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@@gabrielmarquez9905 you are definitely right. I love NPs. They make us PAs look fucking awesome for thier lack of training. This lady starring in the video is probably used to relying on her good looks to distract from her lack of knowledge or just some good looking communications student reading a script.
I've worked with both PAs and NPs and have seen great examples of both. I do think that if NPs want to really advance their education, they've got to get away from the online model. One of my Med School rotations was in a clinic with both another PA student and an NP student. The PA student was there every day and was eager to see patients. The NP showed up once per week for half a day and did the rest of the "rotation" online.
This is generally because those going to PA school, very often have no or very limited experience on the floor. The majority of NPs have been nurses for many years and have nursing clinicals and a plethora of experience already.
One thing to point out though: This isn't the case with every program, but can be found at a lot of for-profit schools. I totally agree that this needs to become a thing of the past though.
PANCE, not PANTS. Also, seemed kinda biased. Gave me the impression that PAs only practice in ER or surgery, compared to the big long list that NPs can potentially practice in...PAs practice in virtually any specialty or practice. From ER to Pathology, from Family Practice to Urology, etc.
To echo this point, PAs can change specialties or area of practice without additional schooling or certification. A Nurse who specializes in Peds can't treat adults without also obtaining additional training or certification. Where a PA isn't limited in their area of practice. Today I am in the ER, tomorrow an Ortho clinic and Friday working Behavioral Health.
Good to know....i got that impression also...the video had actually changed my mind (of PA school) when it listed hospital and surgery as the only places i could work. I was scrolling through comments to see if anyone would argue that point.
I am a PA and i prescribe under my own license. I even have my DEA to prescribe controlled subtances, under my own license. I am in Florida. Also it is called the PANCE. Maybe talk to a PA to get correct info before making a video like this.
Extremely biased in favor of NPs with a significant amount of inaccurate info regarding PAs. This video comes from a nursing website. Please keep that in mind when watching it and be sure to get info about PAs from actual PAs to ensure it is accurate.
So much ignorance in this video. It’s obviously biased. I’m only writing this comment for others to know to NOT utilize this video as a source of understanding or education. One key component they chose to leave out: PA’s can work in any field they desire at any point in their career without additional schooling. NP’s pick a path, and must stick with it, unless they choose more schooling.
It's obvious there was no input by a PA into your production as your description of PA practice and settings is woefully lacking. If you refer to the definitions of both professions you'll find that PAs are the only profession to practice medicine other than physicians as NPs practice "modified nursing". The idea that PAs don't focus on the 'whole patient' is ridiculous but you achieved your goal of elevating the profile of the NP profession in by down playing that of the Physician Assistant.
Peace be to you all! I'm a new subscriber! In my opinion, this is one of the BEST comparison between these two great professions that I have EVER seen! It was unbiased and accurate! I have been a Physician Assistant for 16 years, and have worked with OUTSTANDING NPs . I have so much respect for them and greatly admire the work that they do! I hope more incentives will be created for people to pusure either field (scholarships, loan pay-back programs). We desperately need both NPs and PAs in the primary care specialities in under-served areas. BTW, the salaries vary greatly depending on area and specialty. So it's all good! EmpowerRN is a great channel. Peace!
hey ive seen you around pretty frequently in this corner of TH-cam. thanks for you input always. but could you give more detail about the variations in salary between np and pa and within pa specialties?
I got my bachelor's in Pre-Physical Therapy with the intentions of going to grad school to become a DPT. One semester in and I hated it; financially screws students over. Now I'm looking at either starting over with nursing (which I think suits my personality better) to become a NP or to become a PA. I am so conflicted. PA is so much less school which is a HUGE deal to me. NP sounds more like me, but I can't really know that. Nursing model sounds more humane, but is it more effective? I feel like this vid and the article that linked me to it are slightly biased to NP, but I find myself leaning a bit more to PA.
I think the video is slightly biased toward NP. For one thing, I learned that there are PA run practices. Also, PA's can switch specialties without extra schooling. If you want another perspective, check out this video. It is done by an RN who decided to become a PA instead of an NP. Why PA? Why not NP? th-cam.com/video/tdktiOpgWno/w-d-xo.html
Why you did hate PT school?....I'm in Nursing school and kind of wish i went to PT school. When it comes to pain or non acute Neurological Problems...I don't even bother to go see an MD or PA....I go right to a DPT.
Dear Nursejournal - Please take a few minutes to fix the numerous mistakes that are misinforming people about the PA profession. PANTS? Come on.. Please read the comments. Did you guys even have your "facts" reviewed by a PA or even a PA student before publishing your video?
