@@Boundyy idk bro. I could never kill a pro in csgo or halo. But I’ve at least dropped kills against cod pros in public matches. The ttk and lack of recoil make the skill gap noticeable in cod. The biggest gap was the jet packing cod games where movement made a huge difference in skill between players
@@masonharris1202 a public match is significantly different than a pro match. you cannot compare a casual public match to a pro game with money on the line and 50 thousand other people waiting to take your spot on the roster if you don't play well. at the professional level, as I said, it is no longer casual, its competitive.
I agree 100% with FormaL. I have always thought since CoD has had coaches, that they should be in stage with them, in the comms during the game. Telling them things like, someone on enemy team spawned out, look out for the flank/pinch, your 2 off your streaks, etc etc
I think the skill ceiling is pretty much the same on both games. It's honestly probably higher on CoD because the sheer amount of players. The more players there are, the harder it is to stand out when there are a million other people trying to be great. In Infinite, you could place top 16 just by going to an event and beating one team lol
@@davedanger4414 skill ceiling isn't the same based off the fact that cod TTK is so short on average, where as halo outside of power weapons, TTK is the same. So when you miss a shot or more, you'll most likely lose the fight. Whereas in cod, when you miss some shots, it doesn't matter cause the new FOTM gun kills in 0.2 seconds.
@@BlackMageX15 There is more to FPS games than TTK. Especially at a high level. Watch pros play Infinite. Movement is just as important on both games. Just the fact that there are a million other players widening the gap on CoD means that it'll take more skill to climb the ranks. I got to onyx 1900 on Infinite and I think I'm bad at it. I got to crimson on CoD. I don't think the skill gap between the two is crazy. If I'm able to get to a decent rank on Infinite without taking it serious, it can't be tht crazy.
@@davedanger4414that is laughable. Cod is so based on who sees who first. Skill gap from the ttk and movement mechanics is wayyy bigger on halo. Cod is way to catered to casuals
@@davedanger4414 Very little talented pro gamers will play on controller on halo or COD. Why waste your talent on two controller -based games? If the league koreans or counterstrike europeans/russians put their talents into either COD or Halo, you would never see any of those pros on the stage again bc their brains and coordination are levels above due to the amount of people they have to outcompete. So, if they trained on controller, it'd be done
Something must’ve happened in his personal life. I remember when he left halo and moved to cod, he was thin. But that was also 10 years ago 😂. Hopefully he finds the time and motivation to get fit.
@@isaacdoesevs2492if I’m not mistaken, it was because the pandemic happened + he was stuck in California instead of texas where the restrictions were lifted almost immediately so he wasn’t able to keep up with his physical health and basically just sat around at home all day
@@booky8148man I used to be just like you getting mad when someone offended my favorite gamer and my exact response was that “he makes more then your family” until I found purpose more importantly God nothing is worth your health and purpose I rather never see a million dollars then lose my health and my only purpose being sitting and eating hope you snap out of that mentality
ill never understand why some esports don’t let coached in comms during games. imagine if NFL coaches weren’t allowed to interect with the team until the game ends😂
You talk to your coach in the dugout, on the sideline, between matches (tennis) golfers have caddies. wtf are you on about?! Not to mention calling timeout? 🐦 🧠
There’s only so much you can know/coach on cod. It’s literally all reaction time and good positioning with good aim of course. That’s really it. Games like rainbow,halo and such are more coach friendly to me….. unless the coach is in stage with you actually playing and giving you tips/callouts then they’re useless….. kind of like the saying “Everybody has a plan till they get punched in their face “💯
I think Halo has the right approach when it comes to coaching. It would make that role actually useful if they implemented that into other esports like LOL or Val.
should just be on the players when they're in game and playing. players should have to track times too and not rely on coaches to do it for them. coaches should only be able to talk during pauses mid game
Exactly they need to be involved it’s like any sports having your coach callout little things, motivate and possibly adjust strategy mid game n mediate stressful moments can have a major impact on how teams perform overall n it gives the coach more of a purpose
I, like, like this guys take. It’s Cool to see, like, an inside view on the competitive, like, sweaty, like, head-to-head world of, like, professional gaming like stuff.
