Sat in the Renault Zoe with 52 kw battery this year. What a great car. And the Renault 4 and 5 look great. Renault really knows how to make stylish electric cars.
Back in the 1970’s the old 4’s were all over Europe, cheap, practical and reliable...they were made in Algeria, Morocco, Slovenia, South America...all over the place..good to see Renault using their design legacy in the electric transition.
The reason why camera mirrors are not allowed is because you don't have a 3d vision which results in not having a accurate perception of distances. Bigger wheels are being used because manufacturers are making ginormous cars and they will look silly with 15inch wheels. Also because they make the ride more comfortable
What the majority of people want is something small. Not a colossus like this. Many people live in cities and don't have the space to use this monster.
Cool looking, but would guess the aero is terrible at anything approaching hwy speed. Seems likely the range is very optimistic. Would be happy to be wrong here.
Even with smaller tires, this is taller than many sort-of SUVs and crossovers. I like stepping up into a seat, stepping down going out, versus a low bucket you plop into and push up out of. MY RAV4 has spoiled me, with its easy in/out and super comfortable driver's seat.
It won't get homologation with wheels extending beyond fenders. Hopefully that will reduce the width. Length is perfect for the city but not the width.
drove thousands of miles in my original 4 loved every minute of its 6v electric system NO but it would go anywhere. The new version is the only vehicle so far that would tempt me to these world destroying EV con things.! Cant Wait to clap my eyes on the real thing
I would love it if Renault came back to the United States. They have so many great EV options. Maybe they can use some of the money from the Nissan sell off to re-establish themselves here.
Just remember that these are concepts, the final production versions won't look quite so radical, especially the 4ever which I expect they will tone down quite a bit.
Renaut have never been aveerse to putting our radical cars from their engineering to their looks. I see no reason to think that the production versions would be toned down at all.
It looks a bit like a Tonia Toy, but I like it as it is. Looking forward to seeing it on the roads. It's not particularly small, by British standards, and will be very practical on our roads - minus some of those extra gimmicks. Electronic rear view mirrors sound promising, so long as they're reliable.
"How can such a small battery pack give 250 miles of range?" I think the answer is that it's the larger battery pack that gives 250 miles and the 40 pack will give 150 to 180 miles. If you look at the semi circular join where the front wing joins the front grille area then it replicates the original shape and the rear window trapezoidal shape also apes the original.
When it will be on the road it will be everything but looking like this design. That IS the problem with concept cars. Always cool but once in production...
Yeah, they removed the mirrors and then put a spare tyre on the roof, makes total sense.🤣 (Also, only someone who has never had to change a tyre would put a spare one at the most inconvenient place on a car.)
Of all the innovative practices that Tesla has brought to the auto market, building luxury first then use that oversized margins to fund lessor luxurious models & rolling down market increasing production capacity would be, I would think, one of the easiest and obvious ones. Many of the legacy ICE assembler-manufacturers have some luxury models, like that Hummer, just not in numbers sufficient to drive down the manufacturing cost. Obviously lower cost range EVs are very needed. tesla's strategy was to build from the highest range to the lower. They'll get there. Meanwhile none of the companies building EVs aimed at the affordable segment before establishing EV manufacturing cred are floundering.
Renault has not sold a car in the US since the 1980s, when they paired with the now defunct AMC. They have never been a factor in the US. The Renault 5 was slightly successful, but only with heavy discounts and the Renault Alliance which they based their entire strategy on was a dismal failure. There is no one here, who has fond memories of the marque, the EV4 and EV5 will be a really tough sale here.
When this comes into production, it will look nothing like this, in fact it will look like a normal bland Renault. What is the point of showing this beautiful car when its not being produced.
Please stop the false wheel (rim) size statements. There is no significant connection between wheel size and vehicle efficiency. First, tyre diameter (something that actually matters) is determined by tyre profile not wheel rim size. Second, gearing (which is determined by the reduction gear and tyre circumference) is a vehicle design consideration and if the vehicle designers have done their job correctly the tyre size will have been selected based on the efficiency sweetspot of the motor and vehicle. Finally, expect an SUV with offroad usage in mind to have relatively large tyres - anyone who deals with undulating or rough and broken terrain knows the advantages of larger tyres (and ground clearance). It is easy to compensate for large tyres by increasing the reduction gear ratio.