For those clearly not educated enough. NP students who take classes online, still have to participate in labs (IN PERSON) , participate in clinical (IN PERSON) not everything is done online, just because it’s an online program. I go to a university in person, and I know that ! 🙄
They do a lot of lobbying. I'm a Pre-PA student, and I believe that neither PA's nor NP/DNP's should be allowed to practice entirely independently. This is simply because they don't have the full picture as compared to MD/DO. MD/DO training is on a whole different level of knowledge, rigor, and experience. PA/NP's should do what their profession was intended for; to assist physicians. BTW PA's are able to diagnose in all states in addition to prescribe Schedule V-II medications (in most states). www.aapa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/f-833-4-8256527_dk6DMjRR_Prescribing_IB_2017_FINAL.pdf If you're looking for information, I would definitely look somewhere else since there's a lot of bias and misinformation in this video.
PAs are allowed to own thier own practice, and have MD work there, as well as themselves, here in texS anyways. Look up John Drobnicka, previous TAPA president.
@@lt9690 Oh awesome! Maybe here in CT, some have their own practice too. I think it makes more sense for PAs to be allowed to (maybe after working closely with a doctor for a few years) than an APRN who may not complete the same studies as doctors and PAs.
@@jpierce8148 there are some better, non biased videos around. But definitely you should go shadow more tha just one or two Nurse practitioners or PA in your area. The reason I say one or two because different people may have different interests or knowledge on the issues of independent practice. Make a list of questions to ask at an appropriate time. Shadowing is just time spent observing, non patient contact or interaction behind saying hi after the clinician introduces you. NP has less clinical hours than PA in school. Mostly because NP is relying heavily on thier time as a nurse for the clinical assessment and physical examination part of learning to care for patients. So they spend less clinical hours training than pa. Np spend 60-800 hours , PA get 2000-4000 hours of clinical exposure. Mostly because of standardization of training. Not every PA has to have a clinical based role that covered the basics of patient assessment prior to applying. Some of my classmates were medical professionals prior like Paramedics (me) or lab technicians, and a few of my classmates were other non clinical professions, like one was a realtor, another was a jewelry store clerk, another was a stay at home mom who did all her prerequisites and took off to college when her last kid took off to college. In many states, NP students do not have the same access to residency programs as PA. Example is , for my training as a PA, they just slipped me into rotations working shoulder to shoulder with the 3rd and 4th yr medical students. The NP students simply had to arrange alot of thier own situations to obtain experience. Like u need your surgery rotation? Well, i did meet Dr Smith once- maybe ill ask him. So the training can vary. It matters most what time you put into training and taking or making opportunities to get more time and exposure to watch, doing and eventually teaching a procedure while in school with your fellow students. Take all the call you can, btw. Gets you the chance to learn more procedures that come up.
You failed to answer one IMPORTANT question, since you did say an NP can basically work in his/her own office: Does insurance cover visiting an NP if that NP has its own office/practice? Also, a quick google search shows an NP salary @ $87,000 - $96.000 which is quite a bit of difference from the $104,000 starting salary you mention.
I was really hoping that the PA was going to be different between a Physician Assistant and a Nurse Practitioner. I see a difference in training but nothing to change my feeling that I would see a big difference and from what you said it may even be worse. As you are claiming NP's are more patient orientated. I had a horrible experience with a Nurse Practitioner in my Urology’s Doctors office. In my area most Doctors have a PA or NP in their office. I now refuse to be treated by any Nurse Practitioner. I now see that I have to add PA's to the list since there doesn't seem to be a difference. My NP more or less said this is what they have decided and I just need to do as they say. No options no discussion just do as you are told. It may have been their bedside manner that caused the problem (to give the best case scenario). It does lead me to just look else where and stick to what I have decided. I will no longer go to either. I may slow down getting health care but I dont need some one talking down and treating me like some none feeling human being that they need to get handled and move to the next patient. The experience was so bad that I no longer trust any medical people to be honest or give their best. I don’t know about others but it is a terrible feeling to go into an office and think that you may not be getting the best answer or all the options to your problem. I thank you for the information
Depends on what you are going for. If you want to have more of a nursing background and more autonomy, then NP is your goal. If more medicine-centered/following an MD/DO, then PA may be more your cup of tea. The pay is about the same.
Do u care more about treating an illness or treating a person? Here’s an example from my experience in hospitals. You’re obese, got diabetes and cellulitis. And you have weak extremities. PA: prescribes antibiotic, metformin, recommend weight loss, leaves and report to doctor. NP: prescribes antibiotic, metformin, ask about your plan of weight loss, ask who helps you at home and Call you a social worker if needed. Call PT to help you with walking.
