Larry And Janet Move Out: a documentary about the Heygate Estate, Elephant and Castle
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- Larry and Janet are forced out of the family home they occupied for over 30 years on the Heygate Estate in Elephant and Castle, London, to make way for the local authority’s redevelopment plans.
Film by David Reeve and Patrick Steel for King Chain Productions (kingchainproductions.com/) and Fat Toad Films (www.fattoadfilms.co.uk/).
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This is my nan and grandad❤️❤️ thanks for all your kind support they are doing great !
I’m glad they are both doing well what a lovely couple
NICE PEOPLE
Are they Irish? Their very likable.
Pleased to hear it!
Hi, hope Nan and Grandad are doing well. Such a lovely. jolly, loving couple
Elephant and Castle, Old Kent Road, Walworth and East Street had the best communities. 👌 great people 👏 👍
Social cleansing. A London Assembly report said surveyors found the estate structually sound & suggested the best option was refurbishment. 4 out 5 residents wanted to stay. Crime rate was half that for the borough of Southwark. I hope Larry & Janet found happiness in their new home, they come across as a lovely couple. Sad they lost Lady.
But the estate looked terrible before no amount of refurbishment could have made that place look better
@@ilovegot7754 people were living in it not looking at it
@@alexbartsch I LIVED IN IT, so please be quiet. I hate when ever I talk about this estate people instantly assume ad if I'm talking like an outsider, I moved to the new nice side of the estate but my mum still lives In the old part. Inside is horrible and falling apart, the building are infested in wvery house. So don't tell me about what I know
A lovely happy couple who live in the real world. They appreciate the simple things of life and value what's important, family friends, pride in their community. We don't all want to be millionaires, but we want to be treated with respect and dignity, while we make the best of our life.
I worked on the redevelopment of the Heygate and as a local myself it shocked me to learn that an estate that housed thousands in social housing was now been redeveloped with just 10% being allocated to social housing. The developers get around this with that ridiculous right to buy scheme which is simply unaffordable for the majority of locals living there.
Sad state of affairs with many having to relocate hundreds of miles away from where they called home.
Heart breaking, these people would have had Secure Lifetime Tenancies. It’s awful that this can happen!!
It's quite clear what is happening. Social Cleansing! The Councils have let their estates fall into disrepair knowing that the land is more valuable to private property developers. The property developers are building these new blocks costing near enough a minimum of half a million. The people who owned their properties through the Right-To-Buy scheme were compulsorily purchased for nowhere near the amount of the new flats. Therefore, they have to move out away from London missing their friends and family. The council tenants are moved into other parts of the country. London is now only for the rich. The less well-off people are being driven out all over London. Social Cleansing!!
I lived in London for a decade but I left when I had kids and (like most people) recognised that it was unaffordable to buy a house, simple supply and demand, too many people wanting to live in a geographically small area. I moved further out because it was cheaper and I honestly don't understand why many people in London think that it's their 'human right' to get subsided housing in central London paid for by UK taxpayers across the rest of the country. Actually I find it offensive that I work hard, earn a good salary and pay a lot of tax, in part so that others can live in that same area for less per week than when I lived in County Durham.
I think most people would support a change in the law that at least gave protection to people who had historic ties to an area. Except that a high proportion of these council estates are made up of people from overseas who were given the flats in the past 10-20 years. Electoral politics dictates that the left would rather lose the social housing war (but win re-election!) than do the right thing and defend the rights of the people who've lived on the estates - in many cases since birth.
@Calvin's..
You just don't bloody get it do you. What about those that have purchased their flat under the Right-To-Buy scheme? It's their very own property. It was taken away from them and in return they got offered 50% of what the newer flats were costing which were starting at half a million (or more).
Those that are/were council tenants were promised like-for-like. The idea of regeneration (or so people are led to believe), is to knock down the old buildings and replace with new thus re-housing the original tenants in those new buildings.
Only the rich can live in London now. Social cleansing!!!! Just because you moved out of London doesn't mean you should feel justified in not letting existing tenants who already live there remain. Your situation was different. Many of them are elderly, many of them have kids who are settled in school e.t.c. Their world has been turned upside down for the sake of money grabbing oligarchs.
