Judge Ratha is an interesting character....Gouws isn't ready to take anyones blame hence his response is clear about those 205's. He repeatetly said that he received them from the investigators. Though Ratha was in pain in couching Gouws to lie and change his evidence. Gouws doesn't want to go under the bus on behalf of Steyn and Gininda. "Allegedly"
Yeah I think Gous is having 2nd thoughts because after lunch his tone and tune changed and I like the fact that he emphasized the fact that I did not id who the digits belongs to, all I did was to show that there was communication. He definately was played, I feel sorry for him. Why didn't Steyn warn him? 😂
Ratha must deal with the pit bulls that he has created😂😂. These are professionals doing their job, and he is treating them as no bodies. They have lost all respect 😂😂😂
That moment you realize that nobody is SOMEBODY. Rude Awakening. No way can these accused be found guilty without reasonable doubt. DNA does NOT lie. Ballistics do NOT lie, but the state witnesses keep contradicting themselves and changing stories so its clear who is lying here
Steyn probably discovered that the info on the disc was cooked, they can’t convince him to come back because he is probably in hiding or will definitely blow the case wide open if he is forced to come back. Haus to me doesn’t seem switched on to notice that he got played and he is incriminating himself. He was misled and it’s clear to see , if I was him I would just say having reflected I am realising that I cannot with confidence speak on the reliability of the information I worked on as the disc was provided to me
I think Mshololo rattled a few feathers with how she brought about the constitution. That made the judge jittery... The old man wasn't himself and as usual looked for a case to cover himself... I think the centre is falling to hold for the state... The lies are coming back to haunt them
We pray for this guy's safety because baloyi gininda evil 👿🙈🙉🙈🙉 beyond evil 👿🙈 please God protect all defences, suspects and this guy please father God 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
It's true Clantis the judge and Baloyi had a rehearsal every night reason watch Rhata every time he quotes a case he just pick up a book which is already open at the page where he quotes from. Just go through today's section in court . I maybe wrong
This case has the ability to name and shame the authors and the cookers Ratha and Baloyi are slowly sinking in this ship the less said about Gininda the better
I wish msho should have probe more on the evidence bag number. Mogane gave Stein evidence bag to work on then Stein came to testify. The disc should have been in different evidence bag number when Gouws took over. If there is no time on the pictures then it's possible that the state copied the pictures from the Stein's work.
Ratha court is confused like an old man looking for his car keys, so who do we believe between Mogola/Mogane, Styn and Gouws⁉️ Forensic bag sealed, Forensic bag not sealed with same (d@mn) numbers😳⁉️
@@nelisiwelamola3216even something that Gouws wants to change the ratha said you can just make one line affidavit 😂😂😂😂 ratha is sonething elsewhere 😂😂😂his suffering bipolar or DIMENSIA 😂😂😂😂
The pot is crumbling on them. Ratha and his cronies are now running like headless chicken. They no longer do not know what to do. Baloi is now sitting at the corner
This Gous is starting to realize that he is up against the real defence team. Ngokwakhe he thought because he is cellphone data analyst the defence won't be able to guestion him properly KwAaaaa.
but today Rata as mad as he was gave Mshololo half a point when he said Gouws and other police who have been here as witnesses are often accused of twisting the story to favor a certain narrative To me he was also speaking to Mangena who is coming on the stand on Monday 20th
Most of us with our iq's rubbed together,we saw from the moment he took over this case that his mandate Is to find these accused persons guilty no matter the evidence in their favour
Thanks Mshololisto for exposing them nokba bangathini charge the accused or now we knew na how is our justice ♎ even the judge anyway all of them ,what kind of a judge gxubhuleka ngati yinja yabakhwetha kuba klk akafuni ungaphenduli
Ratha always keeps clarifying, correcting and even putting words on state witness's accounts, disguised as clarifying questions. Apparently he is always convinced such that he understands even before they finished. Ive just been observing Maumela while Mshololo questioned Tumelo. The judge hardly interferes and i could hear him asking Tumela "Are you also asking questions now'. What a contrast!!
My concern 1. The intergrity of the legal fraternity allowing this apparent circus...internationally exposed with no intervention. 2. The Judge exposing us to 50 years of disappointing non legal and non professional behavior. 3. Tax payers waste of resources 4. The judicial status quo presidence moving FOREVER. 5. The movie/circus narrative
I just loved it when she said tha, and Ratha knew deepdown that it was directed to him😂😂😂Msho was blueticking him all the way. I wish defence could summon him oneday as a witness he seems to know a lot about this case umy lord. Thats why i dropped out whilst doing my internship i just couldnt stand the my lord part coz that chair makes people like Ratha think they in heaven haaaa
My concern regarding the Section 205 is that of only calling and interogatin the caller. Why the person received the call is not called to give evidence. In this case, it is alleged that Kelly received a call from one of the accused, why can't she testify as many fingers are already pointing at her.
