Was Kaguya Really SCARED Of Momoshiki Otsutsuki & Kinshiki Otsutsuki?
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- When Naruto and Sasuke were give six paths chakra from the sage of six paths and Kaguya was resurrected in Naruto Shippuden, it quickly became clear that Kaguya was a powerful force well beyond anything that Naruto and Sasuke had ever faced prior to this. However, as the battle waged on and Kaguya's revelation of needing an army to protect her was made known, it prompted a question of who would be strong enough to make someone as powerful as Kaguya fear their existence. Ever since the Boruto movie debuted, giving us Momoshiki and Kinshiki, it led to fans asking was Kaguya afraid of Momoshiki and Kinshiki, beings who fans viewed to be weak due to how well the Boruto era kages did against the Otsutsuki duo. With Boruto Naruto Next Generations giving us the revelation that Kaguya left Isshiki half dead when she betrayed him, this further made fans question if Kaguya was actually THAT afraid of the Otsutsuki duo. However, is there really anything in the lore that can tell us definitively that Amado's statement of Kaguya being lower ranked Otsutsuki clan fodder actually holds any weight or is there too much evidence to support that Kaguya was just THAT strong and that everything was based off of Kaguya before Kaguya ate the chakra fruit? Grab those ramen bowls as we take a deep dive into what many view as being a cut and dry discussion, but an equal number of fans dispute saying it isn't as obvious! Today, we're going to discuss was Kaguya afraid of Momoshiki and was Kaguya stronger than Momoshiki!
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Momoshiki: They saved me trouble of having to punish Kaguya myself......
coldest lines ever
The Otsutsuki clan has to be wondering what's going on with Earth and why the 5 members they sent there haven't come back.
there are 2 more comeing
@@produck2338 says who?
☠️☠️ for real
@@produck2338 who?
@@brrrr7268 boruto manga
My mans just ended the fused momoshiki vs kaguya debate
Not really. Most of the arguments are based on anime canon material that is highly inconsistent. The same anime in which an Otsutsuki (Urashiki) was beat by genins. The manga itself only consists of Sasuke's hypothesis. Kaguya arrived as a "lower rank", Isshiki being the superior. Her true power up happened within earth itself when she gained tremendous power after consuming the chakra fruit. The Kaguya that Momoshiki talked down to was a Kaguya pre-fruit (though he also called naruto, sasuke and the kage his inferiors then got beat up). Her being cautious is understandable as 1. she has no idea if momoshiki/kinshiki had gotten a similar power up to hers (they didnt) and 2. she had committed treason within the Ootsutsuki clan which would eventually lead to her being haunted down.
@@daikij74522 base momoshiki has better feats in the novels you don't need these statments only he easily destroyed stars and has a solar system feat while kaguya is at max star lvl he also showcased more abilities plus he used manga novels and anime lmao
@@daikij74522 actually that's false momoshiki and Kinshiki gotten stronger during the boruto novels so in the boruto era they absorbed chakra from different planets and would also absorbed chakra from the stars amado even implied what ishikki did the same thing otsutsukis are celestial beings hunting for power with little effort to become the ultimate life form and having unrivaled strength
Would be interesting that instead of her loosing it and trying to reclaim her chakara for an army, she instead actually trained Hamura and Hagoromo. Just speed up the time frame for Momoshiki and Kenshiki's arrival for a few centuries or however long that was...Maybe they could do it? Depends on how effective a trainer Kaguya would be,
Fax
ye but i guess Naruto will not be the same xD.
If black zetsu can catch madara off-guard in his 10tails Jinchurikis form....if Naruto can catch kaguya off-guard with his reverse harem jutsu...then definately kaguya can catch ishiki off-guard with may b an original harem jutsu...😜
Facts
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Fax bro
Kid Choji can as well
And we know she definitely aimt have the chakra fruit so not only did he almost die from a weak kaguyaaa 😂 ya think kaguya is weaker in raw power she decimates and didnt even die just got sealed
Tried a more straight forward title today, less exaggerated. Not sure how you guys will respond to it, but I'm doing more experiments with title and thumbnails moving forward. I know the titles the last few months have been more exaggerated and less direct.
This is why I'm subscribed, for videos exactly like this! Just more details that define the Naruto/Boruto storyline.
I've been doing novel videos and fan theories for a minute, I'm slowly gonna start adding more evergreen content like this back on the channel, straight lore discussions or explanations like i did with ninjutsu and clans.
@@NarutoExplained I can't wait for that let's goooooo
U should become a Patreon member then. As I am
Right off the bat, best thumbnail ever made, absolutely brilliant 👏 👌 🤣🤣
i'll take that feedback. we're trying new thumbnail styles over here
it should be interesting to see what the future of the otsutsuki will be considering boruto and momoshiki essentially merged into a singular otsutsuki while kawaki is now a brand new otsutsuki wielding their power. then we got amado who can essentially create life that can rival the power of the otsutsuki. this is definitely a fascinating time for the otsutsuki in the series
Crazy till this day there’s a part of the community that believes no one surpassed kaguya in strength and eos shippuden was the height. I don’t blame them cause we’re not seeing the type of destruction nor abilities like the end but statements say otherwise as you’re showing with this video. But I guess they toned down the feats through controlling their output instead like DBS sometimes. And the editing is in rare form! Amazing vid
they actually stated they scaled down ishiki vs naruto baryon mode for that reason
People arent aware Kishimoto said it when Boruto's manga came out that the problem the story ran into was that Naruto and Sasuke had gotten so powerful that the scale of the fights needed to be toned down, but couldn't be lacking because they needed to integrate the new generation. It was a conscious decision to tone down the fights via the method you mentioned, controlling destructive output, as was the choice to power cliff the supporting characters, which is why you see people like Chocho doing stuff her dad couldn't do until the war arc...but we got people saying chocho is weaker than her dad when her dad was 13...it's because the fights are scaled down.
Baryon mode looks under powered because the destruction it doesn’t give off. But in reality baryon mode>>>>>six paths
I mean yeah if you go by vague statements then Kaguya has been surpassed. Based on feats she hasn't.
@@NarutoExplained kishimito stating that is understandable as the current ninja are simply too weak compared to naruto and sasuke. it doesn't say a lot about kaguya's strength. feats show otherwise. naruto and sasuke were scaled down from the getgo when they had their six paths powers removed after they sealed kaguya.
This was an amazing video and u really used statements and went into detail really well and I think Kaguya was scared of them because she just had kids and wasn't doing her job and basically betrayed the ototsuki but I think she feared them a little too much
Alot of his statements are quotes taken out of context and formed into 'maybes'. He mentions differences between Anime and Manga but doesnt show proof of the differences for example @9:32 he says "Sasuke state that Kaguya scroll that a 'pair' of pursuers will be coming to the land" yet his literal image evidence doesnt even mention the word 'pair'? He argues it was different in the manga but doesn't provide any evidence of it?
I would say that Kaguya wasn’t actually afraid fighting Momoshiki and Kinshiki. She just didn’t want to bother herself with fighting such a fodders. So she created a whole army of the White Zetsu fodders to fight some Ōtsutsuki fodders instead of her.
@@rodarollada if kaguya fought with only momo then kaguya would win but because momo came with kinshiki so she need other so that they would fight with momo and kaguya would fight with momo
I actually think the reason momoshiki and kinshiki were defeated was because they looked down upon the kage. They didn't think they were a threat for them. They saw themselfs as gods. Later when they noticed the kage were able to put up a fight, it was too late for them.
I mean they were overpowered dem what else can momoshikki and kinshikki do?
They were both threatened hence the fusion.. Kinshiki being stated to be capable of "splitting worlds" yet not being capable of splitting Chojuro's sword is kinda funny tbh mf probably died a virgin cuz he couldnt split his wife's legs
@@daikij74522 the manga just want them to sound and look kl or suhmm, I don't understand even if it was for a moment, how does the villans in boruto at some point who are stronger than naruto's villans gets toyed with. I've never see this happen in naruto series ever😂🤣😭🤔
@@jaydeg4481 15 years of training from sasuke and naruto made them cracked
@@gamerepic9907 Thank u bro. sometimes it seems like people don't have the common sense to understand that naruto and sasuke are adults and that boruto is basically a timeskip in which they grew stronger lol. Take adult naruto and sasuke to the past and they are bodying Kaguya.
