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"If someone is getting offended because of my ethical choice, then probably this is a good friendship to ditch"- Million dollar quote❤️🔥
This video is full of such a quotes.. another one is vegans don't need a support, animals need a support
Right!..
I was more stubborn then her, but now I am vegan. When reality hits you, then taste pleasure can't hold you back for long.
The last line was the best
Vegans don't need the support, Animals need support
Kudos to your patience
I don't have patience
I have had so many fights on this with my closed one that I eventually stopped preaching
We need to as the victims only have vegans to speak up for them. There will always be many examples in daily life which you can explain how people bullying, oppressing and exploiting other people, are the equivalent of how humans treat animals, on an even worse level, due to lack of rights not to suffer.
Shivam, each time I watch a video of your street outreaches, I learn so much from you. Number one is having "patience". I have had conversations with people when it turned out to an ugly fight, most of the times because non-vegans couldn't keep their calm. But I accept that I wasn't calm either in certain scenarios. It affects my mental health a lot. Recently, I had a huge fight with my family and a breakdown after that because I tried questioning their consumption of meat and dairy. Your videos give me hope that the most stubborn people can also be engaged in a conversation and leave an impact on them. Thank you so much for all that you do. It isn't only helping animals but people like us who get inspired by you every single day. I hope that your voice reaches every corner of the world. I wonder why your TH-cam subscribers are so low, but I do get the point. One is of course shadow banning of these type of content and second is people like to avoid topics where their beliefs are questioned. But I really hope your page grows and it reaches to many more people.
Another great one brother!
When I ask people: "What is it that will make you go vegan?"
Then they often start talking like her, about food, saying things like: "inconvenience, food at family gatherings etc." When they do that, I say: "Let me rephrase the question: What is it that will make you stop viewing animals as slaves and commodities?"
I think this is a good way to keep them focused on the victims.
I hope she stops taking pride in her willful ignorance and arrogance.
Brilliant work my man! Being eloquent does half the work for you! :)
I am with you brother! Thankyou so much 🪔🐣
Thanks for your kind support 🙏
It seems like she almost takes pride in her apathy while maintaining her calmness, which is quite scary.
And you confronted her point on @10:00 .
Kudos to 30 minutes of patience of yours!!
Why is it scary to you?
It is a sociopathic trait. The lack of empathy.
क्या आप एक vegan diet plan बना सकते है, मैं एक student हूं, मैं अभी कुछ दिन पहले ही vegan बना हूं, तो मुझे ज्यादा पता नही हैं, क्या खाना है क्या नहीं, क्योंकि हर चीज में किसी न किसी तरह से पशु हिंसा शामिल है, खाने में ही नहीं बल्कि हमारे रोजाना काम आने वाली चीजों में भी जैसे साबुन, शैंपू, जूते, चप्पल और कपड़े आदि में भी। तो फिलहाल तो में आप से यही निवेदन करूंगा की आप एक low budget plant based diet पर एक video बनाए।
धन्यवाद।
Excellent outreach. Thank you 💗💗💗
This girl seems empty and hollow. No empathy and no compassion
Sadly that's how most people are.
I always believe the people who have compassion for poor voiceless animals are always empathetic and kind to other humans
And they know the forgiving nature .
That’s why at least parents should teach VEGANISM to their kids as
It will enhance their character ❤
very true indeed
One thing is for sure, you have good communication skills, which is very much helpful for animals and the vegans who come across like the same mindset people as this girl, and somehow find quite difficult to make them understand what are we (vegans) trying to establish.
Wonderful work
One side :
"Destruction of motherhood"
"Destruction of Life"
"Injustice when we think from the Victim's perspective"
Other side :
"It's just an animal"
😢😢
Hope the girl pondered over her thoughts later on but this video is a classic example of humans being stubborn about their stance.
Taste buds victory over purpose of life...🙏🙏🙏😊
Speechless.. As per some movie quote 'The hardest thing to do and the right thing to do is usually the same..'
This is a classic example how not everyone can make hard / right choices.😢
'vegans dont need a support, animals need a support' what a punch..!! Beautiful conversation.. If she is really open minded, she will go vegan one day 😊.. you probably have done this inception of that idea
Swatted her mosquito argument like a mosquito🤣🤣 instantly
LOL yes
If you were truly in that hen's or any animal's position, you would be dying & dreaming for somebody like him to speak up for you
Very well said, Shivam. A friend who doesn't understand you needs to be ditched. Especially when it comes to the ethical choices you've made. And if that friend really cared for you, he or she would have got a vegan alternative for you if it was available or at least taken the trouble to make one. There are so many plant based cake recipes on the internet.