@@MissGenie0607 "and report to doctor" lol...have you ever seen a PA actually practice medicine?! We don't report every little thing to our SP. We go to them if we want further guidance, that's about it. Which is something all APPs should have the ability to do and feel comfortable doing. None of us (PAs, NPs) went to 4 years of medical school or several years of residency. You should know what you know, know what you don't know, and know when to ask for help. Please don't give people advice if you don't actually know how a PA functions and you are just making assumptions. And whether or not an APP gives more life advice is dependent on the person. Some NPs will, some won't. Some PAs will, some won't. You are grossly generalizing, and we all know how dangerous that can be.
Physician Assistant National Certification Exam P.A.N.T.S. 🤦♂️ I felt the overall presentation was heavily biased toward the Nurse Practitioner career path. I agree that both are valuable professions, and therefore it’s unnecessary to skew the differences in this fashion. You do a disservice to anyone who is trying to determine which pathway is right for them.
This video is misleading and flawed. Very disappointing that no one to the time to do their research when created this inaccurate video of NPs vs PAs. Do better when educating the public.
Well given that most NP programs are doctorate degrees that is to be expected while PA is a masters degree. PA programs typically run from 24-36 months depending on the school and curriculum.
Eric ee PA degree is 4-6 years. NP you have to be a RN first (2-4, mostly 4 for BSN) for 2-3 years, then go to NP school (masters 2 years or doctorates 3 years) so yes it takes longer to be a NP
So most NPs work under physicians (collaborate), like PAs. Also, serious question... NPs weren't given independent authority primarily to work in urban specialities, so why are most NPs not working in under served areas?
Lack of pay and/or a lack of advertisement for the positions. No one wants to pack up the house and kids and dogs to move to cold & snowy Fargo ND for $80k yr if you're in Myrtle Beach making $120,000....unfortunately small communities can't always pay well.
This is a good video for sure! It explain the roles very well. The only thing she left out is the number of exams for the NP. As nurses we have to take the Nursing NCLEX exam at the undergraduate level and then the NP - Cert exam from either the AANP or the ANCC at the Masters level. Both licenses must be maintained in order to practice as an NP. Both licenses have a fee. In order to become an NP you MUST go to nursing school first, which is 4 years and then an additional 2 years of grad school and an additional 2 years for the DNP program.
There are actually some entry level NP programs where you can have a bachelor's in something else, or be an RN. These are usually 3yrs where you earn your BSN + MSNP
Plus, many top PA programs require you to have some sort of paid healthcare experience first. This could be as an EMT, Nurse, respiratory therapist, etc.
This is probably a better video than am used to seeing in the past. The 2 major differences between PAs and NPs are always left out the nursing perspective. PAs take a Physician Assistant National Certification Exam (PANCE not PANTS) upon graduating form a standardized accredited program. Then PAs recertify with the Physician Assistant National Recertification Exam (PANRE) every 10 years (used to be every 6 years). Furthermore, PAs exceed the education of medicine that NPs have and therefore are preferred in acute care settings such as Emergency Rooms, Operating Rooms, ICUs and inpatient medicine disciplines. I work with some of the best NPs I have ever known and I will say that when it comes to chronic and preventive care and treating the social components of medicine they are probably better than PAs due to their nursing experience.
Become a PA and learn MEDICINE. Become an ARNP and you are learning ADVANCED NURSING. If you want to learn how to practice MEDICINE instead of doing pointless online classes based in the NURSING MODEL.... then become a PA. It's as simple as that.
This is a really bad video. PA’s can go into every single field. They’re not tied to any single field . Very seldom do you see an NP in surgery. Also, she said “PANTS” instead of “PANCE” for the certifying exam. It’s obvious she doesn’t know anything about the PA profession. Seems like a lot of NP’s are getting their licenses online too, I don’t know how great an online degree would be? Salaries are very similar. Overall, this video is obviously bias towards NP’s.
This video provided some excellent information for those who are trying to decide which direction they wish to go in their career. My only complaint...could you not have made your 'spokes-person' wear something a little more professional? She looks like she is on her way to a nightclub rather than discussing career paths.
Having a nurse perform this assessment alone leads to an OBVIOUS nursing bias here, despite PAs being equally as capable. Also, the medical model prodices better clinicians, which is why there is research that supports NPs - specifically in the ED - leading to higher unnecessary hospital admissions, higher return visits to the ED post-treatment, and more frequent consultations with physicians. As an individual pursing my NP, this video is not accurate and is highly biased towards painting the NP to be the superior clinician, when their scope of function is equal. Arguing a few states allowing NPs to function more independently is not a flex. The fact you eliminated the Doctor of Medical Science degree PAs can pursue, while listing the DNP proves further bias. Be honest and unbiased here. This is a terrible representation of NPs vs PAs.
