Defence analyst Pierre Sprey on the F-35 (2012) - the fifth estate

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  • Our 2012 interview with Pierre Sprey a defence analyst who spent 20 years working at the Pentagon and helped designed one of the most successful jetfighters ever, the A10 Warthog. He is a confirmed critic of the F-35.
    For more on the F-35 watch our 2012 documentary Runaway Fighter : • F-35 - Runaway Fighter...
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  • @bystandersus7399
    @bystandersus7399 2 ปีที่แล้ว +186

    Crediting Pierre spray with designing anything is just straight up lying

    • @testpleaseignore
      @testpleaseignore ปีที่แล้ว +38

      He designed his own lies

    • @bennittotheburrito9606
      @bennittotheburrito9606 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@testpleaseignore true

    • @uslaserguideddemocracyseed1039
      @uslaserguideddemocracyseed1039 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Typical strategy: When "we" can't address the argument someone is making, "we" attack that someone himself. Pierre Spray was one hundred percent correct in everything he said about the F-35, one hundred percent.

  • @AA21711
    @AA21711 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    Fun fact: In all F-15 documentation,Pierre sprey is mentioned once,where he bursted into a meeting and suggested a replacement for the F-15,called the F-XX. It was more of a list of things to remove from the F-15
    Some of them are:
    1.Missile and bomb racks
    2.Bulletproof glass for the cockpit
    3.Large fuel tanks
    4.a secure radio
    5.Navigation equipment
    And what he wanted to replace it with is a GAU-8 and a radio from a hardware shop.

    • @tomthetinker1024
      @tomthetinker1024 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      and also cup holders

    • @nomore-constipation
      @nomore-constipation ปีที่แล้ว +7

      As said eloquently in Robocop
      "I'd buy that for a dollar" 💵

    • @mirandalockey7334
      @mirandalockey7334 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Man designed the A-10 it was his pride and joy and he also hates it. Obviously i know he didn’t design it

    • @Orangejr36
      @Orangejr36 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @Miranda Lockey He had no influence or imput on the A10 either. The people who designed and built the A10 never even met or heard of him until Sprey started claiming he designed it.

    • @Stoneyisstoned
      @Stoneyisstoned ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mirandalockey7334 he don’t work for the a10 he works for an advisor to an advisor to an advisor and so on till you get to the seceretary of defense who had no involvement in said project 😑

  • @starexcelsior1135
    @starexcelsior1135 4 ปีที่แล้ว +455

    Pierre Sprey DID NOT design the A-10, or F-16 because he never worked at the companies that built them. He was a defense analyst; he made the requirements for the planes to fulfill, not the actually planes

    • @strawberrydragon6252
      @strawberrydragon6252 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@avae5343 Expensive does not equal failure.

    • @cliffordnelson8454
      @cliffordnelson8454 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are showing massive ignorance,. So in the future please stop talking about what you do not understand. The specification is what the design is based up (you are so ignorant). Most people involved in the design only work on a small piece of the design. The people that come up with the requirements are the ones that most influence the design. Screw up the requirements and it costs a fortune to fix. Screw up some aspect of the design and it costs a lot less. You obviously have never done any design.

    • @starexcelsior1135
      @starexcelsior1135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@cliffordnelson8454
      I never said that defense analysts weren't important.
      Pierre Sprey lied to the public by claiming to be the designer of the F-16 and A-10 so more people would listen to him. The absolute MOST he could have contributed to the F-16 and A-10 programs were requirements, and that would be fine if that's what he said he did. But that's not what he claimed. He claimed he was the designer.
      Every time he showed up on TV before the F-35 he was honest and said he was a defense analyst, it was only after he went around trashing the F-35 that he changed his position to that of F-16 and A-10 designer
      He lied about his job to get attention and he was wrong with nearly every one of his predictions.
      P.S. grow up, if the majority of your argument is name calling then it isn't a good argument

    • @starexcelsior1135
      @starexcelsior1135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@avae5343 The USAF DID NOT SAY IT WAS A FAILURE.
      What one general actually said was that there could be interest in an ultra cheap fighter. the news then twisted his words and gave the article a click bait title to fool people like you.

    • @cliffordnelson8454
      @cliffordnelson8454 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@starexcelsior1135 They are not just important, they are critical since you screw up the specification and schedule you end up with a royal mess like the F-35

  • @tempest225
    @tempest225 ปีที่แล้ว +196

    Remember kids, when a half bald old man that told the military to make the F-15 basically a p-51 mustang fighter jet with slightly better guns and more maneuverable with less fuel tells you that the plane he tried to bring to the ground because he thinks dog fights look cool (even though a soviet era missile can shoot down a plane from a much farther range than what a pilot can shoot with his eyes) is bad, remember that the dude is totally right and is the god of fighter jet engineering.

  • @NobilityandLoyalty
    @NobilityandLoyalty 6 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    Amazing Sprey goes on to say what a turd the F-15 was. That's an amazing 105-0 record the f-15 posted in air to air victories

    • @salvealino9942
      @salvealino9942 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Of they will to clean the f-15

    • @elta6241
      @elta6241 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Against the F-16 or a plane like it it is hopelessly out of its depth.

    • @dmitchellhomes
      @dmitchellhomes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@elta6241 HAHA! F-16 would not stand much of a chance against an F15 beyond visual range, and even worse agains F35...

    • @elta6241
      @elta6241 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@dmitchellhomes This is the problem with people who think wars are fought technologically. The vast majority of BVR technology simply doesn't work in combat, especially radar guided missiles, and the plane that wins is the one that can be produced in greater numbers and can be kept in the air. The F-16 wins hands down.

    • @dmitchellhomes
      @dmitchellhomes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@elta6241 WRONG!!! almost every F15 kill was BVR.

  • @gundamator4709
    @gundamator4709 2 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Just for refrence this guy wants us to use m48's insted of m1' (tanks)

    • @RutakoVon
      @RutakoVon ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@Anonymous Bosch The M-48 was a piece of outdated junk all the way back in the 90s lol

  • @saurabhdas3412
    @saurabhdas3412 2 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    Sprey did not design any A-10s, F-15s, F-16s or whatever he claims to build. The closest he was to an airplane was as a statistician. He was never an engineer/designer. The fact he has got away for it for so long is amazing.

    • @jerryg53125
      @jerryg53125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      He is not getting away with it anymore......he's dead.

    • @AyedYoutube
      @AyedYoutube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@jerryg53125 many people still think he’s legit, i would say that’s getting away with it

    • @blu3_enjoy
      @blu3_enjoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He designed all of them

    • @DeusMaquina
      @DeusMaquina 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@blu3_enjoy He did not design anything, he is a pathological liar.

    • @bennittotheburrito9606
      @bennittotheburrito9606 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@blu3_enjoy send me the documents that say so

  • @AdmiralBob
    @AdmiralBob ปีที่แล้ว +97

    "In dogfighting its hopeless" Fun fact: The F-35 is also hopless at Napoleonic linear combat.

    • @pvt.potato1943
      @pvt.potato1943 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      It's hopeless on hand to hand fightimg smh 😤 worst failure in US aircraft history 0/10 because angry old man said so

    • @pandemoniumcrow
      @pandemoniumcrow ปีที่แล้ว +18

      It’s ALSO terrible at launching broadside cannons so therefore it can’t fight against coastal or naval structures… very bad vehicle, can’t do anything right :(

    • @Jvr555
      @Jvr555 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@pandemoniumcrow cant withstand bows and arrows i dont want it

    • @pd28cat
      @pd28cat ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's actually good at dogfighting

    • @apollobravo7654
      @apollobravo7654 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It may not be designed for dogfighting but I'd still feel more comfortable in it than whatever wooden mockups the Russians are trying to scare us with

  • @v8packard
    @v8packard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    Amazing to see this guy spew narrow minded, dogmatic criticisms for 40-50 years at any idea that he didn't have a part in originating.

    • @v8packard
      @v8packard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @Zorro Laplaya I never said anything about the F-22, or F-35, and I didn't say he wasn't right about specifics. I said he has a narrow minded, dogmatic view. Which he does.
      There is a big difference between a design concept and a production combat aircraft. Yes, there are many compromises. Yes, budgets, politics, and agendas all conspire to change the production product. The US Airforce needs planes, they cannot fly ideas and notions into combat. The views of Pierre Sprey have ignored these realities since at least the early 1970s.
      In this very video, he criticized the F-15, said he and Boyd gave up on it, the Air Force put too much extra stuff on it and got it all wrong. Well that has been a pretty successful career for the F-15, considering they gave up on it and it's all wrong. That's just one example, this guy even criticizes his own baby the F-16 for growing too complex and losing performance. The reality is none of these aircraft get into production without these changes, good or bad. And his criticism never once addresses that fact.

