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Eso pasa con los arquitectos y trabajadores, le toca a uno pensar y preguntar todo el tiempo cómo van a mover la tuberia o las líneas, donde va a quedar tal cosa y etc. Asegurarse que va bien. No sé porque es igual en todo el mundo y el maestro de obra está mas capacitado que el arquitecto.
Option 3: Find renovated historical homes that you admire. Talk to their owners. You’ll find the architect you seek. As longtime entrepreneurs, your experience resonates with my husband & I. I sometimes find myself biting my tongue to keep from asking, “Shall I pay you to watch me do the work?” Thanks for taking us along on your journey.
That sounds like really good advice! Kinda how I found my current hairstylist. I just went up to a woman with a really good haircut and asked her, who she went to. It felt awkward, but she didn't mind and took it as a great compliment.
Yes. As someone who did historical renovation and rehab, it sounds like the architects have little to no appreciation of such things. That’s OK… it’s just not what Justine needs or wants.
Agree!!! My husband and I admired a beautiful Victorian that had been renovate . I knocked on their door and apologized for the intrusion but told the owners how much we appreciate their renovation and asked if they could recommend the company they used. They're were more than happy to share with us the names and companies the used. This June we'll be moving into our newly renovated home just a street away from the the house we admire, we're soon will be neighbors!!!😊
My experience after three years renovating in the south of Spain: Look for houses in your area that have been renovated in a way you like, ask owners and builders working there for arquitects names. Talking to neighbours or craftspeople: never ask for recommendations, because people will recommend, their brother, uncle or cousin. Ask: who did your house? Become best friends with the owner of the hardware store and the builders yard. They know everybody! Also: the really good ones will be very busy-be prepared to wait. Patience is important or you might have to settle for second best. Anyone that can start a project straight away is probably not very good or they would not be available.
I don’t know that it’s necessarily true that just because someone’s available they aren’t good. She may get lucky and happen upon someone who’s in between jobs just as she’s looking, or perhaps they had a job scheduled but it fell through for whatever reason. I wouldn’t dismiss someone just because they’re not busy. Instead, she should ask for references from recent clients, maybe arrange to visit those clients and see the work for herself.
@@NadiaEldemerdash that's actually how we found our dream builder, he just had two days between jobs to do some emergency work we needed done. He listened, communicated and even send us fotos when he finished. But to do the big renovation work we needed done, we had to wait another six month for him to be available for several weeks.
Hi Justine from the USA. 👋🏼 I’m an interior designer and I spent almost 10 years working for an architectural firm. What I found was often the cause of “disconnect” was that the architects who are paid 💰 had never ever worked a day as a craftsman or layperson. They had the book smarts and theoretical knowledge, but they had absolutely no idea how the work actually gets done. This became an issue during renovations of old homes that had been constructed before building codes were written. I was called out to jobsites to take a look at all sorts of strange findings. (Literally, there were times where we discovered that whoever built the house 150 years ago ran out of lumber for framing and used random items like table legs instead. 🤣) I always tried to use these puzzling situations as a learning experience. I’d go out to site and ask the plumber/carpenter/electrician/whoever to show me what was the problem and why it wouldn’t work as planned, and then brainstorm together to come up with a solution. We’d also bring in the homeowner(s) to show them the situation so they didn’t feel like they were being ripped off. However, my colleagues wouldn’t do the same with their projects. They’d act arrogant toward the laypeople/trades who honestly knew better. They would make excuses to the homeowners. Etc. All that to say: maybe after getting your plans finalized, working either with a construction engineer or directly with the tradesmen would be best. Ask them to include you when your plans need to pivot. You’ll learn a lot too, which I think you’ll enjoy. Everything I learned on the job helped me when I remodeled my own house. Together, my husband and I have framed walls, demolished and rebuilt bathrooms, installed toilets and faucets, hung drywall, laid tile, etc and it’s been very enjoyable. 🤓
And also, don't go on vacation when work is being done to your home. I was a office manager for an interior designer for a short time and while there is a fine line to walk between being aware of the tradesmen doing the work correctly and haranguing them and micromanaging, a 2 week vacation cost them more than they planned because the installers put curtains in the wrong places and it had to be redone.
France is famous for house/apartment construction and renovation being very different from how it's done in North America. I suggest people read American David Lebovitz's book L'Appart The Delights and Disasters of Making my Paris Home. He also has a blog. Plus he has a French partner who also went crazy getting this reno completed.
Yes! In the USA, I trust the tradespeople my friends have used more than I would trust an architect. I’m sure building codes are very different, but as a whole a general carpenter will have all the connections and a great one will help you with your vision and a practical way to achieve it
Dear Justine, I am sorry you are having difficulties with your architects. One thing I wanted to mention was when you do find someone you will use to start the project for you, make sure you list in the contract all the things in the house you want to be protected and saved while the contractors are carrying out their work, your beautiful tiled floor, the doors and shutters, the mantelpiece. Photograph them and attch them to the contract before signature. Otherwise, the whole place will become a building site and irreplaceable architecture will be ruined. I do hope you find someone soon.
That is a truly precious advice! Pics attached to the written demands, so very necessary. ❤ So that even the educated idiots (sorry, I meant self-proclaimed intelectually superior architects = shortsighted theory infused egocentrics - who may again think they know better..) get to understand they will be held accountable, legally, if they try to dismiss your very reasonable demands. Don't be nice anymore. Most of them don't deserve it yet. They ought to prove themselves first to you. You are the queen, you are the client. ❤ I wish you all the best, Justine. I also apologise for taking it so personally, but I had a similar issue with almost being overrun by experts who dismissed my wishes and questions. Cannot respect people of that level anymore. 💁♀️
Totally agree. But in addition, put masking tape on the things you want saved, and write that these are staying, or do not remove. Workers need a constant reminder of these things, as sometimes they get very focused and can forget!
yes! i cannot recommend this enough. everything documented in writing with photos. and bright, loud, cannot-miss-it notes on all the things in the house as a reminder. remove what you want saved and safely store it away, if you can. because some people will stop looking at documents, do what they want or do from corrupted memory (i thought we did it this way/you wanted it this way) and need in-the-face-everyday poking. I work in IT and encounter these situations all the time. drives me bonkers. look at it from the newbie perspectives and even things you didn't think needed pointed out....point them out! a lot.
Good point! You might even put a hefty price on any damaged areas that you want to keep. A Landscape Architect friend designed an entire landscape for shade loving plants around a grand old oak tree. The contractors cut out a root, the tree died, the whole endeavor was ruined and became a lawsuit. Now this professional puts a large penalty amount on certain features if they become compromised. It is highly motivating for the craftsmen to preserve those items.
good idea. I purchased a flat in Budapest as it was being renovated. It was a very old, beautiful space with lots of original details. When I got the apartment, they stole the antique doorhandles and other bits and pieces they could sell and was left with some awful second hand handles from the 70s or 80s. Lesson learned, and I no longer long for a place in Budapest.
Hi Justine! My advice is start all over again. You'll probably regret if you don't. I did! And mine was a much easier project. It's clear you don't trust them anymore. The best of luck to you! 😘
1. DITCH THE CURRENT AGENCY! 2. Do not double your estimated time frame, but *quadruple* it. 3. Install tarpaulins over the leaky roofs, more solid than a temporary makeshift might need. 4. Now that you probably hate me for my recommendations: Let us find your unicorn: Unicorns are rare, but they exist 🦄 Put the cart before the horse: Approach the last guilds instead of the first ones typically scheduled in such reconstruction projects. The ones of your least priorities within your schedule right now. The ones that get deferred the most due to construction delays: Built-in furniture restorer/conservator, flooring/ tilers, painters, gardeners, etc. Ask them for their experience, ask for names of architect offices, solo architects, construction management offices, solo construction managers, ASO. They know and can tell stories about who & what & why reconstruction projects were run in what circumstances, schedule, expertise, manner, delays, and so forth. Be open minded regarding the narrative angle you might experience. Perhaps not just ask the boss in the showroom, but also the "simple & quiet" workers (who typically direct any enquirer to the boss; these workers have the unfiltered real-time experience you intend to trace back), on-site if there are any. Or at the chip shop @ lunch break, or at/in the pub @ after-work beer. The third option you asked for: Make a time-limited appeal within your existing social media network. Ask for expertise first hand or third hand, perhaps (or hopefully) team up irl. I wish you success.
I have no clue, BUT an architect who suggests you to cover those tiles and change those doors has definitely to GO. Good luck! Waiting for news, the house looks fantastic.
Option 3: Look for a construction engineer. You'll need one anyway since you are planning to do structural changes and they usually know the local architects and craftspeople.
Very good point. Here in Canada, if you want to modify walls, you need a structural engineer's report. Since Justine mentioned issues that may arise once a wall is down, this will solve the issue before any walls are removed.
Yes,the current one seems more concerned with the cosmetics rather than the actual structure. Seems to want to strip all the charming elements. Maybe she runs a reclaimation business on the side!
TRUST YOUR GUT. Fire that firm. As many suggest below, look/ask around. Find finished work you really like and use that firm/person. Renovations are notoriously slow and more expensive than contemplated. But slow is entirely different from not doing with your house what you told them you wanted done, not having answers to reasonable (and unreasonable) questions, and not having thought through options/alternatives. The last point really matters because most budgets are limited so there will be many decisions to make--such as: can you have x if you cut y, or do y differently, etc. Like finding a good doctor, a good question is: If I were rich and famous, who would I hire? Maybe start there. If you can't afford them, maybe they can recommend someone who they mentor or who does good work but at a lesser price. Good luck with your beautiful gem of a house and keep us posted!
My friend (we live in California) inherited an old house in France. The house is very narrow 3-story house, 1 room on each story, looks like it was built between 2 other houses 🤔 he had to renovate it too. French contractors drove him nuts 😖 same frustration as you experience now … he hired Swiss guys, they did everything fast and as he wanted.
I am from the Netherlands and renovated a house in the Haute Provence twenty years ago. I did not want to write this to you but it was a complete hell for almost three years. I always thought it is because I am not fluent in French but overall it is the work ethics that are different than yours. You approched the project with a German attitude: You do what you say and on time and if you don’t know an answer you look it up or reccomand another craftsperson. That was never the case. In the end our solution was to work with other European Dutch, contractors who had businesses in the lived in the area with the same work attitude as myself.
I agree. We renovate here in Austria and at the moment it is difficult to get handyworkers. I think you should prepare for a long go and no quick solutuon...
I feel your pain but not from similar experience, just from friends. It helps if you could get some friends or other folks under construction to recommend someone. Word of mouth has always helped me. Good lock and keep your cool. This to will pass.
Dear Justine, I feel your struggle! As an architect working in Venice (yes, only renovations!) I looove your home and your desire to keep the precious historical finishes and materials, I wish I met more clients like yourself! I would advise to find another architect which works with historical buildings. I wouldn't rely only on an engineer, they usually aren't trained to do the detailed renovation work you're looking for.. I see many more useful advices in the comment section. Good luck! ❤
Pourquoi ne pas demander à un ou plusieurs maçons ou plombiers ou peintres de la région par ex de vous indiquer un archi du coin ? Ils auront probablement de bonnes recommandations à faire 😊 ou à des habitants du village qui ont fait une rénovation ? Voire même les commerçants -le réseau local quoi 😊
No, you did not set the bar too high. The freelance architect is probably your better bet. It's time to change the agency. Hopefully, you have architect friends (not necessarily the same region) they may give you some tips on what might be happening and maybe help you to separate the good from bad options. Also it's critical to get a good contractor, they will always find things which will not work from their point of view. There are many cowboys, and you might have the best design but a terrible contractor will derail the project in a bad way. My experience is that it can take even up to a year to schedule a good one. So if you have not already then get a head start on that so you won't have to wait long to start execution. Your project looks challenging, but I know you will get there!😊
This comment (suggestion) makes the most sense to me, Justine. I am on my 4th (hopefully the final) contractor for my 940 square foot condo… I have not had good luck in USA(where language isn’t an issue) but my project is viewed as “small,”and not a large money-making project. My heart goes out to you. You know you have a huge fan/support base! You have given the current firm adequate time to show their commitment and “expertise.” It’s not a good fit from what you have shared. Keep us all in the loop! We don’t want another winter for you like last year! ❤
Looks like you have received some solid advice here. Maybe as part of your vetting process, make sure they understand you are looking for someone with a similar work ethic and communication skills. Knowing how to do the job isn't enough. You need someone with the integrity to own up when they don't know something and to follow up when they say they will do something. Starting over may cause delays and be more expensive in the short run, but cutting corners now will mean more expenses down the road and will probably cost you more. Keep us informed!
You are making all the right decisions Justine. Follow your intuition for your renovation. My husband bought a farmhouse built in 1881. When I first saw it I thought he was crazy buying that house and for taking on such a huge project but we renovated the entire house keeping a lot of the original woodwork and architectural elements and loved the end results. You are not setting the bar too high for your architect. You are paying the agency and they should provide you with results you want. Perhaps you can hire a German architect!