There is such a thing as Anesthesiologist Assistant. explorehealthcareers.org/career/allied-health-professions/anesthesiologist-assistant/ Also, a PA cannot be an NP? Tell that to this person. Hass, Virginia DNP, FNP-C, PA-C journals.lww.com/jaapa/Fulltext/2016/04000/Physician_assistants_and_nurse_practitioners_are.1.aspx#P12
Why would a PA want to be an NP? You can also become an Anesthesiology Assistant if that is your career choice. NP is an inferior degree that has had lobby power to force its acceptance in the medical community.
CitizenofDystopia I would not say it is inferior, but it is different. Depends if you prefer the medical model of training or the nursing model of training.
A nurse anesthesist is a crna, to my understanding that is not the same thing as a np because there is 2 different types of schools for that. Yes a PA can't practice in anesthesia for now but one can acquire an anesthesia assistant degree and practice as both a pa and anesthesia assistant but one has to acquire BOTH licensures.
@@richardbautista503 maybe you need to clarify your statement. You mean that a graduate PA doesn't have the knowledge a nurse has when they start NP school? Not that I have to justify anything to you, but as a PA, I precept FNP and acute care NP students, and PA students. There are good and bad students but new entry np students act just as dumb as any PA student. Not all, but many pa students have prior clinical background. The NP students have ridiculous short amounts of clinical hour requirements compared to PA students. So I've chosen to be part of the solution by precepting these FNP/NP students . I believe I can't complain about a problem without willingness to be part of the solution and share my knowledge. Have you completed either NP or PA as of yet?
Lol, I don't think there's a hierarchy with this one. If anything, NP>PA since they can prescribe meds and have more autonomy in certain states, whereas PAs require MD/DO approval first.
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I stopped trusting her when she said pants instead of pance
I love NPs, they make us PAs look awesome
me too !
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"PAs and NPs make different salaries"
Proceeds to say there is literally 2-3k difference between the two.
Numbers must be hard for Jinny....lol. I love NPs. The make us PAs look awesome.
In my area, PA’s make way more than NP’s! LOLP
PANCE* Not PANTS. From a PA student :)
Hi Jinny! I wish you the very best of success in your PA endeavors! Crush those PANCE! You can do it!
LOL I was hoping someone would say something 🤣
She's had a year to fix it, not a care in the world.
@@lt9690 this video is completely biased and there's a lot of misinformation
@@gabrielmarquez9905 you are definitely right. I love NPs. They make us PAs look fucking awesome for thier lack of training. This lady starring in the video is probably used to relying on her good looks to distract from her lack of knowledge or just some good looking communications student reading a script.
I've worked with both PAs and NPs and have seen great examples of both. I do think that if NPs want to really advance their education, they've got to get away from the online model. One of my Med School rotations was in a clinic with both another PA student and an NP student. The PA student was there every day and was eager to see patients. The NP showed up once per week for half a day and did the rest of the "rotation" online.
agree. If planning to go NP don't go to a for-profit school. Go to a reputable school and not online.
This is generally because those going to PA school, very often have no or very limited experience on the floor. The majority of NPs have been nurses for many years and have nursing clinicals and a plethora of experience already.
One thing to point out though: This isn't the case with every program, but can be found at a lot of for-profit schools. I totally agree that this needs to become a thing of the past though.
@@eugenemartiny6615 what she said
Agreed
PANCE, not PANTS. Also, seemed kinda biased. Gave me the impression that PAs only practice in ER or surgery, compared to the big long list that NPs can potentially practice in...PAs practice in virtually any specialty or practice. From ER to Pathology, from Family Practice to Urology, etc.
To echo this point, PAs can change specialties or area of practice without additional schooling or certification. A Nurse who specializes in Peds can't treat adults without also obtaining additional training or certification. Where a PA isn't limited in their area of practice. Today I am in the ER, tomorrow an Ortho clinic and Friday working Behavioral Health.
I mean, just look at the pic for the video. "NP"is noticeably larger than "PA". Accident? I think not, lol
Good to know....i got that impression also...the video had actually changed my mind (of PA school) when it listed hospital and surgery as the only places i could work. I was scrolling through comments to see if anyone would argue that point.
Very true . Video is def biased .
I am a PA and i prescribe under my own license. I even have my DEA to prescribe controlled subtances, under my own license. I am in Florida. Also it is called the PANCE. Maybe talk to a PA to get correct info before making a video like this.
As a PA of 35 years, I disagree with this comparison and there should have been PA involvement
Extremely biased in favor of NPs with a significant amount of inaccurate info regarding PAs. This video comes from a nursing website. Please keep that in mind when watching it and be sure to get info about PAs from actual PAs to ensure it is accurate.
How so?