I get that entirely, perhaps if Labour had made a point of sticking up for long term or right-to-buy residents then things might have worked out differently but they persisted with an argument that everyone was the same and that there'd be oodles of cheap housing if only it weren't for the evil tories; it makes more political sense to appeal to the financially illiterate. The only ways you can reduce London property prices to what they were 30 years ago are [1] reduce 30 years of migration and remove the extra people that have moved to London since the 80s or [2] increase supply by about a million flats by leveling vast swathes of London and constructing about a thousand high-rise tower blocks.
I was born and grew up in that area 64 years ago Calvin. I enjoyed your post. That Estate and The Aylesbury next door formed the ( then ) largest housing estate in Europe in the late 1960's and our terraced houses were demolished , ironically, to build thee damned estates. What destroyed Inner London was the Council's change of Policy from " Sons/Daughters" to Homeless as , by definition, almost everyone from overseas were deemed " homeless" so The Jamaicans etc back in the 1970's- got priority and to seal the deal the other new priority was becoming pregnant and so many uneducated young girls killed 3 birds with one stone.
Having a child meant a Council roof over their heads for life and an income from the Govt and a Career as a Homemaker so by 1983 I new I had no chance and like most South-East Londoners I moved to the very edge of London and Kent. It has been a wonderful 35 years ( 9/5 ) next week but I DESPERATELY miss that old Community spirit and i lived over a very busy market with endless people on my doorstep every day.
I miss the hustle and bustle terribly but next week is my final mortgage payment :)
Only the very rich and the very poor can live in London. Most people, who are in between, aren't able to live there.
The buildings were neglected and not maintained , these estates were not bad , what the councils let happen to them was !
Spent the first six months of my life living on the Heygate in a block called Wingrave. We got a house further down the Walworth road after my dad bunged the housing man a few quid. My Grandparents lived on the Heygate, on the ninth floor of a block called Claydon which overlooked the Elephant shopping centre. I've got many fond memories of the estate, from the huge bonfires in the football pitch to birthday parties in the estate hall. The people who owned their flats were treated terribly, being given roughly £200k when the new places started at £500k. The new development brings with it some nice bars and restuarants but any sense of community is gone, just like what is happening across London. Redevelopment should mean redeveloping for the people who already live there, not rich people and foreign investors who are able to afford the new places. Unfortunately in London now redevelopment means social cleansing
The council treated them like utter shit. Shame on Southwark council.
I just love Janet & Larry listening to them talk to each other u can see the love in their eyes they share for each other & wish them all the good luck that could come their way. Happy Christmas from america u 2 love birds!!!
Jackyblue67 Same you get up there that is all you have is each other and more often than not it's your spouse most children go their own way and you only see them on holidays or if they need something. I never lived in these places but they were around when they were new in the late 60s and early 70s when I was a child one of the best times of my life. Sense both my parents are dead it makes me miss these times bad. I can't seem to get enough of videos like these and abandoned house videos.
This is a really beautifully crafted, sensitive, emotive, essential film. Thank-you and congratulations.
What a wonderful couple, i remember going around to the Elephant & Castle shopping centre just before demolition and always remember a lovely lady in a shop that had an exhibition of pics of the Centre and she was heartbroken to have to leave
My uncle B lived on this area, remember visiting him and stay over. It's sad how it's turned out. The residents show respect and priority.
What a lovely couple.
I can relate I moved into my property ( temporary) after 9 years not buying new carpets or really putting my homely touches to the accommodation...the council offered me a permanent home. One problem it was horrible. No trees to look at outside...Lego land. I refused to move and said I'd been here living in limbo for 9 years ...I love my area and my home so fought to stay and make it permanent. I won!
Tim Tinker's comment about people didn't have their own flat and people had to share bathrooms and kitchens, this is happening again now in the UK and is the consequence of lack of new council housing as people buy their council homes and as more estates are regenerated, there are less homes for future generations
They are lovely people. I love their dogs.
I'm watching this on Christmas day 12-25-2016.Merry Christmas & peace on earth to every1!!!!!!
i went to a great kids home on Heygate wansley street side.... BIG LOVE to all that was there 1984 1985 man i miss them days them years
There is a certain amount of dignity in being able to afford your own home. You're not at the mercy of some greedy Landlord, you can change your home to the way you want it, you're not going to get kicked to the kerb because the Landlord wants the property for someone else. Where at all possible, people should try and save to have their own place.
