Peter Sumich, between 1990 and 1993, averaged 4.1 goals per game. 359 goals in 88 games. Between 1989 and 1997, he kicked 514 goals in 150 games averaging 3.4 goals per game.
Crazy to think Bruce and Dennis commentated this and the 2015 grand final between the two teams. Plus both still commented today (Dennis does Perth games on mix 94.5/Triple M )
Those closing words, Joyce who has tried but cannot replace that hole, Dermott who loved , lived and played and won coming to terms with getting older and the past, Jason Duntsall who was a consummate team player and knew what he was doing at the time he was doing it. Tuck ? The most amazing Captain in Hawthorn and VFL/AFL history . These men played hard and bonded and made history and you cannot take that away from them.
Unfortunately we fell right back down to earth in 2020. However the talent coming through is yet again very promising and we still have the star talent like Tom Mitchell, O Meara, Shiels, Breust, Gunston plus the young guns in Worpel, Day, Lewis, Koschitzke, Jiath, Brockman, Moore.
What a heartbreaking day for us little Perth kids that was. We were like "but we're the best aren't we?" No. Turns out in the cauldron of finals football the Eagles had a thing or 2 to learn still.
Thanks for posting such an enjoyable experience watching this , what Alan Joyce said also your coaching one day but when its all comes down its a lonely world , I wonder how many afl past player and coach suffer depression
In 2009 I had a job in a nearby nursery in Springvale road . One day I delivered some plants to a house next to the old Waverley park . Very eerie feeling walking around the ground having gone to so many games there since 1977 .
A very different atmosphere to say the least but a grand final that will never be forgotten. I'm quite surprised as well that not one of the hawthorn players made the all Australian team that year in 1991.
Great documentary, was in the cheer squad that day, 10mins before 3 qtr time we felt the breeze pick up and despite only having a 10 point lead at the break we were going to win it.
This day was magic for me. It was the first time I went to a GF with mates instead of family. As a hawk supporter GFs were pretty common. Out at Waverly it was always going to favour the Hawks but but going down five goals with Sumich kicking goals early it was looking grim. I was sitting right next to the WC cheer squad and prepared for a long day watching them celebrate. Thankfully it was them watching me (I wonder how many of them wanted to strangle me)
A very historic occasion. Regardless of the lop-sided result, it will always be known as the only time that VFL Park/Waverley got to host the AFL Grand Final. It's such a shame that the ground no longer exists, and was demolished to be replaced with a housing estate. Who knows what it could have been today if a little bit of time, effort, and money had been put in to make it a truly world class stadium?
Yep. Let’s see them move afl game out of the G for soccer friendlies if they threatened to move the grand final to the mcg. Docklands is too small to make that threat
Of Chris Lewis... when he shook his head and shook the hand of Gary Ablett snr after a power performance, to me was so honourable that it actually was a positive on Chris Lewis, a true sporting gesture .A Young man, beautiful smile but failed maturity. If you had a speach impediment and people kept going num num nuff nuff what would you do ! Give up. No way. Never ever be owned by the political narrative... dont be the puppet. love yous all !! Go Chris...
PS... Hawthorn played eagles in perth near end season... lost by 8 goals but had their measure... Paul Dear also near seasons end stamped an authority that was marching to the moment... an historical perspective.
Love that Porter quote to begin with. #1991grandfinal And seeing Dermie coaching the #ejwhittenlegendsteam - to think in 1991 #teddywhitten was still alive and #stateoforigin was actually still around - #victoria versus #westernaustralia . #intenserivalry
Or #marvelstadium as it is now - having seen the #marvelstadium in #basketball in that international context ... I have enjoyed both #waverley and #docklands as of 1995-2000.
The same thing has now happened to both Football Park and Subiaco Oval that happened to Waverley. Perfectly good football stadiums that could have been world class if they were done up to modern day standards. Someone obviously felt that demolishing them and replacing them with housing estates was a better idea.