I honestly hope Kaguya will appear in boruto, highly doubtful, but with the knowledge of momoshiki and ishiikis death perhaps she would be more amendable to explain to Naruto and Sasuke what the otosutsuki plans are from her perspective. Even though she was in Naruto for a extremely short period, I really enjoyed her character. Especially after reading her back story.
Yep, we need Kaguya.
Kaguya showed up in boruto when her like 3d hologram thing popped up in the arena
She is most definitely gonna return and might start going on a rampage when she ends up seeing Boruto and sensing Momoshiki inside of him 👀
Kaguya is the worst villian in all of naruto and only an excuse to kill off madara.
@@justarandomguy1916 how is she the worst
This is why you plan an story backwards. That way, you know where you want to end, then you can pace the story accordingly. Honestly, Kaguya's mere presence feels more intimidating that anything Momoshiki did, but that's just to me.
Props on the new editing style 👌
hired new editor for staff, so expect more of the drip like this to continue
@@NarutoExplained 🔥🔥👌
Glad you drop this bro great video
Thanks for the visit
I think she knew isshiki escaped and was preparing a army for whatever isshiki brought back. It’s hard to be like she caught him off guard and he escaped. I think she knew he would come back or the clan would send someone as punishment for attacking her own. It just crazy how long they waited to retaliate but who knows it could of been as the head clan person sees
I think the question is how much stronger would kauga be with the white zetsu army? This “pre evolved” kagua believed if she got the army she could fend off the otsuki (she could have planned on using the infinite tsuykounmi over and over again for 1000 years) but she probably had crazy jutsu using the army like obito wasn’t using them to their best potential
There is some questions that needs to be answered.
Why was Kaguya was scared of momoshiki?
Was because of his reputation in the clan?
Was it because he was higher ranking than her?
Did she ever saw his true power?
Why did Kaguya make an army of white Zetsu?
White zetsu aren’t even strong, random jonin can take on 100s of them and they had hashirama’s cells.
In ninja storm Sasuke said that fused Momoshiki looks weaker than Kaguya (during the battle).
Why was Base momoshiki running away from Darui?
Why did momoshiki needed monkey rock to fight of 50% power kurama avatar ?when Kaguya used her strength to erase Perfect susanoo.
Isn’t he supposed to be stronger than Kaguya?
There many more things that is unclear and that’s what makes be believe that Momoshiki and kinshiki are characters with statements and no feats. And kaguya> base momo > kinshiki
Omg cause kaguya was preparing for the entire Otsutsuki clan. 1 zetsu kaguya created one shotted tentails madara. We dont know how strong her army would become
@@tensimkazem1812 black zetsu won shotted madara due to plot.
I have answers for you! Kaguya wasn’t actually afraid fighting Momoshiki and Kinshiki. She just didn’t want to bother herself with fighting such a fodders. So she created a whole army of the White Zetsu fodders to fight some Ōtsutsuki fodders instead of her.
@@rodarollada No kaguya was afraid because there would be many otsutusaki whom Will come to earth togather. We saw that momo brought kinshiki ann urashiki. Kaguya wont be able to handle all three of them at once thats why she was building an army Whom will distract other otsutusaki when she battle with momo.
Do you think Kaguya was scared of Momoshiki and Kinshiki or do you think that has been retconned?
Kaguya never feared anyone. She was actually confident in her strength that she could take on Momoshiki as well as the rest of the Otsutsuki members with just her strength alone and some fodder white Zetsu clones. Til this day, Kaguya is still the most difficult Otsutsuki member they've had to deal with in the Naruto/Boruto
franchise.
It literally took the assistance of FOUR Six Paths users(Hagoromo, Prime Naruto, Prime Sasuke, Prime DMS Obito) and double kamui(most hax ability in the entire Naruto/Boruto franchise) just to SEAL Kaguya who was holding back majority of the fight because she wanted to capture them alive to absorb their Six Paths chakra.
Notice how Momoshiki and Kinshiki stayed away from earth until they heard from Sasuke that Kaguya was no longer around. They didn't want that smoke with Kaguya especially after they heard what she did to Isshiki 😂
I don’t think she was scared of them to begin with ever. Ishiki, on the other hand, is definitely possible. She knew he would be coming back one day, so that’s why she wanted the army.
Well I have a better question why was she scared of them ?
Couldnt she be referring to them specifically because she knows they’re her direct superiors? After consuming the chakra fruit & building her army, she had become powerful enough to box with them. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that she didnt think more would come. That would mean 3 otsusuki including herself would have gone missing, which i imagine to them rarely happens cause of the “no killing each other” law that they have ( stated by urashiki). Plus earth’s chakra level would have gone up exponentially causing even more attention
She didn’t become powerful enough to box with them. Base momo slams low diff. She legit has no feats. Her best feat is her ap of teleporting dimensions which was planetary and momoshiki did the same thing ,but better. He did the same thing except they had suns, stars, and a solar system. Kaguya is weaker.
@@Dj-fb8bsmomoshiki never teleported boushiki can momoshiki never did
@@Dj-fb8bs you might have be thinking about isshiki and his teleport was not better than her either
@@ironshinobi9384 I’m basing this on the manga/novels. Kaguya is known for her dimensions which are planetary where she travels dimensions and makes different planets with her chakra. Momoshiki on the other hand was shown doing the same thing ,but accept his had stars, suns, and a solar system which would make it star-solar in ap. Kaguya’s is only planetary-star. Momoshiki also absorbed a star. Most stars are far larger than planets and the reason we can see them and not other planets is because stars are just that big. Momoshiki absorbing a star should put him at least star and his attack potency can be considered solar. Kaguya can only be wanked multi-planetary-star. Also this is just base momo. I never said his raw teleportation is better than hers ,but it’s practically the same. The difference is her teleportation hax allows her to split open and teleport although it’d be practically useless if someone can also teleport or is just faster than you. Momoshiki just scales higher. Isshiki is consistently the strongest character in the verse lore wise as he’s considered the “8 path” off his symbolism. He’s also stated to be the strongest villian in the entire franchise on the official boruto website. If you go off lore 19 year old sasuke~> kaguya. This can shown to be rather consistent as Sasuke that fought Naruto improved his speed as an adult to keep up with six paths Naruto and mastered the rinnegan. He also just reached his peak physically. Naruto on the other hand gotten stronger although he just mastered his abilities like his control of kurama and stuff we see this in the jigen fight. He never had such Omni-directional control of kurama. Naruto and Sasuke are considered to be equals adult wise and very close in power pre-baryon mode ,so he should be above kaguya. Maybe she can teleport him to another dimension and leave him their although in terms of actual combat she would lose. Momoshiki is considered a beyond kaguya level threat and kaguya is only considered stronger than momo because she of her base before getting the rinne-sharingan. The thing is that is filler and hagoromo was relative to kaguya and after absorbing the god tree he was still stated to be weaker. Kaguya’s base chakra was stated to be greater than the 10 tails ,so it could not be as much of an amph as people think.
@@Dj-fb8bs i feel bad for your fingers but holy thats alot of letters and btw nice explanation
This video is very informative! Now my question is why Kaguya wrote down the scrolls in the first place. If she needed help then surely she should've told her sons and the three of them would easily be able to take down Momo and Kin.
Cause kaguya was preparing for the entire Otsutsuki clan
@@tensimkazem1812 nawl man the vid says she was prepared for the 2 of them not the whole
@@jillianecalistavillanueva4459 so are you telling me if the whole clan came to earth kaguya wont fight them cause she only fight againts those 2?
@@tensimkazem1812 not exactly that she WAS prepared for them to cause disasters on earth but her sons sealed them
@@jillianecalistavillanueva4459 The vid only mentions Sasuke's "Hypothesis" and doesn't really prove anything other than what ifs and maybes. For example @10:24 he says Sasuke quotes "Kaguya's scroll had an 'entry' about their arrival" meaning there's multiple "entries" implying she might have written about more, but we're never told what the scroll says in its entirety. He says because Sasuke knows momo and Kinshiki's names it must mean they were the only ones. That is a huge 'maybe' as we're never told about anything else in the scroll. For all we know it could mention even more Otsutsuki clan member names
Kaguya was actually scared of ME as a matter of fact
Great video.. now we need this same energy towards a video of you breaking down your favorite fight polls on ur page 👀
God. Im not gonna say which, but some of the poll results had me slamming my head against the wall 😂
We dont know when she wrote that down. And fearing a group doesnt mean 1 of the group is automatically stronger than you in a 1o1. Also Kaguyas Prime was at the beginning of her fight with Team 7 when she hold the chakra of the whole world and didnt waste tons of chakra to switch dimensions... I dont think that Prime Kaguya would go down in a 1o1 against Momoshiki who struggled against 2 very weakened Naruto and Sasuke and running away from Shurikens and Kunais... When Kaguya dont even give a shit about being hit by Amaterasu. Also you didnt really mentioned any feats and compare them from Momo and Kaguya
She wrote after eating the Chakra fruit, did u not watch the video?