I renovated an old house two years ago and if I could go back, I would have fired the first company and find a new one. It will set you back months, but that time will be worth it in the long run. Good luck, you brave girl.
Oh, I feel this! My mom (who is German) lives in France. Anyone who has lived in a country that “gets things done right, right away, the first time (like in the US, Germany), and then moves to a country that has a mañana/laissez faire culture …it is beyond frustrating. I’m so sorry you’re going through this and I hope you get some resolution soon!
Hi Justine. I’ve been an interior designer for over 40 years and know communication is Everything. I like your idea of a single independent architect with exceptionally happy clients whose projects you can see and evaluate for yourself. As you can draw, I’d suggest you draw elevations of the spaces you want. Prioritize all the details in a space so you’re ready to make intelligent choices when you’re asked to make a change from what is in your head and your heart. Really press for what you really really want. You’ll probably have to sacrifice somewhere else but if you’ve prioritized it won’t be so painful. Keep paper and pencil by your bed. Clustering where you’ll use water will help save plumbing costs. When you draw elevations, think ok, how am I going to bring electricity here. Where will all my technical mechanicals go so your power needs will be met for your design needs. In your plan add soft lighting to welcome you with pools of light to create an effect, as well as make a few spots for cozy reading. Will you have art or special places to highlight. Then after you’ve thought about your lighting needs in detail, consult With a lighting designer. And Justine….. take your time to enjoy your process. You’ll be able to once you find the right architect. Best wishes to you. I’ll enjoy hearing how your project is going.
Several years ago I renovated an over 120 years old stone house in Greece. I went around the area and where I found tastefully renovated houses, I asked for information. That's how I found the right craftsmen for the work.
Justine, your house is so AMAZING! I agree with you on keeping the authenticity in the floor and woodworking. I hope your architect issues are resolved soon…what a nightmare! I live in South Florida, USA, where everyone tears down historic buildings and houses to rebuild bigger and better. The neighborhood I grew up in is the oldest in our county, but all of the houses are new again. It’s so disheartening to see the quaint, old houses disappear.
I really feel for you Justine. This happened to my parents. In the end the builder, an experienced local, and my father became the ones who designed and executed. My father had already designed the basic outline of the house. My father was using heritage colonial (uneven convict made) bricks, 19thС internal doors, wooden ceilings, etc. so it was very much a mixture of old and new. The people who bought the house after my father died made a plaque for the front of the building saying this is the house.... (my father's name)... built in 1976. It is a magnificent house to live in. Thank you (my father's name) and (the contractor's name). You are a designer, so don't devalue your knowledge. Of course you are not an architect, but maybe working with a good contractor could work? Just a thought. Be confident, but of course, super old buildings present special problems too. Super good luck! (from Australia)
@@user-no2mz9hl4f It is an amazing house. It's up in a very high spot with a bush reserve directly in front of it and with a due north aspect (the best aspect in the southern hemisphere) it overlooks Palm Beach/Barrenjoey Lighthouse, Lion Island, Broken Bay and Kuringai Chase. The most beautiful perfect view all day long with spectacular sunrises and sunsets everyday. The house was built with very heavy duty foundations and thick brick walls between every room. It was impossible for my mother to live there after my father died - it was their retirement project. The plaque was coincided by a beautiful letter about how much the new family enjoyed living in the house, and this was actually a great comfort to us to know the house is so solid, with that view from every room, that it's unlikely to be knocked down like cheaper project houses. I think Justine's house has this built for the ages feel about it too :)
Was going to suggest that. My friend, who's in construction, used to show me the screw ups architects had made on various job sites. The contractor & the subcontractors (carpenters, cabinmakers, electricians, plumbers, etc) were probably more capable of renovating the place without any architect than with the useless ones they often worked with (whose work had to be corrected). One example : a cabinetmaker was given a drawing for some built-ins ... problem was that the dimensions of the built-ins to be made were one inch bigger than the opening they went Into. Even I caught that mistake & I'm no architect. The cabinetmaker caught it though. Because of all his experience. Find a good builder & get suggestions from him. Then hire him if you like what he says.
I am currently renovating my house. I wanted everything done quickly, but getting it done the way I wanted and to the quality I wanted was becoming untenable. (I am doing a lot of the work, as well as contractors for some outwith my skill set). So, I decided to change my tactics. I used more local people, with personal recommendations. I decided I would rather wait and find the right contractor for each job. I changed the time scale to focus on one room at a time, in detail, and finished to my expectations. As some contractors were unable to achieve what I wanted, I chose to increase my own skills and technical knowledge. I am much happier with the work and quality done. Surprisingly, I have found an interesting side effect, the pleasure in my own personal learning and physical work has become a mindful exercise. Even looking back later gives me a good memory of doing the work and seeing the final quality now pride and reassurance going forward living here. The new skills also has proved greatly beneficial in my studio practice. This is probably a tactic you done want to do, but I have found the flexibility of being able to change to the environment has achieved a more varied and better results. I hope you read this and good luck with your project.
I am renovating in Spain and I did the same, after a lot of problems with many different contractors and and architects I realized that the great final project that I had in my mind was not understood by all of them. So I focus on one room at a time with different people for each specific task that they are very good at (as recommended). Locally everyone knows each other and people in the town/area where you live will tell you who is good and who isn't. At the end you will get what you want but it will take a lot of time looking for the right person, patience and communication.
Well done. We are renovation for five years now and if there are mistakes, we laugh at them. It feels better to see your own mistakes than others you have paid for. We even give the mistakes epic names.
Hi, Justine! I am a manager of a university master programme for international real estate valuation and I have one observation and one proposal for You! In this industry there is an even bigger gap in the communication between the planing side of the building (aka your agency) and the executive side (the builders and other skilled people). Fire the agency and hire a building company. A family company. And be their project manager. You have the vision of the house and they have the know how. It will work!
Former architecture major here: There are many sub disciplines in the field; an architect that designs houses is not the same as an architect that designs hospitals, and neither is the same as someone who redesigns _historic_ buildings. Always vet the firm/independent architect you're hiring to see what their experience and skills set is. They could be an amazing designer of new single family urban residences but have no understanding of rural vernacular architecture. Hope things are improving for you, and that the next update shows progress that pleases you!
Hi Justine, I don't have advice regarding the architects, just wanted to share something regarding the master bathroom. From my personal experience, I would be reluctant to put it in an extension - a space with 3 external walls + under a roof. I grew up in costal Croatia (very hot summers, cold and windy winters), in a house with no insulation and I haaaaated my showers. The bathroom was smaller than yours but still it would never heat up to a comfortable level. Consider a good heating option, maybe floor heating, plus insulation. I would consider a dining space in an extension (if it's logical). Also, if you can, avoid putting too many doors/passages in your bedrooms. You lose on useful wall space, and create a lot of movement/paths (which according to feng shui is not relaxing).
I didn’t think about it until you mentioned the challenges you are experiencing, but all the TH-cam channels I follow that are doing renovations on homes in France are without exception the home owner doing the work themselves. It appears to be a very DIY-friendly place from the looks of things and I can certainly understand the DIY approach if it is difficult or impossible to get tradespeople. Here are a few: The Chateau Diaries (Stephanie & Philip), Escape to Rural France (Dan), How to Renovate a Chateau (Anna & Philip), Manor & Maker Chateau Adventures in France, and Two Poofs and a Pug. Hope you find the path forward that works for you, I feel your frustration! Your home has a lot of gorgeous potential!
My architect brother has many funny sayings. Funny, in a tragicomic way. 1. Do you want your project to be a) fast, b) of high quality, c) economical? Pick two. A client can have any two of those three things, but not all three. 2. When a project is 80% done, there's still another 80% to go. Having myself been involved in a new home build with a sloppy designer (I found the misaligned weight bearing column in the blueprint myself, and the drawing was still incorrect in the next round of blueprints! etc) and a builder who took no pride in his work. We were in a rush. The best designers and builders locally were booked for 2-3 years. Every time I look at the mistakes and missed opportunities I wonder if we should've waited. But life goes on, and there's a cost to perfectionism, too. You have the design and research ability to do a fine room layout, figure out floor plans general plumbing, electricals and ductwork, But it takes time to learn standard widths, heights and requirements, and you'd still have the problem of who's responsible for producing accurate specifications that subcontractors can follow, that meet building code, and won't disqualify you with an insurance company or mortgage bank if there's ever a problem. So in the end I think you're right: you're much smarter and more focused than your architect, but even a savvy consumer can't necessarily act as the primary architect. And you already realize that a historical reno is a process. A plan gets you started, but from there on it's a series of discoveries and problem solving to get to a good outcome. Good craftsmen are scarce everywhere, but there must be many good historical reno architects in your area. If you could find a good builder/carpenter somehow, he can probably tell you which architects he likes to work with. He can afford to be picky about whom to work with because there's more work available than workers. I liked the idea of working backwards: find house renos that are at least 3 years old (so the residents know if the reno actually works well) and ask them for the name of the builders and designer. Or maybe a retired master craftsman? Maybe you could hire someone like that for a consultation, even if they don't have time to take on the whole project? Not knowing France, I wonder if a home insurance company could tell you which local builders they trust working with when there's insurance repairs to be done. Or if there's a building inspection department, maybe they know names of tradespeople who don't cause inspection problems. Best of luck. I hope a real expert in the comments can give you useful advice.
We have a similar ceiling in our kitchen here in France. If the wood between the beams is the floorboards of the room above you may want to put accoustic insulation between the beams....
I get you! I am no plumber or electrician but if I ask a question and they can’t answer me - I get frustrated and usually fire them. Keep interviewing until you find someone that is not offended by questions. 💙
Oh, Justine. I don't have experience of renovating in France so I can't help with that. But I do have experience with architects and it would seem your problem is common. Certainly here in Scotland I ended up communicating with my architect in writing. I made specific requests and set clear timescales. I also engaged all other professionals personally. The builder I hired supplied the quantity surveyor, plumber and plasterer in addition to the carpenters. However I hired my own structural engineer and electrician. I liaised with the planning department personally and supervised the entire job. It's exhausting and not an experience I would be in a hurry to repeat. None of the options available to you offer a quick solution unfortunately. I actually contacted the professional body for architects here in Scotland for advice. I'm sure there will be a similar organisation in France. Perhaps it would be worth contacting them? And good luck. It will be worth it when it's done so hold on to that vision x
Architects are supposed to work with the client. This means that they are supposed to take your ideas and make them work. Interaction being important. Good luck finding the right person 🇦🇺🎸⚡️🤘🏿🤘🏼💋❤️
She is not building a house from scratch, where you use an architect. She needs an Interior Designer that has a construction background that does rehabs
Justine, you don't need these fancy name architecture firms, you need a family-owned small company which many immigrants have in France, with good inherited craftsmanship and practical knowledge of renovation. My relatives work like that for example (cannot recommend because they are far from you, but I am sure if you ask around, you can find them locally too), and for a more reasonable price, faster service and more dedication I am sure. So if I were you, I would step out of my comfort zone that Germany probably got you accustomed : ) and using corporate polished services brought on platter gor you into this situation - so to speak, so don't do online search and go out and try to find someone with word of mouth. That would be my advice.
Justine, we are not renovating a house but building a new one on a piece of land we bought. The contractor took $85,000 that we gave him, did about half the job, and left. Now we are scrambling to complete this and no one will take on someone else's started work because they don't want to be liable for how it's built. If I were you I would just take your architect plans (find a new one that you like first) to a local construction company or builder and make sure you only pay them in stages once each step you agree on is complete. I wish someone told me this when we started.
From a prior renovation experience, I’d suggest to you to make one room very comfy, this will take a while, and as others said, better to be delayed that incorrectly done. Also when you find the arch and a structural engineer, make sure to be part of their conversations, to learn about the issues and challenges. Also take pictures while in the process, in case you need to go back later for any changes, or additions to the rooms or house, after it’s been all done. It’s alway good to know where the pipes and electrical are running. Trust your gut.
Good advice. Maybe insulate only one room and heat it and live on the construction site. Saves money and gives control. If you are far away, people do what they want.
As a Brit I look at this house and shiver thinking how cold it looks, then I remember how hot Provence gets and if I lived there I’d be so thankful for the tiled floors and whitewashed walls 😂 I love how you want to keep the original features, you are the right person to own a house like this, it’s destiny so keep going! Finding good trades people of any kind is incredibly difficult in the UK, too many rip of merchants and people who just don’t take pride in their jobs. Sadly you just have to shop around, and when you find someone good hold onto them for dear life. I think you should end your relationship with that agency, sounds like it’s a them problem. You’ll be thankful when this is all finished.
Me too, as a Finn! But I have to say that English-style buildings are some of the coldest I've experienced. I lived in Australia for a while and never have I been as cold as I was in the mornings in winter in Victoria! The single-layer windows and thin walls are horrible. Finnish houses are so well insulated and the windows have three layers, so even at -30 it's not that cold indoors.