Adelaide Dupont yeah let’s see the mcg move football out for soccer if the afl had waverly to threaten their rights to hosting grand final. They do it now because they know Docklands can’t hold Dick
Waverley was a fantastic ground. Ego Maguire and Pigs arse wanted it closed because Hawthorn and St Kida were starting to get a lot of new fans because the SE suburbs in the fastest growing place in Melbourne. Pure jealousy
Was earmarked for closure way before Eddie became president - so you talking out of your Kybher Pass. Here is an article that explains the reasoning behind dumping it...and it had zero to do with either Hawthorn or St Kilda: www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/it-doesnt-matter-now-waverleys-history/story-e6frf9n6-1225766945322
I remember it was slated for closure from the mid 1990s mate. Others claim that the death knell came even earlier, in 1988 when the decision was made to build a new Great Southern Stand at the MCG with state of the art corporate facilities. Has nothing to do with Eddie or Jack Elliott. Moreover, the ground was built in the middle of a rain belt. When the VFL wanted to build its own ground back in the 1950's, the sites offered up were Greensborough (has a train line), Epping (has a train line) and the Show Grounds (train/tram). Instead, against all logic, they chose Waverley. Why? The president of the VFL at that time Sir Kenneth Luke owned the near worthless farmland out at Waverley and in a COI, he signed off on selling his own land to the VFL whom he was president of. On a raining day (which was a lot out at Waverley), there was literally nowhere to hide. I got drenched out there a number of times. And that car park?? What a disaster that was to get out of. I have happy memories of the ground because the Pies used to play there 7-8 times a year and we used to win most of our games there, but, I wasn't surprised when they go rid of the place.
For some reason I was under some delusion there was no racial vilification back then. It was a shock to find out some truths about my beloved Hawks and what was termed the Norm... Chris Lewis has lost the smile lets hope Australia can lose the racist tag.
@MU FC soccer is the worst sport in the world. It’s not number 1 in Australia, Japan, Philippines, New Zealand, Ireland, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, USA, Canada, Cuba. The A-league is almost bankrupt as no one goes or even watches it because of the more popular sports Australian rules and rugby league. Although not number one in wild or nsw, it’s still MASSIVE in those states. Check yourself before you wreck yourself
Only thing that makes Dermott different from most sledgers is that he is one of the few that admits he did it. Sad thing is he'd never say it if he had a black teammate, competitiveness brings out the worst in people. The hordes of people in England and Australia booing black athletes was an ugly reflection of society, now we're just hiding the ugliness better. Get some self perspective though people dissing Dermie, I don't see any of you angry that he'd injure people to win a game which is just as terrible as hurting someone by singling them out. Doesn't matter as much as assuring yourself that you're a good person, does it?
***** I'm mostly doing it because it seems to troll Hawthorn supporters because they're pigs. I also don't care for anything PC. Though, Dermott was and is a racist whichever way you look at it.
Dermie didn't mince his words, it was a win at all cost mentality. I wouldn't call it crossing a line - it was more about educating the players. Same couldn't be said for the Australian Cricket team.
Paul O'Hara dermie definitely crossed the line resorting to those tactics is bullshit. Couldn’t win with honour and fair play so decided play dirty and taunt with racial slurs. Poor form
Tucky believed he could go again and someone who had achieved what he did for the club should’ve been given the respect and allowed to go on. He wasn’t and hawthorn wouldn’t win another flag for 17 years which was the number of the great man... now that is a genuine curse.
One thing I will say: don't you think its interesting how Hawthorn initially fought for respect, though once they became a Premiership powerhouse, what happened??? Where's the respect for your opposition??? I'm really not a fan of WCE but I am of Hawthorn. However, after seeing this grand final I've gained great respect for WCE (not to mention 2005/2006) as a team and I realise they ARE a team with spirit rather than a franchise. They were tested harshly, unfairly, and unlawfully, and they came out the nobles of the game. Sad for me to say, Hawthorn, as a team, in that single game, made me sick. Dishonourable, spineless acts (that marred their talent and experience) helped win them that game. To win without honour is not winning at all. In saying that, CARN YOU BLOODS!!! AUT VINCERE AUT MORI 2014!!!
2014 Grand Final... Hawthorn 21.11 (137) def. Sydney 11.8 (74) The biggest grand final thrashing of a top of the ladder team in VFL & AFL history. Hahaha. Go Hawks! Another September day of honour and prestige for the most successful club of the modern era.