If you think owning your own home is safety and won't get you kicked out, you need to learn about compulsory purchase orders.
@@HaggisMuncher-69-420 For the majority of people that will never happen.
@@starquant In NY State they tax you out of your "home". If you fall behind in your real estate taxes they penalize you with interest and eventually they will auction off your "home" so, in essence you own nothing you always pay rent to the government, most of that is essentially your forced tithe to the school district which in essence is from the school teacher union which then uses forced dues to fund the politicians who make the laws, and of course pay the union higher ups, so you are a serf. Your real estate taxes have nothing to do with your income, savings, or ability to pay. The remaining 1/3 of your forced rent goes to the county budget where much of the same circular funding of corrupt politicians also takes place. Essentially in NY State there is one political party at all state levels of government and that one party is controlled by public employee unions, There are 2 private sector jobs in NY State for every government job. So, 2 people essentially pay for each government job and all welfare services. The leadership of NY State is exceedingly corrupt. The giant part of the majority of the state budget is derived from taxes on Wall Street in one form or another. Without Wall Street the entire State budget would collapse. Industry was driven out of the state long ago. Deliberate policies did that.
All I can say is unless you have paid a mortgage right off the bank owns your property. Don't lose a job or get ill or disabled then you should be okay.
@@johnjon1823 On going property taxes are a hassle. In Australia, they're known as rates and yes they are expensive.
What a handsome couple. I do hope they are very happy where they live now. Too sad for their nice dog.
No tears when I leave my apartment complex here in America to move into a house instead. Soon I will off the low income housing grid . God bless this couple. Time to move on sweethearts. Build new memories in a new place. I am very blessed that they keep these apartments up very nicely but its the privacy I miss the most and no private outdoor space of our own. The noise people make here is to hard to live with . Things are about to change for me and my husband.
Janice Bowman I'm pleased for you and I hope you'll be very happy in your new home.
social housing in Britain is/was a very different model based on different values than in the USA where public housing is seen as a stepping stone here in the UK it is on a much more permanent basis in the old days when the council ran the housing stock we used to get lifetime tenancies.. since the housing associations took over and privatized everything they no longer exist we just get secure tenancies now days
I use to live on this estate from the mid 80's. My daughter was born there.... I lived on 9th floor of Ashenden. I remember hanging out of my front room and bedroom windows to clean them. It's such a shame they sell our social housing causing a shortage of housing for people. The estate was full of people like this couple, I hope they've had a good life since moving.
I watched this because I am going to start working for the planning team of Southwark Council soon, and wanted to learn more about this estate which to this today remains infamous as a case study of how not to do regeneration projects. I felt the council officers treated Janet so disrespectfully, I was shocked and it made my skin crawl. When people are beyond forced to leave their homes, how can you be so insensitive and make jokes about them like that, shameful.
We were treated really badly and the initial regeneration team were awful!
I lived on the council estate in Battersea which is now called The Falcons... We moved to a better home in 1984 so social cleansing has been going on for years. My friends parents bought their house on the Heygate, her Mum didn't want to move at first but now says moving out was the best thing she ever did. Sometimes you can't see a better life until you start living it.
Great documentary, life seemed so much better back then
Of course it wasn't but the 'b******S' weren't yet in total control as they are now.
I just hate seeing the elderly kicked out of their home. Its greed, nothing more. They should pass a law that gives permanent housing to people aged 50 and over. The stress of the move takes its toll and it must have made them feel very unsettled. Where is home???. Its do as the government housing says or your out on the street homeless.
Cracking little documentary,good luck in your new home
This was bittersweet. I would hate to have to leave my home after 30 + years. All the memories of family and home must have been difficult to let go. I'm glad they are in their new home. RIP Lady ❤
I have a bed like that and they are very heavy! Like the lady said they are very beneficial to your health....I would NEVER move without my bed! They can demolish everything around me and you have to move me in the bed...LoL😂😂 What a nice, lovely couple...God Bless them🙏🏼🍀👋🏼🇨🇦
My experience with moving people into new estates from run down area's. The council break up once tight communities with these moves. They never take into account the time these communities have been together, Generations. They break these communities up and this is the start of the rot in these new communities starting up. The community don't have the connections they once had. Same here in Dublin ☘️🇮🇪
Great film , I wonder how both of them are doing to this day ?..