    • @infinitelyexplosive4131
      @infinitelyexplosive4131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @Zorro Laplaya "F22 was considered obsolete 10 years ago" That is objectively false. There is no existing aircraft that completely outstrips the F-22 in performance and will not be one for decades.

    • @moriyokiri3229
      @moriyokiri3229 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The F-22 is being removed from service 🤡🤡

    • @v8packard
      @v8packard 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@moriyokiri3229 Yes, in maybe 20-25 years.

  • @michaelrunnels7660
    @michaelrunnels7660 3 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    "most successful jetfighters ever, the A10 Warthog." The A-10 Warthog is not a fighter. It is not a heavy bomber. It is not a helicopter. It is not a troop transport. It is a Close Air Support Attack aircraft. It would be nice if the Fifth Estate had any knowledge at all about what they report about.

    • @sdufg
      @sdufg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i bet you correct spelling and then miss the poinht.

    • @michaelrunnels7660
      @michaelrunnels7660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@sdufg Nope. I never correct spelling. I just point out that people like you are grammatical midgets that need to take remedial classes in English before anyone considers you to be intelligent, thoughtful, and worth the time to read your sentences.

    • @motsigman
      @motsigman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@michaelrunnels7660 Its a tough life for folk like you..

    • @tbrowniscool
      @tbrowniscool 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think this guy knows more than you mate

    • @tomwhitworth1560
      @tomwhitworth1560 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@tbrowniscool He knows literally nothing.
      If he knew something his ideas would be entertained by the air force.
      Also he has never designed a plane in his life. That's a fact.

  • @virgilius7036
    @virgilius7036 5 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    Pierre Sprey has nothing to do with the design of the F16 and A10, since it has never been part of the engineering teams of GD and Fairchild. He was a government official. And he criticized the F15 as much as the F35 today! The plane that has 104 wins versus 0 defeat!

    • @Reality_Based_Fantasy
      @Reality_Based_Fantasy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      104 wins? Let fight a real army like Russia, watch those wins be under 10.

    • @laserbeam3836
      @laserbeam3836 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      104 wins aganist 50 years old fighter jets lol

    • @cosmo4698
      @cosmo4698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@Reality_Based_Fantasy this comment aged exceptionally well.

    • @jubal9158
      @jubal9158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cosmo4698 did ukraine use f15?

    • @oxide8696
      @oxide8696 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@Reality_Based_Fantasy 2 years later and your comment is a laughable joke

  • @TheRealCFF
    @TheRealCFF 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    @1:30 that being said, the F-15 has had a sterling combat record to date, so I can’t say the USAF was incorrect on the design metrics.

    • @TheRealCFF
      @TheRealCFF 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Adrian Shephard during Desert Storm the Iraqi Air Force possessed the fourth most powerful Air Force in the world - and the pilots had been battle hardened during the decade long war with Iran. Not exactly a pushover.

    • @TheRealCFF
      @TheRealCFF 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Adrian Shephard for an East bloc supplies Air Force, that was a pretty good fleet. The Fulcrums were pretty much Warsaw Pact state of the art for the day. The F1s were also the Apple of Sprey’s eye for that period. So yes the Iraqi Air Force was pretty formidable and a capable representation of a Warsaw Pact power

    • @TheRealCFF
      @TheRealCFF 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Adrian Shephard 1) it was a formidable Air Force for the day 2) as I recall Iraq was soundly defeated in that conflict and 3) the f-15 was a 60s era bird designed to counter those fighters.

    • @TheJTcreate
      @TheJTcreate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@Adrian Shephard Iraq was not 20+ years under sanctions when they invaded Kuwait in 1990. Gulf war 2 wasn't even 20 years under sanctions. Sorry but You could have put modern Fulcrums and MIG 25s into that conflict, the outcome would not have changed. You could even put some of the best Russian pilots into those airframes, the outcome would not have changed. Same with Serbia. Russia had some effective A-A ordinances and radar systems, but they were not as reliable as what was put into the F-15 and the Russia air-frames have some of the worst Radar RCS. Real easy to spot, track and target lock. Even though Russia has some great stunt pilots, judging from Rimon 20 in 1970, Georgia 2008 and the current run in Syria, they lack the battle harden skills of their predecessors AND IT SHOWS. Russian experts train every single air-force in the arab world and (Sorry) the lack of combat experience shows. Their air to ground sorties in Afganistan were seriously problematic. So you can talk about how the US coalition mostly fights third world countries, that is still significant combat to gain experience from (the Israelis have even more experience). What significant conflicts has Russia engaged in since WW2? It doesn't even compare. Doing twirling circus stunts at airshows has no bearing on being an effective combat pilot. The F-15 is 105-0 mostly because of the Israelis and what they did with it. They were not flying the most upgraded model of that plane.

    • @danzervos7606
      @danzervos7606 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Adrian Shephard But Pierre Sprey says the Mig 21 is a better fighter than those oversize and complicated fighters like the F-15 and if I am not mistaken the F-15 accounted for several Iraqi jets while the F-16 didn't account for any.

  • @tone1132
    @tone1132 2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    This guy is like the high-school quarterback that never wants to admit he's no longer in the game......

    • @rorysparshott4223
      @rorysparshott4223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Except this guy was never in the game to begin with.

    • @joshm3484
      @joshm3484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Yep. His entire life is one giant fraud. He's never designed, or even been involved with any team, that's ever designed anything. Ever. He did work for like a year as a statistician, but otherwise is just a fraud.

    • @shaider1982
      @shaider1982 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      he did not design the planes he claimed to. was not even in the bench

    • @maryrafuse3851
      @maryrafuse3851 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very well expressed assessment.

  • @Clickbait6000
    @Clickbait6000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    He sounds optimistic..... i think he might be standing outside of his home with rock in his hand waiting for f 35 flyby

    • @iamfritz
      @iamfritz ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao! Good one.

  • @marw9541
    @marw9541 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is an investigative documentary program but no one thought it odd Sprey did not design the A-10?

    • @thorinbane
      @thorinbane ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ad hominen attack. Yeah really sharp debating tactic bud. Now what did he say that was wrong? How come Maj Scott Ritter in 2021 talked about how garbage the F35 was. Oh right I guess he didn't design the A-10 neither so must be wrong.

  • @mymemesarestale9152
    @mymemesarestale9152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    A real master of spewing meaningless words, anyone defending him should look at his past criticisms of the f15 and the abrams.

    • @InterMovies
      @InterMovies ปีที่แล้ว

      It hurts ehhh? Hahaha hes speaking facts! The F-35 crashes more than 14 times!!! 14 times!!! A super duper airplane that even didnt fight crashes out of nowhere?? How is this succesfull? 150M airplane.. it cant even fly in the rain? Boyyyy taxpayer money goess BOOOM!

    • @bluestorm9977
      @bluestorm9977 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠​⁠@@InterMovies 1,000 F-35s made. Sprey's comments aged like milk 🤣🤣🤣
      To add insult to injury, the price of an F-35A went down from $109 million to $78 million. Oof.

    • @InterMovies
      @InterMovies 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bluestorm9977 Bullshit, it became more expensive because of constant repairs and faulty designs.
      Maybe it became cheaper because you guys invading a other country and stealing their resources.

  • @drbendover7467
    @drbendover7467 4 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    that Pierre Sprey must have been the best misinformation spy that's ever been sent to Russia:)

    • @abdullahiabdulkadirmohamed7511
      @abdullahiabdulkadirmohamed7511 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is dump thing i ever heard do you woke up after f22 F35 been shot down then said what happen

    • @oxide8696
      @oxide8696 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@abdullahiabdulkadirmohamed7511 Speak proper Enlgish you barbarian.

    • @abdullahiabdulkadirmohamed7511
      @abdullahiabdulkadirmohamed7511 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Yku30 f22 is an old stealth aircraft and air force start facing out so don't make like a god who doesn't make wrong things

    • @ShitboxFlyer
      @ShitboxFlyer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@abdullahiabdulkadirmohamed7511They have never been shot down

  • @calcrappie8507
    @calcrappie8507 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    In Europe alone, F-35 has now been selected by 8 countries including the latest Switzerland. Factory has passed 700 fighters built. Flyaway cost for latest production lot slightly less than 78 million USD for the popular F-35A version.

    • @tombrunila2695
      @tombrunila2695 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Finland decided to buy the F-35A on December 10 this year.

    • @wkgurr
      @wkgurr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Still a dud and still superexpensive. These cost numbers are artfully calclated to hide the true costs of having this useless flying coffin in your airforce.

    • @conebear9291
      @conebear9291 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@wkgurr As apposed to what? Dated f-14s?

    • @przemog88
      @przemog88 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@wkgurr It's cheaper than other 5-th gen airplanes.

    • @marw9541
      @marw9541 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wkgurr How is it a dud? What information do you have that no one else does?