Good morning Clantis and Clan. My take on Mr "Analyst" is that, he was given a "sealed" bag, and probably, will/might hand it "SEALED" with the SAME serial number to the next "Analyst".
After the lunch break all of a sudden this gouws picked up something that must be changed . This smell like ratha baloyi 😞😕😞😕😞 did you hear ratha says Gouws can wright one line affidavit 😂😂😂 imagine if it was defence all hell was gonna break loose 🙀😱😱
How is he a data analyst when he keeps referring everything to Steyn and the investigators when the going gets tough. Judge was helping to block the truth when this guy sounded defeated
Clan honestly The judge is very disrespectful to Mshololo how does he say that the court is not a shabeen . Mshololo is well aware of court decorum and he does not have to shout while it is baloi who is at fault. I'm wondering what the judge president is saying when he sees these circus caused by Ratha
Am I the only one who saw Rata getting agitated for Mr Gous.Rata loves the white people.He keeps speaking Afrikaans and yet it was earlier discussed that English is to be used.
But ratha ,baloyi gininda and grew forget when states case closed, defence can let steyn being sapoenaed and all the other witnesses left out by the state, not even ratha or any higher mechanism cant oppose to that effect....
Ooh shame Lungisani. He must stay safe where ever he is. We also want to know how is he related to all four accused. What is his business with them that he call them. Eishy Lungisani is known by accused no 5. But he never call him. He call all four accused........... Hahahaha. I'm lost here. Why Moshololo mentioned his name like that knowing him life can be in danger ⚡ hmmmm. I'm confused
on Zungu s statement Baloyi said judge Rata prepared two judgements one that support a version where Zungu comes back with a statement and one version where there is no statement
Hi claints pira: for me I get a problem of a cellphone someone came and said belong to the accused person bt no information of Ricker the cellphone and accused per have don't know the phone number
They say too many hands spoil the broth 🙀🙀🙀 and also all the different spices 😞😄 except the real spices 👿😜 and the pot is starting to burn ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
That's my thoughts as well that's why ratha wanted to hear the name clearly 😮😮😮they want to go after him before Mshololo gets to him 😂😂THIS IS NOW CLEAR THAT INNOCENT 😇😇 PEOPLE MUST NOW GO IN HIDING. I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR HIM 😭😭 WE PRAY DEAR LORD PLEASE PROTECT AND KEEP HIM SAFE 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Don't worry Gouws got the message wide and clear today that he put himself in a 🪣 of boiling water 💦💦💦 when Mshololo told him his lying about the cell no belonging to someone else 😔😞💔 now he realises that he need to change something and old ratha big fart 🥵🔥 says Gouws can just write one line affidavit 😂😂😂😂😂😂
But the attitude of Ratha towards Mshololo is questionable. And he is showing signs of taking the side of the state while he was supposed to be neutral. Is like he sees Mshololo as a woman instead of seeing her as an advocate
Today he went too far stating they used a credit report to link numbers. That one even a 205 cannot give you access to such details. Even your own spouse can’t access it, we need to know what they used to access that info to be provided with the credit applications for the accused. I can bet that was a lie
Clan honestly The judge is very disrespectful to Mshololo how does he say that the court is not a shabeen . Mshololo is well aware of court decorum and he does not have to shout while it is baloi who is at fault. I'm wondering what the judge president is saying when he sees these circus caused by Ratha
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Defense are tired of this judge
God protect defence and suspects 🙏❤️🙏 please keep them safe and guide them all the way 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
RATHA’S DAY ARE OVER!!! GOD BROUGHT HIM BACK FROM HIS RETIREMENT TO EXPOSE HIM. HE THOUGHT HE WAS UNTOUCHABLE UNTIL NOW. PRAISE YEHOVAH
That girl was on FIRE!!! MOSHOLOLO Iron WOMAN ❤
Judge Ratha is an interesting character....Gouws isn't ready to take anyones blame hence his response is clear about those 205's. He repeatetly said that he received them from the investigators. Though Ratha was in pain in couching Gouws to lie and change his evidence. Gouws doesn't want to go under the bus on behalf of Steyn and Gininda. "Allegedly"
Judge cannot phone satan in hell, but the same satan can be summoned to come and stand before the extremely holy judge.