I'm glad someone addressed this issue
This is an interesting topic regardless. Momo is a threat because he can absorb her attacks & send em back, he has loyal kinshiki on his side, and has hella chakra pills. Kaguya did something that is Otsutsuki taboo and merged with the tree. Even though it gave her power beyond what the fruit granted her - it paused the cultivation of Earth.
So that leaves room for Momo to suck all the juice from Earth and rise to even crazier heights - and nothing would stop him from fusing with his tree either.
That would better explain the white zetsu army. Maybe they were made to stop that from happening while she managed to find a way to defeat Momo & Big Kin
We can't make any solid type of comparison going by statements. Momo said Kaguya "feared" him because he was basing her off on her pre-fruit form as he would have no idea how powerful she became on earth since she backstabbed Isshiki.
How is that taboo, didn't Isshiki and Momo want to do the exact same?
Big kin, that acc sounds alright tbf 😂
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks She was a lower rank Otsutsuki eating the fruit (and tried to kill her superior, Isshiki), that is already a taboo; also she literally merged with the tree. Not sure about that being taboo. But killing your boss, yep, definitely.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks No. You only supposed to eat the fruit, not merge with the tree. After you eat the fruit you are supposed to move to the next planet/dimension.
It seems like kaguya was actually protecting the planet.
Thank you for clarifying this
One thing I think people don’t mention is that kaguya was never really killed but simply sealed away . Will she make a comeback in the boruto series ? Did she not have the capacity to implement her karma because she was the lower ranked member in the pair ? I have so many questions lol
Being sealed means her chakra is being drained and that that can kill u so she’s dead forsure this time because she doesn’t have black zetsu to revive her
guess im gonna have to make a video on this too. she's dead. six paths chibaku tensei drains your chakra to absolute zero. absolute zero is death. Why do you think she had to be "resurrected" in naruto? the jutsu drained her to 0 and killed her. thats why the word revived was used. That's why all the databooks refer to her as dead. thats why the light novels refer to her as dead.
@@NarutoExplained thank you both for explaining it to me i didn’t know that the chibaku tensei did that . I’ll check out the light novels too
she's the 10 tails and the 10 tails is forever gone with Kurama's death so she's not coming back
I don’t care about stupid plot points. Kaguya stomps both Momoshiki, Kinshiki and Momoshiki fused with Kinshiki with no difficulty.
That thumbnail was very eye-catching, good job with that.
Kaguya plus Hagoromo and Hamura vs Momo and Kinshiki?! That’s a Battle of Gods bruh. I know Kaguya is in the lowest rank of the clan but with Hagoromo and Hamura bruh?!, that’s insane power combined. Fused Momoshiki is a different beast tho.
Yo, boruto is plus trying to make them look good. Sasuke and naruto toyed with fused momoshiki and a kid killed him with naruto's chraka. At no point was naruto and sasuke able to toy with kaguya. Plus it took naruto, sasuke, Sakura, obito and Kakashi's help to seal her away to due to the fact that they couldn't kill her. How is fused momoshiki stronger???🤔🤔🤔
@@jaydeg4481 cause adult naruto and sasuke aren’t the same as they were during the war. They’re much stronger than they were before
@@ScienceBro22 ye 15 years of training made them cracked lol
@@jaydeg4481 Bro when the writers portrayed momoshiki to be a greater threat than kaguya, and now you see naruto and sasuke are keeping up with that threat greater than kaguya, common sense should tell you that naruto and sasuke buffed tf up over the span of 15years. Did you think they were still going to remain at the same level they were in shippueden lol. Kinda like how time-skip luffy grew stronger than pre-timeskip luffy. Take adult naruto and sasuke to the past to face kaguya and she'll get bodied by them 2 alone.
@@zane-qq3tl They should be able to defeat her individually even if she may have more hax than both. They could probably just beat her down like they did with Momo. I mean Sasuke was literally keeping up with Kinshiki whose whole style is taijutsu & brute force and he was doing this while a bit drained (not at full power from teleporting) and with just BASE SHARINGAN. Literally base Naruto & base Sasuke as adults individually should be able to beat Kaguya up
Love vids
If I could make a Boruto fan animation, I would make a video of isshiki using sukunahikona to shrink an entire star and then using daikokuten to make the star crash onto earth and destroy the planet
bruuuuuugh! I need this now
Damn sounds awesome man
I always wondered that. I always wondered if Isshiki was capable of shrinking and storing stars or planets as long as he could see the full scope of the celestial body. The only caviat is he can't shrink living things other than himself. Would a planet or star be considered living as it pertains to his ability?
I'm assuming otsutsukis can breath in space, so Isshiki could just go into outer space and just shrink the earth. Imagine just chilling then you're suddenly flung into the vacuum of space.
@@isaacfloyd4023 I think living pertains to humans and organisms I don't think planets and stars count as living I don't think science classifies earth as a living thing either but to be fair using real life things in a anime that's not realistic doesnt make the best sense but that's just my 2 sense
Called kaguya a whole thot😂 thumbnail picture 10/10
I'll do it again 🤣
She was supposed to be a snack for Isshiki but she betrayed him.
And she let Tenji, snackes her hahhahaha
@@hc6008 Right, a run of the mill human. Guess she wanted a cat she could control. Shocker 😂
@@hc6008 do you think tenji clapped kaguya hard or did go easy on her?
Thank you for saying this
It still feels strange why she'd be afraid, especially since the White Zetsu were terrible fighters, and that Kaguya, if she caught Isshiki off guard, who majorly out classes both Ōtsutsuki, I felt like she could handle them. I think the most dangerous part would be Momoshiki's Rinnegan, but Kaguya has a list of abilities that can't be absorbed (I should have waited for the end)
she was afraid of the entire ootsutsuki clan. the zetsu were needed to gather information probably or inform kaguya upon anybody's arrival.
@@daikij74522 Bro how would u watch this video and still say this lol. She was definitely afraid of momoshiki and kinshiki specifically cuz she believes they are stronger and a severe threat to her motives.
@@zane-qq3tl, she wasn’t afraid to fight Momoshiki and Kinshiki. She just didn’t want to bother herself with fighting such a fodders. So she created a whole army of fodder White Zetsu so she wouldn’t be bothered fighting some fodders herself.
@@daikij74522, nah, she wasn’t afraid to fight Momoshiki and Kinshiki. She just didn’t want to bother herself with fighting such a fodders. So she created a whole army of White Zetsu fodders so she wouldn’t be bothered fighting some fodders herself.
This some big brain analysis right here
Kaguya has every right to be afraid when u know momoshiki can transform a living otsuski into chakora fruit it self so yeah kaguya knew better
Not really. Kaguya had over all higher durability after consuming the chakra fruit. Her being cautious is very reasonable, as she had comitted treason within the Otsutsuki clan and thus the odds were higher that other members would turn against her.
@@daikij74522 they did momoshiki so dirty in anime and manga bro is strong af in LIGHT NOVELS
@@CuriousGeorgekik1 yeah and kaguya still op
@@CuriousGeorgekik1 how strong...
@@daikij74522 fun fact rinnesharigan is useless against otsusukis
Kaguya being scared of Momoshiki and Kinshiki does not mean they are stronger than her. Kaguya was likely not aware of exactly how strong Momoshiki was compared to her, and Momoshiki's statements about Kaguya are not reliable because Momoshiki is extremely arrogant + he never knew of her eating the chakra fruit. Basically this is all meaningless statements and semantics and at the end of the day feats reign supreme over everything and Kaguya's feats still far surpass those of Momoshiki or Kinshiki.
But her fearing them due to a similiarity or gap in power and abilities, with her being disadvantaged is the most likely reason. She literally went out her own way to erect an army of thousands of zetsus in preperation for them.
We also have feats of Momoshiki destroying a star and being responsible for creating a universe sized dimension.