I think coaches will always be value I think if anything this could be speaking for the quality of coaches in the cod scene a coach is someone who helps players fine tune their skills introduce new ideas as well as try and put them in better positions to win
Man, Formals a beast and always will be but man he has gained so much weight, he gotta do somethin bout it *EDIT* THIS IS NOT ME HATING ON FORMAL AT ALL. Just wanna see the guy be able to live a long and successful life.
@@TheDirectorPro You are correct this episode was released recently but recorded before December update. It does fit pretty well with current situation tho lol
I’ve never had the conscience thought to come out and say “cod coaches are useless” but in a way I’ve always known it. I completely agree with formal on this. 100%.
The proof that coaching has absolutely no effect in Call of Duty is the fact that Pamaj is still an undefeated coach in Call of Duty despite not understanding competitive Call of Duty
I know this was when everything was going down. But I’ve see other comments and I was already wondering myself where Ray has been? No speaking out, he avoided cameras as well it seems, wonder if Hecz put him in his place when he brought Dashy back as head huncho to show Rambo he doesn’t run shit. Thoughts ?
Facts. CDL coaches are basically restricted to hind sight advice when matches are playing. Which players themselves can probably figure out. Hind sight is 20/20 so if coaches aren’t allowed on stages they’re kinda pointless
I mean, he said alot to say nothing tbh even though i agree but its because in halo there USE to be elements in the game that took game knowledge to know. Coaches use to keep track of all the spawn timers of power ups and power weapons and announce when to start rotating for control of that area. Thats why i honestly hated them adding markers and spawn timers displayed in game. Itd be cool for spectating but in game they need to bring back having to learn the spawn times and actually timing them on pick up or if it was burned and would be random
Bro counter strike 1.6 coaches were the shit. Watch CoL at CPL and their coach. Dude is like pumping them up live, hyping them up, etc. Was intense lol
Granted this is coming from someone who was a generation too early for pro gaming but I feel like the Coach role was created because a team had that one friend that’s been with them from the beginning and needed to create position that justified paying in some way.
A coach brings shit to the table that you can’t get from stats if all your providing its stats break offs they just need an analyst literally no reason for a coach
I played H3 and MW2 competitively and I learned so much from Halo players showing me stuff compared to Cod players who just point out the obvious. Cod used to be a simple game to understand, Halo has always been more complex in its gameplay
A coach analyse others teams strats to count them, he imagines better strats adapted to the roster, he watches every scrims to find where are the weaknesses of the team. A cod coach isn't useless. For one time, Formal is thinking wrong.
That's what coaches do. They study how the opponents play and make a plan based on that. That's how boxing, football, american football, tennis coaches all work. So their players can focus on training and improving. Just because a player can do what a coach does, doesn't mean it's the best idea. I used to box and having someone watch the fight from the outside helps tremendously because they see more than I do and they know more. So I fail to see how his argument makes any sense
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Why’s Formal look like he’s Jack Blacks little brother? 😂
Ong bro got BIGGGGGGGG
He's definitely eating good
Plot twist: he is jack blacks brother
More like Jack's illegitimate child, with the Asian maid....
Way too over weight
He’s 100% right. You can’t coach a casual game with zero skill gap and RNG spawns.
literally, what is the coach even supposed to say in mw2? 😂😂😂
@@DopedopeDope- bro especially when this guy ray is recording just the map, bro those arrows are fucking pointless lmao
At the level he is talking about its no longer a casual game tho.