An interesting look at the 1991 Grand Final. It is a valuable historical document as the sole Grand Final at now-demolished Waverley Park - a ground whose fate was settled by road lobby power and local indifference. rather than pre-game entertainment, it would have been better to look with more detail at this “season of two seasons”, especially at the Eagles’ invincibility in the dry first half and Hawthorn’s devastating run in the wet second half.
@@adelaidedupont9017It was certainly a contrast - third-wettest winter on record in Melbourne after a very dry autumn. What people forget is that in the first nine rounds West Coast were at least as dominant - possibly more so - as Essendon in 2000, Geelong in 2007 and 2008, St. Kilda in 2009 or Collingwood in 2011. In the dry conditions of autumn the Eagles were simply too hard and too fast - I have come to think of the 1991 Eagles as the football equivalent of the West Indies cricket teams of the 1980s. So solid was the Eagle defence that it averaged only 58 points against in the first nine rounds! At that stage the Eagles were on pace for the best defensive record by points per game since Geelong in 1964, when the average score was 38 points smaller. However, the slower Melbourne grounds of the second wet half of 1991 did not take the Eaglesʼ great pace. In contrast, a drier climate - of course due to the inability of the rest of the world to enforce deep, rapid greenhouse gas emissions cuts upon Australia and the Gulf States (and the global ruling elite would never contemplate trying no matter how urgent it be) - artificial drying of grounds and a closed roof stadium meant Essendon in 2000, and several teams since 2007, did not have to be so ahead of their competitors to be sure of establishing a record for wins.
I dont barrack for either clubs but I want to say that these were the real days of true Aussie Rules not the joke of a game it has become today. AFL from mid 2000's onwards has become laughable with all the off field antics of over paid footballers so much so I hardly watch it anymore. It has become a game for pansies and softies almost non contact to a point look at how much stuff went un noticed then that has marred the game today. Well done to both clubs this is what footy was about as Dermie said whatever it takes obviously within reason and a code of ethics but hey if they are trying to kill the competitive nature of our players then why play at all
Probably why contact was less noticed is something never said: a cooler and wetter climate throughout southern Australia plus the absence of the closed roof at Docklands meant that grounds upon contact with players could take much more punishment and produced less wear on bodies. One notices this a lot from watching old football games at Waverley - which is actually climatically much MORE representative of the southern half of Victoria than is the MCG or Kardinia Park due to being less sheltered from the Westerlies by the Otway and Macedon Ranges.
Coasters lost only 3 games that year ,1981 ,,with a 165% they keep under performing they should have won 3 or 4 flags in the early 90's should've won 05 & 06 should've won 2 of the past 4 yrs , Alan Joyce learnt all his skills at East Fremantle thruout the 70's ,, !!!
,,, of which the last game of the season they lost to Fitzroy , as they'd end up on top any way., beat Hawthorn by 15 goals earlier in Melbourne & 5 goals in Perth GF at Waverly didn't help
Mate Hawthorn are the goats of Grand Finals if we lose Grand finals, we come back the next year reverse the result and then do it for another two years, if we lose a grand final and don’t make it back and win it the next year that’s the worst fail in Hawthorns history.
@@sliat1981 You don't know what she knew because you're not a mind reader. She was barely a teenager and very much a child, frightened out of her wits by the whole saga. You make criticism of her father for being "racist"and "Collingwood supporting". Perhaps the Swans supporters (or whoever your club is) are superior to the Collingwood supporters, are they ? I support the Hawks, myself. Hope that's not a reason to denigrate me. I'm a 6'5" ex Aussie rules ruckman and I've been called exactly that ("A Big Ape") myself, on numerous occasions by opposition players and fans. Yet I'm caucasian. If she'd called him a "Boong", A"Black C___"or a "Ni____", you would have a point but she didn't, and I venture to say that the whole sorry event damaged the child psychologically.
scoldedcat give me a break, you don’t presume to know what she meant either. Regardless her father didn’t allow it, but like the ones who taunted Nicky Winmar he allowed it. Yeah Collingwood supporters have a history of this. Come on, let’s it pretend for one second it was about being big or anything. You know full what it was about. If my daughter ever said that to a black person, she’d get a clip over the eat. I’d never allow her to be so racist. I bet you didn’t have the same reaction when Rex Hunt made that comment about that Collingwood playet
All players had their faults. So easy to put it on Hawthorn. Eagles were’nt perfect either. Put a bit of fairness in your comments. The game was played hard and fast in those days and racism wasn’t viewed as it is today. We all try to have more respect nowadays towards Aboriginal race. A good thing too.
