Thanks as always for your creative, thoughtful, and BALANCED perspective! If only all of we responders below were as fair and balanced as you. 🙂 You asked about Freelance Soundlabs NKS templates. A couple of pros, several cons: Pros - A lot of 'non-NKS-compatible' libraries (e.g., Omnisphere, Keyscape, Analog Lab) have been made much more browsable and editable (are these words?) in KK and Maschine. - and fairly affordably, especially if you consider the amount of time these guys must spend to put together the database and image files it takes for even a single instrument/library. Cons - The $ and complexity will add up if you have a lot of products/user libraries you want to add. I have Omnisphere and two Sonic Extensions and a bunch of user patch libraries. Each of these are separate templates, which means separate co$t$, and separate installs. - Their template may not match the button/knob/parameter setup you want in your editing. (You built a MIDI template for Omnisphere that reflected your preferences in editing.) - You must use KK to use these templates. You don't have to with your built-in MIDI template. I would enjoy you doing a video on one of their templates (e.g., Omnisphere w/ Unclean Machines?), and getting your perspective on pros/cons. Oh one other thing you might like about their templates. You get to see the Omnisphere jpg. ;-)
Freelance Sound Labs...if you haven't heard...this guy devotes most of his time to creating third party NKS compatibility (Komplete & Maschine) for a very broad range of unsupported VSTs - and it works like a charm. To date, I can load: Omnisphere 2, most of UVI like augmented orchestra, Quadra, Falcon (plus expansions), Steinberg stuffs like Padshop, Halion, Arturia Analog Lab, Cube, Iris 2 ...all within the KK environment...includes mapping, previews, tagging etc. He covers probably about 50% of the popular ones out there. Tested and works on KK MRK 2 and Maschine MRK 3
I agree with i purchased omnisphere 2 last nks mappings but having had some problems since 3.0.. i installed the vst3 version. im going to check and reinstall again .
They work on mk2 keyboards with superior filter selection, eg being able to choose a sound in a particular bank. That's yet another thing they removed for mk3 grrr
I rely on MIDI templates for controlling external synths, so I've been holding off on getting a mk3 until they added this feature. It's finally here, and fortunately, they did a solid job on it, so I just got an S61 mk3. What an awesome keyboard! The keys feel fantastic. Aftertouch is really smooth and easy to control expressively. The screen is beautiful. A very worthy successor to my old S49 mk1. For most plugins, it's better to just load the plugin in Komplete Kontrol, edit the controls there, and save that as an NKS preset. You get better two-way communication, with the values on the keyboard updating as you change them in the plugin. Many controls have more useful values as well (like Hz for cutoff or LFO rate, time values for envelopes, etc., instead of just 0-127).
Very cool. I'm still with my Mk2 and will probably be hanging onto it for a while until NI gets the firmware for the Mk3 more mature. The Mk2 is still a really nice piece of kit.
@@someinternetrando4993 I only really worked with the MK2, Maschine and the Jam a little bit for a live looping thing and it was amazing... If I did more of that stuff I'd probably stick with it for now!
Glad to see interesting updates like this. I won’t buy before maschine-integration is there, though. Too happy with maschine - kk mk2 combi still. A maschine version of the kk mk3, I’d buy in an instant.
Beta tested this functionality for NI. I know it took WAY too long for us to get it and it should have been there from day one - but damn, they really did knock it out of the park when they got to it. This is by far the most comprehensive MIDI controller template implementation I’ve seen. It’s fast, easy, and works really well. Better late than never. 😁
@@youtubevideos415 I have. Notation makes great controllers. I really have no interest in whatever argument you’re trying to get into, bro. Have a great day. ✌️
Yes! It's the screen that makes the difference with this keyboard... Looking forward to more customization. I see some beta testers got fun characters in their template titles, not sure how they did that! (didn't work for me)
@@jefgibbons Yeah I have seen that too, but haven’t done it myself. I don’t know *exactly* how they did it, but I think they make/edit the template in Komplete Kontrol for access to their full computer keyboard. And I think not all characters work, so it may just take a little experimenting to see what’s possible. 😁
Nice, quick tutorial Jef. I'm pretty pleased that NI have finally added custom setups. I have found a couple of things missing, most importantly, NRPNs. They're going to be pretty critical for hardware synth control. But otherwise, I'm pretty stoked!
@@jefgibbons I don't know if it's that big a deal with software synths, but when you get to the hardware you might find that things aren't as flexible. NRPNs allow for more controls than just CC, and a lot of more modern synths are going beyond what is allowed for in "regular" MIDI, both in number of parameters and range of control. In software, you can pretty much aim a CC at whatever you want, but in hardware, the various parameter numbers (CC or NRPN) are usually hard-coded, and in many cases, the CCs will follow a loose industry standard. That was kind of restrictive, so NRPNs were developed for manufacturer and/or device specific parameters. I that makes sense...