@@Boundyy idk bro. I could never kill a pro in csgo or halo. But I’ve at least dropped kills against cod pros in public matches. The ttk and lack of recoil make the skill gap noticeable in cod. The biggest gap was the jet packing cod games where movement made a huge difference in skill between players
@@masonharris1202 a public match is significantly different than a pro match. you cannot compare a casual public match to a pro game with money on the line and 50 thousand other people waiting to take your spot on the roster if you don't play well. at the professional level, as I said, it is no longer casual, its competitive.
I agree 100% with FormaL. I have always thought since CoD has had coaches, that they should be in stage with them, in the comms during the game. Telling them things like, someone on enemy team spawned out, look out for the flank/pinch, your 2 off your streaks, etc etc
they use to be allowed on the stage
@@n2itionTVi think they stopped allowing them on stage around AW or Ghosts
you just said everything he said.... lmao
Yeah i wish they went back to allowing coaches back on the stages but it's most likely not going to happen..
Wtf is spawned out supposed to mean?
incredible the physical changes of Formal and Karma
Formal looks like a South Park character
This fool needs an intervention. He’s 5 lbs heavier every time I see a new video of him. He has to be closing in on 300.
Cartman grew up
I didn’t even recognize him. Is he still competing? Or did he finally stop adderal and got hungry.
@@jamesp1289 HA
I get more of a mama fratelli from the goonies vibe
Dude looks like Jack Black and Chumlee's love child
Formal visibly looks like someone who sits and plays games all day
It’s sad to see. I’m grateful my metabolism is as good as it is. I eat some junk food
Yeah I think this dude needs to get back on a healthier track..hope he can find some time for his fitness/health
Yet he still makes money more than your brain numbing 9-5
Multi millionaire and the greatest multi fps player ever bro its worth it in his case
You forgot “and also gets paid handsomely for it.”
This was a hint that Rambo is destroying dashy career with his coaching
After last night I’m gonna have to agree with you on that one.
I was just about to comment this. After Dashy’s rant last night this clip doesn’t help Rambo’s case.
Cry harder. If Rambo was the issue why not get rid of him then?
@@Aquajoda He been good friends with Hecz for like a decade plus? You think nepotism doesn't exist or something?
@@Aquajoda friendship leauge. Pretty sick of it tbh. This is a clear example along with skrapz making it in for free. Really a buncha bs
When all my team dies first on SnD they all become coaches 😂
Halo coaches also have such a big impact due to the skill cieling that's involved in Halo.
I think the skill ceiling is pretty much the same on both games. It's honestly probably higher on CoD because the sheer amount of players. The more players there are, the harder it is to stand out when there are a million other people trying to be great. In Infinite, you could place top 16 just by going to an event and beating one team lol
@@davedanger4414 skill ceiling isn't the same based off the fact that cod TTK is so short on average, where as halo outside of power weapons, TTK is the same. So when you miss a shot or more, you'll most likely lose the fight. Whereas in cod, when you miss some shots, it doesn't matter cause the new FOTM gun kills in 0.2 seconds.
@@BlackMageX15 There is more to FPS games than TTK. Especially at a high level. Watch pros play Infinite. Movement is just as important on both games. Just the fact that there are a million other players widening the gap on CoD means that it'll take more skill to climb the ranks. I got to onyx 1900 on Infinite and I think I'm bad at it. I got to crimson on CoD. I don't think the skill gap between the two is crazy. If I'm able to get to a decent rank on Infinite without taking it serious, it can't be tht crazy.
@@davedanger4414that is laughable. Cod is so based on who sees who first. Skill gap from the ttk and movement mechanics is wayyy bigger on halo. Cod is way to catered to casuals
@@davedanger4414 Very little talented pro gamers will play on controller on halo or COD. Why waste your talent on two controller -based games? If the league koreans or counterstrike europeans/russians put their talents into either COD or Halo, you would never see any of those pros on the stage again bc their brains and coordination are levels above due to the amount of people they have to outcompete. So, if they trained on controller, it'd be done
Holy shit formal got big
Formal been looking like that for like 4 years now
Fr shit is crazy
I remember him from like Halo 4 mini tournaments.... Daamn
Damn formal really let himself go
Something must’ve happened in his personal life. I remember when he left halo and moved to cod, he was thin. But that was also 10 years ago 😂. Hopefully he finds the time and motivation to get fit.