@@kisikisikisi oh in the UK we don’t have single layer windows anymore, all houses have to have double glazing now. Australias completely different, our houses are very well insulated so we actually do struggle in summer because they keep the heat in.
Justine: trust your instincts, realize this is going to take MUCH LONGER than you anticipated, interview as many people as you can, pray for some luck. As you interview people, you will learn things and get an idea of what people are able/willing to do. Looking at restored homes and finding out who did the work is a great suggestion as is taking pictures and including them in the contract. I did a minor renovation in California this past summer into winter. Many things went wrong. I was lucky to find an honest and kind contractor who saved my bacon (American expression). Keep looking and get ready for another winter because this cannot be done quickly short of a miracle. The structural engineer is a good idea. Start with them to find out if the things you want done can be done. Trust your instincts. If they can't answer your questions, they are not for you (and probably aren't for anyone else either). My house turned out beautiful but the stress was overwhelming and these were minor renovations. I have no idea how things work in France, but from the other comments, I am now suspecting that there are a lot of unskilled people in Europe trying to make a living in order to survive. The educated idiots you encountered seemed like they didn't have experience and were not trained to prioritize the client. Look for the unicorn. I found one. This is not a unicorn, but close enough:🦓
Hello from Toronto. Your video brings back memories of my husband and I went through when we renovated or 100 year old craftsman style house in Toronto. I don’t know if any of our experiences would be applicable in France. After interviewing several architects, we decided to hire a designer rather than an architect. Our designer was extremely knowledgable about the technical aspects of the work done by the trades but also produced a very liveable design for our family. We hired a general contractor who worked directly with the designer. As my husband is a structural engineer, he reviewed the plans that were submitted to the city for approval and offered a number of helpful comments. I remember that the initial architectural plans, placed a powder room on the first floor opening directly from the open plan living /dining area. Of course that was unacceptable and contrary to the designer’s plan. The rationale given to us was That the powder room location was dictated by the location of the plumbing stack. The designer quickly pointed out that the plumbing stack could be moved as we were renovating the entire second floor in any case. She produced a revised design with an alcove and hallway off the open plan living room so there was essentially a small corridor leading to the powder room. It was very important to us that our designer who was independent of the general contractor inspected the work of the trades and suggested minor changes as necessary.
Hi Justine, Im an architect and I can tell you that your expectations are exactly on point. I gotta say that I don't work in France, but its just good sense that if you pay someone to offer you technical solutions, they offer you technical solutions! Sadly, that are a lot of poor professionals everywhere in the world. Im really sorry for your experience. P.S. Pleeeasee don't let them change any original details, if they are even thinking of it, they might not be the right crew to help you to update while keeping it beautiful.
Any architect who would want to remove the beautiful ornaments/tiles/doors in your home that drew you in from the start is not worth your money or time. Fire them! In the states we have engineers who are required to approve all designs when walls are moved/added. Start there. TH-cam also has many channels that show people in France renovating chateaus--mostly enterprising British or Americans who vlog their adventures. Perhaps they are closer than you know!! I will be following ALL of your content whether fashion or renovation. Best wishes!
A tip for your smaller wood part pieces of your furniture: should you stll have the worms, put any fitting piece in the deep freezer for several hours. The wood eating worms will die and the leftovers will not affect that piece.
Hi Justine! I'm also stuck in the middle of reconstruction, just not in France but in Czechia. I'm also an entrepreneur and I really felt that bit about how your experiences raises the expectations of expertise in others. I laughed bitterly, because I second that! But at least I was lucky with my architect. He is self-employed, has some experience with reconstructions and I really liked his other realizations. Firstly he was suprised how deeply I care about every level of the design, but he was receptive to my feedback and questions. Study phase looked more as a collaboration than a hire, and yes, there was an increase in price for me due to increase of time spent on that study - but if he didn't reflect my input, I would end up with plans that I wouldn't want to build on. And that would cost me more. I recommend you to change the studio. Worry more about what you might end up regretting it in the long run than about time and money already spent - that's already gone. There is someone out there who would love to do your house and is perfect for it and clearly it's not this agency. Good luck!
Option 3: find an experienced local constructor. You have a very good idea of what you want with the house, so you really need someone with the practical experience to work with a place like this. Plus, they will probably know which craftspeople to work with.
Hi Justine, we live in a Mas in Northern Luberon and we have done a lot of renovation on it since we bought it 14 years ago as a vacation home; now our primary residence. Some hints: 1. You don't need an architect unless your house has more then 170 m2 and you want to extend it. We extended our house to 200 m2 2 years ago and there we needed an architect for the building permit. There the plans were also not correct and the craftsmen (which I had contracted myself) corrected it during construction. 2. The structral renovations on our Mas took 2 years (luckily we didn't live there for the year). Complete new roof with 50 cm of insulation (against the heat). Old heating out, new in (reversible heatpumps). Old electricity out, new in. Old plumbing out, new in (constructed 2 new bathrooms - the old one was a cupboard, like yours). Tearing done even structural walls for a better distribution of rooms. New double glazed windows. Parts were done by craftsmen, other parts DIY. 3. For shutters, new windows you don't need a "Permit de Construire", usually a "Declaration de Travaux" at the Mairie is sufficient. When I did the roof I did neither of those and it was quite a big undertaking with new beams etc. One day a guy from the Mairie came and asked about the "Permit". I told him its a reparation because of infiltrations, so it was ok for him. If you would like to have some further advice, do not hestitate to contact me.
I also would definitely keep the floor, doors, windows, etc. I especially love the ceiling and fireplace. Those features are what probably drew you to the house initially. If you are unhappy with the agency, go with your gut and move on to another one. What time is lost now will not matter when everyone is working together and on the same page and you're happy.
Hi Justine, no experience in France but having gone through the process of building a custom home. Here are a few things 1)- An A level architect will cost a ton more than most people’s budget but these people will look over the project vs just leaving it to the junior people to do whatever, like in your case. So, some management is needed. An independent architect can still make mistake and will be slower to deliver due to working on multiple projects. They need management too, just in a different way 2)-Trust your instincts. If you have doubts, it is only to get worse. 3)- Your architect needs to be able to do the style that you envision, not what they envision. Super important as people have mentioned. As for me, I fired 2 designers, one individual, the second was a firm. Both weren’t that detailed oriented even though they were highly recommended. When I hired the firm, I had a set of plans and every time I pointed issues out that needed fixing, I was told it was from the previous design. 3 months into it, detailed were still all wrong as her Sr. Designer wasn’t that great. I pointed this out and she asked for a second chance, agreeing she would own it and would monitor it herself. She didn’t. 4 months later after paying for many more hours, I fired her even-though I needed her the most. Everything was wrong, including my tile layouts, my colors, my vision for the house. So, yes, they all make mistakes, some more some less. You will be the PM on everything. No, you are not picky, just not afraid to ask questions and you are not letting them get away with it. best of luck.
Look at you! 1M is right around the corner. Well deserved! I could watch paint dry with you. You are so talented and always interesting content. Thank you.
I would suggest you put on a new roof as soon as possible. You need to stop water coming in first. Once you do that you'll have the luxury of time to consider your next steps because you won't have any additional damage.
With any project, if there are problems at the beginning when it is easy, it will only get worse. Get out and get a new team now. Better to invest a few months to get it right than spend a year, not be satisfied, and have to get a new team anyway. For example, we had solar put on our very old house. We got estimates from different firms and chose one. Every step was like walking in the mud with them. The project was to take a month at most. It took them 2 years. Had we dropped them after the first missed email or call or excuse, we would not have had the nightmare it became. Trust me. Trust your instincts, and get a new team. Red flags are warnings that we should never ignore. I learned this lesson the hard way.
If I were in your predicament, I’d definitely disengage from this agency. You have given them enough time to get stuff started well and they seem incompetent and uninterested. Even if that sets you back months, if you find people who share your values and step up, it will also spare you a lot of tension and damages to yourself and this beautiful ancient house! Best of luck to you and don’t give your patience to people who prove that they are not worth it.
I have an old house in France. My advice is to look in 2 places for help: 1. Find the best local mason or carpenter and use his architect. 2. Talk to old, experienced realtor and get their recommendations. Finally, you won't want to hear this, but expect to wait a year for the services of the best tradespeople. Good luck!
Option 2. We are in Uk so different but we had to have drawings done for the planning laws etc… but then we found a good builder we saw his work somewhere else, he is a great guy and has great tradesmen that work for him. When any problems arise with the building renovations he talked through solutions with us.. as there are always things that come up that aren’t on the plans etc…
Hi Justine, I am an architect specializing in historical buildings, conservation and restoration. Your story is quite common in my professional field. This is largely because the current design architects by training have limited knowledge of historical buildings. You probably need to find a local restoration company/ studio. On the other hand, please do check if your house (or the house site) is protected architectural heritage anyway. If this is the case, dealing with heritage regulations and requirements for historical buildings also requires restoration architects of speciality (not design architects), especially in France, I think. Good luck.
I’m gonna be biased because I’m a former architect and I had a terrible time working in the field. In several of the offices where I worked project that seemed “small” were often passed down to interns or people new to the company with very little to no experience. This would result in no responsibility being taken and things getting “passed around” with no real results. Unfortunately when I had very little to no experience I was part of a team for a renovation project and 2 years later the company got sued for not doing things right. Because no one took responsibility. I no longer work in that company or in the field of architecture. But this story you shared is unfortunately more common than you think!
Bonjour Justine. Nous sommes en train de rénover une ferme dans le Périgord, sans architecte ouf. Je voulais juste vous dire que ici les délais avec les artisans sont très longs, et qu'il faut être tout le temps sur leur dos pour avoir des réponses. Donc si votre architecte vous répond 1 mois plus tard pour des prix, c'est que les artisans qui répondent sont lents ! Ils sont débordés, il y a un terrible manque d'artisans en France, donc il faut être très très patient. En plus en Provence, je pense qu'ils sont encore plus "cool" qu'ici. Un truc à essayer : des artisans étrangers basés près de chez vous (genre anglais ou hollandais ou portugais). Ils travaillent souvent plus rapidement et ont des délais plus courts. On a testé ici avec un artisan anglais (ils ont moins de demande, forcément). Bon courage, mais bravo pour votre maison, beaucoup de cachet !!
Makes me so happy that not only are you keeping as many beautiful original features as possible, but that you are also collecting and restoring (and possibly rescuing) old furniture. Thank you!
Hi Justine, I'm a contractor in the US. With renovations, it is so important to find someone who shares your vision and has many options for you to choose what you like. It's worth the time because when there are issues at the beginning it is uncommon for it to get better. You articulated what you want. You are not unreasonable. I hope this is helpful.
Your experiences make me laugh. I have no experience in France, but I am building a home in Asia. The contractor and I mostly use a translating app to communicate. As an artist, my design for this home is far from traditional. So when it comes to asking for suggestions, the response is nil. Justine, we will both live through the process and learn a great deal!😹
Justine: I've renovated and built residential structures for the past 25 years. Your instincts are correct.If you see warning signs of trouble, take action. If you're not working with the company/people that you can trust (to whatever extent), make a change, keep looking. If you regret the time delay, please consider that you'll regret a crappy renovation far far longer (every single day, for potentially decades). It's never an easy process, unfortunately. Stick to your guns, as they say, and lead your process as much as possible, no matter who you end up working with. Best of luck!!
As someone who is at their second renovation of the house in Belgium, I wish you a lot of luck with findig good people, architects, stability ingenieurs, constructors, plumbers, material shops etc..... ! We started 2 years ago with a lot of setbacks. In the meantime the price of construction materials has almost doubled... 😤 Now I understand whi most people prefer to buy sth already renovated or build from scratch.... Too bad we love old stuff 😅
Option 2. As an architect myself (UK and Australian experience) it sounds like the agency you went with weren't the right fit. I think you will have better luck with a small firm that specialises in this type of project or a freelancer.
General comments here, as I'm not an architect and have never used one: I work in the professional services industry, and it seems that everyone is overworked. I have clients on my list for whom I've been meaning to complete work for weeks now - some even months! - and I simply cannot get to them because of the amount of work and urgent stuff that comes up. That might be the case with your agency. It's not acceptable, but it might shed some light on why their communication is so poor and why they're taking so long to get back to you. Keep in mind also that crafts and tradespeople are being overworked and in demand everywhere (here in Australia, it's taken my parents over six months to find someone who can fix their fence! So, it might also be that the architect couldn't get the quotes they needed because they weren't getting responses from their tradespeople. Having said that, if you feel that it's not just a communication issue, and that your architect agency doesn't have experience in renovating a historical home - definitely look for someone else. A freelance architect sounds like a great idea, as long as they have the resources and manpower to follow through with their promises.
