not gonna lie ive never had a engine with the stock head on a bike or kart, so seeing this kinda difference makes me glad i spent the time and money on these heads and also porting and polishing them. things got my predator 224s running 16:1 compression
@@MR_IC 14cc head milled down a few thou as it wasnt even perfectly flat, zero deck flat top, and a .010" head gasket gets compresion to 15.99:1 but its just easier to say 16:1 as you wont notice that .01 difference
Do you have an aftermarket cam in your engine? I have a 224 with a F276 cam, billet rod, flat top piston, thinner head gasket, and an old gx160 head. I was thinking about porting the gx160 head and putting it on the 22, but I was worried about valve to piston clearance especially if the head is warped and needs to be milled.
I love those 14cc heads! Did you reuse that thin head gasket? Also does it still have the 40 tooth rear sprocket? If so, maybe try a 42 tooth rear sprocket?
I run marvel mystery oil in all my vehicles because they're mostly classics and my small engines I would love to see you do a comparison on speed just show it doesn't make a difference in performance and put it in some of your mini bikes and in a year's time show the results of how the rubber and everything held up😊
@@Black66so then it should have a taller deck height? I’d think it should because otherwise the piston would pop out the bore by quite a bit. Kind of like the gx200 and the gx160 where the 200 had a taller deck in order to be able to accommodate the longer stroke. I’m only asking because I don’t have a 224 on hand.
Can you please do an easy full suspension project for the RB200 I've seen go power sports kit they have for it. which is way to expensive right now since it just came out. And there are plenty of RB200 Coleman owners who are starting to convert to full suspension. I'm hearing it rides and feels more like the real deal holy field and makes the bike change in looks the appearance ride and quality of the change is much needed. it automatically puts you on the road with Honda groms.
dont you get premature combustion with those? it should get around 15:1 ratio and idk if pump gas is enough, you should test it while its hot and see if it starts knocking
Black 66 so if I have 224 predator that just have a governor removed header pipe and carburetor is it safe to put 18 lb valve springs in it 🫣👀🤔 just wanna be safe
You can go up to 26lb before you need chromoly valves etc. I run 26lb springs w 1.3 stamped ratio rockers with stainless ( stock ) valves Fire 265 cam , billet rod, 38$ aluminum flywheel 10k rpm 28 mm carb I can hit 60 and still got some throttle. Just not gonna push it too hard, I’m not rich so replacing engine/or parts is hard on my wallet. One thing to always remember is … you want to match the size of your valve, intake and carb to maximize your throttle capacity So if the intake valve is 28 mm you want 28mm ID intake tube/pipe, and 28mm carb Do Exhaust the same way! Also Install a racing plug I shave my head down so a standard plug will hit my piston! That tells me I’ve shaved enough ! Compression goes way up! Throttle response is great when all this is done right. I’m pushing 11 hp out of a 200cc Tilly Less than 600$ including the engine cost! Cheapest way to go to have an engine that may scare you! 0-30 less than 4 sec Top speed around 64 I’ve hit 54mph in 4.7 seconds w racing clutch and I weight 180lb Hope this info helps I wished someone would have told me all this I had to learn all this hard way ,what works and what doesn’t! If you apply what I’ve told you, I promise you , you’ll be more than happy. Good luck! My only problem is stopping quick I’ve gotta install hydraulic brakes next lol ❤
Just removed my governor, but when i start bike it starts with an open throttle. Any suggestions, i was thinking a new throttle set up, and a new tuned carb. But idk?
Great video! Also do you happen to know what cam for under $70 would be good for my build? Tryna aim for more top speed. I got a 212 hemi 22 pound springs, fix removed, mikuni carb, exhaust pipe, billet rod cast wheel, I’m thinking of getting a hot 265, would that help gain torque and top speed? Or at least just top speed ? Thanks!!
@@T3NNESSEE really don’t got much rn and tryna get a helmet to, I’m happy where I’m at but getting a cam as the last touch is all I really want, not tryna spend to much tho. I’ll look into them but I’ll prob just still with the 365 for now, someone recommended me a mongoose 272 cam, do you happen to know how the 2 cams differentiate? Appreciate it alot man ! !