@@jefgibbons I also don't know how much this will matter to most users. Realistically, most people will be using this to control VSTs that aren't NKS compatible, and for that, it's pretty darned close to perfect. I agree it would be really cool to be able to include a graphic, like most Kontakt and NKS instruments do.
MK4 *must* have a touch screen! Seeing you jog the wheel to get letters reminded me of how I would have to type a password using a game controller on the Xbox. lol
While a touch screen would certainly be faster, I was actually really surprised by how fast I could “type” with the jog wheel during beta testing. I’m not disagreeing with you - but this works better than you’d think. 😁
Can't wait to actually put the MIDI Template into practice. I do hope that a software editor eventually can be had; as a person with low vision, I'd hate to bend over to have to look close at that otherwise beautiful screen and having to look close to type. But otherwise, I dig the potential, especially or sharing and for working with hardware and not dependent on NKS only. I look forward to the other things to be added that's on the NI roadmap. As for Machine integration, I wouldn't hold my breath, at least for this year. I can see it possibly returning, but it's not on the 2024 roadmap, at least not the one that NI has shared publicly. That said, since the Kontrol S Series MK3 keyboards have a computer inside, I'm intrigued by what's coming. Thanks for the informative video and for sharing your thoughts.
I remember people suggesting that when they first unveiled it, and I thought "nah, it's not that important", but now that I have one, I really do wish I could at least tap the screen to navigate. Sometimes a quick tap would be much faster than using a knob to select things.
I'm still loving my MK1 - Obviously won't be upgrading any time. By the time they have this updated etc, they will probably have the MK4 released in a half finished state too.
Hey Jeff, this is awesome. One question. How did you get the Previous, Next and A-D fields to display a "Blue" background? I've searched the entire template and don't see that feature. I know how to change the colours of the buttons but not the display fields below them. Thanks.
Why doesn't the MK3 have a connection to a software editor application so that you could use a QWERTY keyboard to input text for renaming parameters? Is there a way you could use MIDI to connect a QWERTY keyboard to the internal editor?
How is this company getting away with selling half finished products…for the price these keyboards cost this should have been included at launch along with the maschine integration smh.
@@PeanutButterAM What? Even after a year there is still no standalone scale and arp? That's what they promised. They said they included a real computer so everything can run standalone. This company is a joke since it got bought up.
Maschine compatibility is a must before I decide to buy this keyboard. I’m holding off until that’s added/resolved. Hope NI are working on this as this is a big deal.
I'm sure it will take a year or two until they come up with Maschine support. And i'm also pretty sure that what they mean by Maschine support is only that the transport controls will be working. I mean come on. They removed all the Maschine specific buttons. There will be no real Maschine support ever for this product.
@@youtubevideos415 Simple transport controls, parameter control and browser control would be a big start. All the navigation stuff I can do in Maschine but just the basics would go a long way. Less flip flopping between Maschine and the keyboard is better than what they have by the looks of it.
There should be a way to navigate from page to page easier. For example, lets say you set up page 5 to be controls for osc1, and page 6 to be controls for osc2. Do you have to scroll through all your pages to remember which was osc1 page? Or can you jump straight to OSC1 controls from a main page or something? At the very least allow you to assign an image to appear on each page so you can visually see what this page of controls does quickly.
It’s not really necessary. You can switch templates with the previous/next buttons in real time, each with different title. For large control sets like say Roland Zenology, I just set up multiple templates labelled by section (filters; amp envs; etc).
Yes, and another reason they should have gone with a touchscreen. Imagine jumping from page 1 to page 6 simply by tapping that on your screen. I remember making this argument for a touchscreen when it was released and getting crucified by "pros" on reddit and the NI Community forums for how stupid a touchscreen would be on a MIDI controller. It's not like physical controls and touchscreens are mutually exclusive. I agree that adjusting faders and knobs with physical controls is superior to just a touchscreen. But a touchscreen is unbeatable for browsing and typing. The solution is, obviously, to have implemented both. I would have happily paid another $100 for this keyboard if a touchscreen was an option.
@@oobesan there’s just so much nonsense in their ecosystem that needs to be fixed it’s getting pretty ridiculously. Having MIDI templates is great, but like you said a touchscreen is basically a standard feature on today’s instruments. Another thing is being able to map the darn buttons in plug-in mode. I actually think the MIDI templates are better than plug-in mode unless you need more than 128 cc mappings because I can map button assignments.
Hi Jef. Thank you for the vidoe.. very exciting yet can't figure out how to creat a template for my omnisphere... can you help please? any links for mentioned forums? thank you
It's really well implemented, in hindsight i'm glad they took their time with this. Also, you seem to suggest that Maschine integration is a matter of 'when' than 'if', has there been an announcement somewhere?
MIDI setup as a generic controller was a weak point. This improves a little the situation. Sadly they have no competition because all other brands of controllers have very bad key action. So I will plan to buy an mkIII when my 61 mkII will be too old.