Maybe what would help is to find a new architect or agency, but one that is specialised in restorations and historical character instead of just architecture. Example: is there a cute historical church around that is super well preserved? Ask the people there who takes care of it when they need maintanance. Same if there are old theaters, or public spaces that have good character conservation in the region. These people will also be more in the know for materials and workers that have the required craftsmenship experience of working with historical character restoration. They'd be excited to work with the challenge of making this a liveable space that respects the history and architectural importance it has (like the doors and windows and that gorgeous ceiling).
I don't know anything about renovating in France, but I have renovated stuff, and you definitely need someone who know about renovating old stuff, not building new. So I say cut your losses, and find someone new. I've used a master builder who is answerable to me, and knows people who can fix old as well as build new. And having good chemistry, communication and not to forget TRUST is important, and you seem to be lacking all of them. Good luck!
Justine, I’m sorry this is proving to be a difficult project! I am so looking forward to seeing how you transform this property as I absolutely love Provence style. I’m glad you are keeping all the beautiful original features - I am in the process of building a new house and am searching reclamation websites for old fireplaces / doors / architectural features. My project managers don’t understand why I want my new house to look 150 years old! I think architects can be a bit obsessed with shiny bling. Good luck moving the project forwards, I know you will do a fantastic job.
Hi Justine! Just based on the fact that they wanted to replace and cover your beautiful french doors and original tiles is a red flag for sure. I think the best way to go is definitely to find a freelance architect with renovation experience - preferably who has had experience renovating a house similar to yours. I would honestly start by looking at renovated houses in the area and asking if their owners have any recommendations for who to work with. Project managing the whole thing yourself might seem like it would go faster in the beginning but believe me, the expensive mistakes you'll make later on will slow you back down. I'm saying this as someone who self-renovated a 100 year old house and learned a lot in the process, but recognize how a good architect/project manager would have made the process a lot faster.
Justine, I am an architect from Bangladesh with 4-5yrs of work experience in various fields of architecture. I wanted to pursue higher studies in a reputed institution in Europe and wanted to work somewhere in Europe. After finishing an Advanced masters course in Urbanism, Landscape and Planning from one of the best urbanism schools in Belgium i am still unable to find a job in the architecture, urbanism or construction field. That is because I dont speak Dutch fluently and most of them are not willing to sponsor my stay. When an Asian person sacrifices their family and everything to do everything for their career, be sincere and stay committed, pay tuition fees, house rent and contribute to the economy for years,just to never get an opportunity to show that we can do stuff!! You just explained how "committed and trustworthy" your architects and planners were in regard to the renovation of your house. It feels sick to me how the matrix favors Europeans and doesnt even want to give us non-Eu people a chance. Education and service is just a commodity in today's world.
This video and the comments have been such an education. Justine you are providing such good content despite the tough time that you are having. And you have created such a great community. Best of luck for the renovation.
Bonjour Justine. I am a designer and have always worked in architectural firms. ( I am a Chicagoan). You are absolutely correct in your assessment and expectations. The client is king and in my experiences we go to great lengths to listen, then research, then implement everything the client wants. Also bring an educated and extremely well informed advisor is a huge part of the architect/designer’s role. Best of luck going forward. P.S. My maternal grandmother was born and raised in France! Love all things French!
As a pipe engineer (aka building services engineer), architects usually don't know much about structurals and pipes.. They make the space pretty and then pipes come and ruin it, because someone didn't think. Look for civil engineer or as people suggested structural engineer.
I love your positive and proactive approach to problem solving. Bringing in furniture with termite would really worry me, you have enough with the termite that is already in the house, you don't want to find yourself having to treat everything every year! If it get to the beams it will affect the structural integrity... I would not trust that the treatment materials will just eradicate them for ever, I remember my dad having to constantly check beams and "monitor" new termite holes for years in our house, no matter what treatment he used.
These aren’t termites, just little worms, don’t worry. There are no termites in my area, and a house must always be termite-proofed before it may be sold, if the area is risky.
Bon courage pour la rénovation! c'est vraiment un challenge. Et les galères avec les artisans n'ont pas encore commencées! Ici, en bourgogne, même avec un plombier très recommandé, il a fallu être derrière pour les finitions et le chantier a pris du retard. Il me semble que ta meilleure option serait un archi en solo qui a un bon éventail d'artisans avec qui il travaille. Le bouche à oreille est en général le plus efficace pour trouver.
Hello Justine, I just watched your video. I am an architect myself living and working in Köln, Germany. I am so sorry you had to go through all this trouble. You are right with all your concerns and you didn't set the bar too high, your standards are more than normal. The company has to be changed. Unfortunately it's not easy to find a good reliable company nowadays. I also noticed here in Germany how many architecture companies are working like you described. And it's not necessarily that they are bad or they don't know. It's just that they are used like that. There are some of us that learned to adapt and think a bit more progressive, use modern technology etc but so many others are not there yet. I noticed also how bad the communication is between planers and clients in so many cases. There are always exceptions ofc and you only need to have patience and energy to find them. For example, the way I would do your project would be first to scan the house in 3d, model everything and have an "existing situation". Mark and write all the pipes etc. and after that to start deciding and planing what to demolish and what to keep, build new etc. I would model all in 3d and show you realistic renderings with materials and colors etc. at least that's how I do for my clients. I don't want to bore you further with technical details and I am deffinetly not advertising myself or smth, I am just trying to "show" that there are better ways, more sustainable and efficient ways of doing this job. I find it also sad and frustrating when some of us, you as well, are investing so much effort, time and money to do our job well while others don't care and make us waste our time. I am curious how you proceeded further in the end and at what stage are you now with your renovation? Hugs from Köln 🤗
I returned to Belgium...bought a house from 1834...renovation could have been a struggle with the architect...brave or not, I told the woman that her ideas were not in line with the house and me...found a contractor who worked with very experienced crafts people... And indeed I had a vision for a room and relied on them to tell me why it would work or not and what they could do or not do. Have courage Justine, you have tackled big obstacles and are very capable to direct a crew...bon courage because renovations are always a challenge.
Justine, your house is beautiful. I renovated the house I am in…New Jersey, USA…I had a contractor and an architect…the architect that the contractor used was a man from China who was also an engineer. We walked through my house together and it was good to hear all the different ideas…etc. The main part of my renovation was completed in 2019…but there are still things I am doing as time goes bye…things will work out…it is always a stressful process…hang in there…it will all be worth it!
I wish you were in Australia! We have "heritage architects", specialising in refurbishing old buildings. Here a client deals with the architects directly. The architect guarantees, that the plan is working, complies with regulations and structurally sound. We would like to see the plans of the whole building, ( it is important to know which walls are structural, which ones are holding up the roof, and challange your viewers. Very important to wright down your BRIEF ! What your needs are how much is your budget, and ask for a schematic design first. Sometimes it is best to let the architect tell you, what is possible in the given building, and how to achieve it. Only when you are happy with it, move onto the next phase and ask for the working drawings and specification. You can present hese to the council and get an approval, and go out to tender, to find a builder, who can build it for you. Agree on the budget , so you are not going to pay for extras, and if possible, do not make changes after you made a contract, because usually they add to the cost. The working drawings will tell you what electrical and plumbing work will need, and you can get a few quotes on them before you start. But you can sell it and move to Spain, if you find it too challenging.
Good luck! I think it's so wonderful that you're looking after the history of the house. Hopefully a few years headache with the renovations will be appreciated for generations to come. ❤
I hear you Justin. it sounds similar like renovation of our grandparent’s house. For option 3 is I think you need structural civil engineer to collaborate with the architects
I haven’t read all the other comments, so forgive me if I’m repeating something others have said. I would recommend finding that unicorn / option B and the only way I know is to approach many people in your area who have renovated their homes and ask them for contacts where they’ve had great experiences and then to meet those people and see if it’s a fit. In the process you’ll also learn from their mistakes (if they’re open) and people you should not hire. The critical person is the contractor, I think, not so much the architect. Whilst the architect should give you the best plans, there will still be unexpected issues that crop up and a good contractor will need to be able to draw on experience and problem solve those issues. We’re not in France, but that’s been the only way that has helped us hire good people. Even then, continue asking questions and check up very regularly (daily if possible), to keep everyone on the same page. Good luck!
A: I love that you want to keep a lot of the old character of the home, Sorry for your home issues and your architect issuers. Looks like you have a good vision. You need to hire someone who gets your vision.
Dear Justine . Speaking from personal experience after getting one bathroom and kitchen completely renovated in south of France, it's very very difficult to find the unicorn. We got one very luckily. But the second time, not so much. Go with word of mouth. Talk to close friends and family who have had work done at their homes. If possible make a house visit. Drop the agency and go for contactors if possible.
Hi Justine ! It's best to look for an architect who has strong construction knowledge - yes, there are such on the market. Just like in every industry there are different architects. Apparently this project is a little over your agency. If you can't find an architect with an engineering background, then look for a construction engineer who will manage the entire process of major repairs to the building's structure. I have a feeling that when it comes to interior design, you'll be fine.
I don’t have any personal experience with architects and renovations but my late cousin was a Draftsman and often said architects don’t like being questioned it’s kinda of an artistic temperament kinda thing so the draftsman ‘fixed’ the architects issues and he talked to clients more than the architect! Obviously not all are like that but they do have a general reputation of being like that!
Had similar issues with architects in another country than France. Ended up firing the architect, learned the software's to draft the designs we wanted. Hired a structural engineer to make everything come together. Hired trades people directly and worked with them and the local government as needed.
The very best of luck with your renovation project! I’m so happy to hear you will keep the beautiful old traits in the house❤ Such a pity when ppl tear down good materials and craftsmanship, often it’s like the soul of the house. Great buys on the flee marked too, feels good to improve furniture yourselves. Remember holes also may be ants that eat wood, but usually in small furniture it’s empty and old, like in your case. The house is going to be beautiful and just as you want it.😊
We had a company who should do the plan and also the renovation itself. After seeing how badly the plans were done and how they ignored my updates, we decided to chose someone else to do it. Roughly 2 months before we needed to start working on it. Luckily found a good company. We didn’t have time for finishing detailed plans but we were discussing all things as we went and it worked. I am so glad we didn’t keep the same company!
Here in the Netherlands we have specialised renovation contractors and they often work with specific architects. You might also want to ask your crafts people if they have any ideas about good contractors with renovation experience. And here if something is old enough it gets a monumental status and there is a bunch rules and regulations, which is a bunch of effort. But then the governmental body also often has resources on who is good to work with.
You likely need an independent architect who works on contract rather than percentage of overall costs. That person will grab your vision without being pressured by their agency to upsell you on new material. When interviewing prospects ask for references and check on them. Best of luck!
Salut Justine, I have renovated our house (from ca. 1750) here in Switzerland 8 years ago and would like to give you the following advice: go find an architect who really understands your needs and aestetical vision, but that has enough technical skills to deal with the craftsmen on the battlefield. It’s like love at first sight, you will feel it when meeting the right one and sometimes one has to kiss some frogs.. If it starts like you are describing - hands off! The problem with old houses is, that although hiring a great architect and experienced craftsmen, during the renovation process a lot of unexpected things will come up anyways and cost you extra money. Therefore it is so important to have a good start with people you feel are committed to the project and who know what they are doing. It will be a challenge, but it is always worth it because what you get is something completely unique. ❤
I have renovated 4 houses in Arkansas with the help of my excellent "handyman." I told him what I wanted. Move walls, rip out bathroom and start over, redo kitchen, add closet, remove closet, change shape of dining room, etc. And he did exactly what I wanted. It was great. Are you overthinking this?
❤❤❤Oh Justine! I don’t live in France, I live in NYC. But from my own experience when we bought a fixer upper on the beach, we definitely needed an experienced and highly rated contractor. I know exactly what you feel and what you’re going through. It’s a long and expensive process. 😩😩😩 At the end, I know you’ll have a home of your dreams! Love your channel. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😁👌🏻
The first thing that comes to my mind are Back to the chateau crew, especially the husband cause he is engineer and knows stuff..and helps people all over France ☺️
Option 4: Hire an architect and "his" craftworkers ( a small crew) from Poland! ... or from Romania. They'd be happy to do the good and fast work, and I think that there is a little guesthouse in that village where they could stay...
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Eso pasa con los arquitectos y trabajadores, le toca a uno pensar y preguntar todo el tiempo cómo van a mover la tuberia o las líneas, donde va a quedar tal cosa y etc. Asegurarse que va bien. No sé porque es igual en todo el mundo y el maestro de obra está mas capacitado que el arquitecto.
Justine, I miss your videos!
Option 3: Find renovated historical homes that you admire. Talk to their owners. You’ll find the architect you seek. As longtime entrepreneurs, your experience resonates with my husband & I. I sometimes find myself biting my tongue to keep from asking, “Shall I pay you to watch me do the work?” Thanks for taking us along on your journey.
Fantastic idea 👍
That sounds like really good advice!
Kinda how I found my current hairstylist. I just went up to a woman with a really good haircut and asked her, who she went to. It felt awkward, but she didn't mind and took it as a great compliment.