Furthermore, it would make more sense for Momoshiki and Kinshiki to be stronger than her from a narrative standpoint, since we've consistently seen a pattern of new villains and threats generally being more dangerous and powerful than the previous ones.
One Hypothesis what makes Momoshiki being more fearful than other osutsuki maybe because of his Byakugan. Because his Byakugan can peer to the future so he has a higher rank or he is very close to the osutsuki God or he is a member of the royal family bloodline that gave him this special Byakugan. So Momoshiki is one who is very close to the osutsuki god.
One Mistakes the author made Mistakes is the power level of the osutsuki because the power cliff between Isshiki vs other osutsuki is very vast, it does not makes sense at all. When Naruto and Sasuke fought with the osutsuki you can clearly see that their powers are fluctuating and this frustrating to see.
When they fought Kaguya lets say that haven't gotten use of the powers yet so they are still weak. When they fought Momoshiki they clearly were nerf compared to when they fought Kaguya even though they have gotten a lot stronger but the still win even with a handicap that naruto was already drain. When they fought Isshiki they're clearly the same level as when they fought Momoshiki but they didn't have any handicap this time but they were actually being easily played by Isshiki, also naruto is in his six path mode this time. So how does this compared that Kaguya and Isshiki were a pair and their powers Should actually be more stronger than that of Momoshiki but still Kaguya is still scared of Momoshiki. This power scaling between Osutsuki does not make sense at all.
Momo was hard nerfed during the naruto and Sasuke tag team vs momo fight but it was one good fight like it was a really good fight even tho it was ass writing
kaguya was preparing for her whole clan
Momo's fate sensory is really screwed up because he says stuff about Naruto and Boruto's future but then tries to kill them? Like didn't he just say that they were gonna be alive in the future so why would he start a fight with them lol. Momo was weak because he was arrogant and simply abused his powers to absorb chakra and redirect it whereas Kaguya spent time developing her unique Rinne-sharingan teleportation and Ash Blossom taijutsu to fight again the otsutsuki. Isshiki on the other hand is an example of a higher ranking otsutsuki that has had time to train and cultivate his power. So Kaguya was a low-ranking member who trained and managed to gain power, Momo was a high-ranking member but wasted his power and Isshiki was high in ranking and also trained to become stronger so its expected for him to be stronger than Momo.
@@phatdog, Momoshiki seems to be both a fodder and stupid. Lmao. Such a pity!
Kaguya wasn’t actually afraid fighting Momoshiki and Kinshiki. She just didn’t want to bother herself with fighting such a fodders. So she created a whole army of the White Zetsu fodders to fight some Ōtsutsuki fodders when they arrive. In the meantime, she could dry her nails and do another girly things. She is the GOAT Ōtsutsuki.
Great video.
Oh yes this kaguya is stronger than ishiki cause she beat him is annoying it's like they don't understand the off guard part so would I be stronger than Mike Tyson if I beat him up but caught him off guard beforehand?
Exactly. And what gets me is that people who make that claim ignore the very fact that isshiki had enough power to survive the attack where as anybody else in the series probably would have been one shot immediately.
@@isaacfloyd4023 yea exactly bro people need to understand that kaguya has been surpassed
@@Cloudine-fu4rk Idk if your in this camp of people but people also need to stop saying it was PRE FRUIT kaguya that did it. First of all pre fruit kaguya had no legitimate feats or abilities capable of damaging isshiki. And second of all its like people think that it's impossible that isshiki arrived on earth after she first ate the fruit. Just because they were both a pair doesn't mean that one partner can't arrive before the other lol
@@isaacfloyd4023 yeah I never believed it was pre fruit kaguya either just fanboys looking for excuses like idk how they ignored the fact ishiki no didfed stronger versions of Naruto and Sasuke and kaguya couldn't Naruto and Sasuke who were noobs with the 6 paths power when she finally decided to kill them and the fact that Naruto dug in his ass and pulled out bayron mode to even contest with my boy ishiki proves kaguya inferiority if she was was that strong she wouldn't have been a chump and resorted to sneak attacking ishiki and even when she sneak attacked him she still didn't kill him then lol so that's ishiki look even more impressive and kaguya look worse and at was literally stated that ishiki was the strongest enemy Naruto and Sasuke ever faced also
@@Cloudine-fu4rk Good cause that garbage drives me nuts lol Seeing people say that kaguya legitimately beat isshiki was bad enough but people saying it was pre fruit kaguya was another level of stupid that just wreaked of desperation to find any way possible to put down the powerscaling.
enjoyed the video keep up the good content
seriously glad you enjoyed. I been wanting to make this video for a while
If sasuke before he lost rinnegan could he use izanagi or however you spell it then use rinne rebirth couldn’t he come back to life
im working on a video to address the first one
Can you do a video on What if Naruto learned sage mode during the timeskip
What if kawaki is the one to let kaguya out of the seal, and that's why the village is messed up in the time skip
Nice thumbnail
Not just that, actual geniuses that know how to do calculations have already proved that Toneri was stronger than Kaguya. Simply put Boruto era has created a huge powercliffing that I enjoy but just wish they would elaborate more on how it happened because many people seem to take a glance at things and run with headcanon. Great vid
Toneri stronger then kaguya nice one naruto didn't even use so6p mode against him kaguya would destroy him
@@maadtee6281 except that Kaguya's best feat is nearly destroying her time space that is only planetary in size with the help of tentails and the chakra under everyone under tsukuyomi. Toneri on the other hand was going to destroy the earth before he even got his tenseigan amp and Naruto being in kcm2 sage mode changes nothing. Naruto got stronger as explained in the novels
@@Michael-wj8pe so doesn't mean he could beat kaguya. Toneri had powers from thousand of tenseigen to help him and eye that wasn't his. Anyway going by your logic Toneri beats Isshiki because his more destructive even though we know kcm Naruto wasn't even pushed to his limits. To just seal Kaguya not beat there was a lot of help that Naruto and sasuke needed
@@maadtee6281 No bro, Toneri's AP/DC scale to planetary in his base form. Kaguya with all her amps scales to planetary. Multiple statements made in the novel imply and also support that Toneri was stronger than Kaguya. If we look at the Sasuke shinden novel, Sasuke states himself he could beat kaguya at 19 years old. However the way I'm scaling isn't by DC, it's by the fact multiple implications were made that he was stronger than Kaguya and the evidence of him moving the gravitational binding of the moon and throwing at earth, that was calculated to be planetary. His speed was also on par on a much stronger Naruto than his war arc self which was also mentioned in the novels ads and guides. Also no I don't think Toneri is stronger than Isshiki, Jigen alone beat adult six paths Naruto and Sasuke who in the novels defeated Momoshiki and Kinshiki, beings who in their base forms had created parallel worlds and Kinshiki who was stated to split worlds. I mean Momoshiki's introduction in the novels begin with him destroying a planet and in some translations a star. So I know Isshiki scales much higher than Toneri by miles. Kaguya on the other hand got blitzed by a massively fatigued team in which have been fighting for a whole 2 days straight with little breaks, 3 of which were barely discovering how to use their powers as they fought. Kaguya on the other hand ran low on chakra despite being amped by the tentails in her battle with team 7 and resorted to absorbing chakra from everyone under the tsukuyomi so I don't think I'm far off from believing Toneri is stronger than Kaguya
@@Michael-wj8pe @@Michael-wj8pe momoshiki never destroyed a planet or a star that is a mistranslation what he did was destroy a city. The same way all otsutsuki do, hell even then they were surprised by ninja earth Chakra as it was more quality then the places he visited. The sun was just dying
Sasuke thinks he can beat kaguya and kaguya level threats when we see him face them he struggles hell dude was even struggling against Shin. Kaguya wouldn't want to destroy ninja earth why would she even do that when it has what she want to protect.
Naruto and Sasuke got replenished of Chakra after they awaken thanks to hagoromo and Kabuto supplying Sasuke some Chakra and naruto getting kyuubi. Nowhere does it suggest they needed anymore Chakra or that they were fatigue.
Momoshiki and kinshiki were even struggling against the weakest of the 3 kage that cannot compare to the ones before. Durai was making Momoshiki run away from him.
Toneri is weaker then kaguya only thing he has is power which got destroyed by base Naruto. It's like saying chunin Sakura beats Kakashi because she's more destructive. Toneri was more destructive then isshiki but still isn't strong let's not forget that the moon was shown to be hollow.
