Nice to hear about Tatting. I learned making the knot 50 years ago from a lady that was the age I have now. I bought a book to learn more because she didn’t live near me. Until the internet came I made doilies out of books but when internet came my skills improved because there became so much explanations about technique available. TH-cam is a great medium and todays people are very lucky because you can learn new skills so much faster. I always found my making lace by tatting special because I didn’t know, beside the lady I learned from, that knew this kind of making lace. I also like crochet and knitting . Today I am working on an doily from Jan Stawasz who has an interesting technique. Thank you for covering this with some background information.
It's so true that today with TH-cam learning something is so much easier. Especially for seeing how it is done, what a book just can't provide. Have fun with you current project and thank you for your comment! Cheers Nany
I am a tatter! Glad I came across this podcast. Ladies, the projects you start, and then make a mistake, or abandon, I can relate to that! And you are right, it is time consuming. But the hobby of tatting is very inexpensive. The bits and bobs where I forgot to join my rings, or joined to the wrong spot, that snippet, no matter the size, ends up marking my go to recipes in the cookbook. And then I start over. Over time you will become proficient and make less mistakes. In the begining I felt like the movie Rainman counting out load or in my head. That too gets better. But recently I have attached lace to the edging of a pillowcase. I am currently working on the edging of a handkerchief. I find I pick up my shuttles and tat when I get really stressed. As I tat, the tension and knots in life get captured in the lace. The ugly in life gets captured in such a beautiful strand of thread. I can only imagine how hard Queen victoria’s lace makers worked!
I loved this video! Thank you! I do bobbin lace but recently a friend offered to give me some tatting shuttles. It would be a few weeks until I saw her, so I decided to start watching TH-cam videos to get prepared. I saw a video on the channel “Frivole” and she showed how to make your own shuttles. She showed it with cardboard, but I made mine with a piece of plastic. So I’ve been doing all my tatting with my handmade shuttle so far. I love how portable this craft is compared to bobbin lace. It will be a great hobby to take on holiday etc.
The way I save the patterns that I like or want to do again is thus: I use index cards, similar to the old way of keeping cooking instructions. Some patterns require many cards so I clip them together while working and number each card to keep it in order. Then when they are to be saved they go into index card boxes. Samples that are successful are tagged to identify them and they go into a box with a close fitting lid. I enjoyed seeing you introduce tatting. Thank you.
May I add this to my method of using index cards for patterns is that it can be on the arm of a chair or placed upon the leg or knee while sitting in a chair and also on the work table it does not take up very much room. In transport, there is room in a knitting bag or basket.
That is definitely a huge advantage! Big patterns almost always prevent me from working on a project because of the hustle to deal with it... Greetings Nany
Hello, currently working on a tatted yoke as well. I have made a sample book of the patters I make, and I make them out of different sized threads so I can see how the size changes based on the thread size.
That's quite smart to actually make samples in different thread sizes! I imagine that those samples must be beautiful to look at when put into a sample book! Cheers, Clara
Very interesting! Tatting is amazing, although I'm terrible at it 😂But yours looks gorgeous. About the corset cover- I do believe it's from the 1910s, I saw a magazine from 1912 that showed a very similar one. It's funny because I tried to make it a long time ago but I had no clue about the pattern, until recently; I bought a Spanish sewing manual from 1922 and there were plenty of corset cover patterns, including that particular style!
Thank you! :) That's great to know, that I wasn't that way off with my assumption that it might be from the 1910s. Do you know the name of the sewing manual? I'm looking for some sources and patterns that might help me with a project.
There is an English reference to tatting in 1755. No one knows the origin of most textile arts. I can't imagine tatting ever used for sheets or coverlets or female undergarments. It's so time consuming and does not create a dense fabric such as weaving. I have never seen any patterns over the past 200 years larger than a shawl or alter cloth. One of the most famous tatters was Queen Elzabeth of Romania. She and Lady Katherine Hoare wrote and promoted tatting under the pseudonym Carmen Sylva. She tatted with colored thread for church vestments, but the book they published pre-WWI is in black and white. There is a statue of her in Romania with tatting shuttle and fabric in her hands. Her daughter-in-law was Queen Victoria's granddaughter. When WWI broke out, they were exiled from Romania and the family was taken in by the United States. The Univeristy of Ohio has the families documents and photo collection.