  • @subhunterbruh1401
    @subhunterbruh1401 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Turned out to be a be a badass plane

    • @EPICSOUNDTRAX
      @EPICSOUNDTRAX 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      When and where .still falling from the sky as a rock.

    • @Cerberus_the_Legend
      @Cerberus_the_Legend 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@EPICSOUNDTRAXwhat military jet has made it through its developmental years without mishaps?

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Cerberus_the_Legend Come on a quarter of a century passed while it had been in development...

  • @wilsonedwards8189
    @wilsonedwards8189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Sprey cannot be sure of the specifications of the plane since most of its parameters are classified. One clue is when he estimates how long it can stay airborne, "..an hour, maybe an hour and a half". Only a few people know whether it is a good investment.

    • @sarahlee9979
      @sarahlee9979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You can estimate by looking at the engine size, body frame and then estimate fuel tank size. It's pure physics. Remember, they are not reinventing the 'engine'.

    • @alainprimates1017
      @alainprimates1017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Forget it about Sprey and classified myass, bro : game is over, even the USAF top officer admits it's a failure :
      "US admits F-35 failed to replace F-16 as planned, needs new fighter jet
      The United States Air Force announced the need for a new multi-use fighter jet to replace its aging F-16 fleet, while stressing that it would not feature the same high-price tag and technological prowess of the F-35.
      The announcement, made by Air Force Chief of Staff General Charles Brown came as a surprise to defence analysts, given that the F-35 was pegged as the modern fifth generation aircraft that would replace the F-16.
      Instead, Air Force Chief Brown suggested they would develop a “fifth-generation-minus” fighter jet."
      Maybe you would argue General Brown cannot be sure of the specifications of the plane since most of its parameters are classified...

    • @wilsonedwards8189
      @wilsonedwards8189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@alainprimates1017 Brown's only problem with the F-35 is price.

    • @tomwhitworth1560
      @tomwhitworth1560 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alainprimates1017 Do you know the difference between failure and potential Success?
      Did you know the f35 got a 76/1 kill ratio against f16s?
      Why misrepresent the facts and rely on ....trt..... for military analysis

    • @tomwhitworth1560
      @tomwhitworth1560 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@avae5343 Dude, they ended up making a better, high end jet. One which can get a kill ratio of over 70x.
      Its a success by every metric as military ordinance almost never fulfills the exact role it was originally intended for.

  • @jackmunday7602
    @jackmunday7602 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Listening to Pierre Sprey’s injudiciousness. I feel like I’m receiving a lecture on colour from a blind man.

  • @Bluelightning23
    @Bluelightning23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I have to call bullship on his last comment. This F117 was shot down not because they figured out how to shoot down a stealthy airplane it was shot down because they got lucky when the bomb Bay doors got stuck open.

    • @Hamzaberkk
      @Hamzaberkk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/nGaqByxE3Mc/w-d-xo.html there is no issue about the bomb bay doors pılot told everything he succesfully hit his target and when on the way back he got shotdown with s125

    • @littlefatso
      @littlefatso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      not a bomb bay issue but he grossly underestimates the work that had to be done to take the aircraft out. It was more a success of military intelligence and planning rather than the success of one era of tech over another.

    • @Bluelightning23
      @Bluelightning23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@littlefatso ok, but they wre able to lock on because the bomb bay doors were stuck open. But for that 1 factor would they have been able to lock on and shoot it down? Probably not.

    • @De_cool_dude
      @De_cool_dude ปีที่แล้ว

      it wasnt the pilots or the planes fault, it was when 1) weather restricted EW aircraft (no EW cover), 2) NATO mission planners kept using the same air corridor

  • @chriauc2976
    @chriauc2976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This Guy is definition of a traitor. Look him up a real scammer

    • @paulzhang1310
      @paulzhang1310 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah just like julian assange traitor for telling the truth that's the american policy now

    • @bennittotheburrito9606
      @bennittotheburrito9606 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paulzhang1310 what truth has spray ever said

  • @S1551
    @S1551 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I knew Sprey was stupid, but that stupid? Wow...

  • @michaelkaba7481
    @michaelkaba7481 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Stealth is not invisibility. It is low observability.

    • @RvGJK
      @RvGJK 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And you use a computer to monitor the difference in speeds between a fly and a jet, then you just track that said low Observed aircraft and use guided missiles to shoot it down.

    • @ignatiusxmiku
      @ignatiusxmiku 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Indeed and the low frequency long wavelength radars he was talking about doesn't have the resolution to provide targeting solutions.

    • @TheJTcreate
      @TheJTcreate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@RvGJK And what radiation method are you going to use to track a missile to the stealth target. Just because you found the plane doesn't mean you can hit it! Missiles don't like unstable target locks. As Nippon Senken Yamato, lower (not low) frequency radars lack targeting resolution and the size of the antenna array needed to effectively receive it is half the size of the missile itself. You're dealing with a radio wave about 2 Meters in size.

    • @elta6241
      @elta6241 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nippon Senkan Yamato That’s why the Russians and Chinese have low and high frequency combined radars. The chances of them not being able to detect this aircraft given it is twenty five years old is zero.

    • @ignatiusxmiku
      @ignatiusxmiku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@elta6241 doesn't matter if the high frequency radar that is supposed to guide weapons still can acquire a lock, which it can't until the F-35 or F-22 is close enough

  • @KaneGregory
    @KaneGregory 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I heard him and a pilot go at it and the pilot said you don’t have to dog fight with the F35 he said it would kill any plane before they knew he was there???🤯🔫🛩

    • @motsigman
      @motsigman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Research Russian air defence systems..lol

    • @flopartist3613
      @flopartist3613 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@motsigman What like the S-400?? lol they can be beaten. especially with the F-35

    • @rorysparshott4223
      @rorysparshott4223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@motsigman this is from the future. Lol

    • @alack3879
      @alack3879 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@motsigman laughs in Ukraine

    • @conebear9291
      @conebear9291 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@motsigman esshh about that...

  • @michaelwong4303
    @michaelwong4303 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    6:39....Longer wavelength= less resolution= less accuracy.
    10:18..The downing of the F117 was in great part down to luck., because only 1 was shot down. if 2 or more were shot down, then it would be a different story.

    • @michaelwong4303
      @michaelwong4303 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Marc Michaud exactly!!

    • @Nick-wh4jt
      @Nick-wh4jt ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelwong4303 You only heard about the one that crashed in Serbia not the others that crashed in Croatia...
      Good day

    • @michaelwong4303
      @michaelwong4303 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nick-wh4jt thanks. Please tell me about the other one in Croatia. I like to know more.

  • @m1k3droid
    @m1k3droid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    As an air force veteran with encyclopedic knowledge of all tactical aircraft, I am only impressed by how this guy tops his own ignorance and stupidity in every minute of the video.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      He managed to get everything wrong. That is impressive, while the presstitute lapped it up like a kitten.

    • @chrisklitou7573
      @chrisklitou7573 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      F35 is overrated POS he's not wrong there

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@chrisklitou7573 Literally every specific claim he made is demonstrably false.

    • @chrisklitou7573
      @chrisklitou7573 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@LRRPFco52 F35 has bad agility, less weapons capacity, slow speed
      That's all true

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@chrisklitou7573 All erroneous. F-35 has more agility when compared with a combat-configured Viper, and comparable maneuverability when the Viper is slick, with far superior low speed handling, as well as better high-speed handling, with far more yaw, AOA, and resultant nose-pointing authority than the Viper.
      This is according to scores of former Viper pilots who have converted to the F-35A.
      Even restricted to internal stores, the F-35 carries more fuel than the Viper can carry internally and externally, with the same A2G weapons load common to a Viper, with far superior probability of kill with its A2A weapons that they Viper will ever have. The Viper's real world A2A kill record is 78:2, and doesn't stand a chance against F-35s in all the training they have done together.
      Because of the F-35's 18,500lb internal fuel capacity and lower drag, it has a much greater combat radius than the Viper as well.
      Former Viper pilots who now fly F-35 say they cruise at 50-90kts faster than the Viper, and can reach or maintain supersonic speeds in the F-35 that you can't in the Viper when combat-configured.
      With a standard Viper combat load, you can do small supersonic dashes into the Mach 1.2-1.5 region, then have to decelerate before you burn your fuel state down rapidly, whereas in the F-35, it loves to cruise at .9 Mach and can spend a lot of time in the 1.2-1.6 Mach region without much of a sweat, since it has less drag and an engine that has the same power in mil as the Vipers with GE IPE engines in full burner (28000lb). When the F-35 wants to accelerate, regain energy, or push through Mach into supersonic region, it has 43,000lb of thrust in max AB.