Also its like saying madara destroys momoshiki because he can move asteroids
Yess even tho we haven't even chatted yet Today and I was like man what too doo.. notification and well yooooooo this is perfect for my final chill period before heading to work! here we go
I forgot to schedule the video. had to do it as soon as i got done working out
@@NarutoExplained like the Goat as always best time to do so sometimes for real lol
She was scared because she can’t fight for her life, and what proves that she never won a bottle against anyone.
Let’s remember that Naruto and Sasuke power are extended from Kaguya, so if they can defeat Kinshiki and Momoshiki then so is kaguya, if she learned some skills but nuh she rather build an army of week trees to do what I don’t know, what she was thinking!! 😂
Literally girly things
kaguya fought her sons months. and she wanted her chakra back not kill them same against team7 hence she lost the fight. and she was preparing for her whole clan
@@A13b100 Yeah that maybe why we didn’t see her go all out with her power, I don’t get why someone like her could be scared of those two, she just needs some fighting skills on top of that massive chakra
Exactly
@@astoldbytoffy good point. They are weak asl compared to her in terms of power. The thing is many people forget that not just in Naruto but in all worlds there are things that lose to others that that lose to something else that they beat. Meaning this, my football team beat team A but team A beat team B and yet team B beat my team. It’s like a triangle ♻️ Make sense? So essentially there are counters to everything. Power scaling does not always work. just because I (fire) melted ice and ice can freeze water does not mean I can melt water. If anything water beats me (fire).
Looking back on this i keep thinking if only he knew about Ishiki at this point lol
What if the Momoshiki and Kinshiki we saw aren’t the Momoshiki and Kinshiki Kaguya was referring to. There could be like Momoshiki jr. Momoshiki sr. Maybe the Otsutsukis from the destroyed murals are the Otsutsukis Kaguya was scared of.
Could be true but honestly I think the God tree and fruit she ate came from them. Either that or she fed the bottom half of ishhiki to the ten tails.
When she mentioned them it showed a silhouette of them and it looks just like momoshiki and kinshiki
The otsutsuki have distinct features.
She was definitely referring to them
But it could have also been foreshadowing their arrival in the boruto series
The thumbnail had me thinking of sum else ngl😉
I can't get used to the idea that momoshiki is stronger. A genin landed an attack on momo who was fused and outsmarted him. He even loss to an exhausted Naruto who enhanced boruto rasengan with his Chakra. I could never see this happening to kaguya. No genin would ever land an attack on kaguya. Nor would a ultra big ball rasengan kill her since multiple tailed beasts rasenshuriken barely damaged her if at all
Kaguya is naruto's final villain... So they need to make her op.... In boruto for plots sake they have to nerf momo, so that boruto can beat him
To be fair, the strength of that rasengan really made 0 sense. It literally had the velocity of a spirit bomb and disintegrated Momoshiki. I honestly think it's the strongest attack Naruto has ever used, which in itself is a serious plothole.
@@notfunnydidntlaugh1890 did you just say a giant Rasengan is the strongest attack that Naruto ever used? 🤨
@@charleschiemekaekeogu6908 To me it seems so, because compare that giant rasengan to his final ashura attack. All that did was make a huge explosion, and destroy their avatars. That rasengan literally obliterated momshiki and blasted through the ground and up into the atmosphere in less than 5 seconds. That attack is literally the most destructive and intense thing Naruto has ever created, to the point where it's pretty much a plot hole since we've never seen a Rasengan do that before.
My personal belief is that Kaguya has the most raw power out of any character. This is defined as having the most potent and abundant chakra. She also had so many different powerful abilities. However unlike Momoshiki and ishiki, she has no combat awareness, experience and skill. Thus although she had the most power, she was never using it to its fullest potential. Additionally a large portion of her powerful unique abilities were chakra based, making them useless to her fellow clansmen. Thus the otsutsuki strength scales goes like this for me.
Isshiki
Fused Momoshiki
Kaguya
Momoshiki
kinshiki otsutsuki
As for raw power(Chakra):
Kaguya
Isshiki
Fused Momoshiki
Momoshiki
Kinshiki
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This topic will always be talked about. I believe she was afraid of Momoshiki. However, if not, she was definitely afraid of both Momoshiki and Kinshiki.
Assuming that she was lower rank her fears were reasonable. It was mentioned several times that Kaguya gained tremendous strength *after* consuming the chakra fruit. Momoshiki was basing Kaguya off of her pre-fruit form when she invaded earth together with Ishiki.
@@daikij74522 her first amp was ass she absorbed chakra from hundreds of regular people while momoshiki absorbed chakra from several planets
@@daikij74522 and momoshiki in the boruto novels in the boruto timeline absorbed chakras of planets
@@uchihafan849 SPIT BRO
Momoshiki and Kinshiki is a pair of fodders. Kaguya didn’t afraid them. She just didn’t want to bother herself with such a losers. So she created an army of white fodders to fight her relative fodder when they arrive, while she is chilling somewhere.
Yo these thumbnails kill me every time, this is how you troll healthily
Where do you rank the members of the Otsutsuki clan?
*Otsutsuki Clan Ranking*
*SUPER HIGH TIER*
Kaguya
Hagoromo
Hamura
*HIGH TIER*
Urashiki
Isshiki
*MID TIER*
Boruto(Kid)
Momoshiki
*LOW TIER*
Toneri
Kinshiki
Ashura
Indra
I rank them by : Kaguya, Hagoromo(prime) Ishiki, Momoshiki fused, Toneri, Kinshiki, Urashiki, Ashura ( 6 paths power), Indra and if i had to put Kawaki or boruto i would put boruto above Urashiki and kawaki above Toneri. Urashiki had potencial but was badly writen sad
Top tier:
Isshiki
Momoshiki
Medium tier/Sacrifices:
Kaguya
Kinshiki
Low tier/scouts:
Urashiki
The rest: Hagoromo, Hamura, Indra, Ashura and Toneri aren't included, because they are half-bred, therefore impure Otsutsuki.
Also, Jigen, Boruto and Kawaki, even though they have become Otsutsuki, they are not part of the clan, and are therefore not included.
1 Ishiki/Kawaki (solos all of shipuden+)
2 Momoshiki (had to die for movie)
3 urashiki (suffered from animescalinging but supposedly sttonger than kinshiki and momo)
4 kinshiki (turned into a gusher)
5 Kaguya (became the standard for otsusuki power)
5 1/2 hagaromo and hamura (kaguyaish)
6 toneri (tenseiGONE)
TBD boruto (momo+)
@@tudormardare66 this one makes sense
I don't know too much about this because it's so much about the otsutuski that we don't know.... but on and other note do you think black zetsu was a form of karma seal?
Can you make a video on Boruto's potential now that he is 100% otsutsuki also momo slaps
I have a theory that boruto will get his own unique otuski power. Cuz every otuski has their own unique thing that differs them from the rest. And since 18% of borutos otuski dna is his own I’m pretty sure he will have some busted unique move
the thumb nail took me out lmaooo
Am I the only one who loves how passionate Naruto Explained is when he explain his facts from his research and such
Your argument is kinda flawed. @3:24 she specifically says "They" not Momoshiki. Kishimoto is also known for depicting clans with singular figures. For example whenever the show talks about the Senju clan we only ever see Hashirama and Tobirama . Same with the Uzamaki we are shown very few members despite there being many more in the clan. Your also forgetting that she was a low ranking Ōtsutsuki member, and if she was able to get that STRONG in that amount of time then it would be very wise to think higher ranking members could get stronger too so of course you'd want to be prepared for anything, it's a very smart thing to do and further empathises how tactical she was in comparison to Momoshiki who saw anything beneath him as insects and just abused his ability to absorb a jutsu and return it instead of creating his own techniques.