Hello! Does anyone know why NI took it out the ability for dragging samples in KK3? I was able to drag samples to battery on KK2 and that made a lot of sense. I was very happy with being able to use a bit more of the expansions on battery via KK. But now you can't do that anymore! Is there a way to do it? Thanks!
Hello Jeff , is it possible to purchase your omnisphere script? I tried to follow this video endet with telling cubase what keyboard when changing track , and my patience is a bit worn spending 2 weeks to upgrade firmware. ( my niece had a apple laptop 2 min after firmware was updated) 😀
Not sure what you mean, click shift-browser, make a new template, and then hit edit to start adding your own text or CC changes. I've got a new video coming this week with a different approach if you are using Cubase...
How is this different from Cubase QC's? You get the knob names on the KK display? But, when I make NKS presets in KK 2.9 sw for my synths I make the graphics and audio previews. Sure a bunch of work, but still seems to be the best integration and browsing there is...
MIDI templates are mostly for controlling external, hardware synths. For plugins, it's better to just load the plugin in Komplete Kontrol and edit the controls in there.
They forgot about those products. They make more money with other products, so they don't care about Maschine. That's why they removed Maschine Support from this keyboard.
Maschine 3 (software) is currently in development, and will launch alongside new hardware. The new Maschine and Maschine+ will have the same screen as the Kontrol mk3 series.
My question since I use a different controller along with my Maschine MK3 .. Are you guys referring to KK Mk3 integration with "Maschine software" or with the "Maschine hardware" ??
They're talking about the Maschine software integration, which was possible with the MK2 keyboards via the keyboard's dual screens, and the Maschine software was included. NI has removed it for the new Kontrol S-Series keyboards, plus no Maschine software.
well i would enjoy using all of this, but the keyboard is still not working for me because i cant do the updates on windows. the native support is absoloutly usless and lets you wait for weeks to even reply. i wonder if other people also still have this problem. i dont get how NI can get away with such a massive F-Up.
Hi Jef! To the best of my knowledge, Omnisphere, like many (or most?) plugins doesn't send MIDI from their controls, but they send VST automation (in addition to receiving it). So using the DAW (like Cubase) or another plugin wrapper to effectively provide the bi-directional translation from hardware MIDI to plugin VST automation is the only way to truly take advantage of hardware like Komplete Kontrol or Maschine. And then you might be better off just using one consistent template on the Komplete Kontrol, and do the mapping to the VST in the DAW or wrapper. Might also be possible with the Komplete Kontrol Software acting as the wrapper around Omnisphere?
Yes, and that's why MIDI templates aren't a good fit for controlling plugins. They're meant for controlling external, hardware synths. For plugins, it's better to load the plugin in Komplete Kontrol and edit the controls directly in there. That will provide two-way communication, and in most cases, more useful values than the standard 0-127.
@@st0rmchild Yes, however unfortunately a lot of classic synth gear uses a lot of MIDI SysEx rather than MIDI CC for parameter control, and I doubt that the new Mk3 mapping is SysEx capable. So yet again, you’d need some sort of additional mapping hardware or software as a translation layer. Except this time it would be MIDI SysEx rather than VST Automation. And in that case, might as well return to a single Mk3 map. The problem with most gear is, that it goes for the stuff that makes marketing copy read well. But advanced integration is not a real priority for most. As so often, a nice piece of hardware is limited by its firmware/software. I’m typing this on an iPad - a classic example of the software not measuring up to the hardware.
this should have been included at launch along with the Maschine integration BIG BIG BIG FAILURE form Native instruments as mainly using Maschine2 as my DAW and then LUNA as DAW for what not possible in Maschine2 I been so much disapointing by the choice of Naticve instruments all the request user asked they don't do then but just want to sell us software and hardware, finish with precipitation. we want Maschine3 as a full DAW the best DAW and all crazy innovation, all iZotope plugins and pluging alliance all NKS1&NKS2. and KEEPING UPDATE ALL HARDWARE AS POSSIBLE then new softwares and new hardwares with best features possible and TOUCH SCREEN it is a MUST to have NOW my Keyboard S1 MK1 not updating anymore, I got a keyboard S2 MK2 too, Maschine MK3 AND Maschine JAM who doesn't have anymore update too it piss me off
lol it almost works as well as my mk1. I hate this version of Native Instruments Inc.. They should make more sound banks. 400gb of NI samples just isn't enough.
IF they Made it Maschine comp with an updated Maschine 3 software .. and with 16 pads i Would break my “not buying a new gear “ promise.. before that I will never buy a new vst , expansion, gear .. nothing ..
Yes and no. The mk2 does have MIDI template creation and editing. However, that is done in Komplete Kontrol software, not on-device like it is on the mk3. And, the mk2 implementation is not as comprehensive as the mk3 one is. But in general: yes, you can do this kind of thing on the mk2.
REAPER customers: Don't buy a Kontrol Mk3 keyboard as the included Komplete Kontrol 3.3.2 software crashes REAPER. It makes the keyboard completely useless! This critical bug has been reported in November 2023 and NI rejects to resolve this.