Yes. As someone who did historical renovation and rehab, it sounds like the architects have little to no appreciation of such things. That’s OK… it’s just not what Justine needs or wants.
Agree!!!
My husband and I admired a beautiful Victorian that had been renovate . I knocked on their door and apologized for the intrusion but told the owners how much we appreciate their renovation and asked if they could recommend the company they used. They're were more than happy to share with us the names and companies the used. This June we'll be moving into our newly renovated home just a street away from the the house we admire, we're soon will be neighbors!!!😊
This 👆. Even if it sets you back several months, reculer pour mieux sauter.
My experience after three years renovating in the south of Spain: Look for houses in your area that have been renovated in a way you like, ask owners and builders working there for arquitects names. Talking to neighbours or craftspeople: never ask for recommendations, because people will recommend, their brother, uncle or cousin. Ask: who did your house? Become best friends with the owner of the hardware store and the builders yard. They know everybody!
Also: the really good ones will be very busy-be prepared to wait. Patience is important or you might have to settle for second best. Anyone that can start a project straight away is probably not very good or they would not be available.
I learned so much here, all sensible, concrete advice that doesn't leave room for error. Thank you for sharing.
I don’t know that it’s necessarily true that just because someone’s available they aren’t good. She may get lucky and happen upon someone who’s in between jobs just as she’s looking, or perhaps they had a job scheduled but it fell through for whatever reason. I wouldn’t dismiss someone just because they’re not busy. Instead, she should ask for references from recent clients, maybe arrange to visit those clients and see the work for herself.
@@NadiaEldemerdash that's actually how we found our dream builder, he just had two days between jobs to do some emergency work we needed done. He listened, communicated and even send us fotos when he finished. But to do the big renovation work we needed done, we had to wait another six month for him to be available for several weeks.
I was going to recommend just that. I would add, asking were the hiccups in the process and see if you could live, work with it.
Fantastic comment! 👌🏻
Hi Justine from the USA. 👋🏼 I’m an interior designer and I spent almost 10 years working for an architectural firm. What I found was often the cause of “disconnect” was that the architects who are paid 💰 had never ever worked a day as a craftsman or layperson. They had the book smarts and theoretical knowledge, but they had absolutely no idea how the work actually gets done. This became an issue during renovations of old homes that had been constructed before building codes were written. I was called out to jobsites to take a look at all sorts of strange findings. (Literally, there were times where we discovered that whoever built the house 150 years ago ran out of lumber for framing and used random items like table legs instead. 🤣) I always tried to use these puzzling situations as a learning experience. I’d go out to site and ask the plumber/carpenter/electrician/whoever to show me what was the problem and why it wouldn’t work as planned, and then brainstorm together to come up with a solution. We’d also bring in the homeowner(s) to show them the situation so they didn’t feel like they were being ripped off. However, my colleagues wouldn’t do the same with their projects. They’d act arrogant toward the laypeople/trades who honestly knew better. They would make excuses to the homeowners. Etc. All that to say: maybe after getting your plans finalized, working either with a construction engineer or directly with the tradesmen would be best. Ask them to include you when your plans need to pivot. You’ll learn a lot too, which I think you’ll enjoy. Everything I learned on the job helped me when I remodeled my own house. Together, my husband and I have framed walls, demolished and rebuilt bathrooms, installed toilets and faucets, hung drywall, laid tile, etc and it’s been very enjoyable. 🤓
And also, don't go on vacation when work is being done to your home. I was a office manager for an interior designer for a short time and while there is a fine line to walk between being aware of the tradesmen doing the work correctly and haranguing them and micromanaging, a 2 week vacation cost them more than they planned because the installers put curtains in the wrong places and it had to be redone.
France is famous for house/apartment construction and renovation being very different from how it's done in North America. I suggest people read American David Lebovitz's book L'Appart The Delights and Disasters of Making my Paris Home. He also has a blog. Plus he has a French partner who also went crazy getting this reno completed.
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Yes! In the USA, I trust the tradespeople my friends have used more than I would trust an architect. I’m sure building codes are very different, but as a whole a general carpenter will have all the connections and a great one will help you with your vision and a practical way to achieve it
Dear Justine, I am sorry you are having difficulties with your architects. One thing I wanted to mention was when you do find someone you will use to start the project for you, make sure you list in the contract all the things in the house you want to be protected and saved while the contractors are carrying out their work, your beautiful tiled floor, the doors and shutters, the mantelpiece. Photograph them and attch them to the contract before signature. Otherwise, the whole place will become a building site and irreplaceable architecture will be ruined. I do hope you find someone soon.
That is a truly precious advice! Pics attached to the written demands, so very necessary. ❤
So that even the educated idiots (sorry, I meant self-proclaimed intelectually superior architects = shortsighted theory infused egocentrics - who may again think they know better..) get to understand they will be held accountable, legally, if they try to dismiss your very reasonable demands. Don't be nice anymore. Most of them don't deserve it yet. They ought to prove themselves first to you. You are the queen, you are the client. ❤ I wish you all the best, Justine.
I also apologise for taking it so personally, but I had a similar issue with almost being overrun by experts who dismissed my wishes and questions. Cannot respect people of that level anymore. 💁♀️
Totally agree. But in addition, put masking tape on the things you want saved, and write that these are staying, or do not remove. Workers need a constant reminder of these things, as sometimes they get very focused and can forget!
yes! i cannot recommend this enough. everything documented in writing with photos. and bright, loud, cannot-miss-it notes on all the things in the house as a reminder. remove what you want saved and safely store it away, if you can. because some people will stop looking at documents, do what they want or do from corrupted memory (i thought we did it this way/you wanted it this way) and need in-the-face-everyday poking. I work in IT and encounter these situations all the time. drives me bonkers. look at it from the newbie perspectives and even things you didn't think needed pointed out....point them out! a lot.
Good point! You might even put a hefty price on any damaged areas that you want to keep. A Landscape Architect friend designed an entire landscape for shade loving plants around a grand old oak tree. The contractors cut out a root, the tree died, the whole endeavor was ruined and became a lawsuit. Now this professional puts a large penalty amount on certain features if they become compromised. It is highly motivating for the craftsmen to preserve those items.
good idea. I purchased a flat in Budapest as it was being renovated. It was a very old, beautiful space with lots of original details. When I got the apartment, they stole the antique doorhandles and other bits and pieces they could sell and was left with some awful second hand handles from the 70s or 80s. Lesson learned, and I no longer long for a place in Budapest.
Hi Justine! My advice is start all over again. You'll probably regret if you don't. I did! And mine was a much easier project. It's clear you don't trust them anymore. The best of luck to you! 😘
1. DITCH THE CURRENT AGENCY!
2. Do not double your estimated time frame, but *quadruple* it.
3. Install tarpaulins over the leaky roofs, more solid than a temporary makeshift might need.
4. Now that you probably hate me for my recommendations: Let us find your unicorn: Unicorns are rare, but they exist 🦄
Put the cart before the horse: Approach the last guilds instead of the first ones typically scheduled in such reconstruction projects. The ones of your least priorities within your schedule right now. The ones that get deferred the most due to construction delays: Built-in furniture restorer/conservator, flooring/ tilers, painters, gardeners, etc. Ask them for their experience, ask for names of architect offices, solo architects, construction management offices, solo construction managers, ASO. They know and can tell stories about who & what & why reconstruction projects were run in what circumstances, schedule, expertise, manner, delays, and so forth. Be open minded regarding the narrative angle you might experience. Perhaps not just ask the boss in the showroom, but also the "simple & quiet" workers (who typically direct any enquirer to the boss; these workers have the unfiltered real-time experience you intend to trace back), on-site if there are any. Or at the chip shop @ lunch break, or at/in the pub @ after-work beer.
The third option you asked for: Make a time-limited appeal within your existing social media network. Ask for expertise first hand or third hand, perhaps (or hopefully) team up irl.
I wish you success.
I have no clue, BUT an architect who suggests you to cover those tiles and change those doors has definitely to GO. Good luck! Waiting for news, the house looks fantastic.
Option 3: Look for a construction engineer. You'll need one anyway since you are planning to do structural changes and they usually know the local architects and craftspeople.
Great idea!
Very good point. Here in Canada, if you want to modify walls, you need a structural engineer's report. Since Justine mentioned issues that may arise once a wall is down, this will solve the issue before any walls are removed.
Yes,the current one seems more concerned with the cosmetics rather than the actual structure. Seems to want to strip all the charming elements. Maybe she runs a reclaimation business on the side!
Absolutely. We had a construction engineer who is also a house inspector. Great advice and technical drawings.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. With all the opening and wall changes, you’ll need someone aware of the bearing walls that cannot be moved.
TRUST YOUR GUT. Fire that firm. As many suggest below, look/ask around. Find finished work you really like and use that firm/person. Renovations are notoriously slow and more expensive than contemplated. But slow is entirely different from not doing with your house what you told them you wanted done, not having answers to reasonable (and unreasonable) questions, and not having thought through options/alternatives. The last point really matters because most budgets are limited so there will be many decisions to make--such as: can you have x if you cut y, or do y differently, etc. Like finding a good doctor, a good question is: If I were rich and famous, who would I hire? Maybe start there. If you can't afford them, maybe they can recommend someone who they mentor or who does good work but at a lesser price. Good luck with your beautiful gem of a house and keep us posted!
My friend (we live in California) inherited an old house in France. The house is very narrow 3-story house, 1 room on each story, looks like it was built between 2 other houses 🤔 he had to renovate it too. French contractors drove him nuts 😖 same frustration as you experience now … he hired Swiss guys, they did everything fast and as he wanted.
This is too funny
I am from the Netherlands and renovated a house in the Haute Provence twenty years ago. I did not want to write this to you but it was a complete hell for almost three years. I always thought it is because I am not fluent in French but overall it is the work ethics that are different than yours. You approched the project with a German attitude: You do what you say and on time and if you don’t know an answer you look it up or reccomand another craftsperson. That was never the case. In the end our solution was to work with other European Dutch, contractors who had businesses in the lived in the area with the same work attitude as myself.
As a Dutch woman who once lived in an old house in Normandy, I totally agree wtith this difference in work ethics.
My first reaction was, you hired the wrong people, but then again I don't live in France. When I read your comment I think that is the way to go!
I agree. We renovate here in Austria and at the moment it is difficult to get handyworkers. I think you should prepare for a long go and no quick solutuon...
-.- i agree. cultural differences are a thing, in food, social contacts and work ethics.
I feel your pain but not from similar experience, just from friends. It helps if you could get some friends or other folks under construction to recommend someone. Word of mouth has always helped me. Good lock and keep your cool. This to will pass.
Dear Justine, I feel your struggle! As an architect working in Venice (yes, only renovations!) I looove your home and your desire to keep the precious historical finishes and materials, I wish I met more clients like yourself! I would advise to find another architect which works with historical buildings. I wouldn't rely only on an engineer, they usually aren't trained to do the detailed renovation work you're looking for.. I see many more useful advices in the comment section. Good luck! ❤
Pourquoi ne pas demander à un ou
plusieurs maçons ou plombiers ou peintres de la région par ex de vous indiquer un archi du coin ? Ils auront probablement de bonnes recommandations à faire 😊 ou à des habitants du village qui ont fait une rénovation ? Voire même les commerçants -le réseau local quoi 😊
Cet architecte m’a été recommandé localement 😢
@@justineleconte oh mince 😬
Would love to see more videos like this and the progress of the renovation/changes and ideas of your beautiful house
No, you did not set the bar too high. The freelance architect is probably your better bet. It's time to change the agency. Hopefully, you have architect friends (not necessarily the same region) they may give you some tips on what might be happening and maybe help you to separate the good from bad options. Also it's critical to get a good contractor, they will always find things which will not work from their point of view. There are many cowboys, and you might have the best design but a terrible contractor will derail the project in a bad way. My experience is that it can take even up to a year to schedule a good one. So if you have not already then get a head start on that so you won't have to wait long to start execution. Your project looks challenging, but I know you will get there!😊
This comment (suggestion) makes the most sense to me, Justine. I am on my 4th (hopefully the final) contractor for my 940 square foot condo… I have not had good luck in USA(where language isn’t an issue) but my project is viewed as “small,”and not a large money-making project. My heart goes out to you. You know you have a huge fan/support base! You have given the current firm adequate time to show their commitment and “expertise.” It’s not a good fit from what you have shared. Keep us all in the loop! We don’t want another winter for you like last year! ❤
Looks like you have received some solid advice here. Maybe as part of your vetting process, make sure they understand you are looking for someone with a similar work ethic and communication skills. Knowing how to do the job isn't enough. You need someone with the integrity to own up when they don't know something and to follow up when they say they will do something. Starting over may cause delays and be more expensive in the short run, but cutting corners now will mean more expenses down the road and will probably cost you more. Keep us informed!