Quite frankly, the umpiring at this Grand Final was one of the most disgraceful expositions of the craft in VFL AFL history. They were not impartial until the stats caught up with them. After that it became even more ridiculous!
Paul Hudson is a spitting image of his legendary father. Michael Tuck played in a very impressive 11 Grand Finals (1975, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991) winning an unequalled seven premierships
Greatest team of the modern era just ahead of Brisbane 2001-2004 and Geelong 2007-2011 and Hawthorn 2012-2016. Making 7 consecutive grand finals and 8 in 9 years for 5 flags is almost beyond belief, and I'm an unbiased Tiger.
Best team of all time. Look at the names, legacy. The hawthorn 82_94 era the best in Aussie rules for me. The names. Tuck,dermie,chief,mew,aryes, Langford,Matthews, Eade, Wallace, Pritchard,dipper,Kennedy,Collins,knights, Bucky,platten
I loved Chris Lewis and had no idea that he was subjected to such cruelty from the Hawthorn players. Society did need to change but we've overcompensated to some degree. Now we look to condemn racial vilification obsessively, whether real or perceived. There needs to be a balance.
Chris Lewis had it real tough. Met him one night and what a legend of a bloke
Last ever jumper swap after a grand final
what a great doco sent shivers down my spine
The only grand final I attended. My mum worked there so I always got in for free. It was like my playground
Peter Sumich, between 1990 and 1993, averaged 4.1 goals per game. 359 goals in 88 games. Between 1989 and 1997, he kicked 514 goals in 150 games averaging 3.4 goals per game.
Crazy to think Bruce and Dennis commentated this and the 2015 grand final between the two teams. Plus both still commented today (Dennis does Perth games on mix 94.5/Triple M )
Those closing words, Joyce who has tried but cannot replace that hole, Dermott who loved , lived and played and won coming to terms with getting older and the past, Jason Duntsall who was a consummate team player and knew what he was doing at the time he was doing it. Tuck ? The most amazing Captain in Hawthorn and VFL/AFL history . These men played hard and bonded and made history and you cannot take that away from them.
It's now 2020. For the last 50 years Hawthorn have been a club above all the others.
Unfortunately we fell right back down to earth in 2020. However the talent coming through is yet again very promising and we still have the star talent like Tom Mitchell, O Meara, Shiels, Breust, Gunston plus the young guns in Worpel, Day, Lewis, Koschitzke, Jiath, Brockman, Moore.
back in the good old days of 25min quarters!
Matthew Caligari . .
RIP Chris Mainwaring ❤️
hell of a footballer
I think Alan Joyce was my tour guide of the MCG one day in March 2014.
He seemed like a nice man.
He's a lovely man, I played footy with his son who is a ripping lad too, worked at the Kangas for many years.
Footscray were idiot for getting rid of him
love the banter between Chief and Derm
What a heartbreaking day for us little Perth kids that was. We were like "but we're the best aren't we?" No. Turns out in the cauldron of finals football the Eagles had a thing or 2 to learn still.
Thanks for posting such an enjoyable experience watching this , what Alan Joyce said also your coaching one day but when its all comes down its a lonely world , I wonder how many afl past player and coach suffer depression
In 2009 I had a job in a nearby nursery in Springvale road . One day I delivered some plants to a house next to the old Waverley park . Very eerie feeling walking around the ground having gone to so many games there since 1977 .
Peter Green Springvale rd is nowhere near Waverley park
@@sliat1981 its about 2km. Hardly a big distance.
TheYoumakemesick nowhere near
@@sliat1981 righto.
TheYoumakemesick that’s right
A very different atmosphere to say the least but a grand final that will never be forgotten. I'm quite surprised as well that not one of the hawthorn players made the all Australian team that year in 1991.
...that is weird.