The common people where conned again
Janet talks with such precision.A nice Lady.
Love docs like this. Just watched some bits on Thames Mead. Another 60s dream which were designed by people who thought they knew what Joe public needed and wanted. But seemed to fail. Plus the fact they were in the main system built which let them down.
still in tears for you both x
Architecturally, the Heygate Estate is one of my favourites and it’s sad it no longer exists, even though apartment complexes built around the same time in Continental Europe have not suffered as much the same fate. This country has gone down the drain when providing public services. TV shows like “How to Get A Council House” would never exist if this government had invested more
"Architecturally, the Heygate Estate is one of my favourites". Just... no. Brutalist architecture as a means of housing human beings: no thank you.
@@annalisakingston-smith2721 sorry. But I’m very stupid at illustrating my feelings about architecture. I like modernism and Idk why I put the Heygate as a good example.
@@taiterobinson793 you’re not stupid, you’re just expressing what is your favourite and you’re quite entitled to have a favourite, whether it’s brutalist architecture or not, don’t put yourself down or apologise just because someone else wants to be patronising in their putting their opinion above your own.
Architecturally it was an ambitious scheme, I thought it was beautiful also. Such a shame it wasn't maintained.
Removal of the salt of the Earth from London, now even doctors can not afford to live here let alone an office cleaner. Maybe I'll soon have to show a travel permit to enter the hallowed boundary of the M25
Why is this making me cry?😥
Worked on the estate mid 90s removing the asbestos in the bathrooms
What a lovely couple thank you for sharing some of your memories here, I'm 28 and grew up in Aylesbury but I love learning about the history of Aylesbury and heygate, I really wish I could have seen the place on the 70s
Thank you for posting this video. Lovely couple. So very sad about Lady. RIP.
Very nice film and a lovely couple.
Shane Wims Thanks Shane, glad you liked the film
2 nice characters!
great documentary, I love the dog
Love your avatar Anagenia ☺
What's the betting the council doesn't replace the estate with local authority housing...
they never the flats now built on the land are private flats costing over a million £ and that's the basic ones
they didn't.. its all expensive luxury living round there now days..the original tenants were all LIED to!
Only 10% was allocated to social housing units
Same all over London, councils are letting places rot, so they can force people out and then sell the land.
Really lovely people and glad to see that they are doing well
Brilliant film, Larry & Jane are so funny....loved it!
It's happening everywhere. All over the country.
THAT RETREIVER IS CLASS
So sad the dog passed away..R.I.P 🐶🙏✝💐🌷🌹
man the dog got me
Awww bless them. How are they now I wonder 🙁
I really miss the shopping centre, I live down the road and all you see now are unaffordable flats, they look lovely but still unaffordable for so many
So sad about lady god bless her
Wow i enjoyed this new councin building set for finishing next year.
Janet looks 10 years younger and larry 5😊
Lived here for 6+ years from the late 90's to early 2000's. Marston house, I loved the Heygate. Corrupt council
The really good British ghost thriller film The Disappeared was filmed on the Heygate shortly before demolition .
This wonderful couple, still in love and laughing without pretence against all adversity deserve to be recognised as all that used to be the best of British. Already flowers and roses planted for their Lady Labrador. I dont think you could find more lovely warm people. I hope they have decent family and friends around to cherish them. Another disgusting case of very poor council management and ignorant council workers who should be fired from top to bottom.
Larry and Janet, Bless your hearts and doggie too
I worked on the Walworth Road between 2003-2010. When I first started Heygate was full capacity, I think they were nearly closed by the end.
A great film. The saddest thing was Lady the dog not wanting to leave 😪 she knew she was leaving.
Thanks for your comment, and for watching the film. Yes, it seems Lady sensed the mood, it was tough to film that.
@@fattoadfilms it was just a really good film and captured the mood / moods perfectly. Things move on but you can't help feel sorry for some of the people.
Bet it was once a great place to live,,,if the landlords had kept up the maintenance,,,there are similar buildings in Germany,Denmark and still great,,people just want to live in a nice place not a lot to ask,,,,
So sad being forced out of their homes
"Don't run them down too much." :-)
Make it so undesirable to live there so people move and then simultaneously say the estate in disrepair and decline and before you know it private developers snap it up for big bucks
What a lovely couple!