Sitting down for a career does that to you.
-A crane operator
He stopped taking adderall started eating againand his metabolism is shot
He’s looking a lot better these days
@@isaacdoesevs2492if I’m not mistaken, it was because the pandemic happened + he was stuck in California instead of texas where the restrictions were lifted almost immediately so he wasn’t able to keep up with his physical health and basically just sat around at home all day
Holy shit formal is unrecognizable
Formal THICC
He s definitely eating good
@@concretgod8085 good for him
I just want that boy to thrive and live his best life.
Went from really attractive to looking like an umpalumpa
Facts no one was trying to say it cuz they didn't want to be fined
Bro needa different type of coach 😂
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
bro makes more than your whole fam combined. hes good G
@@booky8148 bros stomach is bigger than your whole fam combine too
@@booky8148man I used to be just like you getting mad when someone offended my favorite gamer and my exact response was that “he makes more then your family” until I found purpose more importantly God nothing is worth your health and purpose I rather never see a million dollars then lose my health and my only purpose being sitting and eating hope you snap out of that mentality
ill never understand why some esports don’t let coached in comms during games. imagine if NFL coaches weren’t allowed to interect with the team until the game ends😂
Dude dont compare esports to professional sports athletes put there all into playing football basketball etc
its the same shit. only difference is, physical sports are g@y, the other barely involves touching and spreading germs. hehe!@@Shel230
@@Shel230 why when they are comparable?
You talk to your coach in the dugout, on the sideline, between matches (tennis) golfers have caddies. wtf are you on about?! Not to mention calling timeout? 🐦 🧠
Formal has reached his final form Ssj3 jack black
Alright guys let's watch the mini map for two hours
Dang Formal hella biggggg now I remember thin formal back in the day
There’s only so much you can know/coach on cod. It’s literally all reaction time and good positioning with good aim of course. That’s really it. Games like rainbow,halo and such are more coach friendly to me….. unless the coach is in stage with you actually playing and giving you tips/callouts then they’re useless…..
kind of like the saying
“Everybody has a plan till they get punched in their face “💯
Formal looks like Formal that ate the fat Formal bro damn lol.
I think Halo has the right approach when it comes to coaching. It would make that role actually useful if they implemented that into other esports like LOL or Val.
They have coaches on stage in CS:GO.
@@Remu- damn didnt know that. Surprised valorant hasnt picked that up
should just be on the players when they're in game and playing. players should have to track times too and not rely on coaches to do it for them. coaches should only be able to talk during pauses mid game
@@PROTOTYPZ val has timeouts for coaches but thats about it
Exactly they need to be involved it’s like any sports having your coach callout little things, motivate and possibly adjust strategy mid game n mediate stressful moments can have a major impact on how teams perform overall n it gives the coach more of a purpose
Damn formal looks like he ate the younger formal.
I, like, like this guys take. It’s Cool to see, like, an inside view on the competitive, like, sweaty, like, head-to-head world of, like, professional gaming like stuff.
Formal gotta take care of himself more
He could have a medical condition.
@@quantumsirk223 Yea its called eatingtoomuchfood-itis
100% agree we have coaches and then we have IGLs (in game leader) a igl is the same thing but there is no point of a coach if you can’t hear him
Rambo crying somewhere
Rickie fowler ain’t aging well. Jesus.
This vid randomly came on my feed and I haven’t seen formal in a few years dude looks a lot bigger then he used to
Matt out here showing that love to the Halo coaches. I love it. ^_^
Dude needs a fitness coach more then anything
You need a spelling coach more THAN anything.
@@KriticullCTRL it would be a grammar coach you idiot.
@@KriticullCTRL at that point it’s not spelling it’s grammar who the fuck even cares
@@KriticullCTRLyou need a mid your fucking nerdy business coach more THAN anything.