  • @femmytwinkmachinst8941
    @femmytwinkmachinst8941 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I've never understood why Pierre Sprey hates the harrier so much. The OG sea harrier is pretty much his ideal "red bird" concept of a lightweight tight turning (1 circle as it gets) fighter with limited range and IR only missiles entirely focused on air to air. Admittedly the Harrier kind of turned against him since the FA2 Sea Harrier was multi-role and had AMRAAMS
    The mention of a Mirage beating a harrier is funny since the mirage III and 5 are the only fighters the harrier has dogfighted with and it beat them 9-0. Admittedly the Mirage 2000 is much better than the FA2 in a dogfight but it's a moot point since the harrier's AMRAAMS would turn the mirage into burning wreckage before it got even close to using its Super 530s

    • @gtdcoder
      @gtdcoder 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Probably because the Harrier is VTOL. He hates complexity.

    • @beProsto
      @beProsto 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's most likely cuz it's British so he couldn't claim he designed it lol

  • @johnlaudenslager706
    @johnlaudenslager706 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So, why have countries with a lot at stake (Finland, Norway, Denmark, Israel, Germany, ...) bought the F-35?

    • @curious5887
      @curious5887 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You have to understand that despite many articles calling this country choosing F-35 as more of a political decision, these articles failed to understand that modern warfare is no longer WW2 dogfight style warfare, F-35 was design for war where drone, laser, and beyond visual range hypersonic missile are a thing, and F35 was design for beyond visual range combat, so speed is no longer matter in modern warfare

    • @user-mx1fq6qm6i
      @user-mx1fq6qm6i ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's Pierre Sprey. He believed the F-15 should've been a radarless gun plane. Of course, everyone with even a little bit of knowledge on military aircraft ignored him and the F-15 went on to become the most successful fighter of all time with 104 air to air kills and no losses. He also claimed he designed the A-10 and F-15 despite not being the designer of the A-10 and F-15. And he also said using the US should use the M60 tank instead of the M1 abrams. Don't take anything he ever said seriously when it comes to anything military related.

  • @danielmolinar8669
    @danielmolinar8669 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    “I know I make the same wrong critiques about every successful military jet in the last 60 years, but listen to my same old critique and hate on this successful military jet.”

  • @jrdeckard3317
    @jrdeckard3317 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The helmet of an F-35 pilot costs $400,000.

    • @ricardomurillo5205
      @ricardomurillo5205 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      In the meantime we have teachers with underfunded programs to get their students ahead.

    • @davidrice4165
      @davidrice4165 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The helmet, as in the thing on the pilot's head, does not cost $400,000. The HMDS system costs $400K.

    • @motsigman
      @motsigman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidrice4165 Not really though hey.

    • @trolleriffic
      @trolleriffic ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ricardomurillo5205A healthcare system that costs trillions of dollars more than it should do for what it provides is far more responsible for strained budgets in education and elsewhere than the cost of a fancy head mounted display system in an F-35.

    • @ricardomurillo5205
      @ricardomurillo5205 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@trolleriffic health care can be inefficient yet unconditional for the welfare of society. Fancy government toys are just show, propaganda and an extravagant meaningless expense for our welfare

  • @SoumalyaBarai
    @SoumalyaBarai 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    please upload the full interview. in the documentary, there was a lot less pierre spray, and in this video too there was some cutscene.. can you please upload this interview exclusively? wanna see his opinion without any cutscenes

    • @SpenserRoger
      @SpenserRoger 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Soumalya Barai good luck that doesn't push their political agenda

    • @SoumalyaBarai
      @SoumalyaBarai 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      SpenserRoger
      they anti f35?

    • @Unterwelten
      @Unterwelten 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SpenserRoger th-cam.com/video/RwA4RaaJSeI/w-d-xo.html

    • @SpenserRoger
      @SpenserRoger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@SoumalyaBarai nah the CBC tends to support one government party over the other.

    • @SpenserRoger
      @SpenserRoger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Unterwelten ya, cool. He's actually pretty wrong about the purpose of stealth and the f35
      Basically, yes ground radar and missiles guided by ground radar can track the plane and shoot at the plane, however the frequencies used by radar homing missiles say those fired by another plane have a much more difficult time tracking the plane do to its stealth. Basically the radar that can track it wont fit on missiles or planes very well. Also stealth is still great at decreasing the distance ground radar can see it.
      There's a good video or two debunking many of these "turkey" claims about the J
      jet. If you search for it you should find it but if not I can link u to it.

  • @vensb8862
    @vensb8862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Pierre is from the old school and refuses to admit that new ideas and innovations are a big part of military strategy.

    • @stevedixon4179
      @stevedixon4179 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except he's right. The F-35 is trash.
      www.extremetech.com/extreme/320295-the-us-air-force-quietly-admits-the-f-35-is-a-failure

    • @TT-cf8dz
      @TT-cf8dz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@stevedixon4179 no its not. read again

    • @bennittotheburrito9606
      @bennittotheburrito9606 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stevedixon4179According to?

  • @joellamoureux7914
    @joellamoureux7914 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    According to google as of 2023 an f35 costs UP TO 109 million each. If you use a long enough wavelength radar you can detect a flea at a million miles away bit you will also detect every other piece of matter as well

  • @hrvojemikulcic7074
    @hrvojemikulcic7074 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Na koji su nacin avion 5 generacije 2-3 skuplji od aviona iz Rusije ili Kine u startu?A zna se da je avion najjeftiniji u cijeloj prici?

    • @mirkodasic7960
      @mirkodasic7960 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unit cost je nesto 90 mil za A verziju, 110 za B/C verziju. Doduse samo klot avion

    • @guarana6245
      @guarana6245 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cijene f35 će da opadnu tek onda kad krene masovna proizvodnja i prodaja, a najavili su da će poslije 3000 aviona napravljenih cijena spasti na 45 miliona(kad je projekat tek počeo) a sad se zna da sve i da naprave 3000 aviona, cijena jednog će biti 70,80 miliona. Da Sukhoi-a 30 recimo naštancaju 3000 komada, jedan bi koštao 24 miliona. Ne gledaš samo pojedinačni unit cost, nego koliko je ukupno novca uloženo u projekat.

    • @guarana6245
      @guarana6245 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A i tačno vidiš da je F35 - A jedini koji je jeftin, pošto je najveći broj f35ica upravo iz te branše, a F35C i B, specijalizovani za marince i US mornaricu, daleko manje traženi medju diplomatskim partnerima, su itekako skuplji od a modela. Po ovome što sam čitao avion će da ima bruka softverske sposobnosti, ali je slab letač,što je malo čudno za borca.

  • @brickobunga8629
    @brickobunga8629 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I don’t condone celebrating someone’s death, but this guy has plagued the opinions of average people for far too long. He created an army of people that would advocate the uselessness of the f-35 after a hard day of working at McDonald’s. You can even see some of these specimens in the comments.

  • @gvaanang
    @gvaanang 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    So stealth is a scam...

    • @Karl-Benny
      @Karl-Benny 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      no its not a scam but it might not be worth the money with electronic jamming and new ways to detect stealthy jets

    • @thunderstorm8926
      @thunderstorm8926 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes

    • @dmitchellhomes
      @dmitchellhomes 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Karl-Benny Stealth buys you time over target, thats all.

    • @herohero-fw1vc
      @herohero-fw1vc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stealth is effective against airborne pulse doppler radar in the microwave frequency. But against other low frequency high power radars, it has many issues to be resolved.

    • @dmitchellhomes
      @dmitchellhomes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@herohero-fw1vc Stealth is about breaking the kill chain, and it does not matter which link you break. Stealth jets can be detected, but it is very difficult to find their exact location, track them, and almost impossible to guide a missile to them. This is before you account for the fact that F35 can see the adversary is hunting for them and choose to engage that radar, or avoid it long before the adversary can see the F35. Russians have decided to look for stealth jets using infrared sensors, but again these are short range, and lack accuracy, and also do not do not give an accurate enough track to guide a missile. The whole idea of the sensor and fusion suite in the F35 is about giving the pilot all the situational awareness they need to make the right decision a large majority of the time, some targets should be engaged, some targets avoided. I mean it does not make sense to risk a $100M jet to bomb a portable restroom, so the targets should be chosen accordingly.

  • @ericmarseille2
    @ericmarseille2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh, the oversight!

  • @maximilliancunningham6091
    @maximilliancunningham6091 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Miss you Pierre, God Speed.

  • @bo2web
    @bo2web 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Gen 4++ French Rafale managed to replace 7 planes on french Air Force !

    • @utkarshjangid3374
      @utkarshjangid3374 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which planes mate ??

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @MrTherealpad It can literally do every one of those plane's jobs better than they could as well. Do a side-by-side analysis of each mission set, and the Rafale exceeds the practical performance of each of those.

    • @z7lucky1
      @z7lucky1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @M D ahah...