Ha ha ha ❤ the judge lihlala kwabafileyo
@@thinathusi1935 i wonder what judga will say to Senzo Meyiwa when he meets him... "Sorry son, we had to blame your merder on the wrong people"?
Laughing loud out!!!!! Only evil knows where evil sleeps.
Mshololo I love you just stand for the truth
Yeah I think Gous is having 2nd thoughts because after lunch his tone and tune changed and I like the fact that he emphasized the fact that I did not id who the digits belongs to, all I did was to show that there was communication. He definately was played, I feel sorry for him. Why didn't Steyn warn him? 😂
Well maybe they bribed Gouws or threatened him 😮😮😮but he's finding himself in a bucket 🪣 of something 😞😞😞😂😂
I also thought that Steyn saw this coming, that's why he retired.
Ratha is the master minde of cooking this surly he give the state the guide line of their pot of isishebo sabo
Advocate Mshololo must shame the devil that is walking here, not in hell with his 2 feet
Ratha must deal with the pit bulls that he has created😂😂. These are professionals doing their job, and he is treating them as no bodies. They have lost all respect 😂😂😂
That moment you realize that nobody is SOMEBODY. Rude Awakening. No way can these accused be found guilty without reasonable doubt. DNA does NOT lie. Ballistics do NOT lie, but the state witnesses keep contradicting themselves and changing stories so its clear who is lying here
Adv mshololo was 🔥🔥 todaymbogodo wow girl you're the 👑💯
Both Ratha and Stein are pensioner ,so what's the big if Stein come to the court?
Steyn probably discovered that the info on the disc was cooked, they can’t convince him to come back because he is probably in hiding or will definitely blow the case wide open if he is forced to come back. Haus to me doesn’t seem switched on to notice that he got played and he is incriminating himself. He was misled and it’s clear to see , if I was him I would just say having reflected I am realising that I cannot with confidence speak on the reliability of the information I worked on as the disc was provided to me
Hey Clantis how’s the petition progressing?
I think Mshololo rattled a few feathers with how she brought about the constitution. That made the judge jittery... The old man wasn't himself and as usual looked for a case to cover himself... I think the centre is falling to hold for the state... The lies are coming back to haunt them
Exactly, when you add too many ingredients to the pot, you forget exactly what it was you were cooking in the first place
Ratha is like that, Every time you see him with a text book of subsections readily paged you should know that it’s about to go down.
Why does the defence keep giving up their witnesses...they could just say he will be called, why should the judge have his full name right now????????
I just pray for their safety.
This judge😠 I remember how overprotective he was on useless 12 years experience constable Zungu. This judge is something else
He is a shit and a liar
We pray for this guy's safety because baloyi gininda evil 👿🙈🙉🙈🙉 beyond evil 👿🙈 please God protect all defences, suspects and this guy please father God 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
They want the names so they can intimidate and coerce them
Mshololo was smoking, somebody stop her😂.Lungisani must go into hiding cause we all know what Kenny G is capable of,if you get my drift 😅
They were shaking when Mshololo said his lying because of this number not belonging to suspect. 🥶🥶
It's true Clantis the judge and Baloyi had a rehearsal every night reason watch Rhata every time he quotes a case he just pick up a book which is already open at the page where he quotes from. Just go through today's section in court . I maybe wrong
You are on point ☝️💯💯💯💯
She was real 🔥
This judge, his a mastermind 😂
This case has the ability to name and shame the authors and the cookers Ratha and Baloyi are slowly sinking in this ship the less said about Gininda the better
I wish msho should have probe more on the evidence bag number. Mogane gave Stein evidence bag to work on then Stein came to testify. The disc should have been in different evidence bag number when Gouws took over. If there is no time on the pictures then it's possible that the state copied the pictures from the Stein's work.
Totally agree.
Possibly
Still bro the 205 are from the taxi rank case or taxi violence but here the is still NO 205 specific for this case...Inganekwane
Highlight of the day here was when she indirectly told the Judge not to comment b4 she finished her sentence!🎉🎉🎉
Ratha court is confused like an old man looking for his car keys, so who do we believe between Mogola/Mogane, Styn and Gouws⁉️ Forensic bag sealed, Forensic bag not sealed with same (d@mn) numbers😳⁉️
Did you hear prosecutor Ratha coming to Gouws aid😮😢
I agree 💯💯💯 with you 💯💯💯💯
@@nelisiwelamola3216even something that Gouws wants to change the ratha said you can just make one line affidavit 😂😂😂😂 ratha is sonething elsewhere 😂😂😂his suffering bipolar or DIMENSIA 😂😂😂😂
The pot is crumbling on them. Ratha and his cronies are now running like headless chicken. They no longer do not know what to do. Baloi is now sitting at the corner
This Gous is starting to realize that he is up against the real defence team.