You're main argument is Sasuke's "Hypothesis" key word there meaning not definitive. Then you go on about him decoding a scroll about the clan and knowing 2 of their names? So? You could read a scroll about the Leaf village and learn about the Hokage names? @6:10 your argument is she never mentions any other names. How do you know? We never see the scrolls full description, Sasuke names those two because they are in front of him for all we know, he knows even more names, hell why doesnt he mention anything about the third member in the image then?? @10:24 you yourself provide the quote "Kaguya's scroll had an 'entry' about their arrival" meaning there's multiple "entries" implying she might have written about more. Its also known that they go to planets in "pairs" so of course she would write that down and mention possible potential invaders. So basically you could also argue she made the army to help buy her time to recover between waves of invasions 🤷♂
@8:10 you mention Sasuke talking about his hypothesis about further invaders and them being potentially stronger than Kaguya. To which Sasuke later confirms his Hypothesis was true. Which one tho? He never specifies which part, its more safe to say he confirmed the existence of further invaders as it was clearly unlikely, he was able to confirm their power levels as he never actually fought them at full strength, he only fought Kinshiki and 'saw' Momoshiki and we both know Kinshiki is far weaker than Kaguya.
@8:59 You mention Kishimoto watching over the storywriting. How does that confirm anything lol? Ofc he's checking things but that doesnt confirm power levels.
@9:32 you say "Sasuke state that Kaguya scroll that a pair of pursuers will be coming to the land" yet your literal image evidence doesnt even mention the word 'pair'? You argue it was different in the manga but don't provide any evidence to back your claim?
@12:49 you say "That every continuity has directly stated that these were the people..." Not a single quote you provided said that?? Everything you've said is taken out of context to link what ifs and maybes.
So basically your whole argument is about Sasuke's "Hypothesis" taken out of context and that Kaguya made an army to help her against other foes? If you were a low-ranking army soldier you'd understand that the higher ranks are more skilled than you yes? However after finding an almighty weapon on the battlefield and wanting to escape the evil organisation you'd flee with said weapon right? Now what do you do with it? You train with it off course so you can potentially fight back, but even if you train how would you know if the previous higher-ranking members won't also be training and getting stronger too? So to help with this you recruit others to help you fight. How is this relevant you ask? Well its exactly how Kaguya's story went, she even designed her army to fight the Ōtsutsuki 's weakness via taijutsu and not use too much chakra that the Ōtsutsuki could absorb. Momoshiki can fight hand to hand yes but even he will get exhausted as seen in his fights when his opponents stop providing him with jutsu to absorb and the biggest kicker? We see that Momoshiki a high-ranking member could care less about training and instead just abuses his ability to absorb chakra meaning Kaguya who actually trained could have caught up to the higher ranking members since they obviously don't care.
You're also assuming Momoshiki is stronger than Kaguya when feat wise he never shows any abilities above hers? People argue about his universe having stars? Kaguya's had stars too and was able to actively manipulate them in combat whereas Momo couldn't, in fact we don't even know if that universe was his own creation that could just be a place he feasted on. They both have the same weaknesses with kaguya having superior Taijutsu to counter her own Ōtsutsuki clan. We also see Kaguya tank multiple sage pseudo ten tailed amped Naruto Rasengans meanwhile momo died to a child's amped massive rasengan. We assume Naruto put sage chakra in it but its never confirmed it also definitely wasn't amped by any tailed beasts. Naruto has certainly trained over the years as seen with his knowledge of jutsu's but to say he got stronger when he lost so much incredible power is hard to prove. As a teen he had access to Hagaromo's buffs that he no longer has and he was also a psuedo 10tails, whereas adult Naruto only has their "vestiges" now.
Excellent debunk
@@ryomen____yagami Sorry the rambling
@@phatdog No issue
Did you even watch the video? Sasuke naming Momoshiki and Kinshiki implies that Kaguya only wrote their names. Sasuke didn’t know any other Otsutsuki members existed because Kaguya never wrote about any others. Kaguya fought the weakest version of Naruto and Sasuke while Momoshiki fought a 15+ years experience Naruto and Sasuke. That’s bigger than the gap between og naruto to the end of shippuden
@@nishnishbishb8918 Incorrect argument but even then it doesn't matter because Kaguya couldn't expect a specific version of Momoshiki and Kinshiki because she knows they can get stronger through the chakra fruits + teamwork is one of the key points in Naruto. Still doesn't prove that Momoshiki himself has any shot at beating Kaguya
15 years gap doesn't change anything
Great informative video
I would add 2 things...
1 people can't grasp how ridiculous the power cliffing in Boruto is
Even a character like Onoki can destroy things on an atomic level where in Shippuden he only could at a cellular level
Also gets supported with Onoki beating drained Ku(drained bc his heart got destroyed and he spammed too many Jutsu and he and the fabrications have to not use Jutsu for 20 sec(they've 20 sec intervals))
Those fabrications were a part of an army Onoki tried to make(was stated in the anime and light novel version) to fight Kaguya level threats and they're White Zetsu mixed with Shinobi DNA which amp them significantly(Ku is literally an Onoki clone mixed with a White Zetsu)
People automatically say they're fodder bc they were pretty underwhelming villains and "lost to kids" although Boruto's generation (except probably Metal) far surpassed Naruto's generation at the ages of 12-13...
2 is Naruto vs Momoshiki in the Chunin Exams arena
Naruto did actually go all out it was stated by the narrator in ch 5 and Kurama said they'd give everything they've got...Naruto just gone all out defensively he couldn't blow up the amped Bijuu Dama bc it would've blow away the village, and Naruto collapsed which would indicate that base Momoshiki's Ninjutsu>Full defensive power Naruto which makes sense narratively since they did had prep time and fought a Taijutsu centric battle and had statements like Darui's that they won't use any Jutsu vs Momoshiki or Boruto's statement or Sasuke's
And fused Momoshiki in the movie and movie novelization said he can make it up to infinity
Naruto and Sasuke doing very well together just mean they've got a lot stronger since their battle with Kaguya people can't grasp that
It's similar to the power cliffing of early Shippuden just on a much bigger scope
Characters getting stronger to progress the plot/specific storyline (now, Naruto and Sasuke got nerfed so Boruto and Kawaki power cliffs is the thing that would progress the plot)
There is no powercliffing, there is only bad powerscailing, chojiro can be relative to kinshiki but at the same time he injured by some fodder rip off seven deadly swordsmen?🗿 I don't see why he didn't just blitz them. There is also no reason why the tsuchikage lost to ku, just because ku was made to fight otutsuki doesn't make him otutsuki💀 zetsu's were literally made to fight the otutsukis😭 and they sure as hell aren't even close to their level, not to forget the fact that ohnoki has no idea how strong kaguya level opponents are🗿
@@zenox1405 it's both power cliffing and bad scaling
Your Chujoro point is absolutely irrelevant since he let himself get injured(he initially intended to assassinate them but was convinced to educate them by Boruto who refer to this as scuffle between kids)...
Onoki is literally a past Kage(was Kage till around 5 years before the story)and should've been informed on the S rank classified missions Sasuke took just like Kakashi Ay and Mei have been
And it wasn't only Ku that was supposed to be a leader of an army that made to fight Otsutsuki it's not Ku alone, he was amped Onoki basically since he's an Onoki clone mixed with a white Zetsu he lost to Onoki bc he broke the 20 sec intervals between Jutsus and his body broke down(similar to the fabrications)bc of this and he lost his heart
Kurotsuchi losing to Ku implied to be Kurotsuchi surrender after he revealed his identity and it was off screen in both light novel and anime so it shouldn't use for scaling)
The examples for bad scaling is Urashiki being much stronger in his base+with puppets pre time slip arc vs Gaara and Sasuke then his transformed state vs Naruto Jirayia and Boruto
Or Cho Cho getting overwhelmed by Base Sarada in the Mitsuki desertion arc but swapping hands vs all out 2 tomoe Sarada in the 2nd Chunin Exams
wait….is black zetzu basically like a karma seal that manifest a personality 🤨or a a while separate being all together?
Honestly it would be funny if momoshiki is kaguyas brother lol
Maybe ex?
@@Devil-ig7kl well not bad
Kaguya became immortal after she ate the chakra fruit. Hagoromo and hamura had to seal her just like Naruto and sasuke did so that proves she can’t be killed. Her abilities to instantly transport any one to another dimension and her instant kill ash bone attack are all feats that shows how powerful she is. Also even tho kaguya may have wrote momoshiki and kinshiki names in that scroll doesn’t really mean momoshiki and kinshiki are stronger than her honestly. She feared both of them yes but that doesn’t mean they are stronger than her. Kaguya stated that her clan is powerful and that should be viewed AS A HUGE THREAT.
I agree, and I would add up that she wasn’t actually afraid to fight Momoshiki and Kinshiki. She just didn’t want to bother herself with fighting such a fodders. So she created a whole army of the White Zetsu fodders so she wouldn’t be bothered fighting some fodders herself.