    • @monfortnicolas5448
      @monfortnicolas5448 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @M D more like the fa 18 super hornet is a reasonnable alternative to the superior rafale as an omnirole platform.

    • @deltacharlieromeo8252
      @deltacharlieromeo8252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @M D really? Hahaha

  • @davidrice4165
    @davidrice4165 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Pierre Sprey is about as knowledgable on modern air warfare as Bill Kaysing was on the Apollo program.

  • @nathanpitek3177
    @nathanpitek3177 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kony 2012 man!

  • @georgemorley1029
    @georgemorley1029 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    A day in the life of Pierre Sprey, circa 2017:
    Pierre Sprey has come downstairs. Pierre Sprey has entered the kitchen. Pierre Sprey has forgotten what it was that he came downstairs for. Pierre Sprey is confused and tired. Pierre Sprey has just wet himself.
    And then he died!

  • @rehmsmeyer
    @rehmsmeyer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    He doesn't really say much in this video. Simply says it's a bad plane over and over and mentions tiny wings. Refers to the planes need to get in close to "see the enemy", indicating that it can't identify enemies from a distance.

  • @sitoudien9816
    @sitoudien9816 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    It's 2019, Canada still has not made a decision on a next generation plane. The air force is really an air show for museum pieces. Now they are scrounging for parts from Australian Hornets.

    • @mvd4436
      @mvd4436 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      almost 2021

    • @jonnnyren6245
      @jonnnyren6245 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why don't they go for the Advanced Super Hornet or the F-15EX rather than the F-35?

    • @sitoudien9816
      @sitoudien9816 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonnnyren6245 Canada never buys the best. But what looks politically good and must have contracts to produce parts for the plane. The f18s were state of the art but that was the cold war era. Investing in the military doesn't win votes.

    • @janko7245
      @janko7245 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonnnyren6245 Thing is f-35 is ideal for Canada.

    • @Hubidubi18
      @Hubidubi18 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janko7245 its not. They have to deal with fast flying planes the get visit form the Tu 160 more often then everybody else and the F35 is to slow. I am suprised the dont for go for the F15 that is perfect to get rid of the Tu 160, fast enuff better longrange rader, better in climbing better weapon loadout for that job. Way more range since external drop tanks. So i dont get why they dont buy the new F15.

  • @scotthulsey8763
    @scotthulsey8763 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the kill ratio of the F 35 in red flag .It's 4-1 is that correct?

    • @peterson7082
      @peterson7082 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Depends on the perameters- at most it was 19:1.

  • @donmustube7505
    @donmustube7505 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Check out Disk Loading’s Wikipedia for a plot of vertical lift aircraft. The Dusk Loading for the direct lift F-35 is considerably worse than the tilt wing V22-Osprey Disk Loading. This means that the F-35 has to land on a prepared surface which is not always possible with a single engine aircraft under combat conditions. Otherwise, when landing on an unprepared surface you risk kicking-up dust, dirt, trash which can cause pilot blindness or flame-out due to ingesting thrash into the engine.

  • @johnnyj540
    @johnnyj540 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Nothing more uncommon then common sense and becoming less and less common everyday

    • @raymondhuang277
      @raymondhuang277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Pierre Sprey is a "reformer" he believes that we should use m48s instead of m1s. another member of the reformers thinks that the m113 should be a plane.
      in short dont listen to pierre sprey, the reformers are the scientologists of war
      so much for that common sense

    • @fasterthandragons7908
      @fasterthandragons7908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@avae5343 USAF has also announced the creation of a stealth areal refueler, so what's your point?

    • @fasterthandragons7908
      @fasterthandragons7908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Zorro Laplaya No, 20 to 1 and kill the death ratio isn't a failure, stop giving in to Russian nationalist propaganda. Especially one's from a Russian propagandness like Pierry.

  • @jeffbailey2007
    @jeffbailey2007 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This did not age well 🤣

    • @honkhonk8009
      @honkhonk8009 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah this dude was always a massive clown.
      th-cam.com/video/gmuVYVREGgE/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Spookston
      Even though he's a warthunder youtube, he gives good sources and explains exactly why the pentagon wars is retarded, and why sprey is retarded

    • @EPICSOUNDTRAX
      @EPICSOUNDTRAX 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It aged pretty well because that plane was remade and resigned a million times and probably cost 1 billion per plane 😂😂😂😂
      Still falling from the sky as a rock .

    • @bluestorm9977
      @bluestorm9977 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@EPICSOUNDTRAX 1,000 F-35s have been made and 14 countries use it so far. So...

    • @LSmoney215
      @LSmoney215 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Age very badly. F35 is very maneuver extremely well

  • @poseidon5003
    @poseidon5003 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You folks at The Fifth Estate really dropped the ball here.

    • @good2goskee
      @good2goskee 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      explain how they dropped the ball?

    • @tug-mug
      @tug-mug ปีที่แล้ว

      @@poseidon5003 The many disparaging and nonsensical comments against Pierre is scary. Reminds one of how easily people are propagandized. Like how many people fell for the recent “pandemic” and the (fake) vaccine.

    • @poseidon5003
      @poseidon5003 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tug-mug You're delusional

  • @baits9301
    @baits9301 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7 years later , spot on .

    • @BorntoYeet
      @BorntoYeet หลายเดือนก่อน

      The opposite of spot on

    • @baits9301
      @baits9301 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BorntoYeet 30% operational only . The rest are out of action .

    • @danielmolinar8669
      @danielmolinar8669 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@baits9301Dawg, you didn’t even get the operational rate right💀. Stop slobbering on Sprey’s balls, he’s already dead (thank goodness).

  • @quan1026
    @quan1026 3 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    This guy was on point 9 years ago.

    • @deltacharlieromeo8252
      @deltacharlieromeo8252 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also happened to read the new man. What a shame to the USA.

    • @jb76489
      @jb76489 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Pierre has never been on point, he was wrong about the f15, the f16 and he’s wrong about the f35

    • @dmitchellhomes
      @dmitchellhomes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@jb76489 Sprey is an idiot... although he was right on some parts of his analysis. F-35 is expensive, it will not replace the A-10. Where he was so wrong though is thinking the F16 is a better jet, look at the kill rate from red flag last month... F-16 the loser. for those morons who think the F35 has "problems" look at the F16 history by comparison, they lost quite few F16's in testing, and the F16 did not become really good until a decade or more of development. F-35 is similar, still getting better, and that will continue into the future, then all the technologies invented for the F35 will work their way into both past and future platforms.

    • @JABelms
      @JABelms 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dmitchellhomes And then you start talking about costs:mission ratio and then your entire comment just collapses in on itself. Not to mention the Navy isn't even too thrilled about the F-35 program and are in need of light aircraft for CAS. Knowing that the USA doesn't even engage with major countries and fight desert guerilla fighters with 70's SAM tech....F-35 is a gimmick

    • @dmitchellhomes
      @dmitchellhomes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JABelms huh? Navy "CAS" missions? WTF are you talking about? The Navy rarely flies close air support missions, and none of the recent past Navy jets F18, F14, or even the A6 were good in that role. CAS is mainly an Army/AF thing, and to a lesser extent Marines. CAS is a role when you are talking about a ground war or intervention, It's hard to beat the A-10 in that role, as that plane was specifically designed and built for that mission, and that is about all it can do, although in the gulf war the A-10 did get an air to air kill of an iraqi helicopter.

  • @killian9314
    @killian9314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This guy is so wrong, this is a cringe watch

    • @keithdonaldson4623
      @keithdonaldson4623 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      if this guy was around in the 30s he would be begging the US to buy more battleships. reformers are so retarded

  • @grabir01
    @grabir01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Eating his words now.

  • @kansascityshuffle8526
    @kansascityshuffle8526 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The fifth estate truly dropped the ball here. This guy was just a parasitic draw on military funding for his entire military research career. To boot he did nothing in the development of the A-10.

  • @paulparker8298
    @paulparker8298 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    This guys predictions are coming to light

    • @eyzhd4264
      @eyzhd4264 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Blob B so are the 870 reported problems of the F35

    • @ivanlagrossemoule
      @ivanlagrossemoule 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@eyzhd4264 I used to have a professor whose job was to find potential risks on F-5 Tigers. Mind you, the aircraft were second hand, were over 40 years old already and weren't the early production models either. Well guess what, he was identifying some design flaws, potential problems, reporting them and some of them even had new parts designed and produced to replace the faulty ones.
      What makes you think that your number holds any shred of relevance at all? What makes you think the F-22, F-15, F-16 and so on don't all have loads of reported problems that simply aren't fixed because they don't hold enough significance to do it?

    • @commonsenselogic
      @commonsenselogic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@eyzhd4264
      You do know that he and your argument is about 5 years late.