Ngokwakhe he thought because he is cellphone data analyst the defence won't be able to guestion him properly KwAaaaa.
Yes yes yes 💯💯💯💯💯💯
Ratha must go to jail guys
but today Rata as mad as he was gave Mshololo half a point when he said Gouws and other police who have been here as witnesses are often accused of twisting the story to favor a certain narrative
To me he was also speaking to Mangena who is coming on the stand on Monday 20th
I agree 💯 was exactly 💯💯 what i said Gouws is putting hinself in a bucket 🪣 of dirty water 🙈🙈😕😞
Agree, others have 205 and others don't have 205.
Ratha the Judge lied that Batoi can arrest even the Pres, so since she was elected who did she arrest?
Most of us with our iq's rubbed together,we saw from the moment he took over this case that his mandate Is to find these accused persons guilty no matter the evidence in their favour
Does judge Ratha ever found any accused not guilty in his career? Mmm ay
Thanks Mshololisto for exposing them nokba bangathini charge the accused or now we knew na how is our justice ♎ even the judge anyway all of them ,what kind of a judge gxubhuleka ngati yinja yabakhwetha kuba klk akafuni ungaphenduli
Throwing his hands like his hit flies or mosquito s 🦟🦟🦗🦟🦗🦟
Ratha always keeps clarifying, correcting and even putting words on state witness's accounts, disguised as clarifying questions. Apparently he is always convinced such that he understands even before they finished. Ive just been observing Maumela while Mshololo questioned Tumelo. The judge hardly interferes and i could hear him asking Tumela "Are you also asking questions now'. What a contrast!!
My concern
1. The intergrity of the legal fraternity allowing this apparent circus...internationally exposed with no intervention.
2. The Judge exposing us to 50 years of disappointing non legal and non professional behavior.
3. Tax payers waste of resources
4. The judicial status quo presidence moving FOREVER.
5. The movie/circus narrative
Disgraceful 👿👿😡👿🥶🤬
Mshololo go on girl don't intimidate by the devils bathathe mbokodo God be with you sissy trust you 🙌
Oh Ratha yoh hamba mani😮
I think Mshololo did well done job by putting Ratha on his position because he can't keep quiet and no listening skills.
Exactly 😅
It's like he has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, he gets bored quick in a hurry by the defense
Yes Clantis we pray 🙏🙏🙏🙏 for safety 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I just loved it when she said tha, and Ratha knew deepdown that it was directed to him😂😂😂Msho was blueticking him all the way. I wish defence could summon him oneday as a witness he seems to know a lot about this case umy lord. Thats why i dropped out whilst doing my internship i just couldnt stand the my lord part coz that chair makes people like Ratha think they in heaven haaaa
😂😂😂
Good evening clantis
how far is a petition bo sikhathele thina u Jan Van Ratha
I heard her loud and clear 😂😂😂
My concern regarding the Section 205 is that of only calling and interogatin the caller. Why the person received the call is not called to give evidence. In this case, it is alleged that Kelly received a call from one of the accused, why can't she testify as many fingers are already pointing at her.
Tavern haibo
Can soneone ship queen Elzabeths diamonds crown for advocate Mshololo pls
Yoh hayi uyenyanyisa ujaji ratha izolo ubekhokela witness ngeminwe esenza isigns sidikiwe kulo tata mabamkhuphe
Good morning Clantis and Clan. My take on Mr "Analyst" is that, he was given a "sealed" bag, and probably, will/might hand it "SEALED" with the SAME serial number to the next "Analyst".
🎉🙏
Mshololo the queen
After the lunch break all of a sudden this gouws picked up something that must be changed . This smell like ratha baloyi 😞😕😞😕😞 did you hear ratha says Gouws can wright one line affidavit 😂😂😂 imagine if it was defence all hell was gonna break loose 🙀😱😱
Imagine someone's future decided based on a 1 line Afterdavid. Amanyala!!
Ukhuluma nge Decorum le angayenzi nhlobo
How is he a data analyst when he keeps referring everything to Steyn and the investigators when the going gets tough. Judge was helping to block the truth when this guy sounded defeated
Yes 💯💯💯💯💯🤚💯
Yasangana umkhulu Ratha. Uyamlaya uMsho
Clan honestly
The judge is very disrespectful to Mshololo how does he say that the court is not a shabeen . Mshololo is well aware of court decorum and he does not have to shout while it is baloi who is at fault. I'm wondering what the judge president is saying when he sees these circus caused by Ratha
Am I the only one who saw Rata getting agitated for Mr Gous.Rata loves the white people.He keeps speaking Afrikaans and yet it was earlier discussed that English is to be used.
