Honestly if it is, it makes sense. hahaha We all know what happens when a playstyle gets so popular. Everybody starts doing it. And it's such a hard playstyle to pull off, so most likely you'll get people uselessly inting.
@@Carachee That still literally means they are targeting baus. All nerfs from sion to hullbreaker, bounties to plating rewards, krug rewards to bausen law, someone has to be autistic to say riot not nerfing him.
@@stonecat676 Because people keep trying to copy his tactic, not realizing it's not going to work in their iron, bronze, silver, gold, plat, eme, and maybe even diamond games
This isn't a target nerf dude. As it stands, if you die first in top lane...you generally win the lane. The way the game currently works is omega fucked.
@@yGKeKe it is a target nerf cause he is currently one of the biggest league streamers, pulling tyler1 retired numbers rn, the last thing riot wants is people to imitate an unique playstyle and ruin their data
what a good way to start a VOD, when caedrel said "you're jailed off buddy" then baus drop his uno reverse card, same vibes of "I'm not locked here with you, you're locked here with me"
bought my LR shirt yesterday, looks like its gonna become a collector item - only piece of merch from when LR Baus was a thing stonks going crazy rn lfg
@@LeagueOfLegendsQc yeah it sold out mad quick i got it from the LR website but when i clicked in and picked my size it was thankfully still in stock so i snapped on one quick cuz i saw other sizes were sold out
@@timmyahn6927 Where the heck is the LR website? Like seriously I try to find it since the merch was announced. What do you need to google to get to it?
@@wolololer Sorry I'm not going to explain to you the concept of value and how the sources of value don't all come from kills, and trading a death for something could be strategy. Stay silver bub
@@Omnitual I agree with your take, there's definitely more ways to get an advantage, but I do think the homeguards when dying was pretty unfair super early on. My experience on bot lane at least has been that we manage to get a good fight, kill ppl 2v2, then by the time we finish pushing out the wave to leave it in a state that's good for us, due to respawn timers being super short and homeguard giving them so much ms compared to us the enemy is in a better position than us even when we did everything correctly. And I am sure stuff like this happens in solo lane too, cz pushing out is even slower there. It just feels pretty bad not being able to get a real advantage cz dying just gives you a buff. I've also had enemy support get to a play faster because they had just been killed even though I recalled immediately after the kill and ran there too, but he just got there faster cz of ... playing worse? That's really not fun, solo laners have teleport to help if they make a mistake, if you die 100 times in lane it's your fault not the homeguards.
@@eVillAnime-w3f legit. Blinding TopLane will be so cancer. Idk what they are going to do, but they have to somehow nerf counterpicking or will just quit the role or even the game.
Kinda stupid to keep nerfing one of the guys that keeps the scene fresh and interesting. He has had deliberate nerfs several times last year for his playstyle, seems like a bad option to me.
This time it wasn’t actually a target nerf to Baus for the most part. It’s moreso for the Noxus season that’s suppose to support fighting and snowballing
@animeanime7849 idk about you but snowball change seems to support ff15, so it's still a bad changes (riot really wanna put league players back into the addiction😂😂😂😂)
You thought top wasn't fun in season 14, well oh boy just you wait... Counter-pick is mandatory because if you die 1v1 the lane is insta lost, if you die from a gank the lane is insta lost, hell even if you try to proxy and execute your tempo's gone, all without any increased agency for top laners in the game _and_ the return of Hashinshin TP. It's like Riot's trying to target Baus specifically but instead they're carpet bombing all of top lane.
Top lane was fine this year I thougt. Your opponent makes 1 mistake you take the shutdowns and the plates and yourr gucci. I dont wanna imagine next year tho
They legit target nerfed Baus for a while now. Removed spell activation during zombie phase Nerfed plating system Nerfed Ult Cooldown Nerfed Death Timers Increased Gold/Exp gained to Champs with high Deaths And now this There is literally no excuse that Riot is NOT target nerfing Baus
@@petiks6391 depends on your definition of exploitation I guess. Baus is merely using the tools given to him by Riot themselves. There's no rule saying you aren't allowed to proxy or any handbook provided of step by step you -have to- play. Nor is he exploiting any bugs or anything. League is supposed to strategic and tactical. But for some reason Riot nerf anyone who is true to the word. Not just Baus.
@@petiks6391 he catered his tactics to what the game was back then, found extremely unique and fun ways and they destroyed it to the ground and now forcing it to be unusable. thats not balancing thats deleting creativity and individuality, turning it soulless and everyone into robots who play the same way
This is crazy the whole point of homeguards was to let those who died get back to lane fast. Ik the meme about riot target nerfing baus but at this point i feel like phreak has a gun pointed at the balance team's head to make sure baus is never able to play the game his way.
Right? If this is the case, you get solo killled once, the lane is jover. The enemy can just back, get stronger, solo kill you again then repeat. It's legit just free gold and plates, are junglers forced to clear it out by ganking now?
@@Akynam yes but one mistake from 3-5 minutes could cost your entire lane. Its not that you should be rewarded. Moreso you just shouldn't be punished that hard that early into the game
@@ash-jc3lg ok but right now you would often get punished for actually trying or killing your opponent as he would get into lane faster and you would be in a very bad spot regardless first blood, i think this is by any means just a positive change in comparison to the previous state of top. I do agree that there should be a limit on how much you get punished for a smaller mistake.