You might be sleeping for a long while, so make sure you have a good ergonomic pillow...! 🙂 I really don't really need or WANT Maschine integration on my S88. I'd like Maschine folks @ NI to spend their time working on adding to and improving the integration between Maschine HW and Maschine SW. I'm going to use my Maschine hardware to play my Maschine SW, and use my KK S88 keyboard controller to play Kontakt and KK instruments. (And now my Iridium.)
The workflow looks awful. Like I get that you want these templates to live on the keyboard so they can operate midi devices without software running on the PC/Mac, but why isn't there an editor for the PC/Mac? Never mind how much better a touchscreen would be for entering labels - there's a qwerty keyboard right next to you that you could be typing on if the software was well thought out. NI, it seems like they have good hardware people (or they use contractors for the hardware), but they have 1/10th the programmers they need for the number of products they sell.
Editing templates on-device is actually pretty quick. But it does allow you to export templates to your computer, and they're just text files, so you can edit them in a text editor if you prefer, then import it back to the keyboard.
I will never buy one of these controllers because within 2 years it's totally outdated, not to mention the support for a product that disappears the second it's discontinued. Very Sad Native.
Native Instruments is like one of the worst companies in the market. They literally sold us an unfinished prototype with a very very limited feature set. And now it has taken them one year (!) to give us midi templates back, that we always had with MK2. And the Maschine integration is supposed to come sometime in the future. Maybe in one year or maybe in two? This is unbelievable. Imagine buying a premium car and paying the seller and then he's like "Oh yeah, the tires. We deliver them in 12 months to you. Oh and the engine will come at some point later. Because our telemetry data showed that cars are just standing still for the vast majority of time. So only a small fraction of our customers are actually using the car to drive. So they are not that important to us. Thanks for your money. Bye".
@@certifiedbeatz Yeah. It will probably have a very nice huge high resolution screen and will be NKS 2 compatible but we will have to wait one year for an update to make the pads be working...
...let's make this great product..that does everything ..wait that sounds expensive ...well yes it does everything tho.. Hmmm what if we put it out one quarter finished charge a couple hundred... then offer updates til it costs as much as a yamaha arranger? Brilliant .
as a Maschine and Ableton live user would you still buy one? i’m not really wanting to buy a 2nd hand MK2 for the maschine compatibility just incase it has some fault.. not really sure what to do at this point 🫤
Jeff, this is great. i didn't want midi templates as a primary update, but for omnisphere, yes!!!! Great job!!
Appreciate it, yeah, it's going to actually get used on my system!
I don't know what is so special about this... just cc rounting (which every midi toy supports) with screen support. Not sure how is this so magical...
Amazing functionality! Gimme that Maschine integration....that's all I need to pull the trigger and upgrade from the MK2.
Thanks as always for your creative, thoughtful, and BALANCED perspective! If only all of we responders below were as fair and balanced as you. 🙂
You asked about Freelance Soundlabs NKS templates. A couple of pros, several cons:
Pros
- A lot of 'non-NKS-compatible' libraries (e.g., Omnisphere, Keyscape, Analog Lab) have been made much more browsable and editable (are these words?) in KK and Maschine.
- and fairly affordably, especially if you consider the amount of time these guys must spend to put together the database and image files it takes for even a single instrument/library.
Cons
- The $ and complexity will add up if you have a lot of products/user libraries you want to add. I have Omnisphere and two Sonic Extensions and a bunch of user patch libraries. Each of these are separate templates, which means separate co$t$, and separate installs.
- Their template may not match the button/knob/parameter setup you want in your editing. (You built a MIDI template for Omnisphere that reflected your preferences in editing.)
- You must use KK to use these templates. You don't have to with your built-in MIDI template.
I would enjoy you doing a video on one of their templates (e.g., Omnisphere w/ Unclean Machines?), and getting your perspective on pros/cons. Oh one other thing you might like about their templates. You get to see the Omnisphere jpg. ;-)
Thanks Lofo, much appreciated!!
Freelance Sound Labs...if you haven't heard...this guy devotes most of his time to creating third party NKS compatibility (Komplete & Maschine) for a very broad range of unsupported VSTs - and it works like a charm. To date, I can load: Omnisphere 2, most of UVI like augmented orchestra, Quadra, Falcon (plus expansions), Steinberg stuffs like Padshop, Halion, Arturia Analog Lab, Cube, Iris 2 ...all within the KK environment...includes mapping, previews, tagging etc. He covers probably about 50% of the popular ones out there. Tested and works on KK MRK 2 and Maschine MRK 3
Totally agree, his templates are great!
Yes I did see that while researching the vid! What would one gain by using those templates? I'd be happy to show them off on the channel...
I agree with i purchased omnisphere 2 last nks mappings but having had some problems since 3.0.. i installed the vst3 version. im going to check and reinstall again .
They work on mk2 keyboards with superior filter selection, eg being able to choose a sound in a particular bank. That's yet another thing they removed for mk3 grrr
you mean freelance sound labs?