    • @eyzhd4264
      @eyzhd4264 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@commonsenselogic oh really? You do know that Japanese f35 pilots still got their headaches because of the airframe this year, you do know f35 can still only handle 4.95G's, and that one got easily spotted by a S300 inside syria, and that actually none of the 870 problems have been solved, dont talk without any evidence to your argument, thanks

    • @commonsenselogic
      @commonsenselogic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@eyzhd4264
      Where's your evidence? You have nothing but anti F 35 talking points.
      Everything Spray said has been debunked. Including being unmanuverable. I've seen video's debunking that. Keep in mind that I've been following the program for 6 plus years.
      If the plane was that bad Israel wouldn't have increased their order.

  • @williamdiep2415
    @williamdiep2415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Turkey really did luck out...

  • @ViceCoin
    @ViceCoin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tucano prop plane is enough for counterinsurgency.

  • @GloopSerious-nt9dv
    @GloopSerious-nt9dv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He is talking about Russian Nebo-M radar that is really something exceptional.

  • @honkhonk8009
    @honkhonk8009 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Calling pierre sprey a "defence analyst" is like calling a hardstuck copper on Rainbow6 siege a Navy SEAL

  • @ForkInTheButt
    @ForkInTheButt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Without him knowing this, he made a big psyops contribution to the program since the russians (RT) picked up on this story, ran it and spun it for their liking. The plane it's not designed to function as a regular 4th gen

  • @ramtrx276
    @ramtrx276 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "It's a terrible airplane"
    "The plane is astonishingly unmaneuverable"
    "In dogfighting it's hopeless"
    "A mig-21 or Mirage would just hopelessly whip the f-35"
    "Stealth is a scam, it simply doesn't work"
    Low frequency radars can see stealth fighters, yes. But the real question is, can you really track and get a missile grade lock on them? No. To believe that a mirage or a mig-21 could even get in close quarters to dogfight the f-35 is laughable. I guess America should just remove the radar, electronics and stealth since it doesn't matter, right? All that matters is to fly with multiple missiles on your wing, be as big as a city block on radar, have no electronics and just be maneuverable with guns as big as a car.

  • @johnrollex680
    @johnrollex680 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well according to all the war games we've done, the countries that have bought the plane, and the investment in technology that our adversaries have been doing stealth is in fact not a scam. He was also wrong about the extent of the cost ballooning. In fact purpose-built air superiority fighters such as the eurofighter and Rafael have basically exactly the same upfront cost as the f-35.
    Some of what he said was useful; it is definitely true that all the inter-service competition hampered the plane. The f-35 also is severely hampered by its low payload (mostly with regard to air to air missiles), and inability is super Cruise. But he was clearly much further in the failure camp than was rational.

    • @alack3879
      @alack3879 ปีที่แล้ว

      The f35 has a bigger payload than the f16 and can carry more individual missiles than the f15

  • @gordonsmith5589
    @gordonsmith5589 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He is correct about the troop support role, but he hasn’t seen its unlocked performance, obviously!

  • @mathewferstl7042
    @mathewferstl7042 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the comment section is almost as dumb as Pierre Sprey himself

  • @castlebravo1467
    @castlebravo1467 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    US gov't has done this before with P-38 Lightening. Ineffective in air to air combat. It was not the solution. But, it was a great political solution.

  • @TheTeKuZa
    @TheTeKuZa 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    He sounds logical

    • @commonsenselogic
      @commonsenselogic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Actually, everything he said in this video has been debunked.

    • @thomass4471
      @thomass4471 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@commonsenselogic High wing loading? Limited weapons load in stealth configuration? No range?

    • @commonsenselogic
      @commonsenselogic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thomass4471
      All of this has long since been debunked.
      th-cam.com/video/-HVY6Fdc2CM/w-d-xo.html
      Fast forward to the 35th minute. That's where the debunking starts.

    • @thomass4471
      @thomass4471 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@commonsenselogic I'm still watching it to see where any of the things i've mentioned have actually changed? Those things I mentioned CANNOT be fixed without compromising it's main selling point. The high wing loading will only get worse if you put external stores on it. The stealth will be compromised if you put external tanks on it to increase it's range. See where I'm going.

    • @commonsenselogic
      @commonsenselogic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thomass4471
      At about 54:00 is where the high wing loading BS starts to get debunked. If you didn't get it, which you have to not want to, the high wing loading argument is based on that old school wing loading formula when only the wings produces lift. Modern engineering designs lift from the body. As said clearly in the video, if you don't account for body lift of an F 16 it will also have a high wing loading. I've heard estimates of from 40% to 60% of all lift of a F 35 comes from its body. So the calculation will be way off if you don't account for it. Which is how the "high wing loading" nonsense came about.
      BTW, all planes have increased drag by mounting objects externally. Not just the F 35. However, it can carry almost 4 times the fuel as an F 16. So you won't really need external fuel tanks. And even if you put external weapons it will still be more stealthy than non stealth planes.

  • @Brslld
    @Brslld ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Remember this is the guy who said the M48 is better than the M1 Abrams.

  • @maryrafuse3851
    @maryrafuse3851 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pierre Sprey got a lot wrong in this interview. At the time much was made of wing length/size. We now know more about the lifting body design within the F-35. The internal weapons bay is also a great feature. Personally while an unpopular opinion I'm happy Canada did not purchase 65 of the first jets. So much needed to be perfected and I'll be happier with Block IV software. I'm also happier with 88 aircraft. The sad thing within all of this is Canada would do well with some Gripen E's as the Gripen E is a fine aircraft and efficient. My preference is 88 F-35 A's Block IV and 45 Gripen E's which would contain some great harsh weather features Canada needs. The ability to build fighters in Halifax during war time is another plus for the Gripen E.

    • @thorinbane
      @thorinbane ปีที่แล้ว

      You have it all wrong and at an ever escalating cost that all vassal states will help foot the bill for the empire. 100 hours maintenance for 1 hour airtime. It will spend more time on the ground than being useful. Easy target for something that can actually fly like the SU-35, which has already defeated the junk stealth on the F35

    • @maryrafuse3851
      @maryrafuse3851 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NoBody-pw3kf I got that from a highly technicel source although examining the underside of the aircraft will tell you it is a lifting body, just look.

    • @maryrafuse3851
      @maryrafuse3851 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should know that LM has promoted the F-35 as a lifting body aircraft design. It is also very clean underneath until a heavy load of weapons is added.

    • @bennittotheburrito9606
      @bennittotheburrito9606 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thorinbane the su-35 wouldn’t even see the f-35 before it was hit 37 miles away by aim-120

    • @chugs1984
      @chugs1984 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In 2023 Canada paid $14b for 88 F-35As, approx $150m for each and not the $200 (which would be$250m in 2016 terms), that Sprey claimed Canada would pay.

  • @baloog8
    @baloog8 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    sounds like the bradley from pentagon wars

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Bradley IFV killed more tanks in Desert Storm than the Abrams, just like the F-111F killed more tanks than the A-10 did, with the F-111F flying only 2400 sorties vs the A-10s almost 10,000 sorties.

    • @littlefatso
      @littlefatso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      th-cam.com/video/gmuVYVREGgE/w-d-xo.html

    • @dmitchellhomes
      @dmitchellhomes 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LRRPFco52 F111 was a beast during the gulf war

  • @UltimateAPBTS
    @UltimateAPBTS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    This guy's on point...😎😎😎

    • @peterson7082
      @peterson7082 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Not really no.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Watch his debate with Lt Col David Berke.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      On point for the short bus.

  • @hughnelmes864
    @hughnelmes864 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Pierre has the last laugh. USAF reportedly buying F15ex and possibly new F16s. Composites must make these birds hotter.

    • @appa609
      @appa609 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the EX is same structural composition as the original. Only tailplanes are composite

    • @cvashel
      @cvashel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      F-15ex is designed to support f-35 and f-22 by carrying a lot of missiles and knocking things out at long range so the stealth fighters don’t waste missiles and don’t give away their position. It’s not meant to replace the f-35.

    • @TheMentalblockrock
      @TheMentalblockrock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@cvashel In that case what's the point of having the F-22 and F-35? (which the Russians can paint quite easily anyway).

    • @jb76489
      @jb76489 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@TheMentalblockrock they can’t seem to do it when the Israelis fly their f35s over Syria lmao

    • @cvashel
      @cvashel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TheMentalblockrock painting is much easier than shooting down. Russian planes have irst which can spot stealth planes (but they still need to look in the right piece of sky) but infrared can’t measure range so they can’t make an effective firing solution from far away.

  • @henrikg1388
    @henrikg1388 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Well, I would say that Rafale and Gripen are very good "multi-role" fighter jets, the latter most like the F-16 but at the beginning of it's life cycle. The Typhoon is more meant to serve the role of the F-22.

    • @TheMentalblockrock
      @TheMentalblockrock 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The UK should bring back the EE Lightning. It was the ONLY aircraft that could intercept Concorde and get in position to shoot down a U2 at 80,000 feet.