Great documentary, was in the cheer squad that day, 10mins before 3 qtr time we felt the breeze pick up and despite only having a 10 point lead at the break we were going to win it.
have played in and lost 4 grand finals, cried like a baby after the 1st one, very tough to lose them
This day was magic for me. It was the first time I went to a GF with mates instead of family. As a hawk supporter GFs were pretty common. Out at Waverly it was always going to favour the Hawks but but going down five goals with Sumich kicking goals early it was looking grim. I was sitting right next to the WC cheer squad and prepared for a long day watching them celebrate. Thankfully it was them watching me (I wonder how many of them wanted to strangle me)
A very historic occasion. Regardless of the lop-sided result, it will always be known as the only time that VFL Park/Waverley got to host the AFL Grand Final. It's such a shame that the ground no longer exists, and was demolished to be replaced with a housing estate. Who knows what it could have been today if a little bit of time, effort, and money had been put in to make it a truly world class stadium?
Well it’s currently Hawthorns training base, but yeah you’re right it’s more so the grounds built around the houses instead of it being the other way.
Yep. Let’s see them move afl game out of the G for soccer friendlies if they threatened to move the grand final to the mcg. Docklands is too small to make that threat
From great Football Club cultures ,
courage and determination will rise to greater levels than their opposition .
Of Chris Lewis... when he shook his head and shook the hand of Gary Ablett snr after a power performance, to me was so honourable that it actually was a positive on Chris Lewis, a true sporting gesture .A Young man, beautiful smile but failed maturity. If you had a speach impediment and people kept going num num nuff nuff what would you do ! Give up. No way. Never ever be owned by the political narrative... dont be the puppet. love yous all !!
Go Chris...
PS... Hawthorn played eagles in perth near end season... lost by 8 goals but had their measure... Paul Dear also near seasons end stamped an authority that was marching to the moment... an historical perspective.
Eagles lost first final in Perth to Hawthornthat year.Had two goes and did not get close.
Love that Porter quote to begin with. #1991grandfinal And seeing Dermie coaching the #ejwhittenlegendsteam - to think in 1991 #teddywhitten was still alive and #stateoforigin was actually still around - #victoria versus #westernaustralia . #intenserivalry
This has a familiar feel to the way the 1996 Grand Final start with Sydney vs North.
Should have done one for the 1992 Premiership
sdb4884 seems unfair that Hawthorn are the only team who have two premiership documentaries (1971-1991)
sdb4884 3 actually (1971-1989-1991)
@@sliat1981 this feels like more of an Eagles documentary anyway
swarbs13 so it should
@@sliat1981 well Peter Dickson is the late Rob Dickson's brother - Rob played for the Hawks.
23:00 - Perth at 5pm on any given Friday afternoon
Surprised all of the magnificent seven weren’t in the video
why wasn't chris lewis australian of the year?
He was reported for biting Todd Viney in Round 16 - that would be reason enough to not gain that honour.
waverly park was 1000000 times better than docklands
Or #marvelstadium as it is now - having seen the #marvelstadium in #basketball in that international context ... I have enjoyed both #waverley and #docklands as of 1995-2000.
The same thing has now happened to both Football Park and Subiaco Oval that happened to Waverley. Perfectly good football stadiums that could have been world class if they were done up to modern day standards. Someone obviously felt that demolishing them and replacing them with housing estates was a better idea.
Adelaide Dupont yeah let’s see the mcg move football out for soccer if the afl had waverly to threaten their rights to hosting grand final. They do it now because they know Docklands can’t hold Dick
Waverley was a fantastic ground. Ego Maguire and Pigs arse wanted it closed because Hawthorn and St Kida were starting to get a lot of new fans because the SE suburbs in the fastest growing place in Melbourne. Pure jealousy
Was earmarked for closure way before Eddie became president - so you talking out of your Kybher Pass. Here is an article that explains the reasoning behind dumping it...and it had zero to do with either Hawthorn or St Kilda: www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/it-doesnt-matter-now-waverleys-history/story-e6frf9n6-1225766945322
+Vic Nicholas don't believe that crap for a second
I remember it was slated for closure from the mid 1990s mate. Others claim that the death knell came even earlier, in 1988 when the decision was made to build a new Great Southern Stand at the MCG with state of the art corporate facilities. Has nothing to do with Eddie or Jack Elliott. Moreover, the ground was built in the middle of a rain belt. When the VFL wanted to build its own ground back in the 1950's, the sites offered up were Greensborough (has a train line), Epping (has a train line) and the Show Grounds (train/tram). Instead, against all logic, they chose Waverley. Why? The president of the VFL at that time Sir Kenneth Luke owned the near worthless farmland out at Waverley and in a COI, he signed off on selling his own land to the VFL whom he was president of. On a raining day (which was a lot out at Waverley), there was literally nowhere to hide. I got drenched out there a number of times. And that car park?? What a disaster that was to get out of. I have happy memories of the ground because the Pies used to play there 7-8 times a year and we used to win most of our games there, but, I wasn't surprised when they go rid of the place.