New to the NI ecosystem so this was extremely informative. Thanks Jeff, subbed!
I got this for the workflow and 88k weighted keybed with poly AT - being able to control my other keyboards 🎹 is a bonus
I rely on MIDI templates for controlling external synths, so I've been holding off on getting a mk3 until they added this feature. It's finally here, and fortunately, they did a solid job on it, so I just got an S61 mk3. What an awesome keyboard! The keys feel fantastic. Aftertouch is really smooth and easy to control expressively. The screen is beautiful. A very worthy successor to my old S49 mk1.
For most plugins, it's better to just load the plugin in Komplete Kontrol, edit the controls there, and save that as an NKS preset. You get better two-way communication, with the values on the keyboard updating as you change them in the plugin. Many controls have more useful values as well (like Hz for cutoff or LFO rate, time values for envelopes, etc., instead of just 0-127).
MIDI templates are for non-NKS compatible VSTs. You can’t map the controls the normal way through Komplete Kontrol.
Very cool. I'm still with my Mk2 and will probably be hanging onto it for a while until NI gets the firmware for the Mk3 more mature. The Mk2 is still a really nice piece of kit.
MK2 with my Maschine MK3 & Maschine Jam is still the flow. Beautiful stuff
Definitely! Mk2 is still awesome…
Same still keeping mk2 with Maschine
@@dexteribbenz8513 Yep, that's what I have going on right now.
@@someinternetrando4993 I only really worked with the MK2, Maschine and the Jam a little bit for a live looping thing and it was amazing... If I did more of that stuff I'd probably stick with it for now!
Glad to see interesting updates like this. I won’t buy before maschine-integration is there, though. Too happy with maschine - kk mk2 combi still. A maschine version of the kk mk3, I’d buy in an instant.
Beta tested this functionality for NI. I know it took WAY too long for us to get it and it should have been there from day one - but damn, they really did knock it out of the park when they got to it. This is by far the most comprehensive MIDI controller template implementation I’ve seen. It’s fast, easy, and works really well. Better late than never. 😁
Have you ever tried Novation SL MK3? All they got to due is release MK4 with poly aftertouch and they smoke NI.
@@youtubevideos415 I have. Notation makes great controllers. I really have no interest in whatever argument you’re trying to get into, bro. Have a great day. ✌️
Yes! It's the screen that makes the difference with this keyboard... Looking forward to more customization. I see some beta testers got fun characters in their template titles, not sure how they did that! (didn't work for me)
@@jefgibbons Yeah I have seen that too, but haven’t done it myself. I don’t know *exactly* how they did it, but I think they make/edit the template in Komplete Kontrol for access to their full computer keyboard. And I think not all characters work, so it may just take a little experimenting to see what’s possible. 😁
Nice, quick tutorial Jef. I'm pretty pleased that NI have finally added custom setups. I have found a couple of things missing, most importantly, NRPNs. They're going to be pretty critical for hardware synth control. But otherwise, I'm pretty stoked!
Thanks! How would you use NRPNs in this setup? I'm not ashamed to admit I had to do a google search ;)
@@jefgibbons I don't know if it's that big a deal with software synths, but when you get to the hardware you might find that things aren't as flexible. NRPNs allow for more controls than just CC, and a lot of more modern synths are going beyond what is allowed for in "regular" MIDI, both in number of parameters and range of control.
In software, you can pretty much aim a CC at whatever you want, but in hardware, the various parameter numbers (CC or NRPN) are usually hard-coded, and in many cases, the CCs will follow a loose industry standard. That was kind of restrictive, so NRPNs were developed for manufacturer and/or device specific parameters.
I that makes sense...
@@jefgibbons I also don't know how much this will matter to most users. Realistically, most people will be using this to control VSTs that aren't NKS compatible, and for that, it's pretty darned close to perfect.
I agree it would be really cool to be able to include a graphic, like most Kontakt and NKS instruments do.
MK4 *must* have a touch screen! Seeing you jog the wheel to get letters reminded me of how I would have to type a password using a game controller on the Xbox. lol
While a touch screen would certainly be faster, I was actually really surprised by how fast I could “type” with the jog wheel during beta testing. I’m not disagreeing with you - but this works better than you’d think. 😁
Why not bluetooth compatibility. Most people would have a bluetooth keyboard.
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Can't wait to actually put the MIDI Template into practice. I do hope that a software editor eventually can be had; as a person with low vision, I'd hate to bend over to have to look close at that otherwise beautiful screen and having to look close to type. But otherwise, I dig the potential, especially or sharing and for working with hardware and not dependent on NKS only. I look forward to the other things to be added that's on the NI roadmap. As for Machine integration, I wouldn't hold my breath, at least for this year. I can see it possibly returning, but it's not on the 2024 roadmap, at least not the one that NI has shared publicly. That said, since the Kontrol S Series MK3 keyboards have a computer inside, I'm intrigued by what's coming. Thanks for the informative video and for sharing your thoughts.