I have both the hot 265 and the fire 265 the fire cam has a lot more duration than the hot cam..its like 99 dollars but it's a big difference in power and speed. The fire cam has the same lift as the hot but the valve stays open longer creating a much bigger powerband
@@16driver16 265 isn't isn't a lot of lift...paired with atleast 26 lb springs, titanium or chromoly pushrods, and stainless steel valves will definitely hold up to the power
Love it man been watching for awhile now barely getting into the mini bike scene I to also live in Arizona I stay in Mesa hopefully we will run into each other one day at a event or something if have extra used parts or upgrades from stock you no longer want or need I’ll buy them
Hello Sir, I was thinking about a little rascal or a rascal but then I saw the B200's and it seems to me for the money you can't beat the B200's. What is your take between the 2? Thank you.
I think Its personal preference and what you want to do with the bike. I like both bikes. The Rascal is a great platform because you can set it up for many different riding styles, Cruising, drag racing or somewhere in between and its light weight. The B200 is also a great bike with many options like the RSV with full suspension.
I put a 196cc head on a 212cc but the valve lash is broken somehow the nuts are backed all the way off the bolts and it runs just fine but the nuts keep coming off inside the engine? Help someone please i know what im doing but this has got to be wrong
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not gonna lie ive never had a engine with the stock head on a bike or kart, so seeing this kinda difference makes me glad i spent the time and money on these heads and also porting and polishing them. things got my predator 224s running 16:1 compression
How in the world did you get it to 16:1?
@@MR_IC 14cc head milled down a few thou as it wasnt even perfectly flat, zero deck flat top, and a .010" head gasket gets compresion to 15.99:1 but its just easier to say 16:1 as you wont notice that .01 difference
@@josue5852 Can you post a video of it running? I wanna hear what it sounds like.
Do you have an aftermarket cam in your engine? I have a 224 with a F276 cam, billet rod, flat top piston, thinner head gasket, and an old gx160 head. I was thinking about porting the gx160 head and putting it on the 22, but I was worried about valve to piston clearance especially if the head is warped and needs to be milled.
@@MR_IC i could post a video of it running as a youtube short if that's what you mean
Dang almost 60 mph's on a cheap modded 196 💪🏼💯🔥🔥🔥🔥that's fire
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks I found the content it was very helpful. Thank you I can always depend on your channel for bike work
Excellent video. The valve cover bracket looks stock.
Thanks!
Pretty much exactly how I build my 196s. There's some power to be made there for a very reasonable price
I gotta learn how to build my bike like black you a mini bike expert bro
Great video.
You reuse the head gasket?
Might pull a little taller gear now
I love those 14cc heads! Did you reuse that thin head gasket? Also does it still have the 40 tooth rear sprocket? If so, maybe try a 42 tooth rear sprocket?
Yes, reused the head gasket. It does have the 40 tooth.
@@Black66 thats cool, i didnt know you can reuse those? I have a pile of used ones👍
I run marvel mystery oil in all my vehicles because they're mostly classics and my small engines I would love to see you do a comparison on speed just show it doesn't make a difference in performance and put it in some of your mini bikes and in a year's time show the results of how the rubber and everything held up😊
Quick question, So I know that the predator 224 and 212 are both 70mm bores but, does the 224 have a taller deck or are they the same deck height?
The 224 has a longer stroke ,a 58MM stroke VS a 55 MM stroke of the 212
@@Black66so then it should have a taller deck height? I’d think it should because otherwise the piston would pop out the bore by quite a bit. Kind of like the gx200 and the gx160 where the 200 had a taller deck in order to be able to accommodate the longer stroke. I’m only asking because I don’t have a 224 on hand.
I have seen the Kie trucks everywhere lately. Any chnace you will convert one of them?
That would be fun to do something like that.
Can you please do an easy full suspension project for the RB200 I've seen go power sports kit they have for it. which is way to expensive right now since it just came out. And there are plenty of RB200 Coleman owners who are starting to convert to full suspension. I'm hearing it rides and feels more like the real deal holy field and makes the bike change in looks the appearance ride and quality of the change is much needed. it automatically puts you on the road with Honda groms.
Here is the swing arm kit video for the RB200/MM212. Check out the other videos in the mega moto playlist. th-cam.com/video/v8gpqLBGRmo/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video brotha, was wondering if I could put a 212 cylinder head on my b200 @black66
dont you get premature combustion with those? it should get around 15:1 ratio and idk if pump gas is enough, you should test it while its hot and see if it starts knocking
I have many videos on the channel with the 14cc head.
Black 66 so if I have 224 predator that just have a governor removed header pipe and carburetor is it safe to put 18 lb valve springs in it 🫣👀🤔 just wanna be safe
You can go up to 26lb before you need chromoly valves etc.