Can you make vegan diet plan for students.
Can you make a vegan diet plan, I am a student, I have become vegan just a few days ago, so I don't know much, what to eat and what not, because everything involves animal violence in some way or the other. It is present not only in food but also in our daily use items like soap, shampoo, shoes, slippers and clothes etc. So for now, I would just request you to make a video on a low budget plant based diet.
Thank you.
The only good thing about her is her honesty. Meat eaters often use predators to justify killing farmed animals and I will tell them as supposedly civilised adult humans, they can understand what is cruelty and compassion and should use their intelligence to protect, not harm.
@21:17 should be a T-shirt quote!! 🙌
❤❤❤👊👊👊👊🩵🐖🐄 thank you brother for representing the defenseless. As an outreacher in Anonymous for the Voiceless, ny passion, who has been in many debates you really did a wonderful effort to not give up on her
Tiger lives in forest and don't have many choices whereas we live in cities and we have lots of super markets where we have plenty of choices. So comparing oneself with tiger is not sounding so good. Tiger's do many things that we human can't do with our relatives. So if comparing with others take all dimensions not only one or two to justify your weakness of taste...🙏🙏🙏😊
Been following your work from the very beginning, this conversation right here covers most of things a vegan vs anti vegan have in a conversation. Such a calm, great one and we need more of this in our country and thanks to u. Love your work
Just the utter lack of empathy and compassion people show for someone's suffering is depressing to me.
Great outreach Brother. Keep doing great work. You are so calm and collected. Your recounting of dairy industry was very powerful and I am sure the girl has registered that and will reflect on it.
Now I got you do very critical analysis because you have a very tight command on this subject... You give answer of all the filmsy questions raised by people against veganism..... GREAT ❤❤
Very logical argument bro, and very informative, i learn so many things from you.
Very tough conversation! You did a great job Shivam bhaiya!
Always a treat and major learnings whenever I listen to you. ❤
Koi faida nhi h
School may kabir ka doha padatay h par bhi bacche aese nikal jate h 😢
I really appreciate the efforts of making this video.
I can be a vegan and I can stop drinking milk once I get milk alternatively easily available.
In Chandigarh cow/buffaloes milk is available everywhere but I have not seen vegan milk anywhere yet.
I see cows on road but Buffalo are surely killed because people get money in return of buffalo meat.
I'm not vegan because I'm not 100% convinced.
You will when you become a climate refugee.
17:32 - I live with my family,who are predominantly vegetarian. Milk,curd,icecream,honey and ghee are what they consume. Since I adopted veganism, the only thing I dropped was the above listed items. Rest remains the same for us all. If palak paneer is made, I dont eat the sabzi, I either eat some other chutney or anything else. I dont know who these people are who make panner based sabzi everyday but it is completely possible to ask your parent,whoever makes food to let you know whats being made that comes from an animal and you can plan accordingly. Every parent who makes food will 100 percent ask in the house as to what should be made for lunch or dinner the day before. So, I think its quite possible to do these minor changes.
Now we know she has apathy towards animals she eats so her excuses are classic which any person really in tune with their humanity will never give. It is extremely easy to be a vegan in India, the question is are you a sane individual or insane. Simple.
She is least bothered about anyone. If it suits me, I take it, I don't care what happens to others. Having said that we can't blame her , her societal exposure also teaches you how to see at life. So it's sad that people like her exists, it's definitely possible for her to take an honest inward journey. I am not being personal with her, am providing objective assessment.
Does a tiger have a moral compass?
"I like it despite causing suffering to sentient individuals"
You don't need to argue, if you see reality as it is. You argue only when you are wrong and don't want to accept the truth.
Commendable patience you have Shivam!excellent work!
