl. They were up 28-3 over the Patriots late in the 3rd quarter. All Shanahan needed to do was kick a FG and the game wouldn't have made it to O/T. I was rooting for the Falcons (M. Ryan and K.Shanahan) because I was anti-Patriots. They failed to make it across midfield in the second half of that Superbowl after they scored early in the 3rd quarter TD. The pattern continued with the 49ers - The 49ers grab a first half lead, and the offense stalls in the second half. Shanahan loves the "Wide Nine" (Rush 4 and drop 7) which is basically a zone defense or hybrid zone (man-to-man on WRs and zone on everyone else). Shanahan doesn't make the halftime adjustments on offense or defense, but the opposing coaches make the necessary adjustments to win the second half. That's why he gets the BLAME! Ironically, one of the few "come from behind wins" by the 49ers in the Shanahan Era was led by Jimmy G who pulled a rabbit out of the hat to win the second game against the Rams and propelled them to the 2021 NFC Championship Game in which they eventually lost to the LA Rams on the 3rd matchup. NOT INSANITY to blame Shanahan. Dan Quinn didn't sniff the playoffs until Shanahan was OC of ATL. They were 2-0 against the Rams in the regular season, but in the game against the Rams that counted the most (NFC Championship) - He FAILED!
Shanahan = Bud Grant, Dan Reeves, and/or Marv Levy.
I hope I'm wrong because I would like to see the 49ers win their sixth Superbowl. By the way, I'm not anti-Shanahan. Had he won any of the two Superbowls (2019 or 2023), I would have a different opinion of him.
poopooing special teams will having you suck it every season, its the way you start and end every drive..short field or long field..points or none..
Offensive tackle would be good for the right fit, but they do have the same problem on the D-line, where they have a bunch of misfit toys Kocurek tries to mold, but the elite talents are tricky because they go early and we have been picking late. So I'd love a first round OT, but I am fine with them passing on one if they finally get Bosa's bookend, or if they can get a dominant DT who holds his gap and creates problems in the middle. If they pick none of those 3 and don't move back they'd better get a superstar or ill be pretty pissed. The talent void is so glaring now.
Tim relishing his job security, easy to evaluate and criticize, but respect for the craft should override attacks on a person.
Relax and let things play out..
AUTOMATIC!!! Texans!!!! GOOO WIN BRO!!!🙌🏼
Saleh will be back in 2025 as a head coach for another NFL team his caliber talent is beyond just a coordinator.
he coming back to us
KEEP MASON! But some difficult decisions must be made abt CMC. He'll be a PT Player at best & his MASSIVE Contract is a no go!
People assign the Falcons loss to Kyle because he failed, and continues to fail, to run the ball.
Kyle please give up playing calling because you suck at it in big games.
Mason Graham
Will Campbell
Will Johnson
Kelvin Banks Jr.
Tyler Warren
Whichever one of these Cherrys fall to 11
James Pearce jr is the pick or scourton
I respect both David & Tim reports and updates but they've lately become Kyle's mouthpiece
Wrong. It was Tim who actually asked the question regarding the Special Teams.. Not sure why ur here if u want to bad mouth them. Go to Grant
That is ridiculous. Obviously, you aren't listening or you struggle with comprehension. Likely both.
Lombardi is, and has been, overtly critical of Shanahan’s decision-making and scheme over the course of the season. Throughout this stream they criticized Shanahan’s actions on a number of occasions.
@3sha214 About time Tim asked Kyle a direct and confronting question instead of the "team friendly coach cuddling" questions he directs all season
If there is a way to show that you don't pay attention this comment was it