+Vic Nicholas oh boo hoo you got wet at a footy game! It's a winter sport mate, get over it
The playing surface - while big - was pretty good. On the other hand, the stands were an ugly Stalinist concrete dump. I am not sorry that it is gone.
R.I.P Paul Dear.
For some reason I was under some delusion there was no racial vilification back then. It was a shock to find out some truths about my beloved Hawks and what was termed the Norm... Chris Lewis has lost the smile lets hope Australia can lose the racist tag.
Racism was prevalent in all clubs to a degree back then.
They were the last team to have an aboriginal player
@MU FC soccer is the worst sport in the world. It’s not number 1 in Australia, Japan, Philippines, New Zealand, Ireland, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, USA, Canada, Cuba. The A-league is almost bankrupt as no one goes or even watches it because of the more popular sports Australian rules and rugby league. Although not number one in wild or nsw, it’s still MASSIVE in those states.
Check yourself before you wreck yourself
I think we're now the least racist country.
Only thing that makes Dermott different from most sledgers is that he is one of the few that admits he did it. Sad thing is he'd never say it if he had a black teammate, competitiveness brings out the worst in people. The hordes of people in England and Australia booing black athletes was an ugly reflection of society, now we're just hiding the ugliness better. Get some self perspective though people dissing Dermie, I don't see any of you angry that he'd injure people to win a game which is just as terrible as hurting someone by singling them out. Doesn't matter as much as assuring yourself that you're a good person, does it?
I really admire your words. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Spaced92 He admits it due to his media career. He's still a closet racist.
*****
Hawthorn supporter?
*****
I'm mostly doing it because it seems to troll Hawthorn supporters because they're pigs. I also don't care for anything PC. Though, Dermott was and is a racist whichever way you look at it.
*****
lol. Just shut the fuck up.
Angry Anderson in the bat mobile 🤣 that is Gold 🤣🤣
I love that the West Coast Eagles Got the 92 cup
6:50 what's the music name in the background
Dermie didn't mince his words, it was a win at all cost mentality. I wouldn't call it crossing a line - it was more about educating the players. Same couldn't be said for the Australian Cricket team.
Paul O'Hara dermie definitely crossed the line resorting to those tactics is bullshit. Couldn’t win with honour and fair play so decided play dirty and taunt with racial slurs. Poor form
Please don't call the grand final >vomit< the big dance :/
Tucky believed he could go again and someone who had achieved what he did for the club should’ve been given the respect and allowed to go on. He wasn’t and hawthorn wouldn’t win another flag for 17 years which was the number of the great man... now that is a genuine curse.
There’s no such thing as a curse, genuine or otherwise.
Tucky May have believed he could go on, but the game’s bigger than any one player.
One thing I will say: don't you think its interesting how Hawthorn initially fought for respect, though once they became a Premiership powerhouse, what happened??? Where's the respect for your opposition???
I'm really not a fan of WCE but I am of Hawthorn. However, after seeing this grand final I've gained great respect for WCE (not to mention 2005/2006) as a team and I realise they ARE a team with spirit rather than a franchise. They were tested harshly, unfairly, and unlawfully, and they came out the nobles of the game. Sad for me to say, Hawthorn, as a team, in that single game, made me sick. Dishonourable, spineless acts (that marred their talent and experience) helped win them that game. To win without honour is not winning at all.
In saying that, CARN YOU BLOODS!!!