So much ignorance in this video. It’s obviously biased. I’m only writing this comment for others to know to NOT utilize this video as a source of understanding or education. One key component they chose to leave out: PA’s can work in any field they desire at any point in their career without additional schooling. NP’s pick a path, and must stick with it, unless they choose more schooling.
Kathryn Kosich couldn’t agree more
Except FNP. They are closer to the PA in lateral mobility
L T how close? 🤔
If you’re watching this to compare NP vs PA, please find another video. This video has false information.
@Almumin that’s a jump! 😂
It's obvious there was no input by a PA into your production as your description of PA practice and settings is woefully lacking. If you refer to the definitions of both professions you'll find that PAs are the only profession to practice medicine other than physicians as NPs practice "modified nursing". The idea that PAs don't focus on the 'whole patient' is ridiculous but you achieved your goal of elevating the profile of the NP profession in by down playing that of the Physician Assistant.
Peace be to you all! I'm a new subscriber! In my opinion, this is one of the BEST comparison between these two great professions that I have EVER seen! It was unbiased and accurate! I have been a Physician Assistant for 16 years, and have worked with OUTSTANDING NPs . I have so much respect for them and greatly admire the work that they do! I hope more incentives will be created for people to pusure either field (scholarships, loan pay-back programs). We desperately need both NPs and PAs in the primary care specialities in under-served areas. BTW, the salaries vary greatly depending on area and specialty. So it's all good! EmpowerRN is a great channel. Peace!
Thank you so much for this comment. It's wonderful to hear your views!
sir which course is best np or pa please reaply me sir
Omar Abdul-Malik DHEd, MPAS, PA-C Hi, do you have a channel?
hey ive seen you around pretty frequently in this corner of TH-cam. thanks for you input always. but could you give more detail about the variations in salary between np and pa and within pa specialties?
definitely not unbiased lol, much information is omitted
I got my bachelor's in Pre-Physical Therapy with the intentions of going to grad school to become a DPT. One semester in and I hated it; financially screws students over. Now I'm looking at either starting over with nursing (which I think suits my personality better) to become a NP or to become a PA. I am so conflicted. PA is so much less school which is a HUGE deal to me. NP sounds more like me, but I can't really know that. Nursing model sounds more humane, but is it more effective? I feel like this vid and the article that linked me to it are slightly biased to NP, but I find myself leaning a bit more to PA.
mrArchduke literally me at this point
I think the video is slightly biased toward NP. For one thing, I learned that there are PA run practices. Also, PA's can switch specialties without extra schooling. If you want another perspective, check out this video. It is done by an RN who decided to become a PA instead of an NP.
Why PA? Why not NP?
th-cam.com/video/tdktiOpgWno/w-d-xo.html
Why you did hate PT school?....I'm in Nursing school and kind of wish i went to PT school. When it comes to pain or non acute Neurological Problems...I don't even bother to go see an MD or PA....I go right to a DPT.
shadow PA’s to see if that’s what you want to do
Many of us appreciate your profession, if you have passion for this career should go for! never too late because we ALL need you. Thank you!
So sweet of you to say that Nancy!
Thank you for your comment.
See you soon!
A PA does not prescribe under a physician license. In many states PAs and NPs require the same collaborating physician agreement.
Dear Nursejournal -
Please take a few minutes to fix the numerous mistakes that are misinforming people about the PA profession. PANTS? Come on.. Please read the comments. Did you guys even have your "facts" reviewed by a PA or even a PA student before publishing your video?
For those clearly not educated enough. NP students who take classes online, still have to participate in labs (IN PERSON) , participate in clinical (IN PERSON) not everything is done online, just because it’s an online program. I go to a university in person, and I know that ! 🙄
Why are APRN's allowed to diagnose and run their own practice, but a PA can't? Does the APRN go through more schooling and clinical hours than a PA?
They do a lot of lobbying. I'm a Pre-PA student, and I believe that neither PA's nor NP/DNP's should be allowed to practice entirely independently. This is simply because they don't have the full picture as compared to MD/DO. MD/DO training is on a whole different level of knowledge, rigor, and experience. PA/NP's should do what their profession was intended for; to assist physicians. BTW PA's are able to diagnose in all states in addition to prescribe Schedule V-II medications (in most states).
www.aapa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/f-833-4-8256527_dk6DMjRR_Prescribing_IB_2017_FINAL.pdf
If you're looking for information, I would definitely look somewhere else since there's a lot of bias and misinformation in this video.
PAs are allowed to own thier own practice, and have MD work there, as well as themselves, here in texS anyways. Look up John Drobnicka, previous TAPA president.
@@gabrielmarquez9905 exactly 💯 correct
@@lt9690 Oh awesome! Maybe here in CT, some have their own practice too. I think it makes more sense for PAs to be allowed to (maybe after working closely with a doctor for a few years) than an APRN who may not complete the same studies as doctors and PAs.