    • @henrikg1388
      @henrikg1388 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheMentalblockrock You just taught me something new. I had it confused U2 with the Blackbird and the first super cruising Lightning was something I never read up on. Cheers.

    • @kekdermott3055
      @kekdermott3055 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheMentalblockrock your joking right?

    • @TheMentalblockrock
      @TheMentalblockrock 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kekdermott3055 I'm serious! Stealth is basically now bunk so might as well bring back 1950's super jets.

    • @kekdermott3055
      @kekdermott3055 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheMentalblockrock lighting isn't even that super its really overrated nevermind that its a 1950' point interceptor I doubt it would survive anything from the 1980's much less today. And on top of that stealth works so I don't know were your coming from saying its fake

  • @richardmurphy9006
    @richardmurphy9006 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    dear god the uk italy spain australia have all built aircraft carriers for this and the helmet is 400 grand jesus murphy he is spot on just an omnishambles

    • @TheMegamyGamer
      @TheMegamyGamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      they should have buy some old good rafale ;)

    • @michaelhaney9432
      @michaelhaney9432 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@TheMegamyGamer The lifetime cost of a single f-35 is the same or cheaper than the rafale. It's also better than the rafale in almost every catagory.

    • @TheMegamyGamer
      @TheMegamyGamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@michaelhaney9432 the good that the USA air force call him a faillure and have decided to go back on F-22 lmao

  • @n74jw
    @n74jw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I want to hear what this guy thinks a 'good' fighter is.

    • @JFIN-fk7hu
      @JFIN-fk7hu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The rafale

    • @Democracyphobia
      @Democracyphobia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A good fighter is a fighter designed for a specific department with specific needs . That's his whole point . The moment you make a jet fighter for three different departments with three different needs , you end up with a bad fighter for all of them .

    • @sandipanmajhi2770
      @sandipanmajhi2770 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      f16

    • @strawberrydragon6252
      @strawberrydragon6252 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Democracyphobia Not necessarily.
      Last I heard, the F-15, F-16, and F-18 which anti-F-35/F-22 peoples love so much were performing just fine at multiple roles.

    • @kilianortmann9979
      @kilianortmann9979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Designed completely according to Boyd's energy maneuverability theory, day only, no radar, short range missiles and iron bombs.
      Basically useless.

  • @Ralarconable
    @Ralarconable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pierre Sprey was a turkey

  • @cvashel
    @cvashel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    20 to 1 kill ratio at red flag. What a failure

    • @svenheuseveldt7188
      @svenheuseveldt7188 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @M D Could you explain?

    • @littlefatso
      @littlefatso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@svenheuseveldt7188 Military Exercise that was peer-to-peer (both sides want to/can win). F-35 had a very impressive kill ratio against is Gen 4 Peers.

  • @ivancampos8757
    @ivancampos8757 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Airplanes are made in the ground but tested in battle fields. These airplanes have not seen real combat. As a result, we can't say is a great airplane. Great plane is the F15 Eagle.

    • @kloschuessel773
      @kloschuessel773 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Blob B su would loose and look silly, since it was designed to kill it

    • @89turbomk3
      @89turbomk3 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      U dont think the creators of thr f35 and f22 have tested their 5th generations jets against their own proven 4th generation planes. It might not be real combat but that doesnt mean they cant Replicated

  • @gibbsm
    @gibbsm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Well gosh darn it, he was right.

    • @bobtank6318
      @bobtank6318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      No he wasn't. Honestly, Sprey is a moron. He has no idea what he is talking about. He's a member of a group calling themselves "the reformers" are entrenched in the idea that modern war is just WW2 but with better equipment, so the US, instead of throwing men with high-tech equipment at problems, should throw men with low-tech at problems.
      Sprey literary said the f22 was bad until its specs got declassified, showing it was great. He then did a massive u-turn, calling the f22 genius and taking partial credit for its creation.

    • @bobtank6318
      @bobtank6318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @Zorro Laplaya Uhhh, the F22 is still the best air superiority fighter out there. Most air combat takes place at BVR (beyond visual range), meaning aircraft have to rely on radar to detect, lock, and fire upon enemy aircraft. This is where stealth gives the F22 a massive advantage. The detectability of an aircraft can be partially determined by a planes RCS, or radar-cross section, where the lower it is the less detectable an aircraft is on radar. A Rafale's RCS is around 1 m^2, a respectable number when compared to other 4th gen fighters. However, the F22 has an RCS of around 0.0001 m^2, making it far less detectable than a Rafale. In the majority of cases, the F22 would be able to detect, fire on, and destroy a Rafale before the Rafale could even get a whiff of the F22's radar signature. And before you start going on about how he was still right about the F35, the RCS of that aircraft is around 0.0015 m^2, less stealthy than the F22 but still able to dominate an engagement against 4th gen fighters. Also, the low RCS of both the F22 and F35 make them more survivable against SAMs, the other main threat that threatens aircraft these days.
      If you want to look at a military program that is truly a failure, I encourage you to check out the Navy's own LCS program.
      Edit: Also, once it was proved successful, Pierre Spray turned around and praised it, even claiming he helped design it. If the F22 is a failure, wouldn't he still be wrong?
      Edit 2: Here's some sources on the RCS: faculty.nps.edu/jenn/EC4630/RCSredux.pdf www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

    • @benwyness148
      @benwyness148 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was not

  • @LSmoney215
    @LSmoney215 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Us have 450 already

  • @conradfung5537
    @conradfung5537 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pierre Michel Sprey (November 22, 1937 - August 4, 2021

  • @EileenDanganronpa
    @EileenDanganronpa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The only reason people listen to Pierre Sprey is because they have no idea what he's talking about because if they did they would realize he has no idea what he's talking about

  • @mikemurphy5898
    @mikemurphy5898 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This guy did this interview and then time made an absolute fool of him

    • @raymondhuang277
      @raymondhuang277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Pierre Sprey is a "reformer" he believes that we should use m48s instead of m1s. he thinks that the m48 is safer than the m1. another member of the reformers thinks that the m113 should be a plane.
      in short dont listen to pierre sprey, the reformers are the scientologists of war

    • @chronics143
      @chronics143 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@raymondhuang277 you just watch Spookstons video too 😂

    • @alliwanttodoisdoit5495
      @alliwanttodoisdoit5495 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The U.S. Air Force Just Admitted The F-35 has failed he was proven right

    • @dmitchellhomes
      @dmitchellhomes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alliwanttodoisdoit5495 WRONG!!! the USAF just stated the F35 is expensive, and needs lots of maintenance, same things were said about F15, and F16 in the 80's. Back when F-16 were crashing right and left because of design problems.

    • @slooob23
      @slooob23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dmitchellhomes they are not even close to the complexity of the eff thirty lemon

  • @apollotoaster5048
    @apollotoaster5048 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I believe Lazerpig

  • @dakadaka7455
    @dakadaka7455 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    well, obviously TH-cam experts>guy who actually worked on military planes

    • @jb76489
      @jb76489 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This guy didn’t work on any planes

    • @littlefatso
      @littlefatso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hes worked as a defence analyst, he works with concepts. He has no idea what he is talking about in regards to engineering or aircraft design. He was also part of a group of analysts known as the reformers (www.airforcemag.com/article/0208reformers/).
      Another way to put it is that you are defending the "aircraft knowledge" of a guy who thought the F-15, arguably the greatest fighter of its generation and still not a slouch, was also a turkey.

    • @jb76489
      @jb76489 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@avae5343 The guy who thought the f16 shouldn’t have radar? The guy who said the f15(with its ~200:0 win ration) was bad is right is he? How do you figure that
      And by the way, sprey wasn’t a pilot either

    • @dakadaka7455
      @dakadaka7455 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@avae5343 Because American youtube warriors cant stand the truth that they are paying tax and losing money on technology that only works in Goatistan and some 3rd world countries. Thats why they are mad and they dislike everything Pierre says

    • @strawberrydragon6252
      @strawberrydragon6252 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dakadaka7455 Stealth works against a country's peers perfectly fine.
      It hides you for long enough to fire first.

  • @jackstheraptor2791
    @jackstheraptor2791 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    when a big thing coming out , there should be some people to say these things about it cause they need media attention

    • @Democracyphobia
      @Democracyphobia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This guy was behind the f16 program . Everything he is talking about is legit . The moment you try to make a three service airplane you re screwed . There is no airframe that can satisfy three services all at the same time. Just look at the A10 , the harrier , the f15 and the f16 to understand what he is talking about .