@@Akynam Come on. Toplane already is a hell, the one who gets the first kill abuse the other and snowball easily being the lane so long, now its gonna be even worst.
Riot just killed late game comebacks. Your lane is basically over after being ganked once. With Void Grubs and Atakan its basically impossible to comeback unless the opponents made stupid mistakes
basically camp top make enemy toplaner life absolutely miserable and spawn atakhan that you get for free because by 20 min enemy top will be down 60 cs and 3 levels
-You die -If you gave fb, you gave opponents half the boot upgrade -Wait longer to respawn -Run to lane without homeguard -Get back to lane with more cs and xp lost compared to s14 -Your laner got flower so he's not only up gold, xp and tempo but raw stats as well -You just try to get xp or risk dying again by walking up -Also Atakan can show up, and you have lower chances to contest it because weaker. -But nexus turrets can respawn now!
This is actually just a complete top lane nerf this lane is just completely killed. Especially turret respawn because top laners are the most notorious for abusing lack of turrets to pressure ending the game. And home guard this is just a miserable change.
btw. where do people get the no homeguard from? the /dev blog talks about unlocking a weaker homeguard from the start (so both death and recall) , you still get the homeguard buff no?
Its so sad how much Baus is doing for Riot and their community and they treat him like trash for it. They are heavily forcing him into becoming a regular player these changes. It might be better for him in the long run but it removes a whole part of the game he worked hard for to master.
Unfortunately Riot has a very strict vision of how they want the game to be played, and have always been quick to act against any kind of playstyle they don't like. This one they especially have focused on, because it abuses flaws in the gameplay design. They don't have anything against him so much as he is the face of the strategy they hate. It just doesn't lend itself to the flashier gameplay they want, and has a strong resemblance to just running it down. I think it'd be way more interesting if they did let strategies like this flourish more, and just trim up the most degenerate parts of it.
@@SlarkeSSC Not gonna lie, it's fun to watch their scrims, but I also hate seeing the Sion tactic in my games. It's not fun to be his teammate and it's not fun to be on the enemy team either. But imo this isn't a targeted nerf, this is because everyone is complaining about how getting a kill in lane ends up a lot of times being a detriment to you. Unless you play with teleport you'll actually be behind if you get a kill, push out the wave and recall. Even if you instantly recall if you're lucky to have the wave in a good state you're actually still probably there later than your enemy and 300 gold is actually not gonna make that huge of a difference most of the time. I've also had times on bot lane we get a 2v2 kill on the support, I instantly recall to go to a play mid or grubs and I get there later than the enemy support because he died and got the ms buff. So us getting a good play bot lane results in a big loss for the whole team. Somehow feels unfair.
Brothers I just found a comic named legend reboot, it's literally a comic inspired by league pro play in china, and the first match of the team made by the protagonist goes against the oldest team in china, that just reminded me of Los ratones against T1 (it was also on a show match and they even have a player of the other team)
Here's the run down of the FIRST BLOOD CHANGES. Shit's called "Feats of strength" If your team gets two out of these three objectives first you get a team wide buff. First Blood First Tower First Three Epic Jungle Monsters (Drakes, Herald, any 3 Void Grubs) This Buff will immediately grant a small bonus to any tier 2 boots. This is retroactive, so if you already have tier 2 boots when you get Feats, they’ll get the bonus immediately. If you buy them later, they’ll also get the bonus, so don’t worry about changing up when you buy boots to get this buff After completing two legendary items, a player on the Feat winning team can spend gold to upgrade their boots to tier 3, which grants another small stat bonus and a unique effect depending on which boots you upgraded. Here’s an example of what the boot upgrades look like using Plated Steelcaps: Free Tier 2 Boot Bonus: +5 Armor Tier 3 Upgrade: Costs 750 gold, but provides +5 Armor, +5 Movement Speed, and a new unique passive that, after taking physical damage from a champion, grants the owner a physical shield for 10% of their maximum health for 5 seconds (with a 10 seconds cooldown). Each pair of boots will come with their own unique upgrades
That shield has a effective 5 second cooldown. Literally camille passive. You buy this and koorenik rookern and now you have shield for both magic and armor that the enemy needs to spend so much to get through.
Feels like riot want to force games end faster with all the snowball-y changes they have done in the past year, personally I feel like it makes games more like a coin-flip.
these changes are so ass man they force early game to be super important reduce comebacks make it feel like not even worth if you are playing the game well but from a losing position, the other team will be awarded more for just being better early
Imho - first blood challenge must be replaced witg "first 3 unique kills", so one mistake of one player won't loose whole game for team. Similar to 3 jungle monsters. Tower.. with platings its okay, still may be changed for "3 outer turrets"
Adrian Riven already said he is quitting TopLane. Highest risk role (starting in champ select) with lowest agency. IDK what they are thinking, but they may as well just remove TopLane as a role. Legit, at this point make it a 4v4 game.
Top isnt the role with the lowest agency but the second lowest , but the hard counterpicks def sucks . Im very for making league 4v4 tho , if we have to remove a role tho lets remove jng so finally games can be decided by what team has the best players and not what team has the best jng .