@@jpierce8148 there are some better, non biased videos around.
But definitely you should go shadow more tha just one or two Nurse practitioners or PA in your area. The reason I say one or two because different people may have different interests or knowledge on the issues of independent practice. Make a list of questions to ask at an appropriate time. Shadowing is just time spent observing, non patient contact or interaction behind saying hi after the clinician introduces you.
NP has less clinical hours than PA in school. Mostly because NP is relying heavily on thier time as a nurse for the clinical assessment and physical examination part of learning to care for patients. So they spend less clinical hours training than pa. Np spend 60-800 hours , PA get 2000-4000 hours of clinical exposure. Mostly because of standardization of training. Not every PA has to have a clinical based role that covered the basics of patient assessment prior to applying. Some of my classmates were medical professionals prior like Paramedics (me) or lab technicians, and a few of my classmates were other non clinical professions, like one was a realtor, another was a jewelry store clerk, another was a stay at home mom who did all her prerequisites and took off to college when her last kid took off to college.
In many states, NP students do not have the same access to residency programs as PA. Example is , for my training as a PA, they just slipped me into rotations working shoulder to shoulder with the 3rd and 4th yr medical students. The NP students simply had to arrange alot of thier own situations to obtain experience. Like u need your surgery rotation? Well, i did meet Dr Smith once- maybe ill ask him. So the training can vary. It matters most what time you put into training and taking or making opportunities to get more time and exposure to watch, doing and eventually teaching a procedure while in school with your fellow students. Take all the call you can, btw. Gets you the chance to learn more procedures that come up.
Finally, a TH-cam channel with clear audio and not recorded on a potato like other channels.
what part of youtube do you come from my dude?
lol the dress and shoes
Seems like she got lost on the way to the price is right set.
You failed to answer one IMPORTANT question, since you did say an NP can basically work in his/her own office: Does insurance cover visiting an NP if that NP has its own office/practice? Also, a quick google search shows an NP salary @ $87,000 - $96.000 which is quite a bit of difference from the $104,000 starting salary you mention.
Yes insurance covers a visit with a NP. However it won't pay out the same amount it will to a physician for the same type visit.
Great video !!! Excelent amount of info. Thank you so much :)
This is absolutely inaccurate of what a PA does. Based on the channel, I wouldn’t say it biased at all, huh??
This contains a lot of inaccuracies about PA training and practice. It is very misleading and simply untrue
I was really hoping that the PA was going to be different between a Physician Assistant and a Nurse Practitioner. I see a difference in training but nothing to change my feeling that I would see a big difference and from what you said it may even be worse. As you are claiming NP's are more patient orientated.
I had a horrible experience with a Nurse Practitioner in my Urology’s Doctors office. In my area most Doctors have a PA or NP in their office. I now refuse to be treated by any Nurse Practitioner. I now see that I have to add PA's to the list since there doesn't seem to be a difference.
My NP more or less said this is what they have decided and I just need to do as they say. No options no discussion just do as you are told. It may have been their bedside manner that caused the problem (to give the best case scenario). It does lead me to just look else where and stick to what I have decided. I will no longer go to either. I may slow down getting health care but I dont need some one talking down and treating me like some none feeling human being that they need to get handled and move to the next patient. The experience was so bad that I no longer trust any medical people to be honest or give their best. I don’t know about others but it is a terrible feeling to go into an office and think that you may not be getting the best answer or all the options to your problem.
I thank you for the information
which is the best np or pa
Depends on what you are going for. If you want to have more of a nursing background and more autonomy, then NP is your goal. If more medicine-centered/following an MD/DO, then PA may be more your cup of tea. The pay is about the same.
Do u care more about treating an illness or treating a person? Here’s an example from my experience in hospitals.
You’re obese, got diabetes and cellulitis. And you have weak extremities.
PA: prescribes antibiotic, metformin, recommend weight loss, leaves and report to doctor.
NP: prescribes antibiotic, metformin, ask about your plan of weight loss, ask who helps you at home and Call you a social worker if needed. Call PT to help you with walking.
@@MissGenie0607 "and report to doctor" lol...have you ever seen a PA actually practice medicine?! We don't report every little thing to our SP. We go to them if we want further guidance, that's about it. Which is something all APPs should have the ability to do and feel comfortable doing. None of us (PAs, NPs) went to 4 years of medical school or several years of residency. You should know what you know, know what you don't know, and know when to ask for help. Please don't give people advice if you don't actually know how a PA functions and you are just making assumptions. And whether or not an APP gives more life advice is dependent on the person. Some NPs will, some won't. Some PAs will, some won't. You are grossly generalizing, and we all know how dangerous that can be.