Now if it just had a touch screen 🤤
yuppers!
I remember people suggesting that when they first unveiled it, and I thought "nah, it's not that important", but now that I have one, I really do wish I could at least tap the screen to navigate. Sometimes a quick tap would be much faster than using a knob to select things.
I'm still loving my MK1 - Obviously won't be upgrading any time. By the time they have this updated etc, they will probably have the MK4 released in a half finished state too.
For sure. That's how it goes.
;)
Hey Jeff, this is awesome. One question. How did you get the Previous, Next and A-D fields to display a "Blue" background? I've searched the entire template and don't see that feature. I know how to change the colours of the buttons but not the display fields below them. Thanks.
I'll be glad once there's a machine keyboard ,,, 😢
Why doesn't the MK3 have a connection to a software editor application so that you could use a QWERTY keyboard to input text for renaming parameters? Is there a way you could use MIDI to connect a QWERTY keyboard to the internal editor?
How is this company getting away with selling half finished products…for the price these keyboards cost this should have been included at launch along with the maschine integration smh.
Blame the bought & paid for TH-cam influencers for not holding their feet to the fire
They broke my V1 so I had to pay $750 for the v3.
Still no stand alone scale and arp.
@@PeanutButterAM no standalone scale is wild
@@PeanutButterAM What? Even after a year there is still no standalone scale and arp? That's what they promised. They said they included a real computer so everything can run standalone. This company is a joke since it got bought up.
totally agreee wont buy until Maschine compatibility not spendingb over £600 to go BACKWARDS COME ON NI
Maschine compatibility is a must before I decide to buy this keyboard. I’m holding off until that’s added/resolved. Hope NI are working on this as this is a big deal.
Same...
I'm sure it will take a year or two until they come up with Maschine support. And i'm also pretty sure that what they mean by Maschine support is only that the transport controls will be working. I mean come on. They removed all the Maschine specific buttons. There will be no real Maschine support ever for this product.
Same here
Yeah, I'm hoping it's coming with the new version of Maschine, not sure how they'll make up for the lack of buttons on it...
@@youtubevideos415 Simple transport controls, parameter control and browser control would be a big start. All the navigation stuff I can do in Maschine but just the basics would go a long way. Less flip flopping between Maschine and the keyboard is better than what they have by the looks of it.
The parallels between NI and the gaming industry are starting to become more and more apparent.
There should be a way to navigate from page to page easier. For example, lets say you set up page 5 to be controls for osc1, and page 6 to be controls for osc2. Do you have to scroll through all your pages to remember which was osc1 page? Or can you jump straight to OSC1 controls from a main page or something? At the very least allow you to assign an image to appear on each page so you can visually see what this page of controls does quickly.
Good suggestion, maybe tabs like they have for their new instruments…
It’s not really necessary. You can switch templates with the previous/next buttons in real time, each with different title. For large control sets like say Roland Zenology, I just set up multiple templates labelled by section (filters; amp envs; etc).
Yes, and another reason they should have gone with a touchscreen. Imagine jumping from page 1 to page 6 simply by tapping that on your screen. I remember making this argument for a touchscreen when it was released and getting crucified by "pros" on reddit and the NI Community forums for how stupid a touchscreen would be on a MIDI controller. It's not like physical controls and touchscreens are mutually exclusive. I agree that adjusting faders and knobs with physical controls is superior to just a touchscreen. But a touchscreen is unbeatable for browsing and typing. The solution is, obviously, to have implemented both. I would have happily paid another $100 for this keyboard if a touchscreen was an option.
@@oobesan there’s just so much nonsense in their ecosystem that needs to be fixed it’s getting pretty ridiculously. Having MIDI templates is great, but like you said a touchscreen is basically a standard feature on today’s instruments. Another thing is being able to map the darn buttons in plug-in mode. I actually think the MIDI templates are better than plug-in mode unless you need more than 128 cc mappings because I can map button assignments.
Hi Jef. Thank you for the vidoe.. very exciting yet can't figure out how to creat a template for my omnisphere... can you help please? any links for mentioned forums? thank you
Hi Jeff!!! Have you found a way for the MK3 to control the Cubase Focused Quick Controls??? Most of my plugins are set up for focused quick controls.
I will absolutely not get this keyboard until it integrates with Maschine. At that point this will be one of if not the coldest controllers
Your average Roland controller and MainStage is unbeatable.
Hi. Great work. Would you be interested in doing a review on the Nektar CS12 with Logic Pro?
Is there a user plugin template sharing thread in any forum anywhere ?
It's really well implemented, in hindsight i'm glad they took their time with this. Also, you seem to suggest that Maschine integration is a matter of 'when' than 'if', has there been an announcement somewhere?
Have they updated Play Assist funcionality?
Could you share your template. I am not sure how managed to get the button Previous work
MIDI setup as a generic controller was a weak point. This improves a little the situation. Sadly they have no competition because all other brands of controllers have very bad key action. So I will plan to buy an mkIII when my 61 mkII will be too old.