I run 26lb springs w 1.3 stamped ratio rockers with stainless ( stock ) valves
Fire 265 cam , billet rod, 38$ aluminum flywheel 10k rpm
28 mm carb
I can hit 60 and still got some throttle. Just not gonna push it too hard, I’m not rich so replacing engine/or parts is hard on my wallet.
One thing to always remember is … you want to match the size of your valve, intake and carb to maximize your throttle capacity
So if the intake valve is 28 mm you want 28mm ID intake tube/pipe, and 28mm carb
Do Exhaust the same way!
Also Install a racing plug
I shave my head down so a standard plug will hit my piston! That tells me I’ve shaved enough ! Compression goes way up! Throttle response is great when all this is done right.
I’m pushing 11 hp out of a 200cc Tilly
Less than 600$ including the engine cost!
Cheapest way to go to have an engine that may scare you!
0-30 less than 4 sec
Top speed around 64
I’ve hit 54mph in 4.7 seconds w racing clutch and I weight 180lb
Hope this info helps
I wished someone would have told me all this I had to learn all this hard way ,what works and what doesn’t!
If you apply what I’ve told you, I promise you , you’ll be more than happy.
Good luck!
My only problem is stopping quick I’ve gotta install hydraulic brakes next lol ❤
@@kylesyx8432 so I'll will be ok if I it
Ive used those heads and they make a lill more power, but if you can get a cheap shred head from GPS man that thing is double the power!
Just removed my governor, but when i start bike it starts with an open throttle. Any suggestions, i was thinking a new throttle set up, and a new tuned carb. But idk?
Great video! Also do you happen to know what cam for under $70 would be good for my build? Tryna aim for more top speed. I got a 212 hemi 22 pound springs, fix removed, mikuni carb, exhaust pipe, billet rod cast wheel, I’m thinking of getting a hot 265, would that help gain torque and top speed? Or at least just top speed ? Thanks!!
If i were you id get a mod1 or a 308 but they are 30 dollars more, id say they are worth the money tho
@@T3NNESSEE really don’t got much rn and tryna get a helmet to, I’m happy where I’m at but getting a cam as the last touch is all I really want, not tryna spend to much tho. I’ll look into them but I’ll prob just still with the 365 for now, someone recommended me a mongoose 272 cam, do you happen to know how the 2 cams differentiate? Appreciate it alot man ! !
I have both the hot 265 and the fire 265 the fire cam has a lot more duration than the hot cam..its like 99 dollars but it's a big difference in power and speed. The fire cam has the same lift as the hot but the valve stays open longer creating a much bigger powerband
You have done all that and want more power? Your valves will just become your next bottleneck
@@16driver16 265 isn't isn't a lot of lift...paired with atleast 26 lb springs, titanium or chromoly pushrods, and stainless steel valves will definitely hold up to the power
Hey boss i’m located in Bullhead city and I’m trying to remove my governor from my B200R do you provide a service?
Would an 8 HP engine fit in this bike?
b200r how much does it run do you know
can you do this with a stock 196cc?
What app are you using to get your zero to 30?
He is using a Dragy stand alone gps, not an app.
Where are you finding a 26$ head on Amazon?
Link in the description of the video.
If you are Canadian there's a chance you won't find it 😢😅this country sucks for getting the same parts or deals
I have a ct200u and did the internal governor removal and it only does 30 why is it so slow
Follow along on the B200 or the CT200U playlist for more speed options. th-cam.com/video/jjtfBiuCFOM/w-d-xo.html
Love it man been watching for awhile now barely getting into the mini bike scene I to also live in Arizona I stay in Mesa hopefully we will run into each other one day at a event or something if have extra used parts or upgrades from stock you no longer want or need I’ll buy them
Lol within two hours the price has going up to $40 got to live Amazon.
Hello Sir, I was thinking about a little rascal or a rascal but then I saw the B200's and it seems to me for the money you can't beat the B200's. What is your take between the 2?
Thank you.
I think Its personal preference and what you want to do with the bike. I like both bikes. The Rascal is a great platform because you can set it up for many different riding styles, Cruising, drag racing or somewhere in between and its light weight. The B200 is also a great bike with many options like the RSV with full suspension.
I put a 196cc head on a 212cc but the valve lash is broken somehow the nuts are backed all the way off the bolts and it runs just fine but the nuts keep coming off inside the engine? Help someone please i know what im doing but this has got to be wrong
You not needing to change lifters?
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