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I felt the overall presentation was heavily biased toward the Nurse Practitioner career path. I agree that both are valuable professions, and therefore it’s unnecessary to skew the differences in this fashion. You do a disservice to anyone who is trying to determine which pathway is right for them.
I’m going to be a NP
Messiah ThomaZ amen me too
Such a helpful video! Thank you for making it, cleared up so many questions that I had!
Really happy to hear that! Thank you for letting us know!
Inspired Life, please seek additional information. This video is misleading on many points.
This video is misleading and flawed. Very disappointing that no one to the time to do their research when created this inaccurate video of NPs vs PAs. Do better when educating the public.
What is the difference in like the daily life at the job?
Tremendous inaccuracies on the part of this group. You sold the PA profession short.
Devin Timothy What's better? I'm thinking of both but idk what to pick
Eric ee it really depends on what is important to you as a clinician. They both are great career paths they just have different ways of getting there
I read that an NP takes longer
Well given that most NP programs are doctorate degrees that is to be expected while PA is a masters degree. PA programs typically run from 24-36 months depending on the school and curriculum.
Eric ee
PA degree is 4-6 years. NP you have to be a RN first (2-4, mostly 4 for BSN) for 2-3 years, then go to NP school (masters 2 years or doctorates 3 years) so yes it takes longer to be a NP
So most NPs work under physicians (collaborate), like PAs. Also, serious question... NPs weren't given independent authority primarily to work in urban specialities, so why are most NPs not working in under served areas?
Further... spell check. You should get licensing exams right.
Lack of pay and/or a lack of advertisement for the positions. No one wants to pack up the house and kids and dogs to move to cold & snowy Fargo ND for $80k yr if you're in Myrtle Beach making $120,000....unfortunately small communities can't always pay well.
This is a good video for sure! It explain the roles very well. The only thing she left out is the number of exams for the NP. As nurses we have to take the Nursing NCLEX exam at the undergraduate level and then the NP - Cert exam from either the AANP or the ANCC at the Masters level. Both licenses must be maintained in order to practice as an NP. Both licenses have a fee. In order to become an NP you MUST go to nursing school first, which is 4 years and then an additional 2 years of grad school and an additional 2 years for the DNP program.
There are actually some entry level NP programs where you can have a bachelor's in something else, or be an RN. These are usually 3yrs where you earn your BSN + MSNP
Plus, many top PA programs require you to have some sort of paid healthcare experience first. This could be as an EMT, Nurse, respiratory therapist, etc.
Extremely misleading. It's unfortunate this person feels the need to falsely state facts.
Fascinating. Concise, super well done. Thank you.
University of Arizona NP program grad here. 2012
This is probably a better video than am used to seeing in the past. The 2 major differences between PAs and NPs are always left out the nursing perspective. PAs take a Physician Assistant National Certification Exam (PANCE not PANTS) upon graduating form a standardized accredited program. Then PAs recertify with the Physician Assistant National Recertification Exam (PANRE) every 10 years (used to be every 6 years). Furthermore, PAs exceed the education of medicine that NPs have and therefore are preferred in acute care settings such as Emergency Rooms, Operating Rooms, ICUs and inpatient medicine disciplines. I work with some of the best NPs I have ever known and I will say that when it comes to chronic and preventive care and treating the social components of medicine they are probably better than PAs due to their nursing experience.
Become a PA and learn MEDICINE. Become an ARNP and you are learning ADVANCED NURSING. If you want to learn how to practice MEDICINE instead of doing pointless online classes based in the NURSING MODEL.... then become a PA. It's as simple as that.
Hello! Thank you very much for your sharing!! Have wonderful days!!!
(If you marry or divorce the surgeon you PA under Your income will be similar to having gone for the masters or doctorate lol
God bless
This video is off.. very biased! . the PA side is mostly all incorrect . Get your facts straight lol.. PAs CAN independently practice.
thank you - this is the only video ive seen that actually answers all the questions succinctly
I thought NPs had a better salary than PAs
Excellent video.! Thanks
Some people need to understand she can't cover every aspect of these two topics in a 12min video. Chill out!!
Stop reporting false info about a profession that isn't your own. You clearly did no research. Take this down.
There is so much misinformation in this video and it is clearly designed to promote the NP model. Propaganda. Get your facts straight.
This is a really bad video. PA’s can go into every single field. They’re not tied to any single field .
Very seldom do you see an NP in surgery.
Also, she said “PANTS” instead of “PANCE” for the certifying exam. It’s obvious she doesn’t know anything about the PA profession.
Seems like a lot of NP’s are getting their licenses online too, I don’t know how great an online degree would be?