@@rodarollada facts
So was Madara a sort of ‘vessel’ for Kaguya? How was she able to resurrect without having a karma implanted on him?
Because he absorbed the divine tree. She was the divine tree
Black Zetsu
Black zetsu was like kaguya walking karma he was never on madara side.
@@purpleskullz3577 That is interesting to think Black Zetsu as essentially as a sentient Karma after all it did achieve at least on paper the over all purpose of reviving it's creator using some kind of host.
@@Naruku2121 very true. I like this idea. Except only mortal (pre-chakra fruit) Otsutsuki use this. Why? Because they can die and rather than die they do that to be reborn like Orochimarus curse mark. After the fruit they cant die hence the need to seal them away rather than kill them. I think what Zetsu did was use a different means to free her from the seal rather than break the seal (moon)
The thumbnail is 🔥
Kaguya fanboys incoming haha.
"B- but she tanked rasengan!"
"B- but she caught Ishiki off guard!"
I just don't understand how the evidence points to Momo being stronger is so easily thrown out the window.
The Kage got a fat buff during the time skip which isn't a bad thing in my opinion. I'd hope their adult versions could mop their 17 year old selves.
Not to mention, wasn't one of Kaguya's powers immortality? If Naruto pulled up on Hidan and threw rasenshurikens at him he'd survive too, but that doesn't mean Hidan scales above anyone Naruto beat up until that point.
Naruto and Kakashi had no problems cutting through Kaguya's defense. Naruto cut off her arm and Kakashi cut her shoulder. The only problem is she can't be killed.
Kaguya needs a Kaguya only fans
Might Guy whose entire character is built on the fact that he trains every single day, every single hour, every single minute and every single second couldn't defeat SO6P Madara prior to consuming the god tree. I'm not sure what kind of training Chojuro and Kurotsuchi had to go through to go from being Hebi Sasuke level to Kaguya+ but I would love to know. Kinshiki is supposedly capable of splitting worlds yet he couldn't split Chojuro's sword.
@@daikij74522 he didn't use his full destructive capacity but when he was more serious he actually cut momoshikis god tree with absorption is actually stronger than the war arc one which I can get through planetary he was focusing his ap
@@daikij74522 also you forgot that they knew about the threats stronger than kaguya they had almost 2 decades time to prepare themselves and had prep time as for kurotoschi she caught kinshiki off guard with a trap even off guard kinshiki didn't suffer any significant damage in the manga then he got knocked away from sasuke who's stronger than him and paralyzed from Chojuro sasuke was already stronger than kinshiki plus help from 2 kage no wonder he was losing
@@daikij74522 The kage in Boruto are neither stronger than Kaguya nor stronger than Kinshiki
The kage against Kinshiki were also assisted by Sasuke, so if the kage in Boruto were stronger than when they were young maybe, but not if hell was stronger than Kaguya
Kinshiki can split the world that misstranslate which should be able to split the ground which context might be able to split the land
The one fact I can never get over is why did momoshiki refer to earth as kaguyas planet when she was supposed to be the sacrifice for ishikki
When did he say dat?
@@bouncynuggets2084 I mean he literally asks sasuke “where is kaguya” wouldn’t they’d be asking where ishikki is since he was her superior
@@BlindIntent fr it buggs me too which is why I make my own theory dat ishikki is a rogue otsutsuki literally every otsutsuki’s job is to harvest the chakra fruit and deliver it to dem yet ishikki’s goal is to be god himself 💀 he didn’t gaf about clan laws or anything unless he is da highest ranked otsutsuki I mean his symbol was on the top while everyone is below him
@@bouncynuggets2084 true never though about ishikkis goal like that 👍
@@BlindIntent what about it?
finally someone doing a full breakdown on why the strongest version of kaguya is scared of momoshiki and kinshiki as a pair, I'm tired of people saying "it's only sasuke's hypothesis" or "momoshiki is just arrogant when he said he could beat kaguya" or "fused momoshiki lose to naruto and sasuke while kaguya was able to overpower both of them", no, the writer literally repeated themselves over and over again with many statements that the duo of momoshiki and kinshiki is stronger then kaguya
Those fans are still stuck in shippuden
They think that teen Naruto and sasuke is weaker than adult versions lol
thank you for presenting the fckin receipts!
as always goated videos man keep it up
He came with scans quotes and screenshots. This was facts 🤣
@@Yesboiii99 I’m so glad he made this video now I gotta direct link I can just send someone’s way and they can’t say shit 😭
@@WhopGod true
@@WhopGod he went full blown receipts. Even pulled the Kishimoto statement on Kishi working on the manga. Yikes. He went full nuclear. He does so many theory videos it's easy to forget how much lore he knows
What IF the whole fight momoshiki vs naruto and sasuke was momoshiki holding back.
I think it is Because momoshiki saw borutos fate and so he knew that he have to loose.
So the whole fight against naruto and sasuke he was holding back himself.
There is big chance that it is not True, But it is interesting theory.
That means that momoshiki is múch stronger than we know.
U think someone with as big of an ego as momoshiki would let himself lose?
@@crazyboy-ed8nz well if u read manga he droped his ego to do something like This in chapter 67 so yeahh??
@@Anthony-Art6 because if he didn’t he would be completely dead that’s the only reason he did it
@@crazyboy-ed8nzspoiler alert!!!!!!!!
i dont think he did that just Because of that and many People think that too.
Momoshiki knows that boruto is important in future, so he ressurected boruto Because he had to.
Those thumbnails just keep getting better bruh 😂
ima be honest, how is an army of zetsu gonna slow down momoshiki, and kinshiki, why not just train up her two demigod sons, shes stupid bro😭
what stupid. 1 zetsu she created oneshotted tentails madara. we dont know how strong her army would become
to be honest i think kaguya could no diff momoshiki and kinshiki reason y is that she fought naruto and sasuke when they had alot more of there so6p powers and that momoshiki was shocked at narutos chakra lvl which he doesnt know that its just a portion of kaguyas power and that she has hax that surpasses both kinshiki and momoshiki
LMAO can someone tell me why kaguya thought that white zetsus could protect her? How the hell was that gonna fend off momo and kinshiki?💀
What else could she have done💀😂 the whole clan was going to turn against her as she had committed treason, zetsu could inform her upon anyone's arrival
Because the white zetsus can absorb Chakra and even transform into a clone of whose Chakra they absorbed, to the extent of having the same Chakra signatures and abilities. Which in turn would be effective against Momoshiki and Kinshiki, since they both use Chakra based attacks.
@@fabianaguilar6288 taijutsu time freeze go brr
@@daikij74522 imagine thinkin THE WHOLE CLAN was comin for a low rank bcuz she broke some laws😭
@@1noIzCreezedOut thats literally reasonable? breaking the hierarchy has consequences. urashiki, momoshiki and kinshiki were explicitly looking for her
Brooooo I cant with these thumbnails 😂😂
All this debate stems from hate for the Boruto series. By the way, Boruto is already stronger than the strongest villain in the Naruto series. That must mean the final Boruto villain is truly monstrous.
No
@@moneymankkk5797 yes
@@Artwolf007 BRO BORUTO ISNT STRONGEST VILLAIN IN BORUTO ITS SHIBAI OTSUTSUKI
Just so u know the manga said SHE RAN AWAY and ur hax and attacks are chakra now what is one move the can use to beat that oh karma
The thumbnail tho
If u think of it that’s why she had different dimensions with places that where different forms of nature ice acid gravity and lava
yep. extra cautious
Finally someone who explained this thing to others who don't understand. Kaguya was never afraid of the Otsutsuki clan, but especially of Kinshiki and Momoshiki.
Nah she has the chakra fruit power she not of scared of them supposedly shown 3 of em thats a lot to handle
@@BorutoOtsutsukis Did you watch the video? Because in basically every canon rendition it's only Momoshiki and Kinshiki... Urashiki was only shown in anime filler; and the boruto anime. In all other versions its basically stated she only feared the 2.
Also in every single version Momoshiki implies she was mostly afraid of him; and that he alone could beat Kaguya.