That's so weird. Either both players should get homeguard or if one of the players doesn't get homeguard it should be the player recalling to force them to make the choice between maintaining tempo or greeding for more gold to get a better item at the cost of letting the other player regain lane control. Why does the guy who has more gold from the exchange also get to maintain tempo for literally no reason other than "yeah but our other shitty mechanics let you abuse death"?
Lol it's not over. He says this everytime, yet he comes back even stronger lmao. This is the third year in a row this happened. I doubt that they are cooked.
Wait what? No homeguard after a death? That’s absurd, that gives so much incentive to just ff games, not being able to get back to lane fast enough after losing it.
@@flupsioopsy3388its both fun and the reality, its not even funny anymore. Most of us only laugh because its the way thing we can to ease the pain of watching our favorite player play style being gutted to non-existence. Home guard nerf make no sense, at that point might as well remove it completely which is a bit logical to change the game for the sake of changing it. Its very obvious riot does not like baus unorthodox play style and if they could remove him from existence, they most likely would.
@@Ashpkfmdmdmdmd Home guard nerfs make sense , rn if you solo kill early like before lvl 3 you are more punished for it than rewarded because you often cant crash it so you have to back and get freezed so you lose a lot of gold + exp for free , or you crash and die so its 1 for 1 which shouldnt be the case , its even worst if you play ignite and ennemy TP , TP nerf and homeguard nerf are here to make those solo kills counts more + give second summonor variability , and its a good thing to do , , solo early kills should put you ahead .
I'll keep it a stack, nerfing homeguard is actually braindead. Most of the Baus-targetted nerfs are because he's abusing degen strats that pretty much only he is good at. But the homeguard things i is just dumb.
That is absolutely abysmal for bottom and top. They encourage low kill games, but next season they introduced objectives that heavily incentivise going aggresive with atakan. Granted currently the other form atakan is slightly better but we need to see the numbers to judge that.
How on earth is this a good update? Am I missing something? Are we really celebrating making it EASIER to snowball an advantage and HARDER to come back after a death? This update is ass
on a positive side, the team that gets first blood 99% gets the enhanced boots like the mage mpen boots that also give %mpen now or the tabis that give a 10% max hp shield on 15 sec timer! cant wait to ff at 5
@@bigsmoke4592 He is correct. If you choose to fight 1v1 or get ganked and lose, you get punished much much more for it next season compared to right now. Not only feats of strenght but also homeguards change and tp change are all boosting snowballing. The only change that extends games is later baron and tower respawn but with so much snowball potential its possible that quite a lot of games will end before baron even spawns
@@nightingale8178 tower respawn is barely gonna change snowballing. if the snowballing is bad enough that your nexus turrets are gg you're 99% cooked anyway. i just do not get why theyre doing multiple changes at once that boost snowballing . tp changed, no homeguard on death and the insane tier 3 boots.
@@nightingale8178the pc team is trying so hard to copy wild rift but all the wild rift changes are present for both sides, while the pc changes are straight up dogshit, lose lane and jg game is over better ff
This could mean either A) more duelists being picked which thank fuck because I hate being stonewalled by a guy building tank and constantly just waiting for his jungler while I DARE to push for plates. B) More people picking counterpick champs. Scaling champs aren't that prevalent in toplane lately anyway so no issues there. The three people maining Kayle might have some problems though.
I mean it's a good change for the game imo but that really does kill Baus's playstyle. Tho he is a great player I am sure he will get used to it real quick.
We're focusing on Baus' good deaths but isn't this just gonna kill any fun left in top lane in general? You MUST counter-pick now, if you get counter-picked and die or get ganked the lane is insta loss and the rest of the game is miserable.
@@mrmcawesome9746 Ya pushing lane in correctly backing and cheating on 2nd or 3rd crash into permanent tempo is fucking unreal if you get homeguards on back. Any Elo above e2 will abuse this like mad
This just proves that Los Ratones can recover from anything, because the context of this is extremely dire and both Coach Caedrel and Baussi can laugh it off with a degree of slight awkwardness 😂
honestly, even if this is a targeted nerf, it feels so fucked up that now renek reached lv2 powerspike or idk darius and if you die you are so getting snowballed on. WHICH IS A THING RIOT TRIED TO NERF SO WTFFFFFFFFF
Clear target nerf as if 3 man and 4 man ganks don't exist. Sorry the enemy team sent the avengers under your tower, here's no homeguards and increase death timer to make it better
But honestly that change is huge Because you can get a wave a back Get another and back Get one more and back So their jungler never has time to come to your lane This wont help with the "comeback help", in fact helping the person snowball out of control, because they can kill, and then back and get back to lane before the guy they killed, thats never before seen. This will giga buff junglers aswell
baus made this playstile famous. this kind of strats and ways to play made league awesome for players who play 10 yers plus.but every time some idea to play the game different comes up riot nervs it to death and forces you to play the standard game. that just makes me sad
This is crazy... Riot always nerfing baus, like they dont even care anything just to make him dirty hard.... They dont even care, that the game absolutely crashes... Ridiculous
A long time ago you use to be able to upgrade your boots another tier. One of the upgrades was "Home Guards". After your recall you would regen HP & Mana exceptionally quick, alongside a movespeed boost when leaving the fountain. Eventually they go rid of those and just made it a default effect. In this case Baus is referring to that effect.