@@taixtile I found something interesting in another book! The book is called Tatting The contemporary art of knotting with a shuttle by Rhoda L. Auld. "A photograph taken in the 19th century provides us with an important clue as to how knotting became tatting. Recently discovered and reproduced in Antiques (July 1969), It shows one of a pair of blue chair covers made in 1750 by Mary Granville Delany, which "are bordered with a beautiful pattern... Of oak leaves cut out in white linen and tack down with different sorts of white knotting, which forms the veining and stalks." There we see that one row of Mrs Delany's couched, knotted threads undoubtedly consists of tatted rings." Pg 13 I've been searching all over the internet and it seems like a lot of stuff is behind academic paywalls. 🙄 You'd think, with as much as I paid my college, I would get a lifetime subscription to at least one academic site like jstor. 🤣 Anywho, I'm on eBay looking for that specific issue. It might be expensive, but I want to see this photo myself. And if I get the issue of Antiques, it's intact, and there's no photo of that chair- you can get your bottom that I'll be calling this book out. From some other resources, it appears that this is the first book to make this claim about the first evidence of tatting(in other resources, including what appears to be someone's thesis paper on needle crafts, there were books dated for after the book I cited that they sourced).
@@gracemakeslace Thank you for sharing this with us! I am hooked now, too, and will search for this issue here in Germany. It is way more unlikely to find it but, who knows... Keep us updated if you get your hands on it!
Historically tatting was often white or ecru, but many tatting patterns from the early 1900's do refer to colours being recommended for trimmings and items like gloves, collars and doilies. I've been tatting for 32 years, and love using colours in all my work. I make doilies, bookmarks, trimmings and jewellery. Maybe this is the difference you were talking about in Historical tatting and modern tatting? You prefer white for this?
That's true with time, colors were used more and more. I personally prefer white or one single color matching the rest of the potential garment. But that is a personal preference, I guess. Cheers Nany
Actually it's not that similar to crochet. When crocheting, you create loops or stitches that can be unraveled by pulling on your working thread. With tatting, you're actually creating knots. That means, that your work can only be undone by untying every single knot. Both techniques are quite different. Personally, I find tatting way easier than crocheting. It's simpler, as there are only two ways to create a knot, nothing more. I really recommend learning this technique 😊 Cheers, Clara
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I think TATTIN is coming from fishers!. I mean very early of the agriculture … oh this is only my thinking. Thank you for your video.
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO REPEAT WHAT YOU LEARNED...ON HARD COPY. IF THE INTERNET GOES DOWN...OR SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOUR COMPUTER, AS IT DID TO MINE...AND YOU LOSE EVERYTHING. IF YOU HAVE HARD COPY OR A SHARE WITH SOMEONE ELSE OR THREE...MAYBE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET IT ALL BACK. THE WORLD TODAY IS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR INFORMATION. DO A CHAPTER FOR YOUR BOOK. TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU DID AND THE PROBLEMS YOU OVERCAME.
I went to a group, ok have moved , tatting books I put in storage, waiting masons on , stuff .. can't do both at a same time uh-huh I believe in later...
I also would like to have a good reason to make tatted lace, I don't sew at all hehe Bit of my motivation has been to have a wedding gown fully made and designed by me & my mom, and either look like a goth vampire or an elegant lolita 😅
I've been working on tatting a lace cloak for months, and While I'd love to make it floor length, I've also been very tempted to make it long enough to wear like a penoir over top of one of my lolita dresses. If you tat an OP or JSK, please and I mean PLEASE tell me. I will share it with everyone I know, it's a huge undertaking!!!!
@@gracemakeslace That sounds so pretty, did you share your progress on SM? 😍 I'm a serious beginner, I attempted a simple lace tutorial once & got overwhelmed 😅 but I'm going to give it one more try. I haven't had the chance to become involved at Lolita fashion, but if there's a dress that would be tailored for me I'd really want to try a Lolita one 🥹
@@amozinshade484 sometimes I'll post updates. I'm only really on here and IG, however(same handle). And oh! I know Angelic Pretty got into MTO for custom measurements a while ago. I haven't been following releases since I acquired my dream dress, now to just fit in it. I used to be able to fit it before I scored it, so I'm hoping as I lose weight I'll be able to wear it. You should look into seeing if you have a local-ish comm. From my experience it's some of the best fun you'll have wearing the fashion.
Nice to hear about Tatting. I learned making the knot 50 years ago from a lady that was the age I have now. I bought a book to learn more because she didn’t live near me. Until the internet came I made doilies out of books but when internet came my skills improved because there became so much explanations about technique available. TH-cam is a great medium and todays people are very lucky because you can learn new skills so much faster. I always found my making lace by tatting special because I didn’t know, beside the lady I learned from, that knew this kind of making lace. I also like crochet and knitting . Today I am working on an doily from Jan Stawasz who has an interesting technique. Thank you for covering this with some background information.