"On the Tesla Model S P100D, a 19-inch tire uses about 5% less energy than a 21-inch tire. For Tesla S 60D / 75D / 90D models, the difference is almost 12%. And on the Tesla Model X P100D, the difference is even greater: 20-inch tires provide a 23.3% reduction in energy consumption compared to 22-inch tires." toka.energy/en/blog/how-wheels-affect-electric-vehicle-range/ But I guess it depends on general usage ( city/stop-and-go vs. continuous speed) and that there isn't a single answer: "Advice regarding wheel size is not as simple as saying that either larger-size or smaller-size wheels are best for every scenario. Both have advantages as well as disadvantages. For example, less power is needed to get a smaller wheel into motion. Therefore, in areas with stop-and-go traffic, it's best to have a smaller-size wheel. When in motion, the vehicle’s motor works harder to cover as much distance as a large wheel. This means larger wheels have more efficiency than smaller wheels when in motion." evannex.com/blogs/news/how-does-tire-size-affect-range
@@trashmail8 If the vehicle engineers have done their job propertly they will have selected a reduction gear(s) and tyre diameter that after motor torque and vehicle weight are taken into account represents a sound basis for an efficient and responsive vehicle. In general, what matters in connection to wheels and tyres is a) weight and b) dimensions of the tyre (circumference being the most significant dimension because of its impact on gearing) and c) rubber compound of the tyre. Only comparisons based on definite measurements of significant factors, e.g. that include the weight of wheels and tyres and the exact diameter of the tyre (from which its circumference - which has an effect on gearing and is therefore highly significant - can be derived) as well as its rubber compound, can tell us anything of substance about efficiency. Wheel rim size information by itself is worthless because weight is the most significant thing about wheel rims and because without specific information on a tyre's dimensions we can't know the circumference of the rotating wheel and tyre mass, which after all is the thing that matters (because the tyres rather than the wheel rims meet the road surface). Even when we have relevant and complete measurements and data for vehicle efficiency comparisons the applicability of those measurements and data will still be limited - what we learn will primarily apply to vehicles of a certain type and weight with certain motor torque characteristics and having a certain reduction gear ratio.
The problem with these European concepts is just that. The Renault 5 EV has been teased for well over 2 years now, I'm already bored. Same with VW and their ID2, no suprise the Asian companies are proving successful amongst buyers, they actually go ahead and produce the damn things. I'm in the market for my first EV, and the likes of MG, Hyundai and Kia actually have cars I can buy right now.
Where is this manufactured, China? If so, I'll pass. Oh, Made in France, I love it. Why can't we have an EV like the original Fiat Panda (or Panda 4x4)?
Hello Sam and all; at the three minute and 47 second mark (3:47) you state that “get the vehicle with smaller wheels, stay away from the larger wheels because it will do nothing for range“… That is an absolute falsehood that you are saying!… because the larger the diameter wheel the farther the vehicle will go on one revolution of the axle! When I built my 2011 Chevrolet Cruz ECO with range from 840 to 1280 MILES (not km) on a single charge, I purposely put on larger wheels to give it a better ride, a cool stance and it helps lower the RPMs of the motor (versus going higher RPM’s at a set speed with smaller diameter tires) while going further / farther! If you continue to spread “miss information“ like this I’m going to have to unsubscribe and stop watching because I’m gonna think you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about and you will lose credibility! Of course you’re not the apple in my eye because despite me coming on here many times and asking you to check out my “ultra long range electric vehicle” that I made in a one car garage with no lift and very little heat enduring the New England winters you have still ignored/avoided reaching out to me so that you or one of your representatives can come and look at the car! Why is that??!! Edward Heath - Owner /Engineer / Machinist / Fabricator at “New Ideas and Innovations, LLC“ in Madison, CT USA
I remember the Renault 4 from the 70s. Very little 🚗
Sat in the Renault Zoe with 52 kw battery this year. What a great car. And the Renault 4 and 5 look great. Renault really knows how to make stylish electric cars.
OMG. I adore this! I want it just the way it is.
Back in the 1970’s the old 4’s were all over Europe, cheap, practical and reliable...they were made in Algeria, Morocco, Slovenia, South America...all over the place..good to see Renault using their design legacy in the electric transition.
Citroen Oli is my favourite so far
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Love the content! Where do you find the time to do the thorough research you do and still produce 4-5 high quality videos a day?
Well he did not do “thorough research“ if he’s stating that the smaller wheels would be better!
The same place you find time to watch his videos
I love it. Hope they keep it the same as the concept.
There hasn't been a Renault for sale in the US in over 40 years. This little car isn't about to break that trend.
The reason why camera mirrors are not allowed is because you don't have a 3d vision which results in not having a accurate perception of distances.
Bigger wheels are being used because manufacturers are making ginormous cars and they will look silly with 15inch wheels. Also because they make the ride more comfortable
What the majority of people want is something small. Not a colossus like this. Many people live in cities and don't have the space to use this monster.
Thanks for all you do, great channel. Could you maybe do an episode covering Mullen Automotive?
Just the right balance of original and modern design elements. Very clever
Smaller diameter tires need more revs for a given distance. So they last lesser than larger diameter tires. So money it´s at an equilibrium.