    • @jacobgaysawyer337
      @jacobgaysawyer337 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ok jaxawn

    • @littlefatso
      @littlefatso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ​@@Democracyphobia "Boyd, defense analysts Tom Christie, Pierre Sprey, Chuck Myers, test pilot Col. Everest Riccioni and aeronautical engineer Harry Hillaker formed the core of the "Fighter Mafia" which worked behind the scenes in the late 1960s to pursue a lightweight fighter as an alternative to the F-15. The group strongly believed that an ideal fighter should not include any of the radar-guided missile systems, active radar or rudimentary ground-attack capability that found their way into the F-15."
      - Cunningham, J. "Rediscovering Air Superiority: Vietnam, the F-X, and the 'Fighter Mafia'". Air & Space Power Journal - Chronicles Online Journal. United States: Airforce
      I dunno, whatever he is talking about sounds dumb to me.

    • @x7Samuraix
      @x7Samuraix 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@littlefatso except that just last week, the Air Force admitted the F35 still doesn’t meet the requirements, basically confirming Pierre’s statements.
      Now we are making upgraded versions of F15 & 16 to ensure air superiority.

    • @fasterthandragons7908
      @fasterthandragons7908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@x7Samuraix One dude said it, legit one dude.

  • @Kakarot4SS
    @Kakarot4SS 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    All propaganda. They said the same thing about the F22. The ones that keep saying it’s a failure are the ones that didn’t make any money from it. The logistics that go into a war machine of this magnitude have never need done before etc. It takes time to smooth everything out.

    • @ThyMajesticOne
      @ThyMajesticOne 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And how many were built??? 195, why stop if it was soo good?

    • @Kakarot4SS
      @Kakarot4SS 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How many do you need? When something’s good you don’t need more of them you need less of them.

    • @ThyMajesticOne
      @ThyMajesticOne 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You crack me up :-) ROFL! Have a nice day

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ThyMajesticOne do the math and you'll figure out that answer real quick. That's a lot of money. Also, many countries dont have a combined airforce of 100 planes, fighters, bomber, attackers etc. You really dont need that many. Especially a plane as pricey as the f22 and f35

    • @ThyMajesticOne
      @ThyMajesticOne 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SeekerHead Dream on

  • @andrewlambert7246
    @andrewlambert7246 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You might be able to see a stealt fighter with ww2 technology but it is hard to get weapon lock on Stealth fighter.

  • @filmdude5058
    @filmdude5058 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the only thing stealthy about the f35 is its price

  • @hankm2457
    @hankm2457 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Even in air to air combat the plane is so advanced that it doesn't need to engage in a dog fight bc it can identify the enemy planes model, country and weapons before it is in the pilots eye view of the enemy plane, then fire a missle before the enemy even knows what was coming

    • @Lucky-nv2ph
      @Lucky-nv2ph 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exact same words they said about not putting a gun on the f4 phantom during Nam.....

    • @alack3879
      @alack3879 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Lucky-nv2ph
      1. Nam was 50 years ago. The gap in computers, cameras, and ai is titanically huge.
      2. the f4 phantom is a ground attack aircraft, not an Interceptor.
      3. Only a handful of Phantoms were lost to gunfire. The vast majority of the ~450 lost Phantoms were shot down by SAMs.
      4. The Phantom had a 2.5 to 1 KD on modern Russian fighter's.
      5. The F35 has a gun and is more maneuverable than an F16.

    • @thorinbane
      @thorinbane ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The SU35 has 260 mile range on its radar and ground radar can detect the stealth with long wave form radar. The stealth capabilities don't matter on this flying tub. In case you don't understand how fighters work, missiles while dangerous can be defeated relatively easily. Bullets however can't.

    • @Jusuff
      @Jusuff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@alack3879The F-4 was an interceptor. It's idea was to serve as Fleet Defense for the US Navy. It just happened to be able to also sling a load of bombs due to it's design.

    • @otgunz
      @otgunz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      SAME CAN BE DONE BY THE ENEMY. That is why in times missiles are went out and fighters get far closer... Don't carry a fire extinguisher in your car since it is so modern that it won't cause any crashes, it is so agile and fast that it can outmanuver a car crash... that is your logc.

  • @jawjww
    @jawjww 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I agree with his thoughts.

  • @arx3516
    @arx3516 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If Pierre Sprey had his way US fighters would look like Da Vinci's flyng machine, but lighter.

  • @cursedimages9389
    @cursedimages9389 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bor siad that its hard to turn at low speed 💀💀💀💀

  • @intelcom4964
    @intelcom4964 6 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    I respect this man

    • @qwmf05gcpt42
      @qwmf05gcpt42 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No

    • @jaime117d
      @jaime117d 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You shouldn't, considering that he's fundamentally wrong in several places.

    • @gorf1
      @gorf1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He is an idiot who hated Abrams and F-15 too.

    • @virgilius7036
      @virgilius7036 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He's a crook. He did not design the F16, it is the engineers of General Dynamics!

    • @crowdcontrol4050
      @crowdcontrol4050 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      BTW no one is a d1ckhead enough to tell their enemies what they are really are capable of doing xD

  • @Kirovets7011
    @Kirovets7011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Royal Dutch Airforce, wich has 14 F-35's at this moment, has already problems with this thing. During a thunderstorm a few weeks ago, almost all the instruments in the cockpit failed!! The pilots had to turn back to base immediatly, before they could have crashed!!
    "Our" government has ordered 42 F-35's in total. That will turn out to be a HUGE disaster.👎👎👎😮😮

    • @michaelhaney9432
      @michaelhaney9432 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, that's not true. www.defenseworld.net/news/27887/Damaged_Inert_Gas_Tubes_found_on_Dutch_F_35_Fighter_Jets#.YK-aqPlKguU

    • @Kirovets7011
      @Kirovets7011 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelhaney9432 Well, whatever the cause was, those F-35's aint gonna work!

  • @Valdismith
    @Valdismith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bulgaria ordered few F16, very few I think, but I agree with the decision. We can't afford more then several air fighters, and I think the latest update of F16 is good option in out case, not that we can do much alone against anybody, god forbid a war happens, but every nation needs fighters.

    • @cliffordnelson8454
      @cliffordnelson8454 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too bad the US never built the F-16XL, More advanced aerodynamically that the F-16 or F-15, with twice the range and twice the payload of an F-16 and probably close to the 8-10k per flight hour of the F-16 vs about 24k for F-15

  • @dennistichelkamp7327
    @dennistichelkamp7327 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He is excellent and frank

    • @danielmolinar8669
      @danielmolinar8669 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Frank enough to lie about designing anything but his lies.
      Lied about designing the A-10 and F-15 like all of the fighter mafia

  • @mmb811
    @mmb811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    It's 2020, and now it's a TRILLION DOLLARS!
    Good call, it's MAIN & ONLY MISSION is to be a CASH COW for the DEFENSE CONTRACTOR

    • @infinitelyexplosive4131
      @infinitelyexplosive4131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      it turns out that running a program for 50 years and using inflation-adjusted dollars makes things sound really expensive.

    • @mmb811
      @mmb811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@infinitelyexplosive4131 50years later trillions of dollars later, and it STILL has not delivered on any of its promises!
      Still USELESS!

    • @infinitelyexplosive4131
      @infinitelyexplosive4131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mmb811 now it's trillions, plural? Where did the extra trillion+ come from?

    • @cielazul713
      @cielazul713 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was Lockheed vs Boeing. Id say either way they were gonna screw em over in the long-run.
      Maybe its time US look to non-US aviation manufacturing. Made and designed in Japan maybe?
      At least then, the Japanese would never outsource classified parts and electronics plus it would boost an allys economy and morale. They may even order their own JP next gen fighters with US blessing. Win-win.

    • @cielazul713
      @cielazul713 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@infinitelyexplosive4131 well its nearing a cool trillion now and having it scheduled for active duty by 2035 plus seeing how its supposed to be in service for another 25-35 years thereafter, it is very likely that the final tab may rack up another trillion by then.
      I doubt US military will be foolish enough to fall for a similar bait and switch. The future of combat is low-earth orbit, cyber (network/infrastructure) and - dare I say - biological. So wasting that much on another "Next-Gen" fighter is pointless.

  • @peterblack3555
    @peterblack3555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    where is Pierre Sprey, he hasn't said anything about the f 35 for some time now.

    • @taconinja7000
      @taconinja7000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/1Pgiq-TlmSo/w-d-xo.html A lot of his points were made moot by someone who actually flew all they aircraft he talks about.

    • @harrisn3693
      @harrisn3693 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      John Harden That dude is paid by Lockheed. Maybe you should be an engineer and say it to Pierre you Lockheed fanboy.

    • @taconinja7000
      @taconinja7000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@harrisn3693 I'm actually flying so I'll leave the desk work to you, Poindexter

    • @sebastianhermann1992
      @sebastianhermann1992 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He died recently

    • @peterblack3555
      @peterblack3555 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sebastianhermann1992 Oh no I can't believe it!