It's so true that today with TH-cam learning something is so much easier.
Especially for seeing how it is done, what a book just can't provide.
Have fun with you current project and thank you for your comment!
Cheers Nany
I am a tatter! Glad I came across this podcast. Ladies, the projects you start, and then make a mistake, or abandon, I can relate to that! And you are right, it is time consuming. But the hobby of tatting is very inexpensive. The bits and bobs where I forgot to join my rings, or joined to the wrong spot, that snippet, no matter the size, ends up marking my go to recipes in the cookbook. And then I start over. Over time you will become proficient and make less mistakes. In the begining I felt like the movie Rainman counting out load or in my head. That too gets better. But recently I have attached lace to the edging of a pillowcase. I am currently working on the edging of a handkerchief. I find I pick up my shuttles and tat when I get really stressed. As I tat, the tension and knots in life get captured in the lace. The ugly in life gets captured in such a beautiful strand of thread. I can only imagine how hard Queen victoria’s lace makers worked!
I loved this video! Thank you! I do bobbin lace but recently a friend offered to give me some tatting shuttles. It would be a few weeks until I saw her, so I decided to start watching TH-cam videos to get prepared. I saw a video on the channel “Frivole” and she showed how to make your own shuttles. She showed it with cardboard, but I made mine with a piece of plastic. So I’ve been doing all my tatting with my handmade shuttle so far. I love how portable this craft is compared to bobbin lace. It will be a great hobby to take on holiday etc.
The way I save the patterns that I like or want to do again is thus: I use index cards, similar to the old way of keeping cooking instructions. Some patterns require many cards so I clip them together while working and number each card to keep it in order. Then when they are to be saved they go into index card boxes. Samples that are successful are tagged to identify them and they go into a box with a close fitting lid. I enjoyed seeing you introduce tatting. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing your way of storing patterns. Maybe we can incorporate that in someway. 😊
I use binders and page protector s to keep patterns for each type of craft with each other
May I add this to my method of using index cards for patterns is that it can be on the arm of a chair or placed upon the leg or knee while sitting in a chair and also on the work table it does not take up very much room. In transport, there is room in a knitting bag or basket.
That is definitely a huge advantage! Big patterns almost always prevent me from working on a project because of the hustle to deal with it...
Greetings Nany
Hello, currently working on a tatted yoke as well. I have made a sample book of the patters I make, and I make them out of different sized threads so I can see how the size changes based on the thread size.
That's quite smart to actually make samples in different thread sizes! I imagine that those samples must be beautiful to look at when put into a sample book!
Cheers,
Clara
Very interesting! Tatting is amazing, although I'm terrible at it 😂But yours looks gorgeous. About the corset cover- I do believe it's from the 1910s, I saw a magazine from 1912 that showed a very similar one. It's funny because I tried to make it a long time ago but I had no clue about the pattern, until recently; I bought a Spanish sewing manual from 1922 and there were plenty of corset cover patterns, including that particular style!
Thank you! :)
That's great to know, that I wasn't that way off with my assumption that it might be from the 1910s.
Do you know the name of the sewing manual? I'm looking for some sources and patterns that might help me with a project.
I take photos of finished projects and keep them in photos and also on a data stick
There is an English reference to tatting in 1755. No one knows the origin of most textile arts. I can't imagine tatting ever used for sheets or coverlets or female undergarments. It's so time consuming and does not create a dense fabric such as weaving. I have never seen any patterns over the past 200 years larger than a shawl or alter cloth.
One of the most famous tatters was Queen Elzabeth of Romania. She and Lady Katherine Hoare wrote and promoted tatting under the pseudonym Carmen Sylva. She tatted with colored thread for church vestments, but the book they published pre-WWI is in black and white. There is a statue of her in Romania with tatting shuttle and fabric in her hands. Her daughter-in-law was Queen Victoria's granddaughter. When WWI broke out, they were exiled from Romania and the family was taken in by the United States. The Univeristy of Ohio has the families documents and photo collection.
Thank you for your insights!
I will now do some research about Queen Elzabeth. I'm really curious to learn more.
Cheers Nany
Where is that reference? I'm trying to find it.
Unfortunately I just found the book about Queen Elzabeth yet, but if I find that reference, I will let you know!
@@taixtile I found something interesting in another book! The book is called Tatting The contemporary art of knotting with a shuttle by Rhoda L. Auld.