AUT VINCERE AUT MORI 2014!!!
2014 Grand Final... Hawthorn 21.11 (137) def. Sydney 11.8 (74)
The biggest grand final thrashing of a top of the ladder team in VFL & AFL history. Hahaha. Go Hawks!
Another September day of honour and prestige for the most successful club of the modern era.
Chris Lewis big respect good onya mate
Awesome
Didn’t realise brereton and dunstall hated each other
They’re not great mates, but that was largely tongue in cheek...
yeah good comment what do you do?
An interesting look at the 1991 Grand Final. It is a valuable historical document as the sole Grand Final at now-demolished Waverley Park - a ground whose fate was settled by road lobby power and local indifference.
rather than pre-game entertainment, it would have been better to look with more detail at this “season of two seasons”, especially at the Eagles’ invincibility in the dry first half and Hawthorn’s devastating run in the wet second half.
It really was the #wetseason and the #dryseason wasn't it? And that does bring a new significance to the beginning of the #nationalcompetition.
@@adelaidedupont9017It was certainly a contrast - third-wettest winter on record in Melbourne after a very dry autumn.
What people forget is that in the first nine rounds West Coast were at least as dominant - possibly more so - as Essendon in 2000, Geelong in 2007 and 2008, St. Kilda in 2009 or Collingwood in 2011. In the dry conditions of autumn the Eagles were simply too hard and too fast - I have come to think of the 1991 Eagles as the football equivalent of the West Indies cricket teams of the 1980s. So solid was the Eagle defence that it averaged only 58 points against in the first nine rounds! At that stage the Eagles were on pace for the best defensive record by points per game since Geelong in 1964, when the average score was 38 points smaller.
However, the slower Melbourne grounds of the second wet half of 1991 did not take the Eaglesʼ great pace. In contrast, a drier climate - of course due to the inability of the rest of the world to enforce deep, rapid greenhouse gas emissions cuts upon Australia and the Gulf States (and the global ruling elite would never contemplate trying no matter how urgent it be) - artificial drying of grounds and a closed roof stadium meant Essendon in 2000, and several teams since 2007, did not have to be so ahead of their competitors to be sure of establishing a record for wins.
$16.50 for a Qualifying final- those were the days
Memor Esto yeh and you could pie a 4 and 20 and a coke.
Based on what?
Vale Paul Dear.
Gordan Ramsy??
Dude - that made me laugh because I know exactly who you were referring to!
Who??
lee cummings your spelling. Urgh
lee cummings wow that was a pretty good comeback. For a 5 year old
lee cummings oh. Brilliant. Maybe we can graduate to 6 grade insults next?
Hawthorn supporters r people who cry when they lose
A salty west coast eagles fan lmfao
@@shinjuku96jackson4 don’t laugh too hard you might shit yourself.
I dont barrack for either clubs but I want to say that these were the real days of true Aussie Rules not the joke of a game it has become today. AFL from mid 2000's onwards has become laughable with all the off field antics of over paid footballers so much so I hardly watch it anymore.
It has become a game for pansies and softies almost non contact to a point look at how much stuff went un noticed then that has marred the game today. Well done to both clubs this is what footy was about as Dermie said whatever it takes obviously within reason and a code of ethics but hey if they are trying to kill the competitive nature of our players then why play at all
Probably why contact was less noticed is something never said: a cooler and wetter climate throughout southern Australia plus the absence of the closed roof at Docklands meant that grounds upon contact with players could take much more punishment and produced less wear on bodies. One notices this a lot from watching old football games at Waverley - which is actually climatically much MORE representative of the southern half of Victoria than is the MCG or Kardinia Park due to being less sheltered from the Westerlies by the Otway and Macedon Ranges.
guodade players and supporters have a lot to learn from the old days. I can’t believe people hated Waverley because you got wet when it rained. HTFU!
Coasters lost only 3 games that year ,1981 ,,with a 165%
they keep under performing
they should have won 3 or 4 flags in the early 90's
should've won 05 & 06
should've won 2 of the past 4 yrs ,
Alan Joyce learnt all his skills at East Fremantle thruout the 70's ,, !!!