Movement speed you get when leaving base, currently it is given when you die and, after 20 min, when you enter fountain out of combat. From what I understand here it will not be given upon death anymore although it will be given since the start of the game in a weaker form, which will then scale as the game goes on. I think they did this to balance according to the new tp changes which will make it much slower.
@@FilippoBiagioni Thanks, we will see how Baus and LR adapt to it, maybe they figure out another strategy or find out weak points to exploit, which is Baus'es philosophy.
@@FilippoBiagioni Thanks, we will see how Baus and LR adapt to it, maybe they figure out another strategy or find out weak points to exploit, which is Baus'es philosophy.
Could RIOT just publicly address this at this point, need a god damn spreadsheet to go over every instance something is nerfed that directly affects this players playstyle.
Locks himself in then drops the bomb lmao
I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me xdd
Riot heard Baus calling the Faker skin a scam and decided to suprise him in S15
Bausen Law getting challenged in court
Every nerf is so baus targetted im starting to think he has an actual descrimination case on his hands against riot.
Bausicm
@@catwbongos I choked
@@catwbongos Rito be like, if we can't nerf his pick pool then we nerf him itself then.
Honestly if it is, it makes sense. hahaha We all know what happens when a playstyle gets so popular. Everybody starts doing it. And it's such a hard playstyle to pull off, so most likely you'll get people uselessly inting.
just hating feeding to win it
your team suffers/ carries you till you get back
its not fun way to play with
Riot august : we dont target nerf player
they target strategy and maybe Baus is a strategist
he is so bad that he abuse a system and they nerf that system
@@Carachee That still literally means they are targeting baus. All nerfs from sion to hullbreaker, bounties to plating rewards, krug rewards to bausen law, someone has to be autistic to say riot not nerfing him.
They only want the game to be played one way. That is why it isn't as good as it once was.
@@adamnagel7436 true
Another Baus targeted nerf 😂😂😂
but like why do they keep doing this to him...
@@stonecat676 riot is tired of Players like baus or tilterella that play in unconventional ways that are fun and make it work
@@stonecat676 Because people keep trying to copy his tactic, not realizing it's not going to work in their iron, bronze, silver, gold, plat, eme, and maybe even diamond games
@@NewMain-mu1nn Well there's a lot of conventional tactics a lesser player can copy and shit the bed still so
Cause you shouldn't be rewarded by feeding and/or playing bad
nah seriously, how many times is riot gonna target nerf someone but they can't even fix their bugs and the prices on their skins
or the abomination that's called THE CLIENT
pre worlds riot: how can we buff faker? riot rest of the year: how can we nerf baus?
This isn't a target nerf dude. As it stands, if you die first in top lane...you generally win the lane. The way the game currently works is omega fucked.
@@yGKeKe it is a target nerf cause he is currently one of the biggest league streamers, pulling tyler1 retired numbers rn, the last thing riot wants is people to imitate an unique playstyle and ruin their data
@@yGKeKe Another change to support the ff15 gang. Players with good fundamentals like Alois are gonna be having unbreakable steamroll lmao
Increased death timers plus no homeguard if you die just make top feel terrible to play in general.
"Oh you got dove? AND you don't have tp? GG have fun being behind 30 cs and 2 levels" playing scaling champs in top will simply be impossible
I feel like champs with movespeed abiltiies, or ones that can run ignite and rush boots will be good.
And new tp is really slow too keep that also in mind
Hecarim top angle
@@davidhayes9657 I dont it matters. It will be a Jungle diff. You will be able to legit win the game at level 2 as a Jungler.
what a good way to start a VOD, when caedrel said "you're jailed off buddy" then baus drop his uno reverse card, same vibes of "I'm not locked here with you, you're locked here with me"
bought my LR shirt yesterday, looks like its gonna become a collector item - only piece of merch from when LR Baus was a thing stonks going crazy rn lfg
Where do you buy it from? Can't find it at all
@@LeagueOfLegendsQc it sold out after they won the t1 match
@@LeagueOfLegendsQc yeah it sold out mad quick i got it from the LR website but when i clicked in and picked my size it was thankfully still in stock so i snapped on one quick cuz i saw other sizes were sold out
@@timmyahn6927 Where the heck is the LR website? Like seriously I try to find it since the merch was announced. What do you need to google to get to it?
love to see that Riot really wants that "die once, leave game" playstyle to come back to league
Forreal they thought these soft players to afk faster lmaooo
ff5
@@Omnitual yeah lets promote a system where some1 is constantly dieing and still ahead of the oponent lol
@@wolololer Sorry I'm not going to explain to you the concept of value and how the sources of value don't all come from kills, and trading a death for something could be strategy.
Stay silver bub
@@Omnitual I agree with your take, there's definitely more ways to get an advantage, but I do think the homeguards when dying was pretty unfair super early on. My experience on bot lane at least has been that we manage to get a good fight, kill ppl 2v2, then by the time we finish pushing out the wave to leave it in a state that's good for us, due to respawn timers being super short and homeguard giving them so much ms compared to us the enemy is in a better position than us even when we did everything correctly. And I am sure stuff like this happens in solo lane too, cz pushing out is even slower there. It just feels pretty bad not being able to get a real advantage cz dying just gives you a buff. I've also had enemy support get to a play faster because they had just been killed even though I recalled immediately after the kill and ran there too, but he just got there faster cz of ... playing worse? That's really not fun, solo laners have teleport to help if they make a mistake, if you die 100 times in lane it's your fault not the homeguards.