"A photograph taken in the 19th century provides us with an important clue as to how knotting became tatting. Recently discovered and reproduced in Antiques (July 1969), It shows one of a pair of blue chair covers made in 1750 by Mary Granville Delany, which "are bordered with a beautiful pattern... Of oak leaves cut out in white linen and tack down with different sorts of white knotting, which forms the veining and stalks." There we see that one row of Mrs Delany's couched, knotted threads undoubtedly consists of tatted rings." Pg 13
I've been searching all over the internet and it seems like a lot of stuff is behind academic paywalls. 🙄 You'd think, with as much as I paid my college, I would get a lifetime subscription to at least one academic site like jstor. 🤣
Anywho, I'm on eBay looking for that specific issue. It might be expensive, but I want to see this photo myself. And if I get the issue of Antiques, it's intact, and there's no photo of that chair- you can get your bottom that I'll be calling this book out. From some other resources, it appears that this is the first book to make this claim about the first evidence of tatting(in other resources, including what appears to be someone's thesis paper on needle crafts, there were books dated for after the book I cited that they sourced).
@@gracemakeslace Thank you for sharing this with us!
I am hooked now, too, and will search for this issue here in Germany. It is way more unlikely to find it but, who knows...
Keep us updated if you get your hands on it!
I love tatting. And your videos are just nice like both of you
Thank you so much! 🥰
Historically tatting was often white or ecru, but many tatting patterns from the early 1900's do refer to colours being recommended for trimmings and items like gloves, collars and doilies. I've been tatting for 32 years, and love using colours in all my work. I make doilies, bookmarks, trimmings and jewellery. Maybe this is the difference you were talking about in Historical tatting and modern tatting? You prefer white for this?
That's true with time, colors were used more and more.
I personally prefer white or one single color matching the rest of the potential garment. But that is a personal preference, I guess.
Cheers Nany
Is it similar to crochet? Thanks
Actually it's not that similar to crochet. When crocheting, you create loops or stitches that can be unraveled by pulling on your working thread. With tatting, you're actually creating knots. That means, that your work can only be undone by untying every single knot. Both techniques are quite different.
Personally, I find tatting way easier than crocheting. It's simpler, as there are only two ways to create a knot, nothing more. I really recommend learning this technique 😊
Cheers,
Clara
I think TATTIN is coming from fishers!. I mean very early of the agriculture … oh this is only my thinking. Thank you for your video.
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO REPEAT WHAT YOU LEARNED...ON HARD COPY. IF THE INTERNET GOES DOWN...OR SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOUR COMPUTER, AS IT DID TO MINE...AND YOU LOSE EVERYTHING. IF YOU HAVE HARD COPY OR A SHARE WITH SOMEONE ELSE OR THREE...MAYBE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET IT ALL BACK. THE WORLD TODAY IS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR INFORMATION. DO A CHAPTER FOR YOUR BOOK. TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU DID AND THE PROBLEMS YOU OVERCAME.
Thanks for the reminder. Saving everything on a seperate hard drive is important. It's better to be safe than sorry!
I went to a group, ok have moved , tatting books I put in storage, waiting masons on , stuff .. can't do both at a same time uh-huh I believe in later...
I also would like to have a good reason to make tatted lace, I don't sew at all hehe
Bit of my motivation has been to have a wedding gown fully made and designed by me & my mom, and either look like a goth vampire or an elegant lolita 😅
That would be a huge but really cool project! Will you make the lace for it?
Greetings Nany
@@taixtile I hope so, with the white lace to dyed into black ☺️🖤
I've been working on tatting a lace cloak for months, and While I'd love to make it floor length, I've also been very tempted to make it long enough to wear like a penoir over top of one of my lolita dresses. If you tat an OP or JSK, please and I mean PLEASE tell me. I will share it with everyone I know, it's a huge undertaking!!!!
@@gracemakeslace That sounds so pretty, did you share your progress on SM? 😍 I'm a serious beginner, I attempted a simple lace tutorial once & got overwhelmed 😅 but I'm going to give it one more try.
I haven't had the chance to become involved at Lolita fashion, but if there's a dress that would be tailored for me I'd really want to try a Lolita one 🥹
@@amozinshade484 sometimes I'll post updates. I'm only really on here and IG, however(same handle).
And oh! I know Angelic Pretty got into MTO for custom measurements a while ago. I haven't been following releases since I acquired my dream dress, now to just fit in it. I used to be able to fit it before I scored it, so I'm hoping as I lose weight I'll be able to wear it.
You should look into seeing if you have a local-ish comm. From my experience it's some of the best fun you'll have wearing the fashion.
Mm my Great Auntie and Great Great Auntie 💕😊
Shuttle tatting three sizes please.