Eh? They were only formed in 1986. 1981 the league was fully Victorian
dermottt brereton is such a tool. why does he still think he is a playboy teenager
,,, of which the last game of the season they lost to Fitzroy , as they'd end up on top any way.,
beat Hawthorn by 15 goals earlier in Melbourne & 5 goals in Perth
GF at Waverly didn't help
Mate Hawthorn are the goats of Grand Finals if we lose Grand finals, we come back the next year reverse the result and then do it for another two years, if we lose a grand final and don’t make it back and win it the next year that’s the worst fail in Hawthorns history.
pretty disgraceful stuff in those days to openly racially abuse players. Thankfully Dermot recognizes that it was wrong!
dawit thebigdog yet he defended the Collingwood supporter calling Goodes an ape
@@sliat1981 He defended a little girl who was taken out of context.
scoldedcat no, she was a teenager and knew what she was doing. And her racist Collingwood supporting father allowed it
@@sliat1981 You don't know what she knew because you're not a mind reader. She was barely a teenager and very much a child, frightened out of her wits by the whole saga.
You make criticism of her father for being "racist"and "Collingwood supporting". Perhaps the Swans supporters (or whoever your club is) are superior to the Collingwood supporters, are they ? I support the Hawks, myself. Hope that's not a reason to denigrate me.
I'm a 6'5" ex Aussie rules ruckman and I've been called exactly that ("A Big Ape") myself, on numerous occasions by opposition players and fans. Yet I'm caucasian.
If she'd called him a "Boong", A"Black C___"or a "Ni____", you would have a point but she didn't, and I venture to say that the whole sorry event damaged the child psychologically.
scoldedcat give me a break, you don’t presume to know what she meant either. Regardless her father didn’t allow it, but like the ones who taunted Nicky Winmar he allowed it. Yeah Collingwood supporters have a history of this.
Come on, let’s it pretend for one second it was about being big or anything. You know full what it was about. If my daughter ever said that to a black person, she’d get a clip over the eat. I’d never allow her to be so racist.
I bet you didn’t have the same reaction when Rex Hunt made that comment about that Collingwood playet
Why didn’t Dipper play?
Jack Eastwood wasn’t selected. He was all but retired and well under form
Never did one for 1992, typical Victorian Bias.
Watch the 2001 Final Story if you want a non-Victorian Final Story
Get over yourself guy McKenna.
All players had their faults. So easy to put it on Hawthorn. Eagles were’nt perfect either. Put a bit of fairness in your comments. The game was played hard and fast in those days and racism wasn’t viewed as it is today. We all try to have more respect nowadays towards Aboriginal race. A good thing too.
Carrrrrrrrrna Hawkerrrrrs
Then heaps drugs they win a flag cocaine eagles
Good on ya langiers haha
Quite frankly, the umpiring at this Grand Final was one of the most disgraceful expositions of the craft in VFL AFL history. They were not impartial until the stats caught up with them. After that it became even more ridiculous!
Bite him Lewis!
Paul Hudson is a spitting image of his legendary father. Michael Tuck played in a very impressive 11 Grand Finals (1975, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991) winning an unequalled seven premierships
Tuck, to Brereton, to Mew, to Dunstall. What more can you say.
Greatest team of the modern era just ahead of Brisbane 2001-2004 and Geelong 2007-2011 and Hawthorn 2012-2016. Making 7 consecutive grand finals and 8 in 9 years for 5 flags is almost beyond belief, and I'm an unbiased Tiger.
Honourable mention to West Coast 1991-1994 ..
@@johnarundell7951 So that's five #championteams.
"..... to goal".
Best team of all time. Look at the names, legacy. The hawthorn 82_94 era the best in Aussie rules for me. The names. Tuck,dermie,chief,mew,aryes, Langford,Matthews, Eade, Wallace, Pritchard,dipper,Kennedy,Collins,knights, Bucky,platten
hahaha. Paul Dear still had his mouth guard in when receiving the NS medal
As a hawthorn supporter from WA it’s very conflicting to watch a hawks west coast GF
I loved Chris Lewis and had no idea that he was subjected to such cruelty from the Hawthorn players. Society did need to change but we've overcompensated to some degree.
Now we look to condemn racial vilification obsessively, whether real or perceived.
There needs to be a balance.