Salaries are very similar.
Overall, this video is obviously bias towards NP’s.
This is a highly biased video, perhaps you should have completely better research on PAs and maybe even spoke to a few!
This is not entirely accurate about PAs
Did she just say and list PANTS instead of PANCE?!
This video provided some excellent information for those who are trying to decide which direction they wish to go in their career. My only complaint...could you not have made your 'spokes-person' wear something a little more professional? She looks like she is on her way to a nightclub rather than discussing career paths.
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Really, Ryan? Is that why you're here, on this kind of video?
Your Salary compensation is WRONG!!!
Incorrect information
Since you have no idea what PAs are please remove this video now!!!!! Online NP programs! Limited clinical hours! Tell the truth!!!!
Having a nurse perform this assessment alone leads to an OBVIOUS nursing bias here, despite PAs being equally as capable. Also, the medical model prodices better clinicians, which is why there is research that supports NPs - specifically in the ED - leading to higher unnecessary hospital admissions, higher return visits to the ED post-treatment, and more frequent consultations with physicians.
As an individual pursing my NP, this video is not accurate and is highly biased towards painting the NP to be the superior clinician, when their scope of function is equal. Arguing a few states allowing NPs to function more independently is not a flex. The fact you eliminated the Doctor of Medical Science degree PAs can pursue, while listing the DNP proves further bias.
Be honest and unbiased here. This is a terrible representation of NPs vs PAs.
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Information not correct, Biased video
PANTS?!?!?! Really? Lol.
#embarrasing
Biased
What is going on here. She like be a robot
Please fact check before you spread garbage. I work with several NPs who disagree with what your are reporting here.
Don't do either. The market is getting saturated.
This is completely misleading and biased.
PANCE... not PANTS but nice try!
Everyone wants to see real qualified doctors - not something that is only second best - if that! What a totally useless "profession"!!!
Exactly. The real problem is there are good and bad np and pas , and MD.
And what medical specialty do you practice as a physician?
PA cannot be a Nurse Practitioner or Nurse Anesthesis. So NP is MUCH MUCH better!!!
There is such a thing as Anesthesiologist Assistant.
explorehealthcareers.org/career/allied-health-professions/anesthesiologist-assistant/
Also, a PA cannot be an NP? Tell that to this person.
Hass, Virginia DNP, FNP-C, PA-C
journals.lww.com/jaapa/Fulltext/2016/04000/Physician_assistants_and_nurse_practitioners_are.1.aspx#P12
Why would a PA want to be an NP? You can also become an Anesthesiology Assistant if that is your career choice. NP is an inferior degree that has had lobby power to force its acceptance in the medical community.
CitizenofDystopia I would not say it is inferior, but it is different. Depends if you prefer the medical model of training or the nursing model of training.
Pa can switch specialty easily. NP has to get licensed and specialized in a specific field.
A nurse anesthesist is a crna, to my understanding that is not the same thing as a np because there is 2 different types of schools for that. Yes a PA can't practice in anesthesia for now but one can acquire an anesthesia assistant degree and practice as both a pa and anesthesia assistant but one has to acquire BOTH licensures.
okay let's face it .. from this video, NPs are a much better career path than PAs
Most NP schools don't
have actual cadaver lab experience, poorer training. Less procedural knowledge.
L T PAs do not have the clinical knowledge that nurses do once they start grad school
@@richardbautista503 maybe you need to clarify your statement. You mean that a graduate PA doesn't have the knowledge a nurse has when they start NP school? Not that I have to justify anything to you, but as a PA, I precept FNP and acute care NP students, and PA students. There are good and bad students but new entry np students act just as dumb as any PA student. Not all, but many pa students have prior clinical background.
The NP students have ridiculous short amounts of clinical hour requirements compared to PA students. So I've chosen to be part of the solution by precepting these FNP/NP students . I believe I can't complain about a problem without willingness to be part of the solution and share my knowledge.
Have you completed either NP or PA as of yet?
Your self description of being a "21 century millennial dreamer "sounds spot on .
Overall, I love most nurse practitioners. They make us physician assistants look freaking awesome in comparison.
This is false!
Many falsehoods here.
MD/DO > PA > NP.
JustTooLit why is PA better than NP
JustTooLit so silly.
Lol, I don't think there's a hierarchy with this one. If anything, NP>PA since they can prescribe meds and have more autonomy in certain states, whereas PAs require MD/DO approval first.
ShogunG more education in the medical sciences.
@@tammiemichelle6880 who says PA's can't prescribe? www.aapa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/f-833-4-8256527_dk6DMjRR_Prescribing_IB_2017_FINAL.pdf
rn can cover np jobs.
very funny vid. yah... go for np!! for me.