Next season sounds like absolute aids. The lane will be completely over if you get solo killed once. Holy fuck.
yea that sounds like a horrible change for toplane, for midlane though... first good change in years bro finally my solokills will matter
Pyke is good again@@eVillAnime-w3f
@@eVillAnime-w3f legit. Blinding TopLane will be so cancer. Idk what they are going to do, but they have to somehow nerf counterpicking or will just quit the role or even the game.
@@bohomazdesign725 nerf counter picking with 150 champions xD u want every champ to be the same or what
I mean we’re going back to the early seasons before home guard existed
Riot always target nerfs Baus. After baus climb on Korea, they really are after him
Imagine target nerfing a player who never played in a major league. Baus aura is just that threatening. Truly the Messi of league.
I still reminisce about the prowlers claw passive Sion. Riot are pulling apart the baus piece by piece. Discrimination
tbf using item actives in sion death form was just pure bs. its the same as when they introduced healing while in zhonyas. thats just bullshit.
@@Florian-yk8vgyou can still use item actives in passive
Kinda stupid to keep nerfing one of the guys that keeps the scene fresh and interesting. He has had deliberate nerfs several times last year for his playstyle, seems like a bad option to me.
it s not like a mayority of the players use his tactics and it gets out of hand, so its kind of bothersome that this is ritos focus...
This time it wasn’t actually a target nerf to Baus for the most part. It’s moreso for the Noxus season that’s suppose to support fighting and snowballing
@animeanime7849 idk about you but snowball change seems to support ff15, so it's still a bad changes (riot really wanna put league players back into the addiction😂😂😂😂)
What? When else did he got target nerfed?
Sion s passive, turret damage and the bounty system @@123deserted
First ever player to willingly contract jail himself XD
that "Help me man, help me" at the end 🤣 he is talking seriously !!!
Riot is so scared of letting players creatively play the game, they want everyone to play the exact same. Where's the fun in that
You thought top wasn't fun in season 14, well oh boy just you wait... Counter-pick is mandatory because if you die 1v1 the lane is insta lost, if you die from a gank the lane is insta lost, hell even if you try to proxy and execute your tempo's gone, all without any increased agency for top laners in the game _and_ the return of Hashinshin TP. It's like Riot's trying to target Baus specifically but instead they're carpet bombing all of top lane.
Toplaners thinking theyre the carry who do they think they are midlaners? Just shutup and tp botlane
Hello everyone, im the lawyer of the guy who commented above me:
HE IS JOKING.
Top lane was fine this year I thougt. Your opponent makes 1 mistake you take the shutdowns and the plates and yourr gucci. I dont wanna imagine next year tho
@@zym6687 Bot fight breaks out. TP botlane. 8 seconds. Fight already ended by the time you get there.
@@justinjakeashton ????? top gap
Riot August: “We don’t specifically target nerf a person”
They legit target nerfed Baus for a while now.
Removed spell activation during zombie phase
Nerfed plating system
Nerfed Ult Cooldown
Nerfed Death Timers
Increased Gold/Exp gained to Champs with high Deaths
And now this
There is literally no excuse that Riot is NOT target nerfing Baus
Zombie tower DMG nerf
Because baus continuously discovers exploits and they need to balance the game
@@petiks6391 depends on your definition of exploitation I guess.
Baus is merely using the tools given to him by Riot themselves. There's no rule saying you aren't allowed to proxy or any handbook provided of step by step you -have to- play. Nor is he exploiting any bugs or anything.
League is supposed to strategic and tactical. But for some reason Riot nerf anyone who is true to the word. Not just Baus.
@@petiks6391 he catered his tactics to what the game was back then, found extremely unique and fun ways and they destroyed it to the ground and now forcing it to be unusable. thats not balancing thats deleting creativity and individuality, turning it soulless and everyone into robots who play the same way
@@petiks6391 who tf plays like baus? lmost noone so it is target nerfing him .
This is crazy the whole point of homeguards was to let those who died get back to lane fast. Ik the meme about riot target nerfing baus but at this point i feel like phreak has a gun pointed at the balance team's head to make sure baus is never able to play the game his way.
Right? If this is the case, you get solo killled once, the lane is jover. The enemy can just back, get stronger, solo kill you again then repeat. It's legit just free gold and plates, are junglers forced to clear it out by ganking now?
Why should you get rewarded for doing something wrong ? What is this logic :D
@@Akynam yes but one mistake from 3-5 minutes could cost your entire lane. Its not that you should be rewarded. Moreso you just shouldn't be punished that hard that early into the game
@@ash-jc3lg ok but right now you would often get punished for actually trying or killing your opponent as he would get into lane faster and you would be in a very bad spot regardless first blood, i think this is by any means just a positive change in comparison to the previous state of top. I do agree that there should be a limit on how much you get punished for a smaller mistake.
@@Akynam Come on. Toplane already is a hell, the one who gets the first kill abuse the other and snowball easily being the lane so long, now its gonna be even worst.
Baus will adapt like he always does, this one seems brutal to overcome for him tho
Riot just killed late game comebacks. Your lane is basically over after being ganked once. With Void Grubs and Atakan its basically impossible to comeback unless the opponents made stupid mistakes
Maybe they will revert the changes once they see the in game impact --- thats such a good point.