It's a shame that with this update the Kontakt 7.8 don't work with the keyboard anymore... It worked with you?
If you use VST Instruments, I think the Komplete Kontrol software is easier to program than MIDI.
Hello! Does anyone know why NI took it out the ability for dragging samples in KK3? I was able to drag samples to battery on KK2 and that made a lot of sense. I was very happy with being able to use a bit more of the expansions on battery via KK. But now you can't do that anymore! Is there a way to do it? Thanks!
I would love to see a template for the MPC X
Hello Jeff , is it possible to purchase your omnisphere script? I tried to follow this video endet with telling cubase what keyboard when changing track , and my patience is a bit worn spending 2 weeks to upgrade firmware. ( my niece had a apple laptop 2 min after firmware was updated) 😀
Where can you download these templates? Are there also templates for trillian or keyscape?
Template for MainStage?
Thats cool, but how do I create these templates as you did for omnisphere?
For me its just an empty template-
Not sure what you mean, click shift-browser, make a new template, and then hit edit to start adding your own text or CC changes. I've got a new video coming this week with a different approach if you are using Cubase...
Do they propose a decent Cubase MIDI Remote script now?
How is this different from Cubase QC's? You get the knob names on the KK display? But, when I make NKS presets in KK 2.9 sw for my synths I make the graphics and audio previews. Sure a bunch of work, but still seems to be the best integration and browsing there is...
MIDI templates are mostly for controlling external, hardware synths. For plugins, it's better to just load the plugin in Komplete Kontrol and edit the controls in there.
Yeah but what about maschine mk 3 , mikro and plus ?
They forgot about those products. They make more money with other products, so they don't care about Maschine. That's why they removed Maschine Support from this keyboard.
@@youtubevideos415 😱😱😱🤬🤬🤬 ooooooooh hell naw !!!
Maschine 3 (software) is currently in development, and will launch alongside new hardware. The new Maschine and Maschine+ will have the same screen as the Kontrol mk3 series.
What is the actual difference between this approach vs. the Komplete Kontrol set-up?
This is for stuff that doesn’t have komplete kontrol compatibility.
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My question since I use a different controller along with my Maschine MK3 .. Are you guys referring to KK Mk3 integration with "Maschine software" or with the "Maschine hardware" ??
They're talking about the Maschine software integration, which was possible with the MK2 keyboards via the keyboard's dual screens, and the Maschine software was included. NI has removed it for the new Kontrol S-Series keyboards, plus no Maschine software.
well i would enjoy using all of this, but the keyboard is still not working for me because i cant do the updates on windows. the native support is absoloutly usless and lets you wait for weeks to even reply. i wonder if other people also still have this problem. i dont get how NI can get away with such a massive F-Up.
However, this is just one-way communication from the hardware to Omnisphere I presume?
Hey Nico! Yeah... is that actually something that could be changed with the right programming?
Hi Jef! To the best of my knowledge, Omnisphere, like many (or most?) plugins doesn't send MIDI from their controls, but they send VST automation (in addition to receiving it). So using the DAW (like Cubase) or another plugin wrapper to effectively provide the bi-directional translation from hardware MIDI to plugin VST automation is the only way to truly take advantage of hardware like Komplete Kontrol or Maschine. And then you might be better off just using one consistent template on the Komplete Kontrol, and do the mapping to the VST in the DAW or wrapper. Might also be possible with the Komplete Kontrol Software acting as the wrapper around Omnisphere?
Yes, and that's why MIDI templates aren't a good fit for controlling plugins. They're meant for controlling external, hardware synths. For plugins, it's better to load the plugin in Komplete Kontrol and edit the controls directly in there. That will provide two-way communication, and in most cases, more useful values than the standard 0-127.
@@st0rmchild Yes, however unfortunately a lot of classic synth gear uses a lot of MIDI SysEx rather than MIDI CC for parameter control, and I doubt that the new Mk3 mapping is SysEx capable. So yet again, you’d need some sort of additional mapping hardware or software as a translation layer. Except this time it would be MIDI SysEx rather than VST Automation. And in that case, might as well return to a single Mk3 map. The problem with most gear is, that it goes for the stuff that makes marketing copy read well. But advanced integration is not a real priority for most. As so often, a nice piece of hardware is limited by its firmware/software. I’m typing this on an iPad - a classic example of the software not measuring up to the hardware.
this should have been included at launch along with the Maschine integration BIG BIG BIG FAILURE form Native instruments as mainly using Maschine2 as my DAW and then LUNA as DAW for what not possible in Maschine2 I been so much disapointing by the choice of Naticve instruments all the request user asked they don't do then but just want to sell us software and hardware, finish with precipitation.
we want Maschine3 as a full DAW the best DAW and all crazy innovation, all iZotope plugins and pluging alliance all NKS1&NKS2. and KEEPING UPDATE ALL HARDWARE AS POSSIBLE
then new softwares and new hardwares with best features possible and TOUCH SCREEN it is a MUST to have NOW
my Keyboard S1 MK1 not updating anymore, I got a keyboard S2 MK2 too, Maschine MK3 AND Maschine JAM who doesn't have anymore update too it piss me off
lol it almost works as well as my mk1. I hate this version of Native Instruments Inc.. They should make more sound banks. 400gb of NI samples just isn't enough.