Didn’t realise it was a discussion about Halo 3 and CoD 4 coaches, is this 2007? Get fucked, dude, what’s the point in body shaming anymore
I think coaches will always be value I think if anything this could be speaking for the quality of coaches in the cod scene a coach is someone who helps players fine tune their skills introduce new ideas as well as try and put them in better positions to win
Man, Formals a beast and always will be but man he has gained so much weight, he gotta do somethin bout it
*EDIT* THIS IS NOT ME HATING ON FORMAL AT ALL. Just wanna see the guy be able to live a long and successful life.
I mean I get 'fat formal' is like a meme but yeah, sooner or later he's gotta make some changes lol
@Charles Washington it's good advice.
@Charles Washington nah you chill we wanna see people healthy
@Charles Washington sorry about it but being fat isn’t living life buddy
@@Ghypzy would rather be fat famous and rich than skinny broke and a nobody
After Dashys spray, we know who this is directed to.
Formal has actually said this way before this episode or any of the drama that occurred
@@TheDirectorPro You are correct this episode was released recently but recorded before December update. It does fit pretty well with current situation tho lol
a cod coach is basically a team manager
Formal looks so unhealthy wtf
Halo coaches actually effected the whole game and the way they players moved
I’ve never had the conscience thought to come out and say “cod coaches are useless” but in a way I’ve always known it. I completely agree with formal on this. 100%.
Damn.. its official, formal has the lazy eye...
Formals such a legend I remember him destroying people in 1v1s on reach
God damn, Formal. What happened?
Too much food and not enough exercise simple as that
Sender, to me, is the one coach that is always worth it. Idk what it is but when he helps teams out they instantly improve.
Formal got thicccc since BO3😅
It also doesn’t help that we have squad spawns so even the coach is like wtf was that spawn? Ummmm fuck it! 😂😂😂
You ain't going to get no bs from formal. Always loved that about him.
Coaching a halo match is so fun. Being able to watch all four screens and direct the team from a birds eyes view is a huge advantage. If your good
The proof that coaching has absolutely no effect in Call of Duty is the fact that Pamaj is still an undefeated coach in Call of Duty despite not understanding competitive Call of Duty
Glad to see someone stand up for Dashy
The look by Trippy at the beginning. Dude knows.
I know this was when everything was going down. But I’ve see other comments and I was already wondering myself where Ray has been? No speaking out, he avoided cameras as well it seems, wonder if Hecz put him in his place when he brought Dashy back as head huncho to show Rambo he doesn’t run shit. Thoughts ?
Formal got big as shit
Bro i been saying this for the longest ☠️ he honestly needs to hit the weights
@@vigilr6595 nah he need to hit cardio to lose some weight before he gets heart failure. Screw the weights
I love how he talks about cod like it’s the nfl
Exactlyyy. I'm so confused. Never knew either was a thing
DAAMMMMMNNNN brutally honest good for you for being real about it
Only clicked because I thought this was Nacho Libre… this guy has no eagle powers
Nachoooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Formal gained 100 lbs and 35% more asian.
Atleast he’s eating good and not doing drugs like faze rain
@@otx4life885rain has been off drugs for awhile now. What you on lmao
he said on stream his parents are from Guam. So American? Its like referring to Hawaiians as Asian's IDK its just a word
God it's scary how big formal got
Facts. CDL coaches are basically restricted to hind sight advice when matches are playing. Which players themselves can probably figure out. Hind sight is 20/20 so if coaches aren’t allowed on stages they’re kinda pointless
He needs a fitness coach
Jesus, why did you bother saying that
@@parkerfitzgerald5430hateful people
This is why modern shooters are nothing like og games. Nobody was talking about ‘coaches’ in gaming 15 years ago, they were just having fun
Gawd he let himself go he doesn’t care anymore…
I mean he’s jus being blunt honestly. It’s not even a big deal tbf
@@aaron-damonkassner4715 I think he’s talking about his weight, which is true. Wanna see formal healthy
damn formal go for a walk buddy
I agree rambo is useless
I agreed
Formal looks like Eric Cartmen when they started playing world of Warcraft
Coaches are useful in cod. Gives you another set of eyes when reviewing your game.