You should DM headquarters with that
basically camp top make enemy toplaner life absolutely miserable and spawn atakhan that you get for free because by 20 min enemy top will be down 60 cs and 3 levels
Not to mention the new feats of strength. After the first death, there are so many factors that can set the losing team back so hard. It’s egregious.
GG riot is scared for T1 after LR beat them
Why be scared of T1 when KT exists.
Riot hating fun as usual
why do we play this shit game
-You die
-If you gave fb, you gave opponents half the boot upgrade
-Wait longer to respawn
-Run to lane without homeguard
-Get back to lane with more cs and xp lost compared to s14
-Your laner got flower so he's not only up gold, xp and tempo but raw stats as well
-You just try to get xp or risk dying again by walking up
-Also Atakan can show up, and you have lower chances to contest it because weaker.
-But nexus turrets can respawn now!
I know that 1 death is not a lane lost, but so much lanes feel like torture if you get a bad death.
This is actually just a complete top lane nerf this lane is just completely killed. Especially turret respawn because top laners are the most notorious for abusing lack of turrets to pressure ending the game. And home guard this is just a miserable change.
@@АнненковАртемий I'm quitting the game. No way I'm playing top lane like this.
btw. where do people get the no homeguard from? the /dev blog talks about unlocking a weaker homeguard from the start (so both death and recall) , you still get the homeguard buff no?
Its so sad how much Baus is doing for Riot and their community and they treat him like trash for it. They are heavily forcing him into becoming a regular player these changes. It might be better for him in the long run but it removes a whole part of the game he worked hard for to master.
It's less fun when everyone plays the exact same thing
Unfortunately Riot has a very strict vision of how they want the game to be played, and have always been quick to act against any kind of playstyle they don't like. This one they especially have focused on, because it abuses flaws in the gameplay design. They don't have anything against him so much as he is the face of the strategy they hate. It just doesn't lend itself to the flashier gameplay they want, and has a strong resemblance to just running it down. I think it'd be way more interesting if they did let strategies like this flourish more, and just trim up the most degenerate parts of it.
@@SlarkeSSC Not gonna lie, it's fun to watch their scrims, but I also hate seeing the Sion tactic in my games. It's not fun to be his teammate and it's not fun to be on the enemy team either. But imo this isn't a targeted nerf, this is because everyone is complaining about how getting a kill in lane ends up a lot of times being a detriment to you. Unless you play with teleport you'll actually be behind if you get a kill, push out the wave and recall. Even if you instantly recall if you're lucky to have the wave in a good state you're actually still probably there later than your enemy and 300 gold is actually not gonna make that huge of a difference most of the time.
I've also had times on bot lane we get a 2v2 kill on the support, I instantly recall to go to a play mid or grubs and I get there later than the enemy support because he died and got the ms buff. So us getting a good play bot lane results in a big loss for the whole team. Somehow feels unfair.
two options. either Baus is cooked or next season we get a Baus skin
Feel like all the rats will be sending emails to Phreak to get this changed
Every toplaners in the game would, especially the OTPs. Getting counter-picked and dove once and the lane would be over.
might aswell play vayne everytime at this point and play for exp + cs we might see quinn vs vayne or jhin vs vayne top lmao
he may need moby boots instead of swifties now and adapt to that baussi
Brothers I just found a comic named legend reboot, it's literally a comic inspired by league pro play in china, and the first match of the team made by the protagonist goes against the oldest team in china, that just reminded me of Los ratones against T1 (it was also on a show match and they even have a player of the other team)
Here's the run down of the FIRST BLOOD CHANGES. Shit's called "Feats of strength"
If your team gets two out of these three objectives first you get a team wide buff.
First Blood
First Tower
First Three Epic Jungle Monsters (Drakes, Herald, any 3 Void Grubs)
This Buff will immediately grant a small bonus to any tier 2 boots. This is retroactive, so if you already have tier 2 boots when you get Feats, they’ll get the bonus immediately. If you buy them later, they’ll also get the bonus, so don’t worry about changing up when you buy boots to get this buff
After completing two legendary items, a player on the Feat winning team can spend gold to upgrade their boots to tier 3, which grants another small stat bonus and a unique effect depending on which boots you upgraded.
Here’s an example of what the boot upgrades look like using Plated Steelcaps:
Free Tier 2 Boot Bonus: +5 Armor
Tier 3 Upgrade: Costs 750 gold, but provides +5 Armor, +5 Movement Speed, and a new unique passive that, after taking physical damage from a champion, grants the owner a physical shield for 10% of their maximum health for 5 seconds (with a 10 seconds cooldown).
Each pair of boots will come with their own unique upgrades
That shield has a effective 5 second cooldown. Literally camille passive. You buy this and koorenik rookern and now you have shield for both magic and armor that the enemy needs to spend so much to get through.
Feels like riot want to force games end faster with all the snowball-y changes they have done in the past year, personally I feel like it makes games more like a coin-flip.
these changes are so ass man they force early game to be super important reduce comebacks make it feel like not even worth if you are playing the game well but from a losing position, the other team will be awarded more for just being better early
Imho - first blood challenge must be replaced witg "first 3 unique kills", so one mistake of one player won't loose whole game for team. Similar to 3 jungle monsters.