My parents had R4. I love the style of a new one, but I hate the tech it has (or better say, doesn't have).
95k 🎉
R4 was and still is an amazing city car. So stoked to see renault modernizing it.
Cool looking, but would guess the aero is terrible at anything approaching hwy speed. Seems likely the range is very optimistic. Would be happy to be wrong here.
Even with smaller tires, this is taller than many sort-of SUVs and crossovers. I like stepping up into a seat, stepping down going out, versus a low bucket you plop into and push up out of. MY RAV4 has spoiled me, with its easy in/out and super comfortable driver's seat.
It won't get homologation with wheels extending beyond fenders. Hopefully that will reduce the width. Length is perfect for the city but not the width.
Sam, this is hot wheels footage. You don’t see the handle on the hood?
It could be a good offroader like the Fiat Panda 4x4
it's a beaut! I'd like the 4 and the 5
drove thousands of miles in my original 4 loved every minute of its 6v electric system NO but it would go anywhere. The new version is the only vehicle so far that would tempt me to these world destroying EV con things.! Cant Wait to clap my eyes on the real thing
What type of batteries & who is supplying Renault's batteries?
I would love it if Renault came back to the United States. They have so many great EV options. Maybe they can use some of the money from the Nissan sell off to re-establish themselves here.
Just remember that these are concepts, the final production versions won't look quite so radical, especially the 4ever which I expect they will tone down quite a bit.
Renaut have never been aveerse to putting our radical cars from their engineering to their looks. I see no reason to think that the production versions would be toned down at all.
It looks a bit like a Tonia Toy, but I like it as it is. Looking forward to seeing it on the roads. It's not particularly small, by British standards, and will be very practical on our roads - minus some of those extra gimmicks. Electronic rear view mirrors sound promising, so long as they're reliable.
"How can such a small battery pack give 250 miles of range?" I think the answer is that it's the larger battery pack that gives 250 miles and the 40 pack will give 150 to 180 miles.
If you look at the semi circular join where the front wing joins the front grille area then it replicates the original shape and the rear window trapezoidal shape also apes the original.
Kilometers not miles.
I think this looks awesome. It should be available with a larger engine or a turbo / twin turbo model. Now that would be mental
When it will be on the road it will be everything but looking like this design. That IS the problem with concept cars. Always cool but once in production...
it looks good but does it work?
like it so far
waiting for the e.R4 van for shopkeepers :)
I like it .👍🇬🇧
It's got a nice boxy shape, but that doesn't quite work for efficiency. Does it?
Yeah, they removed the mirrors and then put a spare tyre on the roof, makes total sense.🤣 (Also, only someone who has never had to change a tyre would put a spare one at the most inconvenient place on a car.)
im surprised it has a spare tire.
Of all the innovative practices that Tesla has brought to the auto market, building luxury first then use that oversized margins to fund lessor luxurious models & rolling down market increasing production capacity would be, I would think, one of the easiest and obvious ones.
Many of the legacy ICE assembler-manufacturers have some luxury models, like that Hummer, just not in numbers sufficient to drive down the manufacturing cost.
Obviously lower cost range EVs are very needed. tesla's strategy was to build from the highest range to the lower. They'll get there. Meanwhile none of the companies building EVs aimed at the affordable segment before establishing EV manufacturing cred are floundering.
The US doesn’t get any other Renaults so it’s unlikely we’ll get this one.
When it breaks down you can always push it down the hill because that's what Renault's known for.
Wish it will look a bit more like the old 4, and less, well, ugly. :) I think I would prefer the Micra.
But wouldn't it look weird with smaller wheels? It's supposed to look like off-road and would bite the purpose.
Renault has not sold a car in the US since the 1980s, when they paired with the now defunct AMC. They have never been a factor in the US. The Renault 5 was slightly successful, but only with heavy discounts and the Renault Alliance which they based their entire strategy on was a dismal failure. There is no one here, who has fond memories of the marque, the EV4 and EV5 will be a really tough sale here.
Found this latest review - seeing the Renault 5 & 4 in the flesh
th-cam.com/video/iC-THwXwakU/w-d-xo.html
The Renault 4 is the design Tesla should produce as its SUV. To me, the Tesla Model Y doesn't look anything like an SUV.
Are you sure it’s not 4x4? It really looks like that’s the look they are going for…
Get the big wheels ! Lol
When this comes into production, it will look nothing like this, in fact it will look like a normal bland Renault. What is the point of showing this beautiful car when its not being produced.