@@daymianhogue1634 If you actually look at logic, a half Otsutski aka Hagoromo gave a human half of his chakra to feigned off of fused Momoshiki. Logically Kaguya should be above Momoshiki and Kinshiki if half of Hagoromo's chakra can do that🤷🏾♂️
@Boruto Otsutsuki If Sasuke is equal to Hagoromo, then he should be below Kaguya who is stated to be below Momoshiki and Kinshiki logically speaking. Which means Sasuke shouldn't be able to fight them. I logically don't see how Sasuke surpassed his Indra Susanno through training lol. He still has no jutsu stronger than Indras arrow🤣🤣🤣🤣. He doesn't even have a jutsu that is equal to a Juubi bomb, training can get you far, but not that far lol. We also got to accept the fact that Sasuke was slightly nerfed, I honestly don't believe nerfed Sasuke would be equal to Hagoromo. The best I could possibly see Sasuke at, is equal to full Kurama, which is still below the Juubi.
@Boruto Otsutsuki Almost would still mean he's below him, which would almost mean he would be below Kaguya and everyone whose stated to be stronger than. This is why the power scaling in Naruto/Boruto doesn't add up.
Kaguya really didn't have nothing to worry about she had plenty of time to prepare
Kaguya couldn’t fight. That was explicitly stated in Naruto Shippuden. She was powerful but did not know martial arts or have battle strategy. Black Zetsu literally had to instruct her every move and she STILL lost. Momoshiki and Kinshiki would have washed her 2v1 because they can actually fight AND they’re powerful. Also, Momoshiki can stop time.
😂😂😂😂 I see no lies. All facts!!
@@astadagouki8160 no
kaguya came with a plan to kill isshiki and stopped endless wars and fought her sons months who both are excellent fighters without zetsu. ninetails also tells naruto what to do and unlike ninetails, zetsu is her will. kaguya lost because she wanted her chakra back not kill them. she wont do this to momoshiki.
Gawd damn boi , 7 years ago them years blowin pas me ima be a senior citizen n not realize it
lol. almost 10 years since Naruto's manga ended. time flies by. another 2 years and it's 10 years since the end of naruto
What is really weird to me is from what we know right now all of the scrolls dont mention isshiki which is strange. Even momoshiki knew about ishiki so why didnt kaguya reference what she did to him. I think amado left info out while telling his story cause it's either left out in the scrolls or hasnt been read yet.
Probaly because it's highly illegal to kill a fellow otsutsuki clan member and would be the same to a written confession Amado for sure held back information he is SUS after all
It's because kaguya thought she killed isshiki whereas momoshiki didn't knew about it also isshiki knew about momoshiki's presence but he didn't interfere and same goes for momoshiki
@@otaku_unleashed777 that's what I was thinking too
Does this boruto with mastery over his new body could scale above kaguya
No
What was that thumbnail 💀
trying out new thumbnail styles. That's why the title is so direct, because the thumbnail is meme heavy
Also u keep sayin Kaguya died.. she was never Killed.. she was sealed on both occasions 😂😂
seal away until her chakra reduce to zero. which means she is dead.
This is why we need momoshiki to comeback to life so that he can show his full potential, what made kaguya be scared of him
For people are looking down on him
B/c he was basing Kaguya off her PRE-fruit form as he had NO IDEA how powerful she became on EARTH. I'm glad more and more people are acknowledging this now, but it's seriously concerning how there are still people who haven't figured this out already...
I think momo possessing boruto with jougan would be the biggest threat ever in the naruto franchise
@@brianlaundrie5787 stop spouting headcanon😭
@@1noIzCreezedOut How tf is that headcanon? Please give me proof that Momo knew how powerful she became on Earth? Feats >>> Pointless "statements" that don't add up (That's how it always is). Kinshiki got immobilized by those 3 Kage who are weaker than the previous which Madara clapped, Base Momo ran away from Darui b/c he's not good against Taijutsu, at least in Base version which implies that 8th Gate Guy would blitz and fk Base Momo up, and Urashiki got defeated by JIRAIYA and GENIN! How many excuses are we going to make for these pathetic Otsutsuki??? "dUr BuT tHe StAtEmEnTs DuR!" Fk the statements. Idgaf about some statement(s) that are clearly false based off what we've SEEN. Idc if there was a statement literally saying "Urashiki is stronger than Kaguya". No logical person is actually believing that
Did u know there's a statement saying Toneri is the strongest enemy yet at the time The Last came out which would imply Toneri > Kaguya / 3 Eyed Juubidara.... The only reason I can think of these statements being made is because it's a cash grab. More powerful characters = more suspense to viewers. Then we wait and see complete jokes until more pointless statements keep us waiting for more only to be disappointed yet again (That's business to them) and is the reason why so many people say "Boruto power scaling doesn't make sense or is broken". U probably want Momo to be above Kaguya because that would put your precious Naruto/Sasuke over both of them. My guy they ain't even stronger than Hagoromo, a TRUE god who literally GAVE them HALF of HIS power (How anyone can disrespect Hago by saying they're stronger than him, let alone INDIVIDUALLY is mind boggling to me). Naruto and Sasuke are Demigods. Not gods... That's the truth whether u like it or not
They sent three to earth to see what was up so that why she was scared. 3 otsusuki vs 1 would be over kill especially if they devoured each other. Not that I think the army would’ve done much good anyway. She shoulda just kept having kids and she probably would’ve been able to defeat them if she had 5 or more children. Her own 2 children sealed her away so I think she could’ve easily took as many husbands she wanted and had as many children as she wanted to have.
Kaguya was preparing for the entire Otsutsuki clan. 1 zetsu she created oneshotted tentails madara. We dont know how strong her army would become.
@@tensimkazem1812 not at all I was meaning having children by force lol. She could’ve easily over power any man she wanted
@@tensimkazem1812that was black zetsu tho, the physical manifestation of kaguyas will.
@@SK-pc8ni so? Kaguya created black zetsu with chakra she got from the god tree which she was making white zetsus. So same source
U could have just mentioned that those who think kaguya beats Any boruto otsutsuki are narutards and are stuck in shippuden
then debate me man. prefruit kaguya killed isshiki.
armado said if isshiki get his original body we ( refering to naruto and sasuke ) cannot stop him.
so no caught off guard or trick nothing else.
yet kaguya managed to kill him.
so armado implies kaguya> adult naruto sasuke >momo.
@@fate30Prefruot Kaguya dint kill Isshiki, it was off-guard and they don't count
@@Hunkyforlife isshiki had to use karma so he did die to kaguya. And isshiki chakra was low which hints he fought kaguya
Good one
glad you enjoyed1
One thing I would mention is that Otsutsukis don't really know how to judge their oppoments or know how strong really are, Kaguya feared them yes but if you ask yourself did she fought them, does she know what they Can do another thing about Otsutsukis is their arrogance - Ishiki if he had mentality of someone like Madara for example he would defeat them as quickly as he did tailed beasts
Kinshiki was too reckless because he thought his strength was greater than others and yet he was sealed by 2 Kages that are most likely weaker that the ones that fought much weaker Madara
Momoshiki - exactly same as Ishiki
Kaguya - She just had hax but wasn't good fighter at all to a point when Black Zetsu was literally her Master XD
Naruto and Sasuke would have died if she was good in taijutsu 👀😂
@@js2003 yes they would, Imagine Madara being in the same place instead of Kaguya and having her powers
Guess that's their weakness, their arrogance of their own power. But some of them don't seem to have the skill to back up their power, notably Kaguya, hell even Black Zetsu had to be like her coach on her side at times.
@@Naruku2121 exactly and also if you consider that they are supposed to have thousand of years of Experience they still seem to be less skilled than ninjas in every Otsutsuki battle they always relied on their hax ahilieties
@@Naruku2121 kaguya came with a plan to kill isshiki and stopped endless wars and fought her sons months who both are excellent fighters without zetsu. ninetails also tells naruto what to do and unlike ninetails, zetsu is her will
Otsutsuki's in a nutshell...
Kaguya :- Simp
Urashiki :- Filler Otsutsuki
Kinshiki :- Servant
Momoshiki :- Arrogant but still took the L
Isshiki :- Best Otsutsuki but sadly lost to the power of a portion of 10 tails
Shibai :- 👀
@misericordiumX yeah, so is the whole clan, and i just randomly added him for the best because he was some sort of an issue apart from being totally lame
@misericordiumX overhype? Idk bout that but she almost seems like the editors asked Kishimoto to do it
@misericordiumX what is bro tryna speak🙊
I think kaguya didn’t mention iishiki because she thought she killed him
Personally not digging the sound effects, good thumbnail that wasnt trolling; amazing video.