Tower.. with platings its okay, still may be changed for "3 outer turrets"
@ They should make the kills best of 5. I mean 5 roles so it makes sense
ok someone needs to make a list of all the target nerfs baus' had to go through by now xdd
Adrian Riven already said he is quitting TopLane.
Highest risk role (starting in champ select) with lowest agency. IDK what they are thinking, but they may as well just remove TopLane as a role. Legit, at this point make it a 4v4 game.
Top isnt the role with the lowest agency but the second lowest , but the hard counterpicks def sucks . Im very for making league 4v4 tho , if we have to remove a role tho lets remove jng so finally games can be decided by what team has the best players and not what team has the best jng .
Another targeted baus nerf
Toplane turbonerfed from low impact to no impact if you die just once!! Nice rito
Riot is literally target nerfing baus. desperately trying to kill his playstyle
So you get punished for dying and then the opponent gets to reset for free, gj rito
Next patch: if you’re baus you start the game with -10000 gold and destroying a tower instantly kills you
Baus solokilling faker was just too much for riot
I guess Riot saw the “I solo killed Faker” video.
That's so weird. Either both players should get homeguard or if one of the players doesn't get homeguard it should be the player recalling to force them to make the choice between maintaining tempo or greeding for more gold to get a better item at the cost of letting the other player regain lane control.
Why does the guy who has more gold from the exchange also get to maintain tempo for literally no reason other than "yeah but our other shitty mechanics let you abuse death"?
I thought the target nerf stuff was bs but this is ridiculous now, every strat he does, every champion he plays
Lol it's not over. He says this everytime, yet he comes back even stronger lmao. This is the third year in a row this happened. I doubt that they are cooked.
Rito couldn't stop Thebauffs, they could only hope to contain him.
Well, devs are accelerating the league timeline.
Time to activate plot armor and discard all hurtful changes for los ratones
Riot: this guy killed our dear boy Faker, he is a menace, we need to go hard against him.
Rioter2: you mean harder?
so teleport is even more mandatory on solo lanes now wp riot
Wait what? No homeguard after a death? That’s absurd, that gives so much incentive to just ff games, not being able to get back to lane fast enough after losing it.
Baus managed to survive with his strat until now but this is really just a nail in the coffin
Why does Riot hate Baus so much? You'd think they'd be proud to have someone that clever and skilled. Leave the dude alone ffs.
tbh the first "very obvious target nerf" was quite fun, but its gettin out of hands real quick xdd
@flupsioopsy3388 no matter how good Faker is he never forced Riot to fundamentally remake the game.
@@flupsioopsy3388its both fun and the reality, its not even funny anymore.
Most of us only laugh because its the way thing we can to ease the pain of watching our favorite player play style being gutted to non-existence.
Home guard nerf make no sense, at that point might as well remove it completely which is a bit logical to change the game for the sake of changing it.
Its very obvious riot does not like baus unorthodox play style and if they could remove him from existence, they most likely would.
sion passive does less dmg to turrets (not a target nerf obviously how could it be)
@@Ashpkfmdmdmdmd Home guard nerfs make sense , rn if you solo kill early like before lvl 3 you are more punished for it than rewarded because you often cant crash it so you have to back and get freezed so you lose a lot of gold + exp for free , or you crash and die so its 1 for 1 which shouldnt be the case , its even worst if you play ignite and ennemy TP , TP nerf and homeguard nerf are here to make those solo kills counts more + give second summonor variability , and its a good thing to do , , solo early kills should put you ahead .
Another Nerf for the Messi of league...
At least Baus got his paycheck locked in lol
what is homeguard, is that the speedboost you get when running back to lane?
yes
Well, it was fun for the one stage game that it lasted.
Baus said he was untouchable after saying he was going to sell his account and that the Faker skin was a ripoff. Riot just tagged him.
He did say that didnt he kek
Getting solo killed in a counter match up is already hard enough 😂😂😂
I'll keep it a stack, nerfing homeguard is actually braindead. Most of the Baus-targetted nerfs are because he's abusing degen strats that pretty much only he is good at. But the homeguard things i is just dumb.
baus gonna be rushing those new empowered recall boots now XD
That is absolutely abysmal for bottom and top. They encourage low kill games, but next season they introduced objectives that heavily incentivise going aggresive with atakan. Granted currently the other form atakan is slightly better but we need to see the numbers to judge that.
I'm never playing toplane anymore. That shit is unplayable now
Looks like Faker made a phone call after being solo killed by the Baus
How on earth is this a good update? Am I missing something? Are we really celebrating making it EASIER to snowball an advantage and HARDER to come back after a death? This update is ass
on a positive side, the team that gets first blood 99% gets the enhanced boots like the mage mpen boots that also give %mpen now or the tabis that give a 10% max hp shield on 15 sec timer!
cant wait to ff at 5
tell me you actually read the changes before this judgment
@@bigsmoke4592 He is correct. If you choose to fight 1v1 or get ganked and lose, you get punished much much more for it next season compared to right now. Not only feats of strenght but also homeguards change and tp change are all boosting snowballing. The only change that extends games is later baron and tower respawn but with so much snowball potential its possible that quite a lot of games will end before baron even spawns
@@nightingale8178 tower respawn is barely gonna change snowballing. if the snowballing is bad enough that your nexus turrets are gg you're 99% cooked anyway. i just do not get why theyre doing multiple changes at once that boost snowballing . tp changed, no homeguard on death and the insane tier 3 boots.