16:04 love the Aussie jumper! 🐨🇦🇺🌏❤🐨
smashing but sad`
I was born on the dog kennel hill estate in East Dulwich in 1978
I agree it was a community we moved out of London in 2000 as it became unbearable to live there anymore
My years there were some of the best years of my life it’s sad London is the way it is now
My Nan and grandad lived and number 7 felbridge house and me my brothers and my mum and dad lived in number 8 felbridge we know everyone pretty much around there but over the years we saw the change and many sadly moved away
My uncle aunt and cousins lived across the road from the tankered pub in the flats just as you go in to the elephant and castle
Sadly I lost my mum on October 2020
My family loved London all my family were from London my mums family southeast London my dads family west London
That old fella has a photographic memory
❤Hello! Laura (Pritchard)
Southwark Council just wanted to make/save money. Prime central London location in zone 1.
I lived up the Walworth Road in the 1980's as a child and having family roots in the area visited regularly my entire life. The Heygate and The Rockingham used to frighten the life out of me looking at them. It's always sad when a piece of history disappears, but reluctantly I have to agree getting rid of eye sore estates like this is the right decision.
It was the latest people how entered! These people are quality!!!!!!!!!
The recent people moving have finished London communities they don't socialise!!!!! Pubs closed down!!!!!
The irony of the putting up a fight is that they're not even Londoners
Times change even if your surroundings don't.
What a lovely couple
Remember the Heygate had mates who lived there for some years and eventually moved out
Difficult for an older person to move , after living in one place, so long
Crime was rife on the Heygate by the early 90's... Me and my friend had mates in the high blocks, but we'd hate to go down there for fear of getting robbed. This was 1991. And we were from down the road in Peckham!
I hear that things in that area have improved slightly since 1991.
@@ajs41 they moved in the 70’s. Once the kids grew up the neighborhood changed apparently.
Lived down the road in camberwell. High crime zone all round there when I left..
Funny thing is, were these made to be like their original state again they’d have all the trendy-Wendy fashionistas wanting to live in them for top dollar. 💲🤑
WOW. It is amazing that building those high rises even in the USA, it it is a matter of time before they are in shambles. The ones that had to pay or given reduced rent at least took better care of the places. Even in Memphis, TN where I am from, those low rent apartments were called the projects. No one wanted to say where you were from. Elvis lived in one of those, the same as my mother's siblings and parents. Yes, Elvis went to school with my aunts, and uncles. That's another story. Every time something is given to them, they tear it up, trash it up and there goes the neighborhoods. They think it is supposed to be given to them for free. Thank God Memphis only has a few high rises for the elderly and they won't keep the maintenance up for them. It is a disgrace. I am so glad I moved out of the city. That's another whole set of problems. I can't afford the bush hog man! LOL. I am now 70 sighh, live on my own and my sons hate I am out here. Better here than there! The crime is less for me in my little spot in MS.
LADY WAS A BEAUT❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Our people were proud and resourceful, they needed to destroy us, and they did..
Former council leader Peter John did this
Evil
FASHINUUES MOVING IN
Architects create , drawings, models, and ideas.... tradespeople and engineers create buildings
The middle class have, and always be the bane of the working class
Where's the catch up documentary?
#MHLivingHistory2024
Donefordesgin
LABOUR COUNCIL did this
oh ok they got better place wiz garden
You are EXTREMELY NAIVE . What a ridiculous and ignorant comment.
They had a great COMMUNITY spirit back in the day like I did and I was born and grew up 1/2 mile from them.
I have a "better place with a lovely garden" but you can NOT recapture that community SPIRIT....
Not really. The irony about this is that they pretty much got a similar place to what they had before. Their Heygate place had a garden too. It's not nicer, it's just another council home that will have the same fate as Heygate someday, which is why they say they hope they don't get pushed out again before they kick the bucket.
scalpelli no they didn’t u stupid fuck
why have they agree in first place to move ???
monika madrid Heygate Estate is being torn down. They had to move. So sad for all who lived there.
makes me glad not to live in England!!! I'd be homeless!!
She bought it
But doesn’t know what it is
THICK as $HIT
move were ????
ANOTHER HELL
East dulwich
Harold Hill
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