You are making all the right decisions Justine. Follow your intuition for your renovation. My husband bought a farmhouse built in 1881. When I first saw it I thought he was crazy buying that house and for taking on such a huge project but we renovated the entire house keeping a lot of the original woodwork and architectural elements and loved the end results. You are not setting the bar too high for your architect. You are paying the agency and they should provide you with results you want. Perhaps you can hire a German architect!
I renovated an old house two years ago and if I could go back, I would have fired the first company and find a new one. It will set you back months, but that time will be worth it in the long run. Good luck, you brave girl.
Oh, I feel this! My mom (who is German) lives in France. Anyone who has lived in a country that “gets things done right, right away, the first time (like in the US, Germany), and then moves to a country that has a mañana/laissez faire culture …it is beyond frustrating. I’m so sorry you’re going through this and I hope you get some resolution soon!
Hi Justine. I’ve been an interior designer for over 40 years and know communication is Everything. I like your idea of a single independent architect with exceptionally happy clients whose projects you can see and evaluate for yourself. As you can draw, I’d suggest you draw elevations of the spaces you want.
Prioritize all the details in a space so you’re ready to make intelligent choices when you’re asked to make a change from what is in your head and your heart. Really press for what you really really want. You’ll probably have to sacrifice somewhere else but if you’ve prioritized it won’t be so painful.
Keep paper and pencil by your bed. Clustering where you’ll use water will help save plumbing costs. When you draw elevations, think ok, how am I going to bring electricity here. Where will all my technical mechanicals go so your power needs will be met for your design needs. In your plan add soft lighting to welcome you with pools of light to create an effect, as well as make a few spots for cozy reading. Will you have art or special places to highlight. Then after you’ve thought about your lighting needs in detail, consult
With a lighting designer. And Justine….. take your time to enjoy your process. You’ll be able to once you find the right architect. Best wishes to you. I’ll enjoy hearing how your project is going.
Several years ago I renovated an over 120 years old stone house in Greece. I went around the area and where I found tastefully renovated houses, I asked for information. That's how I found the right craftsmen for the work.
Justine, your house is so AMAZING! I agree with you on keeping the authenticity in the floor and woodworking. I hope your architect issues are resolved soon…what a nightmare! I live in South Florida, USA, where everyone tears down historic buildings and houses to rebuild bigger and better. The neighborhood I grew up in is the oldest in our county, but all of the houses are new again. It’s so disheartening to see the quaint, old houses disappear.
I really feel for you Justine. This happened to my parents. In the end the builder, an experienced local, and my father became the ones who designed and executed. My father had already designed the basic outline of the house. My father was using heritage colonial (uneven convict made) bricks, 19thС internal doors, wooden ceilings, etc. so it was very much a mixture of old and new. The people who bought the house after my father died made a plaque for the front of the building saying this is the house.... (my father's name)... built in 1976. It is a magnificent house to live in. Thank you (my father's name) and (the contractor's name). You are a designer, so don't devalue your knowledge. Of course you are not an architect, but maybe working with a good contractor could work? Just a thought. Be confident, but of course, super old buildings present special problems too. Super good luck! (from Australia)
What a special house. So sad it had to be sold out of your family.
@@user-no2mz9hl4f It is an amazing house. It's up in a very high spot with a bush reserve directly in front of it and with a due north aspect (the best aspect in the southern hemisphere) it overlooks Palm Beach/Barrenjoey Lighthouse, Lion Island, Broken Bay and Kuringai Chase. The most beautiful perfect view all day long with spectacular sunrises and sunsets everyday. The house was built with very heavy duty foundations and thick brick walls between every room. It was impossible for my mother to live there after my father died - it was their retirement project. The plaque was coincided by a beautiful letter about how much the new family enjoyed living in the house, and this was actually a great comfort to us to know the house is so solid, with that view from every room, that it's unlikely to be knocked down like cheaper project houses.
I think Justine's house has this built for the ages feel about it too :)
Was going to suggest that.
My friend, who's in construction, used to show me the screw ups architects had made on various job sites. The contractor & the subcontractors (carpenters, cabinmakers, electricians, plumbers, etc) were probably more capable of renovating the place without any architect than with the useless ones they often worked with (whose work had to be corrected).
One example : a cabinetmaker was given a drawing for some built-ins ... problem was that the dimensions of the built-ins to be made were one inch bigger than the opening they went Into. Even I caught that mistake & I'm no architect. The cabinetmaker caught it though. Because of all his experience.
Find a good builder & get suggestions from him. Then hire him if you like what he says.
I am currently renovating my house. I wanted everything done quickly, but getting it done the way I wanted and to the quality I wanted was becoming untenable. (I am doing a lot of the work, as well as contractors for some outwith my skill set).
So, I decided to change my tactics. I used more local people, with personal recommendations. I decided I would rather wait and find the right contractor for each job. I changed the time scale to focus on one room at a time, in detail, and finished to my expectations. As some contractors were unable to achieve what I wanted, I chose to increase my own skills and technical knowledge.
I am much happier with the work and quality done. Surprisingly, I have found an interesting side effect, the pleasure in my own personal learning and physical work has become a mindful exercise. Even looking back later gives me a good memory of doing the work and seeing the final quality now pride and reassurance going forward living here. The new skills also has proved greatly beneficial in my studio practice.
This is probably a tactic you done want to do, but I have found the flexibility of being able to change to the environment has achieved a more varied and better results. I hope you read this and good luck with your project.
I am renovating in Spain and I did the same, after a lot of problems with many different contractors and and architects I realized that the great final project that I had in my mind was not understood by all of them. So I focus on one room at a time with different people for each specific task that they are very good at (as recommended). Locally everyone knows each other and people in the town/area where you live will tell you who is good and who isn't. At the end you will get what you want but it will take a lot of time looking for the right person, patience and communication.
Well done. We are renovation for five years now and if there are mistakes, we laugh at them. It feels better to see your own mistakes than others you have paid for. We even give the mistakes epic names.
Hi, Justine!
I am a manager of a university master programme for international real estate valuation and I have one observation and one proposal for You!
In this industry there is an even bigger gap in the communication between the planing side of the building (aka your agency) and the executive side (the builders and other skilled people).
Fire the agency and hire a building company. A family company. And be their project manager. You have the vision of the house and they have the know how. It will work!
Former architecture major here: There are many sub disciplines in the field; an architect that designs houses is not the same as an architect that designs hospitals, and neither is the same as someone who redesigns _historic_ buildings. Always vet the firm/independent architect you're hiring to see what their experience and skills set is. They could be an amazing designer of new single family urban residences but have no understanding of rural vernacular architecture. Hope things are improving for you, and that the next update shows progress that pleases you!
Hi Justine, I don't have advice regarding the architects, just wanted to share something regarding the master bathroom.
From my personal experience, I would be reluctant to put it in an extension - a space with 3 external walls + under a roof. I grew up in costal Croatia (very hot summers, cold and windy winters), in a house with no insulation and I haaaaated my showers. The bathroom was smaller than yours but still it would never heat up to a comfortable level. Consider a good heating option, maybe floor heating, plus insulation.
I would consider a dining space in an extension (if it's logical).
Also, if you can, avoid putting too many doors/passages in your bedrooms. You lose on useful wall space, and create a lot of movement/paths (which according to feng shui is not relaxing).
I didn’t think about it until you mentioned the challenges you are experiencing, but all the TH-cam channels I follow that are doing renovations on homes in France are without exception the home owner doing the work themselves. It appears to be a very DIY-friendly place from the looks of things and I can certainly understand the DIY approach if it is difficult or impossible to get tradespeople. Here are a few: The Chateau Diaries (Stephanie & Philip), Escape to Rural France (Dan), How to Renovate a Chateau (Anna & Philip), Manor & Maker Chateau Adventures in France, and Two Poofs and a Pug. Hope you find the path forward that works for you, I feel your frustration! Your home has a lot of gorgeous potential!
My architect brother has many funny sayings. Funny, in a tragicomic way.
1. Do you want your project to be a) fast, b) of high quality, c) economical? Pick two. A client can have any two of those three things, but not all three.
2. When a project is 80% done, there's still another 80% to go.
Having myself been involved in a new home build with a sloppy designer (I found the misaligned weight bearing column in the blueprint myself, and the drawing was still incorrect in the next round of blueprints! etc) and a builder who took no pride in his work. We were in a rush. The best designers and builders locally were booked for 2-3 years. Every time I look at the mistakes and missed opportunities I wonder if we should've waited. But life goes on, and there's a cost to perfectionism, too.
You have the design and research ability to do a fine room layout, figure out floor plans general plumbing, electricals and ductwork, But it takes time to learn standard widths, heights and requirements, and you'd still have the problem of who's responsible for producing accurate specifications that subcontractors can follow, that meet building code, and won't disqualify you with an insurance company or mortgage bank if there's ever a problem. So in the end I think you're right: you're much smarter and more focused than your architect, but even a savvy consumer can't necessarily act as the primary architect.
And you already realize that a historical reno is a process. A plan gets you started, but from there on it's a series of discoveries and problem solving to get to a good outcome.
Good craftsmen are scarce everywhere, but there must be many good historical reno architects in your area. If you could find a good builder/carpenter somehow, he can probably tell you which architects he likes to work with. He can afford to be picky about whom to work with because there's more work available than workers.
I liked the idea of working backwards: find house renos that are at least 3 years old (so the residents know if the reno actually works well) and ask them for the name of the builders and designer. Or maybe a retired master craftsman? Maybe you could hire someone like that for a consultation, even if they don't have time to take on the whole project?
Not knowing France, I wonder if a home insurance company could tell you which local builders they trust working with when there's insurance repairs to be done. Or if there's a building inspection department, maybe they know names of tradespeople who don't cause inspection problems.
Best of luck. I hope a real expert in the comments can give you useful advice.
Some really useful, sensible ideas and suggestions Lighthouse1852. Makes great sense.
We have a similar ceiling in our kitchen here in France. If the wood between the beams is the floorboards of the room above you may want to put accoustic insulation between the beams....
I get you! I am no plumber or electrician but if I ask a question and they can’t answer me - I get frustrated and usually fire them.
Keep interviewing until you find someone that is not offended by questions. 💙
Me too.
Oh, Justine. I don't have experience of renovating in France so I can't help with that. But I do have experience with architects and it would seem your problem is common. Certainly here in Scotland I ended up communicating with my architect in writing. I made specific requests and set clear timescales. I also engaged all other professionals personally. The builder I hired supplied the quantity surveyor, plumber and plasterer in addition to the carpenters. However I hired my own structural engineer and electrician. I liaised with the planning department personally and supervised the entire job. It's exhausting and not an experience I would be in a hurry to repeat. None of the options available to you offer a quick solution unfortunately. I actually contacted the professional body for architects here in Scotland for advice. I'm sure there will be a similar organisation in France. Perhaps it would be worth contacting them? And good luck. It will be worth it when it's done so hold on to that vision x
Architects are supposed to work with the client. This means that they are supposed to take your ideas and make them work. Interaction being important. Good luck finding the right person 🇦🇺🎸⚡️🤘🏿🤘🏼💋❤️
She is not building a house from scratch, where you use an architect. She needs an Interior Designer that has a construction background that does rehabs
Justine, you don't need these fancy name architecture firms, you need a family-owned small company which many immigrants have in France, with good inherited craftsmanship and practical knowledge of renovation. My relatives work like that for example (cannot recommend because they are far from you, but I am sure if you ask around, you can find them locally too), and for a more reasonable price, faster service and more dedication I am sure. So if I were you, I would step out of my comfort zone that Germany probably got you accustomed : ) and using corporate polished services brought on platter gor you into this situation - so to speak, so don't do online search and go out and try to find someone with word of mouth. That would be my advice.
I absolutely agree. Word of mouth is always best.
Justine, we are not renovating a house but building a new one on a piece of land we bought. The contractor took $85,000 that we gave him, did about half the job, and left. Now we are scrambling to complete this and no one will take on someone else's started work because they don't want to be liable for how it's built. If I were you I would just take your architect plans (find a new one that you like first) to a local construction company or builder and make sure you only pay them in stages once each step you agree on is complete. I wish someone told me this when we started.
From a prior renovation experience, I’d suggest to you to make one room very comfy, this will take a while, and as others said, better to be delayed that incorrectly done.
Also when you find the arch and a structural engineer, make sure to be part of their conversations, to learn about the issues and challenges. Also take pictures while in the process, in case you need to go back later for any changes, or additions to the rooms or house, after it’s been all done.
It’s alway good to know where the pipes and electrical are running.
Trust your gut.
Good advice. Maybe insulate only one room and heat it and live on the construction site. Saves money and gives control. If you are far away, people do what they want.
As a Brit I look at this house and shiver thinking how cold it looks, then I remember how hot Provence gets and if I lived there I’d be so thankful for the tiled floors and whitewashed walls 😂 I love how you want to keep the original features, you are the right person to own a house like this, it’s destiny so keep going! Finding good trades people of any kind is incredibly difficult in the UK, too many rip of merchants and people who just don’t take pride in their jobs. Sadly you just have to shop around, and when you find someone good hold onto them for dear life. I think you should end your relationship with that agency, sounds like it’s a them problem. You’ll be thankful when this is all finished.