@@nightingale8178the pc team is trying so hard to copy wild rift but all the wild rift changes are present for both sides, while the pc changes are straight up dogshit, lose lane and jg game is over better ff
I remember Riot statement: fun over fair. Was a lie.
Now it will be Stomp or afk
It really does seem like the past 5 patches have nerfed something that specifically destroys Baus' strategy
riot actually despises him
At this point it should be a bullying case get the rat lawyers
Consider it a Riot punishment for calling them scam on Faker skin. 😂😂😂
So movement speed and mobility will go from being the most important stat in the game to the 1sst 2nd and 3rd most important stat in the game
SB: please make a list of baus targeted nerfs.
This could mean either
A) more duelists being picked which thank fuck because I hate being stonewalled by a guy building tank and constantly just waiting for his jungler while I DARE to push for plates.
B) More people picking counterpick champs. Scaling champs aren't that prevalent in toplane lately anyway so no issues there. The three people maining Kayle might have some problems though.
Garen will be meta, just chilling under tower with passive. Great fun
I mean it's a good change for the game imo but that really does kill Baus's playstyle. Tho he is a great player I am sure he will get used to it real quick.
He has reached challenger without the death strat. This patch just nukes that strat for good.
How is this a good change?
We're focusing on Baus' good deaths but isn't this just gonna kill any fun left in top lane in general? You MUST counter-pick now, if you get counter-picked and die or get ganked the lane is insta loss and the rest of the game is miserable.
@@mrmcawesome9746 Ya pushing lane in correctly backing and cheating on 2nd or 3rd crash into permanent tempo is fucking unreal if you get homeguards on back. Any Elo above e2 will abuse this like mad
@GabrieleLazzati With TP nerfs as well it makes it so winning the lane actually matters.
Thank you, Baus.
Whiplash playing in the bg is pure cinema
But also, hear me out, wouldn't Symbiotic Boots have more use with the homeguard on recall now? New symbiotic proxy strat without dying?
So the person who gets the solo kill is going to base and get homeguard while the person who died has to walk back to lane without it? lol
Wtf i thought its whole purpose of homeguard, to help you get on lane when you die
This just proves that Los Ratones can recover from anything, because the context of this is extremely dire and both Coach Caedrel and Baussi can laugh it off with a degree of slight awkwardness 😂
we aint catching the wave on this one
good recall angle it is
honestly, even if this is a targeted nerf, it feels so fucked up that now renek reached lv2 powerspike or idk darius and if you die you are so getting snowballed on. WHICH IS A THING RIOT TRIED TO NERF SO WTFFFFFFFFF
Clear target nerf as if 3 man and 4 man ganks don't exist. Sorry the enemy team sent the avengers under your tower, here's no homeguards and increase death timer to make it better
Nah but what is wrong with riot, why are they targetting this poor guy
Seeing Caedrel listen to ITZY wasn't on my bingo card, but here we are
Edit: Neither was seeing him listen to aespa what the heeeeeelll xD
caedrel is a kpopper he listens to it quite often (ofc girl groups) 😂
tp getting even stronger with that death nerf
But honestly that change is huge
Because you can get a wave a back
Get another and back
Get one more and back
So their jungler never has time to come to your lane
This wont help with the "comeback help", in fact helping the person snowball out of control, because they can kill, and then back and get back to lane before the guy they killed, thats never before seen. This will giga buff junglers aswell
baus made this playstile famous. this kind of strats and ways to play made league awesome for players who play 10 yers plus.but every time some idea to play the game different comes up riot nervs it to death and forces you to play the standard game. that just makes me sad
This is crazy... Riot always nerfing baus, like they dont even care anything just to make him dirty hard.... They dont even care, that the game absolutely crashes... Ridiculous
1 more Baus nerf Classic at this point
Wait that makes that boots for recall extremely viable or maybe OP hmmmm
Baus thought Riot was just gonna let him solo Faker that easily
Riot hit the red button after watching Baus solo kill Faker
Riot really said: We don't need another Demon King
Bros what are home guards?
A long time ago you use to be able to upgrade your boots another tier. One of the upgrades was "Home Guards". After your recall you would regen HP & Mana exceptionally quick, alongside a movespeed boost when leaving the fountain. Eventually they go rid of those and just made it a default effect. In this case Baus is referring to that effect.
Movement speed you get when leaving base, currently it is given when you die and, after 20 min, when you enter fountain out of combat. From what I understand here it will not be given upon death anymore although it will be given since the start of the game in a weaker form, which will then scale as the game goes on. I think they did this to balance according to the new tp changes which will make it much slower.
@@Aegisfromashes I see, thanks for the contextualized explanation.
@@FilippoBiagioni Thanks, we will see how Baus and LR adapt to it, maybe they figure out another strategy or find out weak points to exploit, which is Baus'es philosophy.
@@FilippoBiagioni Thanks, we will see how Baus and LR adapt to it, maybe they figure out another strategy or find out weak points to exploit, which is Baus'es philosophy.
Lmao the snowballing is fked
so what im hearing is that top is now just get first blood = completely win lane?
Thank you Baus.
Could RIOT just publicly address this at this point, need a god damn spreadsheet to go over every instance something is nerfed that directly affects this players playstyle.
He just cmlocked caedrel 😂