Do you sleep mate? Greetings from Kabul
He records a batch of videos per day and then releases them one at a time on a fixed time interval. 😎👍
@@AI_HQ I thought he was presenting live
Please stop the false wheel (rim) size statements. There is no significant connection between wheel size and vehicle efficiency. First, tyre diameter (something that actually matters) is determined by tyre profile not wheel rim size. Second, gearing (which is determined by the reduction gear and tyre circumference) is a vehicle design consideration and if the vehicle designers have done their job correctly the tyre size will have been selected based on the efficiency sweetspot of the motor and vehicle. Finally, expect an SUV with offroad usage in mind to have relatively large tyres - anyone who deals with undulating or rough and broken terrain knows the advantages of larger tyres (and ground clearance). It is easy to compensate for large tyres by increasing the reduction gear ratio.
"On the Tesla Model S P100D, a 19-inch tire uses about 5% less energy than a 21-inch tire. For Tesla S 60D / 75D / 90D models, the difference is almost 12%. And on the Tesla Model X P100D, the difference is even greater: 20-inch tires provide a 23.3% reduction in energy consumption compared to 22-inch tires."
toka.energy/en/blog/how-wheels-affect-electric-vehicle-range/
But I guess it depends on general usage ( city/stop-and-go vs. continuous speed) and that there isn't a single answer:
"Advice regarding wheel size is not as simple as saying that either larger-size or smaller-size wheels are best for every scenario. Both have advantages as well as disadvantages. For example, less power is needed to get a smaller wheel into motion. Therefore, in areas with stop-and-go traffic, it's best to have a smaller-size wheel. When in motion, the vehicle’s motor works harder to cover as much distance as a large wheel. This means larger wheels have more efficiency than smaller wheels when in motion."
evannex.com/blogs/news/how-does-tire-size-affect-range
@@trashmail8 If the vehicle engineers have done their job propertly they will have selected a reduction gear(s) and tyre diameter that after motor torque and vehicle weight are taken into account represents a sound basis for an efficient and responsive vehicle. In general, what matters in connection to wheels and tyres is a) weight and b) dimensions of the tyre (circumference being the most significant dimension because of its impact on gearing) and c) rubber compound of the tyre. Only comparisons based on definite measurements of significant factors, e.g. that include the weight of wheels and tyres and the exact diameter of the tyre (from which its circumference - which has an effect on gearing and is therefore highly significant - can be derived) as well as its rubber compound, can tell us anything of substance about efficiency. Wheel rim size information by itself is worthless because weight is the most significant thing about wheel rims and because without specific information on a tyre's dimensions we can't know the circumference of the rotating wheel and tyre mass, which after all is the thing that matters (because the tyres rather than the wheel rims meet the road surface).
Even when we have relevant and complete measurements and data for vehicle efficiency comparisons the applicability of those measurements and data will still be limited - what we learn will primarily apply to vehicles of a certain type and weight with certain motor torque characteristics and having a certain reduction gear ratio.
The problem with these European concepts is just that. The Renault 5 EV has been teased for well over 2 years now, I'm already bored. Same with VW and their ID2, no suprise the Asian companies are proving successful amongst buyers, they actually go ahead and produce the damn things.
I'm in the market for my first EV, and the likes of MG, Hyundai and Kia actually have cars I can buy right now.
Prefer the R5 , that concept R4 looks heavy man and way too high bad for range
Where is this manufactured, China? If so, I'll pass. Oh, Made in France, I love it. Why can't we have an EV like the original Fiat Panda (or Panda 4x4)?
No Renault dealers or show rooms in the USA. Looks nice!!
This car will never be sold in the US, even the ID.3 isn't being sold and that is from a known brand in the US
Nanny country, lol
That has got to be one of the ugliest cars to be hyped by anyone.
But I want one…..
Everybody has different teast.
The Aztec takes that title
Hello Sam and all; at the three minute and 47 second mark (3:47) you state that “get the vehicle with smaller wheels, stay away from the larger wheels because it will do nothing for range“… That is an absolute falsehood that you are saying!… because the larger the diameter wheel the farther the vehicle will go on one revolution of the axle! When I built my 2011 Chevrolet Cruz ECO with range from 840 to 1280 MILES (not km) on a single charge, I purposely put on larger wheels to give it a better ride, a cool stance and it helps lower the RPMs of the motor (versus going higher RPM’s at a set speed with smaller diameter tires) while going further / farther! If you continue to spread “miss information“ like this I’m going to have to unsubscribe and stop watching because I’m gonna think you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about and you will lose credibility! Of course you’re not the apple in my eye because despite me coming on here many times and asking you to check out my “ultra long range electric vehicle” that I made in a one car garage with no lift and very little heat enduring the New England winters you have still ignored/avoided reaching out to me so that you or one of your representatives can come and look at the car! Why is that??!!
Edward Heath - Owner /Engineer / Machinist / Fabricator at “New Ideas and Innovations, LLC“ in Madison, CT USA
Too much content.
Horrible.... look like a very ugly version of electric Dacia Duster 💩💩💩
Very ugly. The R5 has a far better design.