Me too, as a Finn! But I have to say that English-style buildings are some of the coldest I've experienced. I lived in Australia for a while and never have I been as cold as I was in the mornings in winter in Victoria! The single-layer windows and thin walls are horrible. Finnish houses are so well insulated and the windows have three layers, so even at -30 it's not that cold indoors.
@@kisikisikisi oh in the UK we don’t have single layer windows anymore, all houses have to have double glazing now. Australias completely different, our houses are very well insulated so we actually do struggle in summer because they keep the heat in.
Justine: trust your instincts, realize this is going to take MUCH LONGER than you anticipated, interview as many people as you can, pray for some luck. As you interview people, you will learn things and get an idea of what people are able/willing to do. Looking at restored homes and finding out who did the work is a great suggestion as is taking pictures and including them in the contract.
I did a minor renovation in California this past summer into winter. Many things went wrong. I was lucky to find an honest and kind contractor who saved my bacon (American expression).
Keep looking and get ready for another winter because this cannot be done quickly short of a miracle.
The structural engineer is a good idea. Start with them to find out if the things you want done can be done.
Trust your instincts. If they can't answer your questions, they are not for you (and probably aren't for anyone else either). My house turned out beautiful but the stress was overwhelming and these were minor renovations. I have no idea how things work in France, but from the other comments, I am now suspecting that there are a lot of unskilled people in Europe trying to make a living in order to survive. The educated idiots you encountered seemed like they didn't have experience and were not trained to prioritize the client.
Look for the unicorn. I found one. This is not a unicorn, but close enough:🦓
Hello from Toronto. Your video brings back memories of my husband and I went through when we renovated or 100 year old craftsman style house in Toronto. I don’t know if any of our experiences would be applicable in France. After interviewing several architects, we decided to hire a designer rather than an architect. Our designer was extremely knowledgable about the technical aspects of the work done by the trades but also produced a very liveable design for our family. We hired a general contractor who worked directly with the designer. As my husband is a structural engineer, he reviewed the plans that were submitted to the city for approval and offered a number of helpful comments. I remember that the initial architectural plans, placed a powder room on the first floor
opening directly from the open plan living /dining area. Of course that was unacceptable and contrary to the designer’s plan. The rationale given to us was That the powder room location was dictated by the location of the plumbing stack. The designer quickly pointed out that the plumbing stack could be moved as we were renovating the entire second floor in any case. She produced a revised design with an alcove and hallway off the open plan living room so there was essentially a small corridor leading to the powder room. It was very important to us that our designer who was independent of the general contractor inspected the work of the trades and suggested minor changes as necessary.
Hi Justine, Im an architect and I can tell you that your expectations are exactly on point. I gotta say that I don't work in France, but its just good sense that if you pay someone to offer you technical solutions, they offer you technical solutions! Sadly, that are a lot of poor professionals everywhere in the world. Im really sorry for your experience.
P.S. Pleeeasee don't let them change any original details, if they are even thinking of it, they might not be the right crew to help you to update while keeping it beautiful.
Any architect who would want to remove the beautiful ornaments/tiles/doors in your home that drew you in from the start is not worth your money or time. Fire them! In the states we have engineers who are required to approve all designs when walls are moved/added. Start there. TH-cam also has many channels that show people in France renovating chateaus--mostly enterprising British or Americans who vlog their adventures. Perhaps they are closer than you know!! I will be following ALL of your content whether fashion or renovation. Best wishes!
A tip for your smaller wood part pieces of your furniture: should you stll have the worms, put any fitting piece in the deep freezer for several hours. The wood eating worms will die and the leftovers will not affect that piece.
I'm dealing with a leaky roof myself. My heart goes out to you!
Hi Justine! I'm also stuck in the middle of reconstruction, just not in France but in Czechia. I'm also an entrepreneur and I really felt that bit about how your experiences raises the expectations of expertise in others. I laughed bitterly, because I second that! But at least I was lucky with my architect. He is self-employed, has some experience with reconstructions and I really liked his other realizations. Firstly he was suprised how deeply I care about every level of the design, but he was receptive to my feedback and questions. Study phase looked more as a collaboration than a hire, and yes, there was an increase in price for me due to increase of time spent on that study - but if he didn't reflect my input, I would end up with plans that I wouldn't want to build on. And that would cost me more. I recommend you to change the studio. Worry more about what you might end up regretting it in the long run than about time and money already spent - that's already gone. There is someone out there who would love to do your house and is perfect for it and clearly it's not this agency. Good luck!
Option 3: find an experienced local constructor. You have a very good idea of what you want with the house, so you really need someone with the practical experience to work with a place like this. Plus, they will probably know which craftspeople to work with.
Hi Justine, we live in a Mas in Northern Luberon and we have done a lot of renovation on it since we bought it 14 years ago as a vacation home; now our primary residence. Some hints:
1. You don't need an architect unless your house has more then 170 m2 and you want to extend it. We extended our house to 200 m2 2 years ago and there we needed an architect for the building permit. There the plans were also not correct and the craftsmen (which I had contracted myself) corrected it during construction.
2. The structral renovations on our Mas took 2 years (luckily we didn't live there for the year). Complete new roof with 50 cm of insulation (against the heat). Old heating out, new in (reversible heatpumps). Old electricity out, new in. Old plumbing out, new in (constructed 2 new bathrooms - the old one was a cupboard, like yours). Tearing done even structural walls for a better distribution of rooms. New double glazed windows. Parts were done by craftsmen, other parts DIY.
3. For shutters, new windows you don't need a "Permit de Construire", usually a "Declaration de Travaux" at the Mairie is sufficient. When I did the roof I did neither of those and it was quite a big undertaking with new beams etc. One day a guy from the Mairie came and asked about the "Permit". I told him its a reparation because of infiltrations, so it was ok for him.
If you would like to have some further advice, do not hestitate to contact me.
I also would definitely keep the floor, doors, windows, etc. I especially love the ceiling and fireplace. Those features are what probably drew you to the house initially. If you are unhappy with the agency, go with your gut and move on to another one. What time is lost now will not matter when everyone is working together and on the same page and you're happy.
Hi Justine, no experience in France but having gone through the process of building a custom home. Here are a few things 1)- An A level architect will cost a ton more than most people’s budget but these people will look over the project vs just leaving it to the junior people to do whatever, like in your case. So, some management is needed. An independent architect can still make mistake and will be slower to deliver due to working on multiple projects. They need management too, just in a different way 2)-Trust your instincts. If you have doubts, it is only to get worse. 3)- Your architect needs to be able to do the style that you envision, not what they envision. Super important as people have mentioned. As for me, I fired 2 designers, one individual, the second was a firm. Both weren’t that detailed oriented even though they were highly recommended. When I hired the firm, I had a set of plans and every time I pointed issues out that needed fixing, I was told it was from the previous design. 3 months into it, detailed were still all wrong as her Sr. Designer wasn’t that great. I pointed this out and she asked for a second chance, agreeing she would own it and would monitor it herself. She didn’t. 4 months later after paying for many more hours, I fired her even-though I needed her the most. Everything was wrong, including my tile layouts, my colors, my vision for the house. So, yes, they all make mistakes, some more some less. You will be the PM on everything. No, you are not picky, just not afraid to ask questions and you are not letting them get away with it. best of luck.
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I would suggest you put on a new roof as soon as possible. You need to stop water coming in first. Once you do that you'll have the luxury of time to consider your next steps because you won't have any additional damage.
With any project, if there are problems at the beginning when it is easy, it will only get worse. Get out and get a new team now. Better to invest a few months to get it right than spend a year, not be satisfied, and have to get a new team anyway. For example, we had solar put on our very old house. We got estimates from different firms and chose one. Every step was like walking in the mud with them. The project was to take a month at most. It took them 2 years. Had we dropped them after the first missed email or call or excuse, we would not have had the nightmare it became. Trust me. Trust your instincts, and get a new team. Red flags are warnings that we should never ignore. I learned this lesson the hard way.
If I were in your predicament, I’d definitely disengage from this agency. You have given them enough time to get stuff started well and they seem incompetent and uninterested.
Even if that sets you back months, if you find people who share your values and step up, it will also spare you a lot of tension and damages to yourself and this beautiful ancient house! Best of luck to you and don’t give your patience to people who prove that they are not worth it.
I have an old house in France. My advice is to look in 2 places for help:
1. Find the best local mason or carpenter and use his architect.
2. Talk to old, experienced realtor and get their recommendations.
Finally, you won't want to hear this, but expect to wait a year for the services of the best tradespeople.
Good luck!
Option 2. We are in Uk so different but we had to have drawings done for the planning laws etc… but then we found a good builder we saw his work somewhere else, he is a great guy and has great tradesmen that work for him. When any problems arise with the building renovations he talked through solutions with us.. as there are always things that come up that aren’t on the plans etc…
Hi Justine, I am an architect specializing in historical buildings, conservation and restoration. Your story is quite common in my professional field. This is largely because the current design architects by training have limited knowledge of historical buildings. You probably need to find a local restoration company/ studio. On the other hand, please do check if your house (or the house site) is protected architectural heritage anyway. If this is the case, dealing with heritage regulations and requirements for historical buildings also requires restoration architects of speciality (not design architects), especially in France, I think. Good luck.
I’m gonna be biased because I’m a former architect and I had a terrible time working in the field. In several of the offices where I worked project that seemed “small” were often passed down to interns or people new to the company with very little to no experience. This would result in no responsibility being taken and things getting “passed around” with no real results. Unfortunately when I had very little to no experience I was part of a team for a renovation project and 2 years later the company got sued for not doing things right. Because no one took responsibility. I no longer work in that company or in the field of architecture. But this story you shared is unfortunately more common than you think!
Bonjour Justine. Nous sommes en train de rénover une ferme dans le Périgord, sans architecte ouf. Je voulais juste vous dire que ici les délais avec les artisans sont très longs, et qu'il faut être tout le temps sur leur dos pour avoir des réponses. Donc si votre architecte vous répond 1 mois plus tard pour des prix, c'est que les artisans qui répondent sont lents ! Ils sont débordés, il y a un terrible manque d'artisans en France, donc il faut être très très patient. En plus en Provence, je pense qu'ils sont encore plus "cool" qu'ici. Un truc à essayer : des artisans étrangers basés près de chez vous (genre anglais ou hollandais ou portugais). Ils travaillent souvent plus rapidement et ont des délais plus courts. On a testé ici avec un artisan anglais (ils ont moins de demande, forcément). Bon courage, mais bravo pour votre maison, beaucoup de cachet !!
Makes me so happy that not only are you keeping as many beautiful original features as possible, but that you are also collecting and restoring (and possibly rescuing) old furniture. Thank you!
Hi Justine, I'm a contractor in the US. With renovations, it is so important to find someone who shares your vision and has many options for you to choose what you like. It's worth the time because when there are issues at the beginning it is uncommon for it to get better. You articulated what you want. You are not unreasonable. I hope this is helpful.
Your experiences make me laugh. I have no experience in France, but I am building a home in Asia. The contractor and I mostly use a translating app to communicate. As an artist, my design for this home is far from traditional. So when it comes to asking for suggestions, the response is nil. Justine, we will both live through the process and learn a great deal!😹
Justine: I've renovated and built residential structures for the past 25 years. Your instincts are correct.If you see warning signs of trouble, take action. If you're not working with the company/people that you can trust (to whatever extent), make a change, keep looking. If you regret the time delay, please consider that you'll regret a crappy renovation far far longer (every single day, for potentially decades). It's never an easy process, unfortunately. Stick to your guns, as they say, and lead your process as much as possible, no matter who you end up working with. Best of luck!!
As someone who is at their second renovation of the house in Belgium, I wish you a lot of luck with findig good people, architects, stability ingenieurs, constructors, plumbers, material shops etc..... ! We started 2 years ago with a lot of setbacks. In the meantime the price of construction materials has almost doubled... 😤 Now I understand whi most people prefer to buy sth already renovated or build from scratch.... Too bad we love old stuff 😅
Option 2. As an architect myself (UK and Australian experience) it sounds like the agency you went with weren't the right fit. I think you will have better luck with a small firm that specialises in this type of project or a freelancer.
General comments here, as I'm not an architect and have never used one: I work in the professional services industry, and it seems that everyone is overworked. I have clients on my list for whom I've been meaning to complete work for weeks now - some even months! - and I simply cannot get to them because of the amount of work and urgent stuff that comes up. That might be the case with your agency. It's not acceptable, but it might shed some light on why their communication is so poor and why they're taking so long to get back to you. Keep in mind also that crafts and tradespeople are being overworked and in demand everywhere (here in Australia, it's taken my parents over six months to find someone who can fix their fence! So, it might also be that the architect couldn't get the quotes they needed because they weren't getting responses from their tradespeople.