But ratha ,baloyi gininda and grew forget when states case closed, defence can let steyn being sapoenaed and all the other witnesses left out by the state, not even ratha or any higher mechanism cant oppose to that effect....
These judge has nothing to lose since he is a pensioner, that why he was chosen
Exactly 💯💯💯💯
How many futures did he destroy in his 50yrs of active participation in the "just ice"??
Ooh shame Lungisani. He must stay safe where ever he is. We also want to know how is he related to all four accused. What is his business with them that he call them.
Eishy Lungisani is known by accused no 5. But he never call him. He call all four accused........... Hahahaha. I'm lost here.
Why Moshololo mentioned his name like that knowing him life can be in danger ⚡ hmmmm. I'm confused
on Zungu s statement Baloyi said judge Rata prepared two judgements one that support a version where Zungu comes back with a statement and one version where there is no statement
,🥵😤👿
Hi claints pira: for me I get a problem of a cellphone someone came and said belong to the accused person bt no information of Ricker the cellphone and accused per have don't know the phone number
Gouws is part of liar.You can hear him they way he was down to Earth.
Mshololo wasn't shaken by the judge witness she was standstill
💪 mogul 💪
Ratha, Baloyi and the crew your cooking does not add up.
They say too many hands spoil the broth 🙀🙀🙀 and also all the different spices 😞😄 except the real spices 👿😜 and the pot is starting to burn ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
It's too much manipulation in Senzo Meyiwa case
I feel so sorry for the Meyiwa family especially the mom going through all this pain 😭😭😭💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Run run run, run away Lungisani puuuuliiizzzzz
😂😂😂
Akabaleke ngazo zombili impela abathenjwa ontaba ayikhonjwa mm😂
That's my thoughts as well that's why ratha wanted to hear the name clearly 😮😮😮they want to go after him before Mshololo gets to him 😂😂THIS IS NOW CLEAR THAT INNOCENT 😇😇 PEOPLE MUST NOW GO IN HIDING. I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR HIM 😭😭 WE PRAY DEAR LORD PLEASE PROTECT AND KEEP HIM SAFE 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Like 912
Obviously 007 gilenda bond will dat
😂😂😂😂😂
CLANTIS PLZ NINA ENIPHEZULU BAKWETHI AKE NIBHALE INCWADI IYE KUMLAMBO KODWA MANYALAMANI LAWA ENZIWA URATHA,UNGUFAKAZI,umshushusi aphinde azoba is so called Judge
Gous was a waste of our tax, time and our data.
Don't worry Gouws got the message wide and clear today that he put himself in a 🪣 of boiling water 💦💦💦 when Mshololo told him his lying about the cell no belonging to someone else 😔😞💔 now he realises that he need to change something and old ratha big fart 🥵🔥 says Gouws can just write one line affidavit 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Clantis where is Lelo...lol..
Lelo jumped our ship and went to play for our rivals 😂😂😂😂
But where ever she is I hope she is fine
@pumuzile she is playing for the other team😂😂
@@buhlemthembu What about Bongani...is he also playing for the other team...his very scarce bantu...
But the attitude of Ratha towards Mshololo is questionable. And he is showing signs of taking the side of the state while he was supposed to be neutral. Is like he sees Mshololo as a woman instead of seeing her as an advocate
He's very defensive when it comes to state WITNESSES and baloyi Vaseline 😂😂😂
Can somebody explain to me , "What is cellphones or evidence anylist ??
Shlelfone😂😂😂😂
Hi Clan-Tis we should be careful of the judge because he is all-rounder in the court except being on defence corner😮😮😮
Heard mushololo was on fire today
He knows everything before hand I actually caught him on camera winking to Gauws and making gestures
Today he went too far stating they used a credit report to link numbers. That one even a 205 cannot give you access to such details. Even your own spouse can’t access it, we need to know what they used to access that info to be provided with the credit applications for the accused. I can bet that was a lie
Hey Clantis how’s the petition progressing?
I would also love to know
me too
Clan honestly
The judge is very disrespectful to Mshololo how does he say that the court is not a shabeen . Mshololo is well aware of court decorum and he does not have to shout while it is baloi who is at fault. I'm wondering what the judge president is saying when he sees these circus caused by Ratha