Huge respect for her❤
I think she understood but just tried too hard to accept her actions' reality. I have a feeling if she reflects more, she will become vegan.
nope she wont for sure , she was being to ignorant to understand
"Dairy and meat industries are contributing in economy", मस्त जोक मारा है रे बाबा। आचार्य प्रशांत जी के संदेश देखिए जिसमें उन्होंने मांस और दुग्ध उद्योग को ना केवल अर्थ व्यवस्था के लिए हानिकारक बताया है वरन जलवायु परिवर्तन, वैश्विक तापन, जैव विविधता क्षरण, ग़रीबी और भुखमरी का कारण भी बताया है। पहले लगता था कि अंग्रेज़ी माध्यम में पढ़ने वाले थोड़े जागरूक और संवेदनशील होते होंगे। पर यहां तो सभी एक ही थाली के चटटे बट्टे हैं...🙏🙏🙏😊
Acharya Prashant isn't an economist.
@@codedusting I know. But is it compulsory to be an economist to know the economics. Watch his discourses on dairy and meat industries...🙏🙏🙏😊
@@Surya-23 It's not. But he doesn't make sense
@@codedusting It's our fault that we had lost our sensitivity to sense subtle things which he wants to explain in his statements because it restricted us to stop our blind desires and consumptions...🙏🙏🙏😊
meanwhile countries which have 99% population are non veg are much cleaner, pollution free, clean rivers, more forest cover...
while world's most vegetarian nation have all those problems🤗
le acharya prashant
Regarding the purpose of life argument: purpose is actually to find peace and calmness.. get rid of temptations and desires that harm us and others.. not sure how she has referred it in exactly opposite ways
Brilliant conversation ✨
Kudos to your efforts 👍
@19:00 she sounds like the friend who got offended from her example!!
Her question regarding the workshops seems a bit hopeful.
respect for this girl😌✔️
What is her purpose of life? What has she contributed towards making this world a better place?
For all we know she could be studying to be a doctor or a defense lawyer or an engineer. Who are we to judge anyone who you dont know?
@@HarveysWorkshop He hasn't judged, just raised a fair question. And the fields you mentioned require some intelligence, but the girl didnt seem to have much of it.
@HarveysWorkshop What is the purpose of mentally challenged people, babies and children? Would it be okay for us to take their lives when we decide it's time to do so?
@@JwalinBhatt so you are judging someones intelligence based on dietary preference? Thats stupid.
@@HarveysWorkshop Umm not really. I'm judging it based on the conversation they had. What's stupid is saying something is stupid without understanding it
More power to you Shivam bhai
❤
Great work 🙏
this was an amazing conversation! she didn't look empathetic even after seeing hens being slaughtered in the documentary,
She obviously hasn't seen Earthlings, or she did not bother to watch such documentaries in full.
Brilliant man brilliant points❤
Veganism expensive hai 🤣🤣
mahine ke 5k bcha raha hun jb se vegan bna hun
Be Non-Vegetarian, Be strong. I am proud to be a non-vegetarian person. I believe in Swami Vivekananda not that Acharya. Agar Swami Vivekananda maans khaake achche insan ban sakte hn to mn kyun nahin. Mn Cow Meat to nahin khaata
embarrassing animal abuser
👋
Beans, lentils, rice, potatoes, frozen vegetables and fruits, oatmeal, peanut butter, apples and bananas.
Vegan is cheap!!!
Thank you so much for being UNMUTE on behalf of the beings considered to be MUTE. 🙏🙌🙌
19:25 😂😂 👏👏👌🏽❤
You can't kill a mosquito for your benefit has everyone has a live and no one has a right to take away life from anyone no matters the life is of animal or insect small or big so please respect everyone lift don't kill any live for your satisfaction
I would use repellent. But her question was if no repellent. So that is my answer. And i am not killing for benefits. Self defence.
@@voiceofvegans But you should not kill for you defence as well as you can move away as taking a life from individual is not a right act to do(As I too am a vegan for animals ethics so didn't get that point right)
@user-zq4lv8vp8u and hence i said i will shoo away first. I will adhere to violence as a last resort. I said i am consistent as i will do the same with humans. If a human attacks me, i will find a non violent way but if it comes to that then i will do everything in my power to protect my family and me or any other victim.
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Also, in such conversations we need to understand the flow of discussion. These are less about answering queries but more about controlling the discussion to a certain outcome. Why do you think she asked that question? To get a response that paints vegans as extremes which would make it psychologically easier for her to stay away from the idea of veganism. So i quickly closed that point (instead of getting sidetracked by a philosophical discussion on mosquitoes) and got back to center of the discussion.
@@voiceofvegans I understand, you answer it so that you can get back to the center of discussion .