Formal is a big boyyo, someone stop feeding that man
That’s exactly what a video game coach looked like in my mind…
You know he sneak dissin Rambo Ray when he "coached" optic 😂😂😂
This why we love Matt
Coaches are logistical managers for teams in the context of cod/halo
This dude looks like he’s gaming for a living.
Exactly why cod coaches need to be on stage in comms
I mean, he said alot to say nothing tbh even though i agree but its because in halo there USE to be elements in the game that took game knowledge to know.
Coaches use to keep track of all the spawn timers of power ups and power weapons and announce when to start rotating for control of that area.
Thats why i honestly hated them adding markers and spawn timers displayed in game.
Itd be cool for spectating but in game they need to bring back having to learn the spawn times and actually timing them on pick up or if it was burned and would be random
Bro counter strike 1.6 coaches were the shit. Watch CoL at CPL and their coach. Dude is like pumping them up live, hyping them up, etc. Was intense lol
Brooooo....who tf did formal consume. I watched him a few years ago he was...not a whale holy shit
I thought this was a jack black video when I clicked the thumbnail
Halo is just one of the hardest comp scenes out there literally top 2 and not 2
If Formal ever took a hill, by that I mean run up a hill, his heart would give out... and he would die... on that hill.
I still can’t believe how far behind the call of duty pro scene is/was to say it used to be one of the top 5 most paid esports to be a pro in
he's gonna eat through all the earnings
Formal worried about the wrong kind of weight
Man I can’t even tell the difference between his neck and his chin anymore 😞
Granted this is coming from someone who was a generation too early for pro gaming but I feel like the Coach role was created because a team had that one friend that’s been with them from the beginning and needed to create position that justified paying in some way.
I agree coaches are only needed in specific games and if they ain’t in your ear mid match then they aren’t coaching
I think cod coaches could be on stage and able to com in game and have access to their teams pov’s
Literally explaining what a coach or manager does 😂
A coach brings shit to the table that you can’t get from stats if all your providing its stats break offs they just need an analyst literally no reason for a coach
looks like formal and parasite had a baby lol
Homie I’m the brown coat looks like he’s scared to even look at FORMAL😂😂😂
I’ve never seen a professional gamer on the Internet, seem actually happy
Tsquared from Halo 3 era. He was soo motivated. He even had a collaboration with gamespot. Fraging like a pro
I played H3 and MW2 competitively and I learned so much from Halo players showing me stuff compared to Cod players who just point out the obvious. Cod used to be a simple game to understand, Halo has always been more complex in its gameplay
A coach analyse others teams strats to count them, he imagines better strats adapted to the roster, he watches every scrims to find where are the weaknesses of the team. A cod coach isn't useless. For one time, Formal is thinking wrong.
in my mind i heard "how much weight" I've gained instead of "how much weight players put into coaches"
Get that mf a damn salad goddamn bro
Mans gained 4x his body weight since cod ghosts
I've always wondered why the coaches aren't in the game with them in CoD, it would make way more sense
I clicked on this thinking it was a jack black skit
everytime a new vid comes out, he eats his former self.
It's very important that you edge the opponent
When did ESports get coaches?? Last time I saw a competitive halo event was halo 3 with like T Squared so this is new to me
Fun fact: After a while even Tsquared became coach. During Reach days I think.
That's what coaches do. They study how the opponents play and make a plan based on that. That's how boxing, football, american football, tennis coaches all work. So their players can focus on training and improving. Just because a player can do what a coach does, doesn't mean it's the best idea. I used to box and having someone watch the fight from the outside helps tremendously because they see more than I do and they know more. So I fail to see how his argument makes any sense