Having said that, if you feel that it's not just a communication issue, and that your architect agency doesn't have experience in renovating a historical home - definitely look for someone else. A freelance architect sounds like a great idea, as long as they have the resources and manpower to follow through with their promises.
Maybe what would help is to find a new architect or agency, but one that is specialised in restorations and historical character instead of just architecture. Example: is there a cute historical church around that is super well preserved? Ask the people there who takes care of it when they need maintanance. Same if there are old theaters, or public spaces that have good character conservation in the region. These people will also be more in the know for materials and workers that have the required craftsmenship experience of working with historical character restoration. They'd be excited to work with the challenge of making this a liveable space that respects the history and architectural importance it has (like the doors and windows and that gorgeous ceiling).
I don't know anything about renovating in France, but I have renovated stuff, and you definitely need someone who know about renovating old stuff, not building new. So I say cut your losses, and find someone new. I've used a master builder who is answerable to me, and knows people who can fix old as well as build new. And having good chemistry, communication and not to forget TRUST is important, and you seem to be lacking all of them.
Good luck!
Justine, I’m sorry this is proving to be a difficult project! I am so looking forward to seeing how you transform this property as I absolutely love Provence style. I’m glad you are keeping all the beautiful original features - I am in the process of building a new house and am searching reclamation websites for old fireplaces / doors / architectural features. My project managers don’t understand why I want my new house to look 150 years old! I think architects can be a bit obsessed with shiny bling. Good luck moving the project forwards, I know you will do a fantastic job.
Hi Justine! Just based on the fact that they wanted to replace and cover your beautiful french doors and original tiles is a red flag for sure. I think the best way to go is definitely to find a freelance architect with renovation experience - preferably who has had experience renovating a house similar to yours. I would honestly start by looking at renovated houses in the area and asking if their owners have any recommendations for who to work with. Project managing the whole thing yourself might seem like it would go faster in the beginning but believe me, the expensive mistakes you'll make later on will slow you back down. I'm saying this as someone who self-renovated a 100 year old house and learned a lot in the process, but recognize how a good architect/project manager would have made the process a lot faster.
Justine, I am an architect from Bangladesh with 4-5yrs of work experience in various fields of architecture. I wanted to pursue higher studies in a reputed institution in Europe and wanted to work somewhere in Europe. After finishing an Advanced masters course in Urbanism, Landscape and Planning from one of the best urbanism schools in Belgium i am still unable to find a job in the architecture, urbanism or construction field. That is because I dont speak Dutch fluently and most of them are not willing to sponsor my stay. When an Asian person sacrifices their family and everything to do everything for their career, be sincere and stay committed, pay tuition fees, house rent and contribute to the economy for years,just to never get an opportunity to show that we can do stuff!! You just explained how "committed and trustworthy" your architects and planners were in regard to the renovation of your house. It feels sick to me how the matrix favors Europeans and doesnt even want to give us non-Eu people a chance. Education and service is just a commodity in today's world.
This video and the comments have been such an education. Justine you are providing such good content despite the tough time that you are having. And you have created such a great community. Best of luck for the renovation.
Bonjour Justine. I am a designer and have always worked in architectural firms. ( I am a Chicagoan). You are absolutely correct in your assessment and expectations. The client is king and in my experiences we go to great lengths to listen, then research, then implement everything the client wants. Also bring an educated and extremely well informed advisor is a huge part of the architect/designer’s role.
Best of luck going forward.
P.S. My maternal grandmother was born and raised in France! Love all things French!
As a pipe engineer (aka building services engineer), architects usually don't know much about structurals and pipes.. They make the space pretty and then pipes come and ruin it, because someone didn't think. Look for civil engineer or as people suggested structural engineer.
I love your positive and proactive approach to problem solving. Bringing in furniture with termite would really worry me, you have enough with the termite that is already in the house, you don't want to find yourself having to treat everything every year! If it get to the beams it will affect the structural integrity... I would not trust that the treatment materials will just eradicate them for ever, I remember my dad having to constantly check beams and "monitor" new termite holes for years in our house, no matter what treatment he used.
These aren’t termites, just little worms, don’t worry. There are no termites in my area, and a house must always be termite-proofed before it may be sold, if the area is risky.
Oh I am glad!! I was stressed for you 😅
Bon courage pour la rénovation! c'est vraiment un challenge. Et les galères avec les artisans n'ont pas encore commencées! Ici, en bourgogne, même avec un plombier très recommandé, il a fallu être derrière pour les finitions et le chantier a pris du retard. Il me semble que ta meilleure option serait un archi en solo qui a un bon éventail d'artisans avec qui il travaille. Le bouche à oreille est en général le plus efficace pour trouver.
Renovations and finding good people is just as hard in France as it is here! Such an undertaking!
Hello Justine, I just watched your video. I am an architect myself living and working in Köln, Germany. I am so sorry you had to go through all this trouble. You are right with all your concerns and you didn't set the bar too high, your standards are more than normal. The company has to be changed. Unfortunately it's not easy to find a good reliable company nowadays. I also noticed here in Germany how many architecture companies are working like you described. And it's not necessarily that they are bad or they don't know. It's just that they are used like that. There are some of us that learned to adapt and think a bit more progressive, use modern technology etc but so many others are not there yet. I noticed also how bad the communication is between planers and clients in so many cases. There are always exceptions ofc and you only need to have patience and energy to find them. For example, the way I would do your project would be first to scan the house in 3d, model everything and have an "existing situation". Mark and write all the pipes etc. and after that to start deciding and planing what to demolish and what to keep, build new etc. I would model all in 3d and show you realistic renderings with materials and colors etc. at least that's how I do for my clients. I don't want to bore you further with technical details and I am deffinetly not advertising myself or smth, I am just trying to "show" that there are better ways, more sustainable and efficient ways of doing this job. I find it also sad and frustrating when some of us, you as well, are investing so much effort, time and money to do our job well while others don't care and make us waste our time. I am curious how you proceeded further in the end and at what stage are you now with your renovation? Hugs from Köln 🤗
I returned to Belgium...bought a house from 1834...renovation could have been a struggle with the architect...brave or not, I told the woman that her ideas were not in line with the house and me...found a contractor who worked with very experienced crafts people...
And indeed I had a vision for a room and relied on them to tell me why it would work or not and what they could do or not do.
Have courage Justine, you have tackled big obstacles and are very capable to direct a crew...bon courage because renovations are
always a challenge.
Absolutely LOVE the wood ceiling and doors! The french door is gorgeous! Good luck!
Justine, your house is beautiful. I renovated the house I am in…New Jersey, USA…I had a contractor and an architect…the architect that the contractor used was a man from China who was also an engineer. We walked through my house together and it was good to hear all the different ideas…etc. The main part of my renovation was completed in 2019…but there are still things I am doing as time goes bye…things will work out…it is always a stressful process…hang in there…it will all be worth it!
What a gorgeous house. So much history and character. The lives that have come and gone, who lived there. Pretty facinating.
I wish you were in Australia!
We have "heritage architects", specialising in refurbishing old buildings.
Here a client deals with the architects directly. The architect guarantees, that the plan is working, complies with regulations and structurally sound.
We would like to see the plans of the whole building, ( it is important to know which walls are structural, which ones are holding up the roof, and challange your viewers.
Very important to wright down your BRIEF !
What your needs are how much is your budget, and ask for a schematic design first.
Sometimes it is best to let the architect tell you, what is possible in the given building, and how to achieve it.
Only when you are happy with it, move onto the next phase and ask for the working drawings and specification.
You can present hese to the council and get an approval, and go out to tender, to find a builder, who can build it for you.
Agree on the budget , so you are not going to pay for extras, and if possible, do not make changes after you made a contract, because usually they add to the cost.
The working drawings will tell you what electrical and plumbing work will need, and you can get a few quotes on them before you start.
But you can sell it and move to Spain, if you find it too challenging.
Good luck! I think it's so wonderful that you're looking after the history of the house. Hopefully a few years headache with the renovations will be appreciated for generations to come. ❤
I hear you Justin. it sounds similar like renovation of our grandparent’s house. For option 3 is I think you need structural civil engineer to collaborate with the architects
I haven’t read all the other comments, so forgive me if I’m repeating something others have said. I would recommend finding that unicorn / option B and the only way I know is to approach many people in your area who have renovated their homes and ask them for contacts where they’ve had great experiences and then to meet those people and see if it’s a fit. In the process you’ll also learn from their mistakes (if they’re open) and people you should not hire. The critical person is the contractor, I think, not so much the architect. Whilst the architect should give you the best plans, there will still be unexpected issues that crop up and a good contractor will need to be able to draw on experience and problem solve those issues. We’re not in France, but that’s been the only way that has helped us hire good people. Even then, continue asking questions and check up very regularly (daily if possible), to keep everyone on the same page. Good luck!
A: I love that you want to keep a lot of the old character of the home, Sorry for your home issues and your architect issuers. Looks like you have a good vision. You need to hire someone who gets your vision.
Dear Justine . Speaking from personal experience after getting one bathroom and kitchen completely renovated in south of France, it's very very difficult to find the unicorn. We got one very luckily. But the second time, not so much. Go with word of mouth. Talk to close friends and family who have had work done at their homes. If possible make a house visit. Drop the agency and go for contactors if possible.
Hi Justine ! It's best to look for an architect who has strong construction knowledge - yes, there are such on the market. Just like in every industry there are different architects. Apparently this project is a little over your agency. If you can't find an architect with an engineering background, then look for a construction engineer who will manage the entire process of major repairs to the building's structure. I have a feeling that when it comes to interior design, you'll be fine.
I don’t have any personal experience with architects and renovations but my late cousin was a Draftsman and often said architects don’t like being questioned it’s kinda of an artistic temperament kinda thing so the draftsman ‘fixed’ the architects issues and he talked to clients more than the architect! Obviously not all are like that but they do have a general reputation of being like that!
Had similar issues with architects in another country than France. Ended up firing the architect, learned the software's to draft the designs we wanted. Hired a structural engineer to make everything come together. Hired trades people directly and worked with them and the local government as needed.
The very best of luck with your renovation project! I’m so happy to hear you will keep the beautiful old traits in the house❤ Such a pity when ppl tear down good materials and craftsmanship, often it’s like the soul of the house. Great buys on the flee marked too, feels good to improve furniture yourselves. Remember holes also may be ants that eat wood, but usually in small furniture it’s empty and old, like in your case. The house is going to be beautiful and just as you want it.😊
We had a company who should do the plan and also the renovation itself. After seeing how badly the plans were done and how they ignored my updates, we decided to chose someone else to do it. Roughly 2 months before we needed to start working on it. Luckily found a good company. We didn’t have time for finishing detailed plans but we were discussing all things as we went and it worked. I am so glad we didn’t keep the same company!
Here in the Netherlands we have specialised renovation contractors and they often work with specific architects. You might also want to ask your crafts people if they have any ideas about good contractors with renovation experience. And here if something is old enough it gets a monumental status and there is a bunch rules and regulations, which is a bunch of effort. But then the governmental body also often has resources on who is good to work with.
You likely need an independent architect who works on contract rather than percentage of overall costs. That person will grab your vision without being pressured by their agency to upsell you on new material. When interviewing prospects ask for references and check on them. Best of luck!
Salut Justine, I have renovated our house (from ca. 1750) here in Switzerland 8 years ago and would like to give you the following advice: go find an architect who really understands your needs and aestetical vision, but that has enough technical skills to deal with the craftsmen on the battlefield. It’s like love at first sight, you will feel it when meeting the right one and sometimes one has to kiss some frogs.. If it starts like you are describing - hands off! The problem with old houses is, that although hiring a great architect and experienced craftsmen, during the renovation process a lot of unexpected things will come up anyways and cost you extra money. Therefore it is so important to have a good start with people you feel are committed to the project and who know what they are doing. It will be a challenge, but it is always worth it because what you get is something completely unique. ❤
I have renovated 4 houses in Arkansas with the help of my excellent "handyman." I told him what I wanted. Move walls, rip out bathroom and start over, redo kitchen, add closet, remove closet, change shape of dining room, etc. And he did exactly what I wanted. It was great. Are you overthinking this?
Stick to your vision Justine, you'll find a way! 💙
❤❤❤Oh Justine! I don’t live in France, I live in NYC. But from my own experience when we bought a fixer upper on the beach, we definitely needed an experienced and highly rated contractor. I know exactly what you feel and what you’re going through. It’s a long and expensive process. 😩😩😩 At the end, I know you’ll have a home of your dreams! Love your channel. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😁👌🏻
The first thing that comes to my mind are Back to the chateau crew, especially the husband cause he is engineer and knows stuff..and helps people all over France ☺️
Very true!! Dick & Angel Strawbridge. He tells it like it is but still with his heart on his sleeve 💕
Option 4: Hire an architect and "his" craftworkers ( a small crew) from Poland! ... or from Romania. They'd be happy to do the good and fast work, and I think that there is a little guesthouse in that village where they could stay...