But my point is about the mindset that if a human abuses we can adhere to violence as a last resort has humans has brain they know what they are doing but insects does it for their natural instincts without knowing of right or wrong so we cant kill them as it's the part of their life
@@voiceofvegans I understand you said it to get back to the center of discussion
But my point is about the mindset that if a human abuses you then you can adhere to violence as alast resort as human has a brain they know what is right and wrong but insects does it due to their natural instincts without knowing what is right or wrong so you cant kill them as it's the part of their life
इस लड़की के पास सुचना बहुत है, पर ज्ञान की कमी है!😂
Thank you for speaking up for animals 💖💖💖💖
The main problem here is, if im not vegan, I'm anti vegan? I dont mind you being vegan. I dont mind anyone being vegan. Why does that make me anti vegan?
That's how it is. You're either a feminist or a sexist. There's no in between. You're either a racist or an anti racist. There's no in between. Same in vegan case.
No u can watch mamy videos she is diff from all justifying same thing even after listening everything is dumb ,she canbe two of These ignorant or anti vegan nd in last he said she is somewhat of anti vegan
by the end she says she will be fine with others being vegan. She was def not an anti vegan by the end of the discussion.
Wow you are so kind for not minding me being a vegan. I am so grateful for your approval. Now can you also stop abusing animals?
bcoz its our moral obligation to be a vegan in todays time, where we can afford to eat a well balanced vegan diet we are still supporting animal abuse so in turn you are an anti vegan. watch dominion on youtube to know the reality
She's a sociopath
Great work. Thank you. Be vegan everyone 💚💚💚💚💚💚
Human is human, animal is animal. Human life is definitely most important than other animals.
So kindly stop this bullshit
I love this girl atleast she took stand and not give against these vegan bullies who think they stand on some high ground and want to curb the right of human beings Nature has made humans as omnivores for a reason and to have a balance sustainable healthy lifestyle we have to be an omnivore as we do not or a healthy vegan diet is way way more more expensive as compared to an omnivore diet
Following a vegan diet will more probably cause a nutritional deficiency in the future if you are not really rich and humans do not need to sacrifice that much for this vegan ideology Humans have no incentive to fall for this ideology
if you can afford to eat food daily then you can also afford to eat vegan food and no one is saying you to eat processed vegan food or almond milk, its just to continue with our indian traditional dishes which are already vegan.
Why don't you go and debate with the Academy of Dietetics and Nutrition - the organisation with the largest number of experts in the two fields - who believe otherwise. Please livestream the debate so we can watch as you call out their bullshit. I would suggest you invite the American, British and Canadian Dietetics Associations too as well as the British NHS cause they say the very same thing.
@@nawabsinghgill That traditional Indian vegan food filled with mostly carbs and lacks other nutrient in a big way
Being vegetarian is absolutely alright but vegan is not nature has not made us that way to eat only plant based food
We people who are vegetarians or non vegetarians are not forcing our diet on you
You vegan bullies want everyone to be like you which is not acceptable
No major nutritional authorities ask us to live us on a pure plant based diet why should we follow you on something which gives no benefit to us why should we sacrifice our health for the sake of your ideology
@@shoban1520 Are u saying this to me
Well then no major nutritional authorities on earth ask us to live on a pure plant based diet neither there are any scientific studies to claim that a vegan diet is better than a omnivore diet
@@Peacewithin97you CAN live without it
Dude who d listen so much to his illogical talks 😂😂😂, freaking the level of patience the girl had . For real
Can you make a vegan diet plan, I am a student, I have become vegan just a few days ago, so I don't know much, what to eat and what not, because everything involves animal violence in some way or the other. It is present not only in food but also in our daily use items like soap, shampoo, shoes, slippers and clothes etc. So for now, I would just request you to make a video on a low budget plant based diet.
Thank you.
Can you make a vegan diet plan, I am a student, I have become vegan just a few days ago, so I don't know much, what to eat and what not, because everything involves animal violence in some way or the other. It is present not only in food but also in our daily use items like soap, shampoo, shoes, slippers and clothes etc. So for now, I would just request you to make a video on a low budget plant based diet.
Thank you.
Can you make a vegan diet plan, I am a student, I have become vegan just a few days ago, so I don't know much, what to eat and what not, because everything involves animal violence in some way or the other. It is present not only in food but also in our daily use items like soap, shampoo, shoes, slippers and clothes etc. So for now, I would just request you to make a video on a low budget plant based diet.
Thank you.