IF they Made it Maschine comp with an updated Maschine 3 software .. and with 16 pads i Would break my “not buying a new gear “ promise.. before that I will never buy a new vst , expansion, gear .. nothing ..
No Maschine compatibility? No thanks
They did at least announce that’s it’s coming later this year.
My thoughts exactly
@@bodhibeats8257 Should've been there from the start🤷♂
@@BOOMBAPXL I agree 🤷♂️
@@BOOMBAPXL It absolutely should have. It's crazy that the mk3 shipped with support for other DAWs but not NI's own music making software.
Is this possible to do with Komplete Kontrol mk2?
Yes and no. The mk2 does have MIDI template creation and editing. However, that is done in Komplete Kontrol software, not on-device like it is on the mk3. And, the mk2 implementation is not as comprehensive as the mk3 one is. But in general: yes, you can do this kind of thing on the mk2.
@@bodhibeats8257 okay, so does it then work only with the NKS plugins with mk2?
@@joonasautero661 No, not only NKS. You can make MIDI templates for VSTs and external synths.
REAPER customers: Don't buy a Kontrol Mk3 keyboard as the included Komplete Kontrol 3.3.2 software crashes REAPER. It makes the keyboard completely useless! This critical bug has been reported in November 2023 and NI rejects to resolve this.
To NI:
No amount of marketing or ads is going to help you sell this awful mistake. You didn't listen to your users, and this is the result.
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Wake me up when Maschine compatibility is here.
Will do!
You might be sleeping for a long while, so make sure you have a good ergonomic pillow...! 🙂
I really don't really need or WANT Maschine integration on my S88.
I'd like Maschine folks @ NI to spend their time working on adding to and improving the integration between Maschine HW and Maschine SW.
I'm going to use my Maschine hardware to play my Maschine SW, and use my KK S88 keyboard controller to play Kontakt and KK instruments. (And now my Iridium.)
No Maschine Support = I Wont buy
The workflow looks awful. Like I get that you want these templates to live on the keyboard so they can operate midi devices without software running on the PC/Mac, but why isn't there an editor for the PC/Mac? Never mind how much better a touchscreen would be for entering labels - there's a qwerty keyboard right next to you that you could be typing on if the software was well thought out. NI, it seems like they have good hardware people (or they use contractors for the hardware), but they have 1/10th the programmers they need for the number of products they sell.
It doesn’t take that long… and once yer done yer done!
Editing templates on-device is actually pretty quick. But it does allow you to export templates to your computer, and they're just text files, so you can edit them in a text editor if you prefer, then import it back to the keyboard.
I will never buy one of these controllers because within 2 years it's totally outdated, not to mention the support for a product that disappears the second it's discontinued. Very Sad Native.
Native Instruments is like one of the worst companies in the market. They literally sold us an unfinished prototype with a very very limited feature set. And now it has taken them one year (!) to give us midi templates back, that we always had with MK2. And the Maschine integration is supposed to come sometime in the future. Maybe in one year or maybe in two? This is unbelievable. Imagine buying a premium car and paying the seller and then he's like "Oh yeah, the tires. We deliver them in 12 months to you. Oh and the engine will come at some point later. Because our telemetry data showed that cars are just standing still for the vast majority of time. So only a small fraction of our customers are actually using the car to drive. So they are not that important to us. Thanks for your money. Bye".
I think the MK2s are still using firmware labeled "alpha". it's really disappointing.
Imagine buying the new maschine controller when it comes out .. fool me once shame on me
@@certifiedbeatz Yeah. It will probably have a very nice huge high resolution screen and will be NKS 2 compatible but we will have to wait one year for an update to make the pads be working...
...let's make this great product..that does everything ..wait that sounds expensive ...well yes it does everything tho..
Hmmm what if we put it out one quarter finished charge a couple hundred... then offer updates til it costs as much as a yamaha arranger? Brilliant .
NI needs to revamp its whole marketing team
It’s so inKomplete without drum pads & Mixing control -
Not enough DAW & VST & AU control
It’s crap 💩 💩💩💩
Daw faders would be nice!
German Engineering is failing, even in the software space. Too complacent.
why would they not make it mk3 compatible from jump. that was the deal breaker for me . i do have a bsba, so I get it, I guess
as a Maschine and Ableton live user would you still buy one? i’m not really wanting to buy a 2nd hand MK2 for the maschine compatibility just incase it has some fault.. not really sure what to do at this point 🫤
Almost a year later for this and still no Maschine integration… 🫤